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India choking in ICC tournaments for the last 10 years

Which one in your opinion is a curse for the Indian team?

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FWIW just an observation. Ind and pak paths are so divergent at icc WCs and events. For ind supporters 90% of the time ind will make it to the sf and then the real WC begins then. For pak supporters their team making it to the sf itself is an event and then 2 hopefully good days. I dont know maybe it's more interesting and fun as a pak supporter as every game is an event and lot of suspense plus you have to follow other results as well. For ind supporters it's almost if being in sf is a formality and not every game becomes crucial or watch worthy.. because if ind doesn't qualify for an icc sf that means they have had a stinker or a shocker of a tournament.
pak team is now where ind was in the early 90s with a bunch of useless cricketers except sachin until dravid ganguly laxman came on board in the late 90s..
 
deltexas said:
FWIW just an observation. Ind and pak paths are so divergent at icc WCs and events. For ind supporters 90% of the time ind will make it to the sf and then the real WC begins then. For pak supporters their team making it to the sf itself is an event and then 2 hopefully good days. I dont know maybe it's more interesting and fun as a pak supporter as every game is an event and lot of suspense plus you have to follow other results as well. For ind supporters it's almost if being in sf is a formality and not every game becomes crucial or watch worthy.. because if ind doesn't qualify for an icc sf that means they have had a stinker or a shocker of a tournament.
pak team is now where ind was in the early 90s with a bunch of useless cricketers except sachin until dravid ganguly laxman came on board in the late 90s..
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Pakistan choke in the league stages, India chokes in the knockouts. Don't think Pakistan will choke like India if they reach finals.
 
India has been choking quite often during the knock out stages. No doubt about it now. They were on a rampage and had been dominating every team by far, but when it mattered the most, they choked.
 
The only trophy that really matters is the ODI World Cup. The Champions Trophy and the T20 World Cup have little relevance.

For example, Australia have two Champions Trophies and a World T20 but the only thing they care about is the 6 World Cups because that is the legacy of Australian cricket.

I would much rather be like India that is consistently in the top 2 rankings in both Tests and ODIs (genuine ranking, not Pakistan style ranking), have won Test series in places like Australia and produced players like Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Ashwin etc.

Would I swap places with Indian cricket in the last 8-9 years even though Pakistan has a “trophy” and India doesn’t? Absolutely.

I couldn’t care less about a Champions Trophy when we play like clowns 90% of the time and can’t beat the top sides.

Yes it would have been a different story if it was an ODI World Cup. If Pakistan had won an ODI World Cup in this period, I wouldn’t swap places with India but when it comes to the proper World Cup, Pakistan has not even made a final in 24 years. That is the true legacy of Pakistan cricket.

To further drive home the point, would you rather be West Indies or South Africa from 2004 to 2016?

The answer is very simple. You would be South Africa, even though West Indies won a Champions Trophy and two T20 World Cups in that period while South Africa didn’t win a trophy.
 
Mamoon said:
The only trophy that really matters is the ODI World Cup. The Champions Trophy and the T20 World Cup have little relevance.

For example, Australia have two Champions Trophies and a World T20 but the only thing they care about is the 6 World Cups because that is the legacy of Australian cricket.

I would much rather be like India that is consistently in the top 2 rankings in both Tests and ODIs (genuine ranking, not Pakistan style ranking), have won Test series in places like Australia and produced players like Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Ashwin etc.

Would I swap places with Indian cricket in the last 8-9 years even though Pakistan has a “trophy” and India doesn’t? Absolutely.

I couldn’t care less about a Champions Trophy when we play like clowns 90% of the time and can’t beat the top sides.

Yes it would have been a different story if it was an ODI World Cup. If Pakistan had won an ODI World Cup in this period, I wouldn’t swap places with India but when it comes to the proper World Cup, Pakistan has not even made a final in 24 years. That is the true legacy of Pakistan cricket.

To further drive home the point, would you rather be West Indies or South Africa from 2004 to 2016?

The answer is very simple. You would be South Africa, even though West Indies won a Champions Trophy and two T20 World Cups in that period while South Africa didn’t win a trophy.
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But stop comparing Pakistan for a second. India are a great team who are arguably the best side over the last 10 years, with the most resources and some of the best players.

Yet they have consistently flopped in the knockout stages while looking unbeatable in the group stages. Therefore they are chokers and mentally weak and their fans should rightlyfully be extremely dissappointed in them.

Any normal fan would give up most of their bilateral wins for a World Cup or champions trophy win.
 
