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They started and lost 2 wickets.India should start slogging. Not much time for this test left, no matter how bad the opposition bats. It's going to rain tomorrow and the day after.
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They started and lost 2 wickets.India should start slogging. Not much time for this test left, no matter how bad the opposition bats. It's going to rain tomorrow and the day after.
India should start slogging. Not much time for this test left, no matter how bad the opposition bats. It's going to rain tomorrow and the day after.
They started and lost 2 wickets.
South Africa should have picked van der Dussen. He has nerves of steel and would have found a way to handle these conditions. Extremely underrated player.
ICC should abolish the concept of tosses. I want to see how India bats 2nd in these conditions. South Africa should have been allowed to choose what they want to do. It's so unfair for touring teams, especially in these conditions.
Pitch misbehaving now. Sunny was spot on. He said it would break up on day 2 and it has.
Toss matters a lot in the subcontinent - specially for away teams if they lose the toss its almost over for them.
Toss matters a lot in the subcontinent - specially for away teams if they lose the toss its almost over for them.
This is where India misses Pant. He would have come out all guns blazing and saved a lot of time.
Had Pant scored 21 off 16 here like Saha did today, fans would have gone gaga over his selfless inning.![]()
Not true in India. Australia won 4 out of 4 tosses in 2013 and lost all. England won 4 out of 5 tosses in 2016 and lost 0-4. It matters in UAE and SL though in that foreign teams can force wins if they bat first.
Actually toss doesn't matter much in India as in England, SA, UAE.
In recent past we have won many matches after losing the toss.
Yes as I said in my other posts home team can still manage but away team they really do need to bat first to have a chance so its matters a lot including in India. Indian cricket is not just last 3/4 years most of the time away teams have only won when batting first such as England previously.
Toss matters not only in SC but also away. India lost 5 out of 5 tosses in England. So long as you recognise how important it was in us losing 4-1 it's alright.
Yes as I said in my other posts home team can still manage but away team they really do need to bat first to have a chance so its matters a lot including in India. Indian cricket is not just last 3/4 years most of the time away teams have only won when batting first such as England previously.
ICC should abolish the concept of tosses. I want to see how India bats 2nd in these conditions. South Africa should have been allowed to choose what they want to do. It's so unfair for touring teams, especially in these conditions.
In India toss matters in certain places. But not everywhere. I remember Srilanka batted first and made 396. Sehwag wiped off deficit in a matter of 2 sessions lol. Most of the time first innings is good for both teams. You should bat big in your first innings regardless of whether you bat first or second.
yea if England did what you proposed then india would have whooped them 5 0 in that series. Toss has to stay. if you are a great team you will find a way to overcome toss.
I have already said home team can still manage - like in the example you gave.
Away conditions its not always true sometime it can be a good toss to lose. Sometime you cant decide either way. And there are other factors (only in England) overhead conditions during the course of the match so you wont know if it was a good toss to win or not until the match ends.
In Australia Batting first is an advantage most of the time so yes toss will matter but not to same extent as in Asia where the pitch has to start good and then deteriorates.
They pasted us 4-1. They literally ripped away Kohli's manhood. Take it on your chin and move on before making tall claims.
India is just too strong in home. We have the best spinners and overall the best batting unit against spin.
Plus, there aren't many worldclass spinners around.
Facts don't agree with your fiction unfortunately. Toss is crucial everywhere. Good teams can win away after winning he toss and beat teams at home regardless of who wins toss.
Which Fact? The ones you made in your sleep?
Mayank was struggling in West Indies. But back to India and he scores a double ton.
I feel for people who get dropped after away tours. A new guy replaces them and starts scoring heavily on home cooked grounds. The guy who got dropped after away tours will be kicking himself![]()
The fact that toss matters everywhere.Just because could not win in Australia and SA despite winning tosses does not mean other teams can't.
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Mayank was struggling in West Indies. But back to India and he scores a double ton.
I feel for people who get dropped after away tours. A new guy replaces them and starts scoring heavily on home cooked grounds. The guy who got dropped after away tours will be kicking himself![]()
Yeah. India win at home regardless of toss and its been that way for 6.5 years. Pune test being the sole exception. Dont think people realise how unique that is in modern era.
So who said they dont matter? Are you having a bad day? point is it matters more in the subcontinent. And I dont know which team you are talking about there might be few team who may not be able to win at home despite winning the toss does not mean toss was not important
So who said they dont matter? Are you having a bad day? point is it matters more in the subcontinent. And I dont know which team you are talking about there might be few team who may not be able to win at home despite winning the toss does not mean toss was not important
Teams at home when they win the toss(last 10 years)
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Teams at home when they lose the toss
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This suggests that in India at least, the toss affects the result less than in NZ and Aus for example
Not so confident brother. Ashwin does not get the revs on the ball that he used to. I thought you of all people would have observed that . Jadeja was getting smashed by WI tailenders last series.
These are also signs of some strange pitches!
