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India [502/7d, 323/4d] defeat South Africa [431, 191] by 203 runs to win 1st Test
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They have started slogging. 500 seems to be the target.
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Better lose wickets than keep wasting balls. Current score is more than good enough if India hopes to win this match.
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This is where India misses Pant. He would have come out all guns blazing and saved a lot of time.
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IND 450/5 (124.0) CRR: 3.63
Day 2: Tea Break - India opt to bat
Day 2: Tea Break - India opt to bat
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Pitch misbehaving now. Sunny was spot on. He said it would break up on day 2 and it has.
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Early swing for Ishant. Shami could be handful here.
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RSA 20/1 (9.0) CRR: 2.22
Day 2: 3rd Session - South Africa trail by 482 runs
in trouble already - Ashwin taking Markram
RSA 20/1 (9.0) CRR: 2.22
Day 2: 3rd Session - South Africa trail by 482 runs
in trouble already - Ashwin taking Markram
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South Africa should have picked van der Dussen. He has nerves of steel and would have found a way to handle these conditions. Extremely underrated player.
Ashwin the HTB is too good at home due to the pitches don't think he would have done anything here.
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ICC should abolish the concept of tosses. I want to see how India bats 2nd in these conditions. South Africa should have been allowed to choose what they want to do. It's so unfair for touring teams, especially in these conditions.
This wicket is actually fine it didnt start as a dust bowl. but will turn into one from tomorrow. in subcontinent toss matters a lot.
Toss matters a lot in the subcontinent - specially for away teams if they lose the toss its almost over for them.
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Not true in India. Australia won 4 out of 4 tosses in 2013 and lost all. England won 4 out of 5 tosses in 2016 and lost 0-4. It matters in UAE and SL though in that foreign teams can force wins if they bat first.
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Actually toss doesn't matter much in India as in England, SA, UAE.
In recent past we have won many matches after losing the toss.
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Jadejas bowling looking very innocuous . Very flat.
Edit : Lol. Gets piedt out just as I said that.
Edit : Lol. Gets piedt out just as I said that.
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Had Pant scored 21 off 16 here like Saha did today, fans would have gone gaga over his selfless inning.
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Had Pant scored 21 off 16 here like Saha did today, fans would have gone gaga over his selfless inning.
If you listen to fans of Pant, they will make you believe that he is the second coming of Adam Gilchrist
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RSA 39/3 (20.0) CRR: 1.95
Day 2: Stumps - South Africa trail by 463 runs
RSA 39/3 (20.0) CRR: 1.95
Day 2: Stumps - South Africa trail by 463 runs
Yes as I said in my other posts home team can still manage but away team they really do need to bat first to have a chance so its matters a lot including in India. Indian cricket is not just last 3/4 years most of the time away teams have only won when batting first such as England previously.
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Panchal, Eswaran, Gill, Shaw they were ready to take over when they came up with this Rohit as opener move. Not sure how long this experiment will last. In India you can mask his inadequacies.
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Toss matters not only in SC but also away. India lost 5 out of 5 tosses in England. So long as you recognise how important it was in us losing 4-1 it's alright.
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AGARWAL AND SPIN DUO TIGHTEN INDIA’S GRIP
Thursday, 03 October 2019
INDIA continued their dominance on day two of the first Test match against the Standard Bank Proteas at Visakhapatnam on Thursday as a double century on debut from Mayank Agarwal set them up for a total in excess of 500 before the spin duo of Ravi Ashwin and Ravendra Jadeja took three South African wickets before the close.
The Proteas closed on 39/3 – one of those wickets being that of night watchman Dane Piedt – to face a deficit of 463 runs going into day three after India had declared on 502/7.
Much of the continuation of the Indian innings on day two was a copy of day one when the seamers, Kagiso Rabada and Vernon Philander, kept good control before the spinners leaked a lot of runs.
In total, India scored 300 runs on the day for the loss of 7 wickets but the key statistic was the fact that the run rate for the innings was closer to 4 than 3 to the over.
Rohit Sharma (176 off 244 balls, 23 fours and 6 sixes) and Agarwal (215, 371 balls, also 23 fours and 6 sixes) made their partnership worth 317, the third highest opening partnership in India Test history, before Sharma became the first of Keshav Maharaj’s three wickets. It was 99 runs more than India’s previous highest opening partnership against South Africa.
Jadeja’s 30 not out was the next best contribution to the Indian total but by then the damage had been done while Maharaj had the best bowling return of 3/189 from a mammoth 55 overs.