Mamoon said:
The only trophy that really matters is the ODI World Cup. The Champions Trophy and the T20 World Cup have little relevance.

For example, Australia have two Champions Trophies and a World T20 but the only thing they care about is the 6 World Cups because that is the legacy of Australian cricket.

I would much rather be like India that is consistently in the top 2 rankings in both Tests and ODIs (genuine ranking, not Pakistan style ranking), have won Test series in places like Australia and produced players like Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Ashwin etc.

Would I swap places with Indian cricket in the last 8-9 years even though Pakistan has a “trophy” and India doesn’t? Absolutely.

I couldn’t care less about a Champions Trophy when we play like clowns 90% of the time and can’t beat the top sides.

Yes it would have been a different story if it was an ODI World Cup. If Pakistan had won an ODI World Cup in this period, I wouldn’t swap places with India but when it comes to the proper World Cup, Pakistan has not even made a final in 24 years. That is the true legacy of Pakistan cricket.

To further drive home the point, would you rather be West Indies or South Africa from 2004 to 2016?

The answer is very simple. You would be South Africa, even though West Indies won a Champions Trophy and two T20 World Cups in that period while South Africa didn’t win a trophy.
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I take issue with mixing Test and ODI cricket in this discussion. To be clear, I’d much rather be South Africa from 2004 to 2016 in the Test format, although I’d much rather be West Indies in the limited overs format from 2004 to 2016. I think the reason most people don’t give that much credit to the West Indies cricket side during that time period is because those were T20 WC and not ODI’s and that still quite a few fans who watch the sport really closely don’t place any regard on winning T20 titles - particularly during that time. Now that T20 is replacing ODIs, there’s a solid chance that the T20 WC will become the premier format over ODI tournaments, and that’s if we even continue to have ODI WC’s.

I’ve noticed you routinely criticize Hashim Amla but do you not see how your criticism of Hashim Amla is incompatible with the standard that you’re laying out right now for judging teams? Hashim Amla was one of the best openers in the world at the time in ODIs, averaging nearly 50 and a SR of nearly 90, yet he’s not brought up in the conversation with the greats largely because he failed to have the same impact in WC’s. Why do you not have the same logic for teams that dominated in between cups but can never seem to win them?

I see bilateral series in ODI and T20 only as a means to end - a means to prepare a side for upcoming tournaments. Rarely is a team or player remembered for a bilateral series, rather it’s their performances in the most important moments. This Travis Head 100 in the final will be remembered forever and more so than any 100 Hashim Amla scored during those bilateral series.

The same can’t be said about Test cricket because the WTC is an incredibly new event and qualifying for the final is very much dependent on the schedule that you end up having. That’s not to say the WTC is not prestigious, just that bilateral series in Test cricket still mean a lot and are not just a means to an end but rather an end in of themselves. I imagine many Australian and English fans might just pick winning the Ashes over a WTC.

So to sum it up, yes, I would much rather take the 2017 ICC Champion’s Trophy over India’s consistent rankings and performances in the group stages. The 2017 Champion’s Trophy is made much more valuable by the fact that it was the two teams involved in the biggest rivalry in all of sports facing off against each other.

Imagine Ronaldo on Real Madrid and Messi on Barcelona facing off in the final of the Champion’s league. No, it would not be nearly as prestigious or at the level of them facing off in the FIFA WC final for their countries, but it would be absolutely block buster and one of the most valuable trophies simply because of the level of the rivalry. Any fan of either player would trade many other league titles or regular season success just to win that final against each other. People to this day still talk about the 2011 semi final between the two. People still talk about Miandad’s 6 almost 40 years later and that was just the final of a tri-series.

A much more difficult question for me to answer is whether I would trade the 2017 ICC Champion’s Trophy for 2 Test series wins in Australia. I believe that I would say yes, however I doubt most Pakistani cricket fans would say yes because they value LOIs much more than Test cricket.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Pakistan choke in the league stages, India chokes in the knockouts. Don't think Pakistan will choke like India if they reach finals.
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That's sport I guess. Anything can happen in ko games. And that's why aus is so.good. you have to be good to qualify for sf and then good again in ko games. 2 step process. But for the foreseeable future I think aus ind eng will be the finalists for most icc events with aus winning the majority. Cricket needs more teams to be competitive to make for compelling watching
 
CricketCartoons said:
Pakistan choke in the league stages, India chokes in the knockouts. Don't think Pakistan will choke like India if they reach finals.
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Also another reason I believe it's good there is an icc event every year. Adds meaning and context. Qualifying for and being in ko games is always way better to watch than contextless bilaterals and exciting.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Pakistan choke in the league stages, India chokes in the knockouts. Don't think Pakistan will choke like India if they reach finals.
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League matches won't be considered as a choke because pressure comes specially in the knockout stage where teams get choked by not handling the pressure and Indian team is one of them.
 
