India hopes new Pakistan govt helps build 'terror-free South Asia' and Peace

[TheLastGreatMan]

The official spokesperson for the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) on Saturday said India welcomes that "the people of Pakistan have reposed their faith in democracy through the general elections".

"India desires a prosperous and progressive Pakistan at peace with its neighbours," the MEA said. "We hope that the new Government of Pakistan will work constructively to build a safe, stable, secure and developed South Asia free of terror and violence."

The MEA issued the statement in response to questions from the media on the elections in Pakistan. Its remarks come on the heels of appeals from political leaders in Jammu and Kashmir — the state at the centre of a decades-old territory dispute with Pakistan — to welcome any offer of peace from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan, who is likely to be the country's next prime ministe

https://www.firstpost.com/world/mea...ia-desires-peace-with-neighbours-4843431.html

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Nice how they got the sly terror mention in there so the public will automatically link the term with Pakistan.

 

[CricVet]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2100498533524035

 

[CricVet]

Baghal main churi, moun pay Raaam Raam.

This is NOT not to offend EVERY Indian. It is for those who think they are all so innocent. Above video proves the agenda employed already by their think tank.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Baghal main churi, moun pay Raaam Raam.

This is NOT not to offend EVERY Indian. It is for those who think they are all so innocent. Above video proves the agenda employed already by their think tank.

He says India can do so not India is doing so. I know Hindi isnt your language so you shouldnot pass judgements like that.

India is not the only country that accuses Pakistan of harbouring and supporting terrorism.

Right now India is retaliating to Pakistani support to terrorism by using disproportionate force on the LoC, when provoked. Future options include decreasing the water supply to Pakistan for which dams are being build.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Modi won’t be in power next year

He’s the main obstruction to peace between the two countries not Ajmal and the Marriott hotel

 

[CricVet]

He says India can do so not India is doing so. I know Hindi isnt your language so you shouldnot pass judgements like that.

India is not the only country that accuses Pakistan of harbouring and supporting terrorism.

Right now India is retaliating to Pakistani support to terrorism by using disproportionate force on the LoC, when provoked. Future options include decreasing the water supply to Pakistan for which dams are being build.

Thick logic and understanding of context.

It shows mentality. How do you know that this is not being done already? They are gonna get your permission? RSS has done it in the past blowing many Pakistanis and RAW has been funding using Afghan and Tajik tools thru Afghan border. We have been riding low but will wait for the highs. One day hopefully when the the shoe goes to the other foot, pain will be felt.

 

[KingKhanWC]

And what is doing about financing and supporting terrorists in Pakistan? These jokers think they can deny their own terrorism and keep on blaming Pakistan even after their spy has give up their ghost.

It's best for Pakistan to ignore India.

 

[CricVet]

As far as blocking water supply is concerned, that is nothing but a wet dream. That will be invitation to war and destruction and no wise leader would do it. Water issues have been discussed in other threads so no point discussing here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi won’t be in power next year

He’s the main obstruction to peace between the two countries not Ajmal and the Marriott hotel

Who said he wont be? No one knows.

Any govt that tries to start a peace process with Pakistan without getting the guarantee that Pakistan wont suupport terrorism in India, will get bashed in the media and everywhere.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thick logic and understanding of context.

It shows mentality. How do you know that this is not being done already? They are gonna get your permission? RSS has done it in the past blowing many Pakistanis and RAW has been funding using Afghan and Tajik tools thru Afghan border. We have been riding low but will wait for the highs. One day hopefully when the the shoe goes to the other foot, pain will be felt.

RSS? Lol. Any proof?

India supports the Afghan govt.Many countries do. But India is not responsible for the acts of the Afghan govt or NDS.

If it was already being done then Pakistan would have presented proof to the world and deflected international pressure oN India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And what is doing about financing and supporting terrorists in Pakistan? These jokers think they can deny their own terrorism and keep on blaming Pakistan even after their spy has give up their ghost.

It's best for Pakistan to ignore India.

India is not interested you see. We gain nothing from Pakistan.

Numerous countries accuse Pakistan of terrorism. Pakistani organisations are on UN list for terror activities in India.

Jokers are those who think anyone believes the Pakistani narrative on India. Lol.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Who said he wont be? No one knows.

Any govt that tries to start a peace process with Pakistan without getting the guarantee that Pakistan wont suupport terrorism in India, will get bashed in the media and everywhere.

The Marriott hotel was an inside job
So was samjhauta and malegon

Ghandi was killer by Godse


Do you not watch Priyanka Chopra serials

 

[cricketjoshila]

As far as blocking water supply is concerned, that is nothing but a wet dream. That will be invitation to war and destruction and no wise leader would do it. Water issues have been discussed in other threads so no point discussing here.

So Pakistan will go to war and destroy itself but not destroy the terror camps and terrorists.

And most analysts thought Pakistan used these terrorists because its a low cost option.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Marriott hotel was an inside job
So was samjhauta and malegon

Ghandi was killer by Godse


Do you not watch Priyanka Chopra serials

What Mariott hotel?

Lol at serials.

 

[KingKhanWC]

India is not interested you see. We gain nothing from Pakistan.

Numerous countries accuse Pakistan of terrorism. Pakistani organisations are on UN list for terror activities in India.

Jokers are those who think anyone believes the Pakistani narrative on India. Lol.

Pakistanis dont need the words of other countries as bowing down to outsiders is not in their nature, India on the other hand...

If you think India hasn't been supporting terrorism in Pakistan, stop watching Bollywood.

 

[enkidu_]

India's idea of "peaceful South Asia" is hegemonic Hindu domination in the SC.

 

[CricVet]

So Pakistan will go to war and destroy itself but not destroy the terror camps and terrorists.

And most analysts thought Pakistan used these terrorists because its a low cost option.

Again being thick here. It will be a total destruction of the region which would result no gain to either countries. Keyboard warriors like you however can get a kick out of it imagining stuff.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis dont need the words of other countries as bowing down to outsiders is not in their nature, India on the other hand...