Senuran Muthusamy had the satisfaction of claiming Virat Kohli as his maiden Test wicket, a return catch off the leading edge.
The declaration left the Proteas with a tricky 20 overs to face before the close with Aiden Markram, who was bowled by a beauty through the gate, and Theunis de Bruyn, caught behind off the inside edge, both falling to Ashwin who had figures of 2/9 from 8 overs in his first Test match of the year.
Jadeja then accounted for Piedt and the situation would have been worse had Temba Bavuma not survived a sharp chance to short leg early in his innings.
He and Elgar (27 not out, 63 balls, 2 fours and a six) will resume South Africa’s uphill battle tomorrow. Significantly, Elgar was the most positive of the batsmen which will be the way to go on a pitch that is still good for batting although there is some turn and variable bounce to assist the bowlers.
Thursday, 03 October 2019
INDIA continued their dominance on day two of the first Test match against the Standard Bank Proteas at Visakhapatnam on Thursday as a double century on debut from Mayank Agarwal set them up for a total in excess of 500 before the spin duo of Ravi Ashwin and Ravendra Jadeja took three South African wickets before the close.
The Proteas closed on 39/3 – one of those wickets being that of night watchman Dane Piedt – to face a deficit of 463 runs going into day three after India had declared on 502/7.
Much of the continuation of the Indian innings on day two was a copy of day one when the seamers, Kagiso Rabada and Vernon Philander, kept good control before the spinners leaked a lot of runs.
In total, India scored 300 runs on the day for the loss of 7 wickets but the key statistic was the fact that the run rate for the innings was closer to 4 than 3 to the over.
Rohit Sharma (176 off 244 balls, 23 fours and 6 sixes) and Agarwal (215, 371 balls, also 23 fours and 6 sixes) made their partnership worth 317, the third highest opening partnership in India Test history, before Sharma became the first of Keshav Maharaj’s three wickets. It was 99 runs more than India’s previous highest opening partnership against South Africa.
Jadeja’s 30 not out was the next best contribution to the Indian total but by then the damage had been done while Maharaj had the best bowling return of 3/189 from a mammoth 55 overs.
Senuran Muthusamy had the satisfaction of claiming Virat Kohli as his maiden Test wicket, a return catch off the leading edge.
The declaration left the Proteas with a tricky 20 overs to face before the close with Aiden Markram, who was bowled by a beauty through the gate, and Theunis de Bruyn, caught behind off the inside edge, both falling to Ashwin who had figures of 2/9 from 8 overs in his first Test match of the year.
Jadeja then accounted for Piedt and the situation would have been worse had Temba Bavuma not survived a sharp chance to short leg early in his innings.
He and Elgar (27 not out, 63 balls, 2 fours and a six) will resume South Africa’s uphill battle tomorrow. Significantly, Elgar was the most positive of the batsmen which will be the way to go on a pitch that is still good for batting although there is some turn and variable bounce to assist the bowlers.
Away conditions its not always true sometime it can be a good toss to lose. Sometime you cant decide either way. And there are other factors (only in England) overhead conditions during the course of the match so you wont know if it was a good toss to win or not until the match ends.
In Australia Batting first is an advantage most of the time so yes toss will matter but not to same extent as in Asia where the pitch has to start good and then deteriorates.
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In India toss matters in certain places. But not everywhere. I remember Srilanka batted first and made 396. Sehwag wiped off deficit in a matter of 2 sessions lol. Most of the time first innings is good for both teams. You should bat big in your first innings regardless of whether you bat first or second.
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yea if England did what you proposed then india would have whooped them 5 0 in that series. Toss has to stay. if you are a great team you will find a way to overcome toss.
I have already said home team can still manage - like in the example you gave.
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They pasted us 4-1. They literally ripped away Kohli's manhood. Take it on your chin and move on before making tall claims.
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India is just too strong in home. We have the best spinners and overall the best batting unit against spin.
Plus, there aren't many worldclass spinners around.
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Facts don't agree with your fiction unfortunately. Toss is crucial everywhere. Good teams can win away after winning he toss and beat teams at home regardless of who wins toss.
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South Africa will possibly get bowled out for less than 250.
I expect a massive defeat for them. This Test has become a farce.
I expect a massive defeat for them. This Test has become a farce.
You are right - However i am not commenting on that at all. I know very well India can beat this week SA team either way. I was just commenting on the importance of toss in Subcontinent.
Which Fact? The ones you made in your sleep?
Mayank was struggling in West Indies. But back to India and he scores a double ton.