Expectations can present a problem.

Indian fans expect their team to win every match, they seem to feel it's their right and that can affect players irrespective of how experienced or good they are.

When demands and expectations are that high, things can turn for the worse.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
League matches won't be considered as a choke because pressure comes specially in the knockout stage where teams get choked by not handling the pressure and Indian team is one of them.
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Pakistan are under pressure in the league stages. They believe once they reach semis it would be a matter of just two games. They choke in league stages. But they also choke in knockouts. They chocked in 1996 QF, 1999 Final, 2011 Semi Final, 2015 QF, and rest of the chokes in league stages. Basically every WC after 1992.
 
Same fans who are happy with India's loss would have accused Australia of following the script and bowing to IPL contracts if India had won.

I'm not sure how they work that one out. Pakistan have bent over backwards(more than anyone else)to India in every World Cup match for over 30 years and none of them are ever going to IPL contracts .
 
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Cricket Warrior said:
League matches won't be considered as a choke because pressure comes specially in the knockout stage where teams get choked by not handling the pressure and Indian team is one of them.
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But ind vs pak is always pressure match.so definitely who loses most must be the choker
 
Mohammad Shami on the defeat:

“We didn't have as many runs. Wish we had 300 runs, then we could have easily defended. But I don't think it is right to blame any one particular thing. It is important to look at where we stand as a team. It is important to work as a unit. But I'll say one thing that maybe, we fell short on runs,”
 
Predicted before the World Cup Semis thar Kohli, SKY, Gill, Jadeja, and KL Rahul will freeze in knockout finals, emphasizing the need for skills along with significant big-match temperament.

Reflecting on India's successes in this millennium, it's players like Gambhir, Yuvi, Dhoni, and Dhawan elevated their games when it mattered most.

I advocate for recycling new talent like Ishan Kishan, Pandya, and Pant. Their contributions, coupled with support from teammates, could pave the way for India to clinch ICC trophies in the future.
 
Farabi said:
Predicted before the World Cup Semis thar Kohli, SKY, Gill, Jadeja, and KL Rahul will freeze in knockout finals, emphasizing the need for skills along with significant big-match temperament.

Reflecting on India's successes in this millennium, it's players like Gambhir, Yuvi, Dhoni, and Dhawan elevated their games when it mattered most.

I advocate for recycling new talent like Ishan Kishan, Pandya, and Pant. Their contributions, coupled with support from teammates, could pave the way for India to clinch ICC trophies in the future.
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Can't blame current generation for this short coming of previuos generation. Against SENA teams they get into panic mode in crucial games and falter for no apparent reason. Ever since India lost batsmen who could bowl and bowlers who could bat they have not been winning. 6 (can't bowl) + 1 (average batting) + 4(can't bat/field). This combination will never ever win any tournament even in million years. It is easy to shake this line up. Just take 2 or 3 wickets. Game over. It is a miracle they dominated the world cup with this line up until the final. Any time India won a tournament they had a lot of all rounders in their set up. 1983, 1985, 2011, 2013, 2007.
 
There are the three plausible propositions behind India's decade of failure and ICC Trophy drought.

Proposition #1: It's simply Modi, since his ascension to power in India, the bad time has started for ICT and the series of failure have just proliferated during his reign.

Proposition #2 : Senior players like Rohit, Virat, Yuvi, DK etc all have failed to perform on the knock out stages and consequently the Indian team had struggled on crucial junctures before bowing out of tournaments miserably.

Proposition #3 : Indian Coaches, The fortunes have ICT have dwindled significantly since the change in the policy of BCCI to promote local coaches over foreigners. Ravi Shastri, Anil Kumble and now Rahul Dravid all have failed miserably to take their team beyond the finishing lines in the mega ICC tournaments.

So who in your sight is the real curse (panoti) for team India?
 
If the point one is true, I would take ascension of India under Modi over success of ict on any day.
 
None of the above

1. Flawed LOI strategy of not having enough batting depth until 7/8. Batting stops at 6, forcing conservative batting in middle overs

2. Poor selections or selections in wrong formats .

Eg. SKY in ODIs
Continued selection of oldies in T20's despite superior younger options.