If you think India hasn't been supporting terrorism in Pakistan, stop watching Bollywood.

What did u do when you allowed USA to use drones to bomb pakistanis? You didnot bow down?

India on the other hand what?

Where is the proof? Why dont you show it to the world?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again being thick here. It will be a total destruction of the region which would result no gain to either countries. Keyboard warriors like you however can get a kick out of it imagining stuff.

Whether it will be total destruction or not it remains to be seen.

But Pakistan will be willing to risk it to save a few 100 terrorists and terror camps? For what?

 

[cricketjoshila]

India's idea of "peaceful South Asia" is hegemonic Hindu domination in the SC.

Unlike many Pakistanis like you,Indian thinking doesnot start or end with religion.

 

[enkidu_]

Unlike many Pakistanis like you,Indian thinking doesnot start or end with religion.

"Indian" = "Hindu" = "Indian" = "Hindu".

Indian secularism is soft Hindu cultural imperialism like Bollywood is soft Islamic cultural imperialism.

No one is dupe.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"Indian" = "Hindu" = "Indian" = "Hindu".

Indian secularism is soft Hindu cultural imperialism like Bollywood is soft Islamic cultural imperialism.

No one is dupe.

As i said hardly anyone believes the Pakistani propoganda about India.

 

[enkidu_]

As i said hardly anyone believes the Pakistani propoganda about India.

Why is the nation called "Hindustan" then ?

"Indian" is a modern term.

Before peoples of the SC, from the eastern side of the Indus (modern day Pak Punjab/Pak Sindh) to Tamil Nadu were known as Hindus.

Hindu was the meta ethnicity encompassing the different ethnicities of Punjabis, Sindhis, Biharis, etc

When you say you're "Indian" you basically say you're a Hindu, whether active or passive.

Indian secularism is soft Hindu cultural imperialism, a Marxist author like Perry Anderson, in his works on Partition, has vindicated Jinnah when he says that Gandhi's "secularism" was crypto-Hinduism.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What did u do when you allowed USA to use drones to bomb pakistanis? You didnot bow down?

India on the other hand what?

Where is the proof? Why dont you show it to the world?

Americans have admitted Pak was aware of drone strikes. Try reading something more than IPL news.

Pakistan doesn't need the worlds approval like India does. Pak knows and have taken out plenty of Indian backed terrorists and Indians in Afghanistan.

The thread is about India crying again of terrorism, Pak just deals with Indian terrorism.

 

[CricVet]

RSS? Lol. Any proof?

India supports the Afghan govt.Many countries do. But India is not responsible for the acts of the Afghan govt or NDS.

If it was already being done then Pakistan would have presented proof to the world and deflected international pressure oN India.

Again, there are things I DO NOT want to discuss which have been beaten to pulp in other thread(s). We Pakistanis will wait for the tables to get turned. Apna Raam Raam kahin or karo kiddo.

 

[akki]

The Marriott hotel was an inside job
So was samjhauta and malegon

Ghandi was killer by Godse


Do you not watch Priyanka Chopra serials

Hahaha lolz ..sarcasm

 

[akki]

Pakistanis dont need the words of other countries as bowing down to outsiders is not in their nature, India on the other hand...

If you think India hasn't been supporting terrorism in Pakistan, stop watching Bollywood.

Bowing to otger countries ? Ahmm ahmm. ....
Usa used pakistan like a tissue paper since decaded. They kill your people with drones attack without your permission in your presence or without presence in the exchange of few bucks or fear.
Now its china turn to do that. Carry on with your delusions dude.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is the nation called "Hindustan" then ?

"Indian" is a modern term.

Before peoples of the SC, from the eastern side of the Indus (modern day Pak Punjab/Pak Sindh) to Tamil Nadu were known as Hindus.

Hindu was the meta ethnicity encompassing the different ethnicities of Punjabis, Sindhis, Biharis, etc

When you say you're "Indian" you basically say you're a Hindu, whether active or passive.

Indian secularism is soft Hindu cultural imperialism, a Marxist author like Perry Anderson, in his works on Partition, has vindicated Jinnah when he says that Gandhi's "secularism" was crypto-Hinduism.

The nation isnt called Hindustan.Its Bharat or India. Hindustan was a name given by arabs.

When i say i am Indian it means I am Indian.same goes for anyone of any religion.

Gandhi's views doesnot need attestation from any marxist author . This is like Basit Ali saying Tendulkar isnt a ATG.

The less said about MA Jinnah and Secularism the better

 

[akki]

"Indian" = "Hindu" = "Indian" = "Hindu".

Indian secularism is soft Hindu cultural imperialism like Bollywood is soft Islamic cultural imperialism.

No one is dupe.

A place where hinduism,budhism,jainism,sikhism etc many otger religions , born is world best ever secular state. Nothing can be more secular than india.
We know facts and everything . An islamic nation cannot teach about secularism to anyone ever.

 

[Zaz]

very nice of the mea to think pakistan is the root of all evil and India of course dood ka Dula hua hai

Thanks for the well wishes but you know where you can stuff them

 

[akki]

Why is the nation called "Hindustan" then ?

"Indian" is a modern term.

Before peoples of the SC, from the eastern side of the Indus (modern day Pak Punjab/Pak Sindh) to Tamil Nadu were known as Hindus.

Hindu was the meta ethnicity encompassing the different ethnicities of Punjabis, Sindhis, Biharis, etc

When you say you're "Indian" you basically say you're a Hindu, whether active or passive.

Indian secularism is soft Hindu cultural imperialism, a Marxist author like Perry Anderson, in his works on Partition, has vindicated Jinnah when he says that Gandhi's "secularism" was crypto-Hinduism.

Lolz. I hope you wont bring aryan theory in to your next answer.
So basically you are also hindu. Yoy were actually we all know ,but as per your answer you are currently as well. Intersting answer.

 

[enkidu_]

Bowing to otger countries ? Ahmm ahmm. ....
Usa used pakistan like a tissue paper since decaded. They kill your people with drones attack without your permission in your presence or without presence in the exchange of few bucks or fear.
Now its china turn to do that. Carry on with your delusions dude.