I feel for people who get dropped after away tours. A new guy replaces them and starts scoring heavily on home cooked grounds. The guy who got dropped after away tours will be kicking himself
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After a wicketless opening day, South Africa finally found fruit for their toil, nipping out seven Indian wickets, but not before Rohit Sharma had made another of his daddy hundreds, Mayank Agarwal had raised his first Test century – and converted it into a double – and India had racked up 502/7 and declared.
Given 20 overs to bat, South Africa’s worst fears then came true, as India’s spin duo of R Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja struck thrice to leave them facing an uphill battle for the rest of the Test.
By stumps, South Africa had slid to 39/3, still trailing by 463 runs, with Temba Bavuma having been given a life, after Hanuma Vihari put down a sharp reflex catch at forward short leg off Jadeja. He ended the day having moved to a scratchy 2*, and was accompanied by Dean Elgar, who was not out on 27.
Walking out to clear weather, after rain had prematurely ended the opening day’s play after just 59.1 overs, India’s openers marched on with relentless ease. As was the case on the first day, the signs were quick to emerge that South Africa’s bowlers would have no respite, as Rohit tickled Vernon Philander fine for four on the second ball of the morning.
By the time the second new ball became available, 20 overs into the day, Rohit and Agarwal had cracked 14 fours and a six in the session. That’s a boundary once every 8.3 balls. South Africa chose to continue operating with their spinners for the time being, though, and it worked. Two overs after the second new ball became available, left-arm spinner Keshav Maharaj struck at long last. Having been carted for a six and a four through the long-off region off consecutive balls, Maharaj dared to loop one up to Rohit, who this time was beaten by the turn and flight to be stumped one short of his best Test score.
That ended India’s opening stand at 317, marking only the third instance of an Indian opening pair putting together 300 or more in a Test innings. Further wickets arrived as India tried to force the pace and push towards a quick declaration, having lost time to rain on the first day.
The second new ball was taken four overs before lunch; on the first ball after the break, Philander castled Pujara with a superb outswinger that nipped away from a middle-stump line and beat the outside edge to peg back his off stump.
Plenty of nervous moments characterised the last hour of play. Markram was the first to succumb, when Ashwin barged through his defences to take out his stumps with just 14 on the board. Theunis de Bruyn was undone by some subtle flight that pulled his backfoot out of the crease, leaving Wriddhiman Saha to pull off a superb stumping, before it emerged that the batsman had also nicked the ball off the inside edge.
Dane Piedt, the nightwatchman, hung around for just four balls before being sent back by a ripper from Jadeja. By stumps, the two unbeaten batsmen had hardly given any more encouraging signs that they could dig in.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1367423
Given 20 overs to bat, South Africa’s worst fears then came true, as India’s spin duo of R Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja struck thrice to leave them facing an uphill battle for the rest of the Test.
By stumps, South Africa had slid to 39/3, still trailing by 463 runs, with Temba Bavuma having been given a life, after Hanuma Vihari put down a sharp reflex catch at forward short leg off Jadeja. He ended the day having moved to a scratchy 2*, and was accompanied by Dean Elgar, who was not out on 27.
Walking out to clear weather, after rain had prematurely ended the opening day’s play after just 59.1 overs, India’s openers marched on with relentless ease. As was the case on the first day, the signs were quick to emerge that South Africa’s bowlers would have no respite, as Rohit tickled Vernon Philander fine for four on the second ball of the morning.
By the time the second new ball became available, 20 overs into the day, Rohit and Agarwal had cracked 14 fours and a six in the session. That’s a boundary once every 8.3 balls. South Africa chose to continue operating with their spinners for the time being, though, and it worked. Two overs after the second new ball became available, left-arm spinner Keshav Maharaj struck at long last. Having been carted for a six and a four through the long-off region off consecutive balls, Maharaj dared to loop one up to Rohit, who this time was beaten by the turn and flight to be stumped one short of his best Test score.
That ended India’s opening stand at 317, marking only the third instance of an Indian opening pair putting together 300 or more in a Test innings. Further wickets arrived as India tried to force the pace and push towards a quick declaration, having lost time to rain on the first day.
The second new ball was taken four overs before lunch; on the first ball after the break, Philander castled Pujara with a superb outswinger that nipped away from a middle-stump line and beat the outside edge to peg back his off stump.
Plenty of nervous moments characterised the last hour of play. Markram was the first to succumb, when Ashwin barged through his defences to take out his stumps with just 14 on the board. Theunis de Bruyn was undone by some subtle flight that pulled his backfoot out of the crease, leaving Wriddhiman Saha to pull off a superb stumping, before it emerged that the batsman had also nicked the ball off the inside edge.