All because BCCI want to still cash on these big brand players as long as they can
 
Hardik Pandya said India could field "two more teams" and win any tournament. I think the problem is right there.

They sometimes overestimate themselves. Also, there is the hubris factor.
 
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No.1

Team compositioin

5 batsmen (who can't bowl)
1 inconsistent keeper
5 bowlers ( 4 of them can't bat decently)
1 fake all rounder

You can easily disturb this combination in any number of ways. But credit to India they were amazingly consistent with bat and ball to mask this weakness in league stage of every world event. Come crunch moment that one particular weakness gets exposed. It is always a matter of time.

No. 2

No practical captain like MSD who has instinctive moves that more often that not worked for him. Guys like Rohit completely lose the plot moment few fours going. Kohli is even more atrocious.

Until they elongate the depth in both department i can't see them winning anything in the near future. Nothing to do with "choking".
 
sweep_shot said:
Hardik Pandya said India could field "two more teams" and win any tournament. I think the problem is right there.

They sometimes overestimate themselves. Also, there is the hubris factor.
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India has better bench strength than anyone else. But his opinion alluded to that rather than "two completely different teams". In fact India did play 2 teams at the same time during world T20, 2022. THere was one team that was already in Australia. Another team beat full strength SA in the ODI series. India did wonderfully well in last 4 world cups upto a point. They also reached CT final. They reached two WTC finals. They miss in the back end due to bad 15 minutes or complete choking. Nothing to do with "over-estimate".
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India has better bench strength than anyone else. But his opinion alluded to that rather than "two completely different teams". In fact India did play 2 teams at the same time during world T20, 2022. THere was one team that was already in Australia. Another team beat full strength SA in the ODI series. India did wonderfully well in last 4 world cups upto a point. They also reached CT final. They reached two WTC finals. They miss in the back end due to bad 15 minutes or complete choking. Nothing to do with "over-estimate".
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Teams like SA, NZ etc. can also make similar excuses.

Bilateral JAMODIs don't count.
 
sweep_shot said:
Teams like SA, NZ etc. can also make similar excuses.

Bilateral JAMODIs don't count.
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Neither SA nor NZ ever had such dominating 4 world cups in a row. NZ in particular always scrapped around to get to semi final. They were never favorites in any of the world cup at the start. SA was favorites in the 90s and some par tof 2000s. Even there they didn't dominate in league stage like India did. Can you share similar stat of NZ in 4 consecutive world cups? Even in 2000s India had the second highest W/L ratio. SA had a W/L ratio of 1.50 ranked 5th.

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jnaveen1980 said:
Neither SA nor NZ ever had such dominating 4 world cups in a row. NZ in particular always scrapped around to get to semi final. They were never favorites in any of the world cup at the start. SA was favorites in the 90s and some par tof 2000s. Even there they didn't dominate in league stage like India did. Can you share similar stat of NZ in 4 consecutive world cups? Even in 2000s India had the second highest W/L ratio. SA had a W/L ratio of 1.50 ranked 5th.

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Meaningless stats.

These stats are not changing the fact India haven't won an ICC trophy since 2013.
 
sweep_shot said:
Meaningless stats.

These stats are not changing the fact India haven't won an ICC trophy since 2013.
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We know India hasn't won tournaments during this arbitrary window. Question is why. You said "over-estimate". A team with that record in tournaments are obviously going to be rated by everyone.
 
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It's obviously a mental issue.

It's not easy carrying the expectations of 1.4 Billion people but it's no excuse for not winning a World title in 13 years (Champions Trophy is a meaningless irrelevant tournament so 2013 doesn't count). 13 years is a stupendously long time especially when you consider the fact that there's been a total of 10 World Tournaments held since then.

We were the best side in 2014 WT20, 2019 WC and 2023 WC until we had those "one-off" games..
 
India have won absolutely nothing except balance sheets.

Yet you still see their supporters turn a blind eye to that and thump their chests at TV deals like the money goes into their own bank accounts.

When you have all the advantages India has anything less than pure domination is an utter failure.

The reality is that India’s lack of achievements are a humiliation for a nation of 1.4bn who have all the money, resources and influence others can only dream of.

Heads should be rolling in India.

However it seems the fans don’t mind that and prefer to live in delusion rather than push for outcomes which would lead them to trophies over record IPL earnings.
 