Actually Americans think they have been duped by Pak. They have thrown in billions but they say Pak is helping the Haqqani network, which apparently has made sure that they spent trillions in Afghanistan without much results. Why do you think the Trump administration is eager to put Pak into the FATF grey list ? And convinced traditional Pak allies, Saudi Arabia/China, to back down for their initial support (Turkey remained) ? Because they say that Pak is helping Talibans in Afg. Imran Khan's aide in geopolitics, Shireen Mazari, is clever enough to know that Pak has the upper hand, and deep inside Trump also know that, while you can't now not win in Afghanistan, with Pakistan's help you can morph your imminent defeat into an honorable retreat. Imran Khan will help the US avoid war and retire Pak from the FATF grey list (as it happened before).

Outside the aid given to Pak, the costs of the Afghanistan war itself are into the 800 billions (minimum)-2 trillions (the latter is the number Trump quotes).

And China is investing +60 billions in Pak, they call Pak its Ba-tie, "iron brother" in Chinese, and China's CPEC is in fact the reason that India will lower down its proxy wars in Pak, because they'll threaten China directly, itself economically and militarily superior to India, and which can use pressure with the Brahmaputra if anything.

The nation isnt called Hindustan.Its Bharat or India. Hindustan was a name given by arabs.

When i say i am Indian it means I am Indian.same goes for anyone of any religion.

Gandhi's views doesnot need attestation from any marxist author . This is like Basit Ali saying Tendulkar isnt a ATG.

The less said about MA Jinnah and Secularism the better

Bharat is also a connoted Sanskrit term.

Indian secularism will fade away soon.

 

[akki]

Pakistan has so many UN recognized terrorists living there.
Fatf has put pakistan on grey list over global terror finance.And there are many many more examples to this. Afghanistan ,bangladesg ,india all three countries accussed pakistan in UN Last year of terrorism and asked some right to reply from them. This was tge record in itself . And i cant even mention how many states head has said about pakistan
And here oakistanis only care about some 0.0001 percent cases about cow eating things related to india .
Unfirtunatey we in india know .it doesnt matter who is pakistan p.m . All it matter is isi and pakistan army who has all the say and control.
India has to initate talk to pakistan army if there has to be any oeace ever and india has relaized this over the years

 

[cricketjoshila]

Americans have admitted Pak was aware of drone strikes. Try reading something more than IPL news.

Pakistan doesn't need the worlds approval like India does. Pak knows and have taken out plenty of Indian backed terrorists and Indians in Afghanistan.

The thread is about India crying again of terrorism, Pak just deals with Indian terrorism.

There is no Indian terrorism. If India started funding terrorism in Pakistan you wont know what hit you. But we are not in tye business of terrorism. What we do we do openly on the LoC, pakistan went running everywhere talking about the indians use of force.. We are openly building dams on the rivers. We have more than enough ways.

But same cannot be said about the Afghans whose country Pakistan has ravaged by supporting terrorists.

America goes and bombs Pakistani territory whenever they want. Thats called bowing down.They went and killed Osama. They killed the Taliban chief mullah mansour in Pakistan. Give these sermons on bowing to someone else.

Pakistan came out of IMF bailout a couple of years ago. Not needing the world talk doesnt suit you.

Yes pakistan have killed some unarmed Indians in Afghanistan. Because tgats what they can do. Faced with the Indian Army they surrendered in Dhaka and ran away from Kargil.

Hope Pakistan can actually tackle terrorism. Atleast then they wont have to play matches in UAE.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

As much as I love this forum, it is with great regret I have to say this:

The attitude exhibited here is precisely why Pakistan will find it so hard to make strides fast.

Talking about Pakistan establishment sponsored terrorism isn't hurting feeling. It is simply, speaking facts. When we acknowledge there is a problem, we can move forward to solve them.

We all want peaceful relationships with Pakistan. But if that means we have to beat around the bush reg a blatant fact which needs resolution, then what good are any talks?

Something to ponder about.

 

[akki]

Actually Americans think they have been duped by Pak. They have thrown in billions but they say Pak is helping the Haqqani network, which apparently has made sure that they spent trillions in Afghanistan without much results. Why do you think the Trump administration is eager to put Pak into the FATF grey list ? And convinced traditional Pak allies, Saudi Arabia/China, to back down for their initial support (Turkey remained) ? Because they say that Pak is helping Talibans in Afg. Imran Khan's aide in geopolitics, Shireen Mazari, is clever enough to know that Pak has the upper hand, and deep inside Trump also know that, while you can't now not win in Afghanistan, with Pakistan's help you can morph your imminent defeat into an honorable retreat. Imran Khan will help the US avoid war and retire Pak from the FATF grey list (as it happened before).

Outside the aid given to Pak, the costs of the Afghanistan war itself are into the 800 billions (minimum)-2 trillions (the latter is the number Trump quotes).

And China is investing +60 billions in Pak, they call Pak its Ba-tie, "iron brother" in Chinese, and China's CPEC is in fact the reason that India will lower down its proxy wars in Pak, because they'll threaten China directly, itself economically and militarily superior to India, and which can use pressure with the Brahmaputra if anything.



Bharat is also a connoted Sanskrit term.

Indian secularism will fade away soon.

Well sikhs ,jains ,budhists,hindus.so 5 plus religions are born here and not going anywhere soon if we take your word that islam wud suffer here which is also not tge case.
So facts and figures will always support india to be secular .
And you dnt need to tell why usa do this. The fact of tge matter is usa has always used pakistan as the tissue over and now china is gking to do the same.
Your uncountable analysts has said the same ,as i have watched and read enough of pakistan media.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bharat is also a connoted Sanskrit term.

Indian secularism will fade away soon.

Sanskrit is the mother language of most Indian languages and Bharat name has been mentioned since centuries.

Nothing happens in India according to the wishes of Pakistanis.

 

[DeadBall]

As much as I love this forum, it is with great regret I have to say this:

The attitude exhibited here is precisely why Pakistan will find it so hard to make strides fast.

