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India beat South Africa in 4th ODI by 35 runs

Sandeep said:
What? Why? :)))
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He's an amazing batsman, that's why! Of the 'future four', Kohli has the best attitude/presence on the field/swagger and that's why he's my favourite batsman out of the future four. Williamson is the teacher's pet at school, Smith is too fidgety to be taken seriously, and Root is a joker/comedian type. Only Kohli has that kind of Richards-like aura.
 
Kohli badly cramped. If there was another batsman remaining, he could have tried an almighty heave. But with only 6 batsmen playing, he has to try & stay till last 2-3 overs.
 
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I thought some part of leg should be behind the line..interesting

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[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] your comments on Dhoni's innings?
 
How did india just get 299 after that start. I maintain indian lineup lacks depth
 
Poor from our lineup. We shoulve got 340 atleast. Although I don't think Saffers will chase this down either.
 
Good thing we ran well today. Might have been the heat but i thought saf lacked intensity today in the field. We got lucky quite a bit too else we might have got around 275 if Kohli holed out one of those times. The momentum in the middle overs kind of made up for the predictably flat finish to the innings so it was alright. the current Dhoni and that lower order are never going to score at 12rpo at the death. Think we have enough on the board anyway.
 
battler said:
[MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] your comments on Dhoni's innings?
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What's to say what I haven't said before. ;-)

Would be interesting to see the views of those who STILL think Dhoni can contribute in ODI.

Modern ODI needs striking big and Dhoni doesn't have that now.

Rahane is another case who is going to blow up on our face.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What's to say what I haven't said before. ;-)

Would be interesting to see the views of those who STILL think Dhoni can contribute in ODI.

Modern ODI needs striking big and Dhoni doesn't have that now.

Rahane is another case who is going to blow up on our face.
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I think one of Rahane or Dhoni is needed in the line up. At no. 4. Someone who can build/stabilise. But both in the line up is an over kill.

But yeah, at 5 & 6 we need big hitters. Plus at 7 we need hitters who can bowl 10 overs.

Raina is one of those at 5 or 6. Jadeja, when in form is fit for 7.

But we need to find at least
1. Another bat at 5
2. A back up for 5 & 6, and finally
3. A reserve for Jadeja (medium-pace or spinning all rounder).
 
Sidilicious said:
I think one of Rahane or Dhoni is needed in the line up. At no. 4. Someone who can build/stabilise. But both in the line up is an over kill.

But yeah, at 5 & 6 we need big hitters. Plus at 7 we need hitters who can bowl 10 overs.

Raina is one of those at 5 or 6. Jadeja, when in form is fit for 7.

But we need to find at least
1. Another bat at 5
2. A back up for 5 & 6, and finally
3. A reserve for Jadeja (medium-pace or spinning all rounder).
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At No 5, No 6 and No 7, we need 3 explosive batsmen to neutralize the risk.

Dhoni has to go but he won't go.

Rahane has to only open but he will play at No 4 which is a tricky spot. At 100-2 in 22 overs on a sluggish pitch, Rahane is dead meat. But as opener, he has some hope.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
At No 5, No 6 and No 7, we need 3 explosive batsmen to neutralize the risk.

Dhoni has to go but he won't go.

Rahane has to only open but he will play at No 4 which is a tricky spot. At 100-2 in 22 overs on a sluggish pitch, Rahane is dead meat. But as opener, he has some hope.
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Even if you got Rahane to open, whom would you drop.

Agreed Dhawan hasn't had the best of the series, but he has been a tremendous opener in ODIs in the long run. For the back up option, we are better off trying someone like Mayank Agarwal.

Dhoni might only be able to extend his run for another year or so. After that, we will need to find a replacement at no.4. I believe Rahane has the skills to be able to adapt on those sluggish pitches. Needs to fine tune his ODI game. Even if Rahane is slotted as the reserve opener, we still need to find a no. 4 batsman who can build an innings. Cant think of too many batsman in the domestic scene. Only Samson comes to my mind.

Raina is there to stay at 5/6.

Gurkeerat could be an ideal backup for Jadeja, or even come to his own at no.6, but Dhoni needs to realise the uselessness of Axar :facepalm:
 
Ashwin got injured, but why is Shami not playing? He hasn't been a part of team since the WC.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What's to say what I haven't said before. ;-)

Would be interesting to see the views of those who STILL think Dhoni can contribute in ODI.

Modern ODI needs striking big and Dhoni doesn't have that now.

Rahane is another case who is going to blow up on our face.
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We desperately need guys like Pandey and Hooda in our middle order. Dhoni needs to go.
Not only has his reflexes slown down but he is picking the ball late from the hand of the bowler.
 