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Former England captain Michael Vaughan has shared a piece of advice for BCCI chief selector Ajit Agarkar regarding the Indian cricket team squad for the upcoming T20 World Cup 2024," while speaking to a local Indian sports platform:

"What I'll say to Ajit Agarkar (is) don't be scared of being brave. If he ultimately believes that the Indian T20 team is better off without a Virat Kohli or a KL Rahul, that's how he should deliver the team."

"Don't be under pressure that you have to pick all the big names, because you know they haven't been winning trophies. And it might be that a fresher set of minds with no baggage of losing in November (2023 World Cup), no baggage of not doing great in the last T20 World Cup... maybe they need a fresh set of minds. He's probably got 30 names, that he can put in the bag, he'd pull out the bowlers, batters, spinners, and whoever he pulls out, they're going to be competitive."
 
FearlessRoar said:
Former England captain Michael Vaughan has shared a piece of advice for BCCI chief selector Ajit Agarkar regarding the Indian cricket team squad for the upcoming T20 World Cup 2024," while speaking to a local Indian sports platform:

"What I'll say to Ajit Agarkar (is) don't be scared of being brave. If he ultimately believes that the Indian T20 team is better off without a Virat Kohli or a KL Rahul, that's how he should deliver the team."

"Don't be under pressure that you have to pick all the big names, because you know they haven't been winning trophies. And it might be that a fresher set of minds with no baggage of losing in November (2023 World Cup), no baggage of not doing great in the last T20 World Cup... maybe they need a fresh set of minds. He's probably got 30 names, that he can put in the bag, he'd pull out the bowlers, batters, spinners, and whoever he pulls out, they're going to be competitive."
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Absolutely true this. Unless the senior leeches are dropped - no chance for Ind. This is actually a SC mentality - Ind Pak Ban. SL seems to be the exception.. The younger talent is really good - they just need to be given a decent run and get rid of the statpad mentality
 
Bewal Express said:
I think Ind will finally win a WC in June. Surely they can't choke again
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Depends on the lineup. They have the talent to win the T20 WC, some of their young players have stunning performances in T20s.

But if they just run the same team with the likes of Rahul and Jadeja who are amazing in the regular stages but let you down when you need it the most in knockout rounds, then they will probably just get knocked out by New Zealand like usual.
 
160KPH said:
Depends on the lineup. They have the talent to win the T20 WC, some of their young players have stunning performances in T20s.

But if they just run the same team with the likes of Rahul and Jadeja who are amazing in the regular stages but let you down when you need it the most in knockout rounds, then they will probably just get knocked out by New Zealand like usual.
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It's not about talent. We know they have the talent,it's more of a problem with temperament.
 
Bewal Express said:
I think Ind will finally win a WC in June. Surely they can't choke again
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I don't think so... Indian batters usually struggle on slow paced wickets and Caribbean wickets don't offer much pace so we can expect another choke this year.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I don't think so... Indian batters usually struggle on slow paced wickets and Caribbean wickets don't offer much pace so we can expect another choke this year.
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India is not a good T20 side. T20 side needs certain ingredients. India is lacking in every department. They will scratch around and reach semi at best.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I don't think so... Indian batters usually struggle on slow paced wickets and Caribbean wickets don't offer much pace so we can expect another choke this year.
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Well if you claim that they struggle on these types of wickets then they are expected to lose. That doesn't meet the definition of a choke.
 
deltexas said:
Absolutely true this. Unless the senior leeches are dropped - no chance for Ind. This is actually a SC mentality - Ind Pak Ban. SL seems to be the exception.. The younger talent is really good - they just need to be given a decent run and get rid of the statpad mentality
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True.

We haven't won anything with prima donnas in team for last decade or so. Why not drop them all and see what happens.

I know its not going to happen, we'll lose yet another world tournament and we should tone down our expectations from the team accordingly.
 
Even Pakistan are stronger than India in T20 cricket. Your bowlers like Naseem conveniently get injured before 50 over World Cups and Australia Test series just to miraculously get fit for PSL .
 
No bigger choking than Haris Rauf and Mohammad Aamir vs USA. And of course, GOAT white ball batter choking against Netravalkar.

Even India choke in the semis for the next 50 years , there will be no comparison :inti
 
Nikhil_cric said:
No bigger choking than Haris Rauf and Mohammad Aamir vs USA. And of course, GOAT white ball batter choking against Netravalkar.