Talking about Pakistan establishment sponsored terrorism isn't hurting feeling. It is simply, speaking facts. When we acknowledge there is a problem, we can move forward to solve them.

We all want peaceful relationships with Pakistan. But if that means we have to beat around the bush reg a blatant fact which needs resolution, then what good are any talks?

Something to ponder about.

Pakistan is no angel but have you seen the headlines on your major news networks in the past couple of days? War mongering is a business and that's what the status quo benefits from. Hopefully IK can take things in the right direction, although doubt it as politicians/army from both sides benefit from it.

 

[Adijazz1706]

As much as I love this forum, it is with great regret I have to say this:

The attitude exhibited here is precisely why Pakistan will find it so hard to make strides fast.

Talking about Pakistan establishment sponsored terrorism isn't hurting feeling. It is simply, speaking facts. When we acknowledge there is a problem, we can move forward to solve them.

We all want peaceful relationships with Pakistan. But if that means we have to beat around the bush reg a blatant fact which needs resolution, then what good are any talks?

Something to ponder about.

The same thing could be said by Pakistan about the Bugti terrorism in Baluchistan so...

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Pakistan is no angel but have you seen the headlines on your major news networks in the past couple of days? War mongering is a business and that's what the status quo benefits from. Hopefully IK can take things in the right direction, although doubt it as politicians/army from both sides benefit from it.

Indian media and judiciary are scams dude.

All bootlickers.

 

[enkidu_]

Well sikhs ,jains ,budhists,hindus.so 5 plus religions are born here and not going anywhere soon if we take your word that islam wud suffer here which is also not tge case.
So facts and figures will always support india to be secular .
And you dnt need to tell why usa do this. The fact of tge matter is usa has always used pakistan as the tissue over and now china is gking to do the same.
Your uncountable analysts has said the same ,as i have watched and read enough of pakistan media.

Sikhs, Jains, etc put together are not even 1% of the pop. Muslims represent a threat because they're around 15% and their monotheistic system is a direct contradiction to the Hindu way of life.

And what I'm saying is US own accusations, not mine : Pak has received billions by basically killing American soldiers in Afghanistan, a war - the longest in American history - which itself costed 800 billions-2 trillions of dollars.

Trump is a businessman, he has no ethical concern (that's why the deals with the Saudis), and Imran Khan and his acute geopolitical analyst Shireen Mazari know it as well, so they'll "make a deal".

Why do you think that the US could have cornered Pak a dozen of times (even without OBL death in Abbotabad, itself an argument), yet never really cut off its ties ? Because they know that, since Iran became an anti American Islamic régime, Pak is essential to their role in Afghanistan, itself absolutely essential for their presence in Central Asia to counter Russia and emerging China (spy chiefs from these countries and Iran were in Pak weeks ago). See how pro Pak someone like Kissinger was even without the Cold War configuration. He knows his geopolitics.

Pak media doesn't have "analysts" lol. These are "journalists", literally, who give their opinions on anything under the sun with a dose of sensationalism. They haven't studied history, geopolitics, economy, etc they're like Arnab Goswami's minus rare gems (Hassan Nisar, etc).

 

[cricketjoshila]

Actually Americans think they have been duped by Pak. They have thrown in billions but they say Pak is helping the Haqqani network, which apparently has made sure that they spent trillions in Afghanistan without much results. Why do you think the Trump administration is eager to put Pak into the FATF grey list ? And convinced traditional Pak allies, Saudi Arabia/China, to back down for their initial support (Turkey remained) ? Because they say that Pak is helping Talibans in Afg. Imran Khan's aide in geopolitics, Shireen Mazari, is clever enough to know that Pak has the upper hand, and deep inside Trump also know that, while you can't now not win in Afghanistan, with Pakistan's help you can morph your imminent defeat into an honorable retreat. Imran Khan will help the US avoid war and retire Pak from the FATF grey list (as it happened before).

Outside the aid given to Pak, the costs of the Afghanistan war itself are into the 800 billions (minimum)-2 trillions (the latter is the number Trump quotes).

And China is investing +60 billions in Pak, they call Pak its Ba-tie, "iron brother" in Chinese, and China's CPEC is in fact the reason that India will lower down its proxy wars in Pak, because they'll threaten China directly, itself economically and militarily superior to India, and which can use pressure with the Brahmaputra if anything.



Bharat is also a connoted Sanskrit term.

Indian secularism will fade away soon.

China couldnot pressure India into giving up sikkim or arunachal that china claims, it will force India to compromise on Pakistan.Lol.

Chinese investment in Pakistan is $60bn total to be invested in next few years. India China Annual nearly $85bn. Pretty obvioys where are the economic indicators indicating to esp. In this Trump era of trade wars.

Only 30% of Brahmaputra waters come from China. And any attempt to put restraints there will affect Bangladesh more than India.

Btw why do you guys always need to jump on someone else's shoulder to talk to India, sometimes its US led SEATO, sometimes it Ummah now China. Well neither SEATO nor Ummah helped you.

 

[Mr.Q]

And China is investing +60 billions in Pak, they call Pak its Ba-tie, "iron brother" in Chinese, and China's CPEC is in fact the reason that India will lower down its proxy wars in Pak, because they'll threaten China directly, itself economically and militarily superior to India, and which can use pressure with the Brahmaputra if anything.

Take this argument somewhere else. You’re literally at China’s feet. They’ll takeover your economy if things continue the way they’re right now. Let’s see if Imran Khan can change it. You guys will need some other country or international agency to bail your economy out of the mess it is in right now.

The level of delusion here is unbelievable.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan is no angel but have you seen the headlines on your major news networks in the past couple of days? War mongering is a business and that's what the status quo benefits from. Hopefully IK can take things in the right direction, although doubt it as politicians/army from both sides benefit from it.

Agree with the poor coverage but times now and republic. They just vomited the jang group garbage.

But western media hasnt been too charitable either. Neither are the EU observers.

 

[DeadBall]

Indian media and judiciary are scams dude.

All bootlickers.