Sidilicious said:
Even if you got Rahane to open, whom would you drop.

Agreed Dhawan hasn't had the best of the series, but he has been a tremendous opener in ODIs in the long run. For the back up option, we are better off trying someone like Mayank Agarwal.

Dhoni might only be able to extend his run for another year or so. After that, we will need to find a replacement at no.4. I believe Rahane has the skills to be able to adapt on those sluggish pitches. Needs to fine tune his ODI game. Even if Rahane is slotted as the reserve opener, we still need to find a no. 4 batsman who can build an innings. Cant think of too many batsman in the domestic scene. Only Samson comes to my mind.

Raina is there to stay at 5/6.

Gurkeerat could be an ideal backup for Jadeja, or even come to his own at no.6, but Dhoni needs to realise the uselessness of Axar :facepalm:
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Rahane is a backup opener. That's it. He will replace out of form Dhawan for now.

Rahane does NOT have the game for sluggish pitches. The same pitches he will score 100s in Tests but in ODIs, his strike rotation game isn't good. Will score 12(25), put pressure on himself and get out. This is based on watching him for years.

Dhoni if he was playing in 90s or early 00s could have played for even 2-3 years. But in today's era, your hitting skills get tested every game.

Out of 4 ODIs this series, his hitting skills have failed him in 3. And the one where he clicked, he didn't get everything but still was an amazing knock.

Unless you try players how will you know whether they are good or not.
 
I just wonder how poor the bowling attacks must've been during the WC, for this poor batting lineup to win 7 matches in a row.
 
This Indian attack can't pick wickets. All they need to do is keep it tight and choke will come.
 
Mobashir said:
So someone told you South Africa are going to loose more than one wicket?
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Any Indian bowling attack can make a batting line up look bad, IF the game is played in India. They are heavily dependent on home advantage and often make full use of it, but in this series they seem to struggle and been unlucky, due to choking.
 
de Kock looks like he's got his eye in. Might be able to take South Africa across the line.
 
What do selectors see in Mohit? He is a trundler bowling gun barrel straight. Ideal pace to hit him.

No wonder QDK is back in form.

Poor finish from MSD. India only scored 13 runs in the last 3 overs :facepalm:

MSD will score once in a while and the tail is too long. No fire power. Absolutely none.

If not for Kohli, India would have struggled to score 200 on this pitch.
 
:out Time for an AB special. Ashwin's absence should make things easier for him.
 
Lurker_Ind said:
What do selectors see in Mohit? He is a trundler bowling gun barrel straight. Ideal pace to hit him.
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Why? He wasn't bad at all during the WC. Took more wickets than the likes of Steyn and Faulkner.

Deserves more chances, IMO.
 
Faf should be fined for this reaction. He knew the build up to this match very well, and tried to pressurize umpire. Poor stuff.
 
I think, that the 2nd ODI gave Axar some confidence. He really starts to turn the ball well.
 
aliasad1998 said:
But why did faf do that. Also snicko isnt that reliable. In the ashes it was out on snicko but not on hotspot so umpire gave it not out
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Are you ears reliable? Did you really not hear the nick?

Faf clearly tried to put umpire under pressure since Aleem Dar's withdrawl was in news yesterday. Let's see what match-referee does about this.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Are you ears reliable? Did you really not hear the nick?

Faf clearly tried to put umpire under pressure since Aleem Dar's withdrawl was in news yesterday. Let's see what match-referee does about this.
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Bro i think fafs reaction was over the top tbh and couldve only be caused if it really wasnt out. Tbh i posted that before all the replays and right after the out
 
Even Bhajji is getting huge turn.

Will be interesting to see how much Mishra gets out of the pitch.
 
This is honestly a huge choke by saffers. If devilliers wins them this he his greater than viv richards. Right now i rate hum as the second best odi bat ever
 
Zak_Fan said:
Are you ears reliable? Did you really not hear the nick?

Faf clearly tried to put umpire under pressure since Aleem Dar's withdrawl was in news yesterday. Let's see what match-referee does about this.
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Agree with the Faf decison, but youre interpreting too much about, why Faf reacted so angrily after the wicket fell.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What's to say what I haven't said before. ;-)

Would be interesting to see the views of those who STILL think Dhoni can contribute in ODI.

Modern ODI needs striking big and Dhoni doesn't have that now.

Rahane is another case who is going to blow up on our face.
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Have you seen Rahane today? He deserve to play as an opener. The one who need to be kicked out is Dhawan.
 
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