Dane Piedt, the nightwatchman, hung around for just four balls before being sent back by a ripper from Jadeja. By stumps, the two unbeaten batsmen had hardly given any more encouraging signs that they could dig in.
https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1367423
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The fact that toss matters everywhere.
Just because could not win in Australia and SA despite winning tosses does not mean other teams can't. 
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BCCI cheating as usual to change the pitch mid-innings. Sad!
Mayank was struggling in West Indies. But back to India and he scores a double ton.
I feel for people who get dropped after away tours. A new guy replaces them and starts scoring heavily on home cooked grounds. The guy who got dropped after away tours will be kicking himself
Mayank also scored well in australia when given a chance, the guys who were dropped ie KL and Dhawan have been given a long rope and have failed to perform.
The fact that toss matters everywhere.
So who said they dont matter? Are you having a bad day? point is it matters more in the subcontinent. And I dont know which team you are talking about there might be few team who may not be able to win at home despite winning the toss does not mean toss was not important
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Mayank was struggling in West Indies. But back to India and he scores a double ton.
I feel for people who get dropped after away tours. A new guy replaces them and starts scoring heavily on home cooked grounds. The guy who got dropped after away tours will be kicking himself
KL Rahul played 36 test matches and Dhawan played 34. That is still more than the combined number of matches both Rohit and Mayank played. KL Rahul should be nowhere near this Indian test team.
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Of course they realise just don't wanna admit for obvious reasons.
Teams at home when they win the toss(last 10 years)
Teams at home when they lose the toss
This suggests that in India at least, the toss affects the result less than in NZ and Aus for example
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I was talking about Pakistan losing despite winning tosses abroad. Just because that's true for teams like PAK and SL, doesn't mean it's true for India. It doesn't matter more in the SC. Just because Faf or some other captain said it matters? What a joke. If a team has been winning in home conditions regardless of toss for the last 6 years then yes toss doesn't matter. No need to bracket India with the rest of the SC
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This actually suggests we are slightly better when we lose the toss at home. Won't fit in with brother [MENTION=142176]Pakhs[/MENTION] desperate narrative
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Indian team is just too good at home. Current South African team on the other hand is utter rubbish.
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Ashwin is oversmart and has a 'Khujli' of showing off and trying to many things on pitches that just require you to pitch the ball on the right spots. There is a reason why he repeatedly gets outbowled on away tours by bowlers not half as good as him skill-wise and that did cost us at least two matches last away season.
I sincerely hope he is aware of that as he is a wonderful bowler and a genuine match winner and I hate to see him underachieve overseas.
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Pretty sure they on the only ones batting on such 'Strange pitches'. BTW Agarwal proved his mettle in Aus facing one of the best attacks in the world.
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I was talking about Pakistan losing despite winning tosses abroad. Just because that's true for teams like PAK and SL, doesn't mean it's true for India. It doesn't matter more in the SC. Just because Faf or some other captain said it matters? What a joke. If a team has been winning in home conditions regardless of toss for the last 6 years then yes toss doesn't matter. No need to bracket India with the rest of the SC
This actually suggests we are slightly better when we lose the toss at home. Won't fit in with brother [MENTION=142176]Pakhs[/MENTION] desperate narrative
What you on about? Its been mentioned million times here that India has been too good at home for most sides regardless of the toss. Why are you guys so insecure? I didnt mention India or SA in any of my post all I said in subcontinent toss matter due to a simple nature of pitches starting flat and deteriorating day by day and you would rather bat first. Now if India can win by even forfeiting one of their innings and scoring all the runs required in only one innings on 5th day that will mean they are too good for the opposition but wont change the fact that toss is important if not for India (as they are too good) then for other team.
Now if you want to talk about this series then nothing to say here this SA side is no way near good enough to win away. This tour has come in the worst possible time for them just when there top players retired.
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Ok fair enough brother. I still don't agree with the idea that toss is any more important in India than SA or England based on what I've seen but you're entitled to your opinion.
KL Rahul played 36 test matches and Dhawan played 34. That is still more than the combined number of matches both Rohit and Mayank played. KL Rahul should be nowhere near this Indian test team.
Nothing against Mayank. But Rohit will be a dud in away tours. He needs to stick to T20's and ODI's. That is his strength.
Even Gill would have scored big on that pitch. Poor Gill has to wait for his chance a lot longer now.
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Unless neutral teams play against each other in India this theory is far from true.