Yes, but they are the ones that form public opinion. Same as any other media. The common man does not have the time, intellect or resources to research these matters and takes everything the media says at face value. Same in Pakistan and most other countries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The same thing could be said by Pakistan about the Bugti terrorism in Baluchistan so...

Is any Bugti living in India? He is in some european country.

Btw didntbpakistan prosecute its ex Army Chief, ex President and dictator for murder of a bugti?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The same thing could be said by Pakistan about the Bugti terrorism in Baluchistan so...

It may or may not be happening as a retaliatory measure. I won't rule out anything.

If things come to light and things are proven, Indians won't be defending this.

Moreover, if a guy receives 10 slaps and gives 1 slap back as a counter measure to protect himself from receiving more slaps, would it be right to equate both the actions as the same?

It's not like India is accused of terrorism in any other neighbouring country. Yes, back in the days, some Tamil parties supported LTTE in SL (long story), but not Indian establishment.

 

[slipcatch]

India has no option but to come to table.

 

[DeadBall]

Agree with the poor coverage but times now and republic. They just vomited the jang group garbage.

But western media hasnt been too charitable either. Neither are the EU observers.

I have been reading your Jang excuse for the past few days but didn't care to comment. Any self respecting media outlet would research and verify the content instead of just re spouting rubbish from other just for ratings, although there are hardly any self respecting media outlets left. It is all a business now for rating, be it India, Pakistan or America etc and the majority have to suffer.

We have become either too dumb, too busy or just indifferent. We deserve all that we have coming to us.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India has no option but to come to table.

We are not losing anything by staying away.

 

[akki]

Sikhs, Jains, etc put together are not even 1% of the pop. Muslims represent a threat because they're around 15% and their monotheistic system is a direct contradiction to the Hindu way of life.

And what I'm saying is US own accusations, not mine : Pak has received billions by basically killing American soldiers in Afghanistan, a war - the longest in American history - which itself costed 800 billions-2 trillions of dollars.

Trump is a businessman, he has no ethical concern (that's why the deals with the Saudis), and Imran Khan and his acute geopolitical analyst Shireen Mazari know it as well, so they'll "make a deal".

Why do you think that the US could have cornered Pak a dozen of times (even without OBL death in Abbotabad, itself an argument), yet never really cut off its ties ? Because they know that, since Iran became an anti American Islamic régime, Pak is essential to their role in Afghanistan, itself absolutely essential for their presence in Central Asia to counter Russia and emerging China (spy chiefs from these countries and Iran were in Pak weeks ago). See how pro Pak someone like Kissinger was even without the Cold War configuration. He knows his geopolitics.

Pak media doesn't have "analysts" lol. These are "journalists", literally, who give their opinions on anything under the sun with a dose of sensationalism. They haven't studied history, geopolitics, economy, etc they're like Arnab Goswami's minus rare gems (Hassan Nisar, etc).

So what if they dnt have much population. Sikhs contributes minimum thrice in in every damn indicator capita or no capita shapita wise to india.
And jains ,sikhs ,jainism ,hinduism ,budhist are also religions . So what if they never tried to spread themselves by tge name of missionairies or by other means if you know what i mean.
So india will be called as secular always. Anyway islam is also not going anywhere from india. They are our brotgers and have a love to our country and mostl of them would even die for this country.
Anyway we are not discussing this. The thing is whoever is pm of pakistan,its just to show the world about democracy. While everyone knows no pm has ever completed 5 years in power in pakistan if i am not wrong and only army and isi has the power behind the curtains.

So india should only talk to isi and army . Imran khas should be called only to teach bowling to our new generation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have been reading your Jang excuse for the past few days but didn't care to comment. Any self respecting media outlet would research and verify the content instead of just re spouting rubbish from other just for ratings, although there are hardly any self respecting media outlets left. It is all a business now for rating, be it India, Pakistan or America etc and the majority have to suffer.

We have become either too dumb, too busy or just indifferent. We deserve all that we have coming to us.

Times now just put in the entire geo tv coverage on times now.

Someone told me here that even the guests from pakistan were from geo tv.

As i said the coverage was rubbish. But the comments from western media is nearly same.

Pakistan has every right to choose its leader. If the election was rigged well its for pakistanis to deal with the issue. Imran Khan is the next likely PM of Pakistan. Now countries can decide to deal with him or avoid him or whatever thats upto them.

 

[Mr.Q]

I have been reading your Jang excuse for the past few days but didn't care to comment. Any self respecting media outlet would research and verify the content instead of just re spouting rubbish from other just for ratings, although there are hardly any self respecting media outlets left. It is all a business now for rating, be it India, Pakistan or America etc and the majority have to suffer.

We have become either too dumb, too busy or just indifferent. We deserve all that we have coming to us.

The media houses based in Mumbai are very anti Pakistan. You know why. They sometimes are very negative I agree, but you gotta think from their perspective too. Some scars are hard to get rid of bro. There were cries for a war against Pakistan when it happened.

 

[DeadBall]

Times now just put in the entire geo tv coverage on times now.
Someone told me here that even the guests from pakistan were from geo tv.

As i said the coverage was rubbish. But the comments from western media is nearly same.

Pakistan has every right to choose its leader. If the election was rigged well its for pakistanis to deal with the issue. Imran Khan is the next likely PM of Pakistan. Now countries can decide to deal with him or avoid him or whatever thats upto them.

True. A few of my German and Romanian friends actually asked asked me if there was a coup.

 

[enkidu_]

China couldnot pressure India into giving up sikkim or arunachal that china claims, it will force India to compromise on Pakistan.Lol.

Chinese investment in Pakistan is $60bn total to be invested in next few years. India China Annual nearly $85bn. Pretty obvioys where are the economic indicators indicating to esp. In this Trump era of trade wars.

Only 30% of Brahmaputra waters come from China. And any attempt to put restraints there will affect Bangladesh more than India.

Btw why do you guys always need to jump on someone else's shoulder to talk to India, sometimes its US led SEATO, sometimes it Ummah now China. Well neither SEATO nor Ummah helped you.