Even India choke in the semis for the next 50 years , there will be no comparison :inti
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Losing to team of the same level isn't choking :inti
 
Vikram1989 said:
So unless we win wtc every time it can be added.T20 finals victory have caused hysteria and delusion .pak fans don't care about their own team's bashing and follow on .no wonder pak is going down the hill.
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We are rubbish and we know it. The difference is you guys think otherwise of your players. We don't claim to be the best and are not deluded as your guys.
 
khyberlion said:
We are rubbish and we know it. The difference is you guys think otherwise of your players. We don't claim to be the best and are not deluded as your guys.
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Dude. We criticize our players worse than you do against your players. Atleast we expect big. Nobody claims we are the best. ICC ranking says so. India world. no2 ranked test team, no.1 ODI team. no.1 T20 team. Can you tell your rankings? You have a reason not to expect from your team. We have. Because selectors are not phasing out out of form players.
 
khyberlion said:
We are rubbish and we know it. The difference is you guys think otherwise of your players. We don't claim to be the best and are not deluded as your guys.
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Ur post highlights that difference. We think we are one of the best and we have young players to fix the issues in transition period.You have only coping mechanism.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Dude. We criticize our players worse than you do against your players. Atleast we expect big. Nobody claims we are the best. ICC ranking says so. India world. no2 ranked test team, no.1 ODI team. no.1 T20 team. Can you tell your rankings? You have a reason not to expect from your team. We have. Because selectors are not phasing out out of form players.
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Some of you guys do but as a whole it's not the case just read someone of the posts from Indian fans. They are living in a world of their own.
 
khyberlion said:
There nearly 2 billion of you who play the sport with all the resources, I would be ashamed if my team achievements were similar to India.
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Lol seriously. Cricket is like a religion in India. Indians are obsessed with 2 things in life, cricket and moving abroad. Indian players are literally worshipped by the fans everywhere they go yet they get beaten by teams like New Zealand. It’s embarrassing. Having so much of your resources invested in one sport and still not being good enough to dominate it and consistently win big trophies.
 
psyoptica said:
Lol seriously. Cricket is like a religion in India. Indians are obsessed with 2 things in life, cricket and moving abroad. Indian players are literally worshipped by the fans everywhere they go yet they get beaten by teams like New Zealand. It’s embarrassing. Having so much of your resources invested in one sport and still not being good enough to dominate it and consistently win big trophies.
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Exactly my point. Imagine having all the resources and billions playing and your only achievement is overtaking SA as chokers.
 
khyberlion said:
Some of you guys do but as a whole it's not the case just read someone of the posts from Indian fans. They are living in a world of their own.
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Most of us do. You are not visiting twitter and see the treatment the players get from fans?
 
khyberlion said:
Exactly my point. Imagine having all the resources and billions playing and your only achievement is overtaking SA as chokers.
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India won world cup in 1983 without any resources lol What is your point. Why are you not winning now? You sure have more resources now than India had in 1983.
 
psyoptica said:
Lol seriously. Cricket is like a religion in India. Indians are obsessed with 2 things in life, cricket and moving abroad. Indian players are literally worshipped by the fans everywhere they go yet they get beaten by teams like New Zealand. It’s embarrassing. Having so much of your resources invested in one sport and still not being good enough to dominate it and consistently win big trophies.
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Yes but we made sure we don’t lost to our software developers in US.
 
The reality is when you have all the money ib cricket and all the support from ICC and have them in your pockets, India has underachieved, the results speak for themselves
 
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khyberlion said:
Pakistan won in 92 without resources. No sure what point you are trying to make.
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You don't need resources to win world cup. That is the point. You sure have more resources than 1992. Why are you not winning anything? SL had hardly any functioning cricket board they won in 1996. Afghanistan doesn't even have a proper cricket ground they kicked you out from world cup. WHy did you get knocked out by USA who don't really have any resources.
 
khyberlion said:
We are rubbish and we know it. The difference is you guys think otherwise of your players. We don't claim to be the best and are not deluded as your guys.
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Do you seriously think that Rohit, Kohli, Pant, Rahul, Gill or Siraj would get the amount of hate they get, if they did what they've done as Pakistani cricketers?
 
Vikram1989 said:
A pak running away from the topic and tagging his posts as literary is not new .treat this as my last one.
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The topic is about India choking which we have seen plenty of that. It's you who's having difficulty with the topic. Don't blame you when your entire team is filled with chokers of the highest order.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
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You don't need resources to win world cup. That is the point. You sure have more resources than 1992. Why are you not winning anything?
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So India should bin all their resources etc and the money they spend on developing players? The cricket world has moved on from 1980s.
 
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