Teams at home when they win the toss(last 10 years)
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Teams at home when they lose the toss
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This suggests that in India at least, the toss affects the result less than in NZ and Aus for example
I was talking about Pakistan losing despite winning tosses abroad. Just because that's true for teams like PAK and SL, doesn't mean it's true for India. It doesn't matter more in the SC. Just because Faf or some other captain said it matters? What a joke. If a team has been winning in home conditions regardless of toss for the last 6 years then yes toss doesn't matter. No need to bracket India with the rest of the SC![]()
This actually suggests we are slightly better when we lose the toss at home. Won't fit in with brother [MENTION=142176]Pakhs[/MENTION] desperate narrative![]()
What you on about? Its been mentioned million times here that India has been too good at home for most sides regardless of the toss. Why are you guys so insecure? I didnt mention India or SA in any of my post all I said in subcontinent toss matter due to a simple nature of pitches starting flat and deteriorating day by day and you would rather bat first. Now if India can win by even forfeiting one of their innings and scoring all the runs required in only one innings on 5th day that will mean they are too good for the opposition but wont change the fact that toss is important if not for India (as they are too good) then for other team.
Now if you want to talk about this series then nothing to say here this SA side is no way near good enough to win away. This tour has come in the worst possible time for them just when there top players retired.
KL Rahul played 36 test matches and Dhawan played 34. That is still more than the combined number of matches both Rohit and Mayank played. KL Rahul should be nowhere near this Indian test team.![]()
What you on about? Its been mentioned million times here that India has been too good at home for most sides regardless of the toss. Why are you guys so insecure? I didnt mention India or SA in any of my post all I said in subcontinent toss matter due to a simple nature of pitches starting flat and deteriorating day by day and you would rather bat first. Now if India can win by even forfeiting one of their innings and scoring all the runs required in only one innings on 5th day that will mean they are too good for the opposition but wont change the fact that toss is important if not for India (as they are too good) then for other team.
Now if you want to talk about this series then nothing to say here this SA side is no way near good enough to win away. This tour has come in the worst possible time for them just when there top players retired.
They pasted us 4-1. They literally ripped away Kohli's manhood. Take it on your chin and move on before making tall claims.
South Africa will possibly get bowled out for less than 250.
I expect a massive defeat for them. This Test has become a farce.
Mayank was struggling in West Indies. But back to India and he scores a double ton.
I feel for people who get dropped after away tours. A new guy replaces them and starts scoring heavily on home cooked grounds. The guy who got dropped after away tours will be kicking himself![]()
englsnd won the toss in 4 of the matches. india would have decimated them had they won the toss. Either way they are going to get pasted in india when they tour. Kohli's manhood rofl? yea that's why he scored several hundreds in that series.
If it weren't for the stupid tosses which india lost then india would have brown washed them in their own country.
India will rip them to shred in india even if they lose the toss. That's the difference hence why india is number 1.
So you are saying that on spinning tracks in india, opposition should get to choose whether to bat or bowl yet the same does apply on swing seam conditions rofl when india tours England?
I know you are playing a character but please stop.
englsnd won the toss in 4 of the matches. india would have decimated them had they won the toss. Either way they are going to get pasted in india when they tour. Kohli's manhood rofl? yea that's why he scored several hundreds in that series.
If it weren't for the stupid tosses which india lost then india would have brown washed them in their own country.
India will rip them to shred in india even if they lose the toss. That's the difference hence why india is number 1.
So you are saying that on spinning tracks in india, opposition should get to choose whether to bat or bowl yet the same does apply on swing seam conditions rofl when india tours England?
I know you are playing a character but please stop.
Ashwin is oversmart and has a 'Khujli' of showing off and trying to many things on pitches that just require you to pitch the ball on the right spots. There is a reason why he repeatedly gets outbowled on away tours by bowlers not half as good as him skill-wise and that did cost us at least two matches last away season.
I sincerely hope he is aware of that as he is a wonderful bowler and a genuine match winner and I hate to see him underachieve overseas.
Too many ifs and buts. India would have, could have, should have. You’re speaking as if Indian batsmen would have spanked Anderson and Broad in even tougher first day conditions whereas they couldn’t handle them in the easiest period of the test match. Why not admit our teams deficiencies and move on? We all know toss is more important in sub continent conditions than in England where teams can comeback. Don’t be so naive in your arguments.
So stats in last decade say toss doesn't matter in india as much as in Nz or England but why believe actual reality when you can make your own.
The only 2 good teams that toured India in the last ten years were England, 2012 and Australia, 2016. The rest were all below par teams. Interestingly those are the only tours which produced good matches and India lost one comprehensively and almost lost another and got saved because they won two tosses to Australia’s one.
Some stick from opposition and all the band wagoners have disappeared from the thread. On boy overseas tours of India must be fun. This forum may not have many Indian visitors then![]()
Funny how you have changed tune, wasn't it a square turner according to you just yesterday when they were losing wickiets.
So stats in last decade say toss doesn't matter in india as much as in Nz or England but why believe actual reality when you can make your own.
Too many ifs and buts. India would have, could have, should have. You’re speaking as if Indian batsmen would have spanked Anderson and Broad in even tougher first day conditions whereas they couldn’t handle them in the easiest period of the test match. Why not admit our teams deficiencies and move on? We all know toss is more important in sub continent conditions than in England where teams can comeback. Don’t be so naive in your arguments.
Somehow Ashwin’s supposed oversmartness still buys him wickets in India but he can’t do zilch when he tours abroad. That makes me think if that is not oversmartness but rather his lack of skills and inability to adapt to different surfaces. Go lookup his county records recently. The guy can’t pick up a single wicket abroad even at club level. Of course, he is tailor made for Indian conditions where even Elgar can seem like the second coming of Warne.