There are actually sporadic instances of Chinese incursions into Sikkim, read that recently, and I think China has the better upper hand in border dispute since the '62 war.

What you talk of is trade, I think ? And isn't there an issue of trade deficit discussed in Indian media ? Like it exports some 2 billions to China, while importing +50 billions ? And CPEC is investments in infrastructure which will be beneficial for the long term economic well being of Pak economy. It's different from trade.

I don't know the exact issue of the Brahmaputra tbh, but isn't that a water dispute that India keeps bringing on table ? Or perhaps it's a secondary issue ? Perhaps.

And Pak needs to balance its pop difference with India (as of now of some 1.1 billion), that's why it seeks help from stronger countries than India. And ummah did help. Look at how Saudia Arabia has helped Pak since the days of King Faycal. The very fact that they allow migration which results in remittances of billions of dollars is itself help.

Take this argument somewhere else. You’re literally at China’s feet. They’ll takeover your economy if things continue the way they’re right now. Let’s see if Imran Khan can change it. You guys will need some other country or international agency to bail your economy out of the mess it is in right now.

The level of delusion here is unbelievable.

I think Hindus have a caste vision : everything is vertical and hierarchic, like Dalits and Brahmins.

A country can help you without trying to control/dominate you like the US. Look at China's presence in Africa, and how it's appreciated - it's only Westerners who call it "neo colonialism".

The CPEC is literally a gift for Pak, integrating into the old Silk Road, and Imran Khan has already said that he'll want to further develop our relations with the Ba-tie/"iron brother" :

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We will strengthen and improve our relations with China. We want to work towards success of CPEC. We also want to send teams to learn poverty alleviation from China. How to lift our most poor who can’t even eat two meals a day. <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PrimeMinisterImranKhan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PrimeMinisterImranKhan</a></p>— PTI (@PTIofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1022459103384350721?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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to which govt-operated China media responded :

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China's Global Times: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImranKhan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ImranKhan</a> , former cricketing legend, holding degrees in philosophy, politics, n economics fr Oxford, has secured historic win in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanElections2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanElections2018</a> n becomes Prime Minister of our iron brother country. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> is entering a new era, returns to glory! <a href="https://t.co/YlK7BxKxKE">pic.twitter.com/YlK7BxKxKE</a></p>— Eva Zheng 郑怡斌 عائشة (@evazhengll) <a href="https://twitter.com/evazhengll/status/1022838024210735104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[DeadBall]

The media houses based in Mumbai are very anti Pakistan. You know why. They sometimes are very negative I agree, but you gotta think from their perspective too. Some scars are hard to get rid of bro. There were cries for a war against Pakistan when it happened.

I can understand that, that's why I said the status quo. We Desis are quite an emotional people but the media uses these past issues to still fan the flames of anger and revenge for their own benefit. I have lived in many countries where Pakistanis and Indians have been the best of friends because they were either oblivious or didn't care for all this old history.

Things happened but the only way forward is to try to forget about them and try to reconcile with each other. Revenge only begets more revenge.

 

[Mr.Q]

I think Hindus have a caste vision : everything is vertical and hierarchic, like Dalits and Brahmins.

A country can help you without trying to control/dominate you like the US. Look at China's presence in Africa, and how it's appreciated - it's only Westerners who call it "neo colonialism".

The CPEC is literally a gift for Pak, integrating into the old Silk Road, and Imran Khan has already said that he'll want to further develop our relations with the Ba-tie/"iron brother" :

I don’t care what Hindus follow. I’m talking about China’s tactics here. You seem to have no idea about it. The Chinese influence in your economy is so big they control many of your sectors! If you don’t plan on independent growth, you’ll be in big trouble. I don’t think any well educated Pakistani would disagree with this. I’m honestly surprised by your comments.

And you think China’s presence in Africa is appreciated? Have you heard about the mines they operate in Africa and what the people there feel about it? And the results of the increased demand for elephant tusks by the Chinese? And how the Mongolians nowadays treat Chinese mining companies and workers?

 

[Mr.Q]

I can understand that, that's why I said the status quo. We Desis are quite an emotional people but the media uses these past issues to still fan the flames of anger and revenge for their own benefit. I have lived in many countries where Pakistanis and Indians have been the best of friends because they were either oblivious or didn't care for all this old history.

Things happened but the only way forward is to try to forget about them and try to reconcile with each other. Revenge only begets more revenge.

Agree. I don’t think any of us would hesitate to befriend a Pakistani though. Most of us realise that the innocent people of Pakistan can’t be blamed for what’s happening at the border.

 

[enkidu_]

I don’t care what Hindus follow. I’m talking about China’s tactics here. You seem to have no idea about it. The Chinese influence in your economy is so big they control many of your sectors! If you don’t plan on independent growth, you’ll be in big trouble. I don’t think any well educated Pakistani would disagree with this. I’m honestly surprised by your comments.

And you think China’s presence in Africa is appreciated? Have you heard about the mines they operate in Africa and what the people there feel about it? And the results of the increased demand for elephant tusks by the Chinese? And how the Mongolians nowadays treat Chinese mining companies and workers?

I've read all this stuff, about Western propaganda concerning Chinese investments in Ethiopia, etc it's all propaganda from the West, which has built itself on the African blood and money, while intentionally keeping Africa poor so they'd depend on their loans/would be put in debt circle post-"decolonization", as Walter Rodney has shown in his "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa".

And let's admit that Chinese' ultimate goal is to make a slave out of Pak, wouldn't that benefit India ? Because they'd curb on the Islamism which mainly targets India as well, no ? And Pak would act with India like China itself act with India (more or less maintaining a status quo) ?

 

[PakLFC]

Nice try. India stop meddling in Baluchistan, CPEC and KPK. We are never gonna give you Hafiz Saeed who has been found innocent by our courts. Even if he was guilty Pak would punish him not India. It is out of question of him ever being handed over to India. If Indian army stops terrorism in IoK then they the freedom fighters would also reciprocate. I really don't care about India's internal issues, India would be a minuscule of PTI's overall policy let that be known. During his speech IK mentioned India last for about one minute!. If India meddles in Pak then ISI and our agencies will hit back much harder!