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englsnd won the toss in 4 of the matches. india would have decimated them had they won the toss. Either way they are going to get pasted in india when they tour. Kohli's manhood rofl? yea that's why he scored several hundreds in that series.
If it weren't for the stupid tosses which india lost then india would have brown washed them in their own country.
India will rip them to shred in india even if they lose the toss. That's the difference hence why india is number 1.
So you are saying that on spinning tracks in india, opposition should get to choose whether to bat or bowl yet the same does apply on swing seam conditions rofl when india tours England?
I know you are playing a character but please stop.
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They are going to get spanked 3 0 again. India will do the same to England and they will beat n.zealand in n.zealand this time because bumrah will be back and he will rip them into shreds. Unlike previous tours india have a world class bowling attack.
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Mayank was struggling in West Indies. But back to India and he scores a double ton.
I feel for people who get dropped after away tours. A new guy replaces them and starts scoring heavily on home cooked grounds. The guy who got dropped after away tours will be kicking himself
uh Mayank scored in australia which dhawan rohit and vijay never can. Well prime vijay could but he is long gone now.
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Correction, India lost all 5 tosses in England last year.
No need to argue with that guy, you are wasting your time.
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Too many ifs and buts. India would have, could have, should have. You’re speaking as if Indian batsmen would have spanked Anderson and Broad in even tougher first day conditions whereas they couldn’t handle them in the easiest period of the test match. Why not admit our teams deficiencies and move on? We all know toss is more important in sub continent conditions than in England where teams can comeback. Don’t be so naive in your arguments.
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Tough for SA to avoid follow on here
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Somehow Ashwin’s supposed oversmartness still buys him wickets in India but he can’t do zilch when he tours abroad. That makes me think if that is not oversmartness but rather his lack of skills and inability to adapt to different surfaces. Go lookup his county records recently. The guy can’t pick up a single wicket abroad even at club level. Of course, he is tailor made for Indian conditions where even Elgar can seem like the second coming of Warne.
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39 runs partnership by these two. There two best players on the field.
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A couple of good-decent players and it feels like Ashwin is already unable to break the stand. Such a one trick pony!
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runs partnership ... long long way to go.So stats in last decade say toss doesn't matter in india as much as in Nz or England but why believe actual reality when you can make your own.
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Some good batting and Ashwin looking toothless as always. So predictable!
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The only 2 good teams that toured India in the last ten years were England, 2012 and Australia, 2016. The rest were all below par teams. Interestingly those are the only tours which produced good matches and India lost one comprehensively and almost lost another and got saved because they won two tosses to Australia’s one.
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wooosh out of no where
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I want South Africa to win toss and win the next two games. At least by then our arrogance and supposed dominance at home will be thoroughly exposed.
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Some stick from opposition and all the band wagoners have disappeared from the thread. On boy overseas tours of India must be fun. This forum may not have many Indian visitors then
So basically I only count those nos that suit my arguments, Aussies lost 4-0 doesn't count, Aussies lost 2-1 absolutely counts, English won 2-1 counts, England lost 4-0 doesn't count. Makes sense.
Some stick from opposition and all the band wagoners have disappeared from the thread. On boy overseas tours of India must be fun. This forum may not have many Indian visitors then
Funny how you have changed tune, wasn't it a square turner according to you just yesterday when they were losing wickiets.
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SA need to bat long long time here to save the game.
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Pitch was flat yesterday but offered something with the new ball. With the ball softened, there’s nothing now as it can be seen. Of course, hapless bowling is not helping either.
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Toss does matter in NZ, OZ, BD, UAE and SL
Toss doesn't matter in India , England, SA and Windies. You can see that in the difference in the W/L ratios of home teams when toss is factored in .
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RSA 153/4 (50.0) CRR: 3.06
Day 3: Lunch Break - South Africa trail by 349 runs
RSA 153/4 (50.0) CRR: 3.06
Day 3: Lunch Break - South Africa trail by 349 runs
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yes they would have. Had india won the toss they would have won each and every game. Kohli hasn't lost a single test match when he has won the toss. go figure. Btw india will spank them 4 0 again when they tour. Toss matters more in englsnd than india. Go check the stats and go check the results.
India won more matches losing the toss in india. Your theory has been subverted. Now go back to being your character.
India spanked Aussies 4 0, should have been 3 -1 in india but rain saved them.
now india won in australia 2-1. lel.
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Back it up with proof.
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Elgar has been brilliant, always rated him highly. Good to see SA showing fight, let us see how long this lasts. Faf very positive, exciting test cricket.
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