 

[DeadBall]

Agree. I don’t think any of us would hesitate to befriend a Pakistani though. Most of us realise that the innocent people of Pakistan can’t be blamed for what’s happening at the border.

Not just about Indians and Pakistanis. People befriend all kinds of other nationalities if they are not brainwashed or carry emotional baggage, which in newer generations for people living outside India/Pakistan is basically transmitted through the older generations and media.

 

[PakLFC]

Agree. I don’t think any of us would hesitate to befriend a Pakistani though. Most of us realise that the innocent people of Pakistan can’t be blamed for what’s happening at the border.

Same the other way round. Indian people are so brainwashed by their cooperative media as the eternal good guys that it is near impossible to have a mature debate with them. Don't preach to others what you do not do yourselves. If you fire at the border then we will give you the same in return no matter what your "innocent" people say. Do you think Pak will remain silent on the face of Indian aggression?

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is no Indian terrorism.
. But we are not in tye business of terrorism. What we do we do openly on the LoC, pakistan went running everywhere talking about the indians use of force.. We are openly building dams on the rivers. We have more than enough ways.

But same cannot be said about the Afghans whose country Pakistan has ravaged by supporting terrorists.

America goes and bombs Pakistani territory whenever they want. Thats called bowing down.They went and killed Osama. They killed the Taliban chief mullah mansour in Pakistan. Give these sermons on bowing to someone else.

Pakistan came out of IMF bailout a couple of years ago. Not needing the world talk doesnt suit you.

Yes pakistan have killed some unarmed Indians in Afghanistan. Because tgats what they can do. Faced with the Indian Army they surrendered in Dhaka and ran away from Kargil.

Hope Pakistan can actually tackle terrorism. Atleast then they wont have to play matches in UAE.

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A country whose secruity forces have been raping and killing innocent people for decades claiming to be saint.

I hope you get paid for this because it's boring, everyone knows there is a proxy war. Pakistan isn't going anywhere and will continue to do what is required to protect itself and to support the victims of Indian terrorism.

India can stop hoping, nobody in Pakistan takes this nonsense seriously.

 

[90MPH]

There is not a cat in hells chance of peace while Modi is in power.

He’s more crazy than Donald Trump. But you know what’s scarier is his BJP government has even bigger fanatical lunatics who are too busy stirring trouble at home. They don’t want negations but ridiculous demands on their own terms.

Modi is no Vajbhayee, he doesn’t have the courage nor the appetite to make any peaceful deals because he can’t even control the extreme fringe in his own party.

So no I don’t see anything improving and I hope Imran doesn’t push for it because it takes two to tango. If a new government comes into power we can see then if attitudes change.

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

Where did India accused Pakistan of terrorism in this post?They are telling it’s better to have terror free in entire South Asia including Pakistan.

 

[Syed1]

Can't have peace with a country that kills Kashmiris with impunity.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I lose no sleep over the fact that India is a hostile nation towards us -To Heck with Them!!

We have much serious issues of poverty, water shortage, infrastructure, corruption and other financial crisis that we need to tend to first along with peace in the Western Border region.

We should simply should not engage (in any capacity with India) until we've tended to our pressing domestic problems first.

I voted for Imran Khan to resolve our problems and not to pay attention to India

 

[Mr.Q]

I've read all this stuff, about Western propaganda concerning Chinese investments in Ethiopia, etc it's all propaganda from the West, which has built itself on the African blood and money, while intentionally keeping Africa poor so they'd depend on their loans/would be put in debt circle post-"decolonization", as Walter Rodney has shown in his "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa".

And let's admit that Chinese' ultimate goal is to make a slave out of Pak, wouldn't that benefit India ? Because they'd curb on the Islamism which mainly targets India as well, no ? And Pak would act with India like China itself act with India (more or less maintaining a status quo) ?

It’s not propaganda bro I think you should read a little more.

Regarding the Chinese domination of Pak, I don’t think it would benefit India. They’ll keep draining the money from your economy. It’s like putting a straw in a fruit and sucking the juice. At some point you’ll realise this and will decide to start all over again without depending on them. It’s not just about the money. The amount of data the Chinese companies are collecting from you is unbelievable. I’m sure you guys aren’t even thinking about it.

You see India and Indians as a bunch of people who want to see the destruction of Pakistan. That’s not the case at all. India is the cradle. Today or tomorrow Pakistan and India will become friends.

Same the other way round. Indian people are so brainwashed by their cooperative media as the eternal good guys that it is near impossible to have a mature debate with them. Don't preach to others what you do not do yourselves. If you fire at the border then we will give you the same in return no matter what your "innocent" people say. Do you think Pak will remain silent on the face of Indian aggression?

Aren’t you that guy who said Laden wasn’t in Pakistan? And now you’re telling me others are brainwashed ). If we fire at the border you can retaliate. But the problem is it happens the other way around. Your army creates problems at the border whenever there is an India - Pak peace talk. Nawaz Sharif was very upset with this. I didn’t claim Indians are ‘good guys’. You can’t generalise like that. But we’re not blinded by religion and don’t believe in proxy war. India respects the choice of the people of Pakistan and expects the same respect from your side as well. Poking your finger in our internal matters is a dangerous exercise.

Can't have peace with a country that kills Kashmiris with impunity.

So if a terrorist is a Kashmiri we should just let him go?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can't have peace with a country that kills Kashmiris with impunity.

How is it Pakistan's issue? Its between India and Kashmiris.

 

[cricketjoshila]

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A country whose secruity forces have been raping and killing innocent people for decades claiming to be saint.

I hope you get paid for this because it's boring, everyone knows there is a proxy war. Pakistan isn't going anywhere and will continue to do what is required to protect itself and to support the victims of Indian terrorism.

India can stop hoping, nobody in Pakistan takes this nonsense seriously.

That everyone seem to be pakistanis only. Because no one else seems to believe in this pakistani narrative.

India has downgraded its relations to pakistan to a bare minimum level. We will keep replying to Pakistani terrorism on the LoC, and in Kashmir. We will build dams and restrict water supply.




Indian flag flies in Srinagar. There is nothing Pakistan can do to change it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no Indian terrorism. If India started funding terrorism in Pakistan you wont know what hit you. But we are not in tye business of terrorism. What we do we do openly on the LoC, pakistan went running everywhere talking about the indians use of force.. We are openly building dams on the rivers. We have more than enough ways.

But same cannot be said about the Afghans whose country Pakistan has ravaged by supporting terrorists.

America goes and bombs Pakistani territory whenever they want. Thats called bowing down.They went and killed Osama. They killed the Taliban chief mullah mansour in Pakistan. Give these sermons on bowing to someone else.

Pakistan came out of IMF bailout a couple of years ago. Not needing the world talk doesnt suit you.

Yes pakistan have killed some unarmed Indians in Afghanistan. Because tgats what they can do. Faced with the Indian Army they surrendered in Dhaka and ran away from Kargil.

Hope Pakistan can actually tackle terrorism. Atleast then they wont have to play matches in UAE.

Pretty much sums up you and Indian media if you believe Afghanistan has been ravaged by Pakistan supporting terrorism. Of course by making such statements you are effectively saying that NATO has been waging war on the wrong country for the past 15 years, I wonder how you make sense of that?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is not a cat in hells chance of peace while Modi is in power.

He’s more crazy than Donald Trump. But you know what’s scarier is his BJP government has even bigger fanatical lunatics who are too busy stirring trouble at home. They don’t want negations but ridiculous demands on their own terms.

Modi is no Vajbhayee, he doesn’t have the courage nor the appetite to make any peaceful deals because he can’t even control the extreme fringe in his own party.

So no I don’t see anything improving and I hope Imran doesn’t push for it because it takes two to tango. If a new government comes into power we can see then if attitudes change.

Any govt in India that engages with Pakistan while the murderers of 26/11 are freely roaming in Pakistan will be bashed.

Any govt that starts a peace process while Pakistan keeps supporting terrorism and separatism in India will be pummeled in all sections.

Post 26/11 a new normal has been set. That normal is that talking to Pakistan is useless as Pakistan will only use that oppurtunity to ratchet up the terror activities. Rather its better to devote resources to develop more ways to contain and retaliate againist a terror attack.

The Aman ka Tamasha bikau brigade have been effectively sidelined.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pretty much sums up you and Indian media if you believe Afghanistan has been ravaged by Pakistan supporting terrorism. Of course by making such statements you are effectively saying that NATO has been waging war on the wrong country for the past 15 years, I wonder how you make sense of that?

So the Afghan Taliban is not supported by Pakistan?

 

[90MPH]

Any govt in India that engages with Pakistan while the murderers of 26/11 are freely roaming in Pakistan will be bashed.

Any govt that starts a peace process while Pakistan keeps supporting terrorism and separatism in India will be pummeled in all sections.

Post 26/11 a new normal has been set. That normal is that talking to Pakistan is useless as Pakistan will only use that oppurtunity to ratchet up the terror activities. Rather its better to devote resources to develop more ways to contain and retaliate againist a terror attack.

The Aman ka Tamasha bikau brigade have been effectively sidelined.

Couldn’t care less about some fake brigade. We don’t need fake friendships anyway that lead to nowhere.

When a country starts banning cricketers and actors we then know what a joke government it has become that it panders to lunatic media correspondents and extremists in their own party. We know their agenda and their one is setting that vision.

Pakistan should demand the human rights for Kashmir’s before any talks happen. That will only happen if a moderate Indian government gets elected next year.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So the Afghan Taliban is not supported by Pakistan?

You said "But same cannot be said about the Afghans whose country Pakistan has ravaged by supporting terrorists."

That implies that Afghanistan was all peace, prosperity and a beacon of tolerance without Pakistani input which is blatant nonsense. But this is how your media operates, they like to propagate these myths and you are here to embellish these lies. If you reply, please address what I said instead of ducking and diverting with some other sideways comment.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Couldn’t care less about some fake brigade. We don’t need fake friendships anyway that lead to nowhere.

When a country starts banning cricketers and actors we then know what a joke government it has become that it panders to lunatic media correspondents and extremists in their own party. We know their agenda and their one is setting that vision.

Pakistan should demand the human rights for Kashmir’s before any talks happen. That will only happen if a moderate Indian government gets elected next year.

Pakistan has no right to demand anything in matters that doesnot concern it.

Any govt works under the popular sentiments of its people. Cricketing ties were suspended under the congress govt.

 

[90MPH]

Pakistan has no right to demand anything in matters that doesnot concern it.

Any govt works under the popular sentiments of its people. Cricketing ties were suspended under the congress govt.

Eh the Kashmiris that are being raped, tortured, improsened, shot, and killed do have rights and those rights will be demanded which Imran has already said.

In my opinion there should be No talks with an extremist Indian government until they are ready to end their barbarism against Kashmiris.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Eh the Kashmiris that are being raped, tortured, improsened, shot, and killed do have rights and those rights will be demanded which Imran has already said.

In my opinion there should be No talks with an extremist Indian government until they are ready to end their barbarism against Kashmiris.

India doesnot run according to Imran Khan. Like every other Pakistani PM he can go to UNGA and say whatever he wants. No one in India will act according to that.

In my opinion Pakistan should stop poking its nose in Kashmir and stop spreading terrorism and let Indians and Kashmiris handle it.

Btw do you think Indians are jumping through hoops to talk to Pakistan?

 

[TheLastGreatMan]

India doesnot run according to Imran Khan. Like every other Pakistani PM he can go to UNGA and say whatever he wants. No one in India will act according to that.

In my opinion Pakistan should stop poking its nose in Kashmir and stop spreading terrorism and let Indians and Kashmiris handle it.

Btw do you think Indians are jumping through hoops to talk to Pakistan?

Pakistan need to start any process,if they want.We have tried all sort of dialogues all we got back is Kargil,26/11,Pathankot etc....