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India-Pakistan All-Time ODI XI

akki said:
Sehwag
Ganguly( captain )
Tendulkar
Kohli
Yuvraj or afridi
Ms dhoni
Kapil dev
Imran khan
Wasim akram
Waqar
Saqlain

I have four pacers: kapil,imran,wasim ,waqar.

One spinner saqlain or if two spinners required then might play afridi in place of yuvraj. Although sehwag,tendulkar can also bowl spin.
Dangerous batting line up till n.o 8. All batsman till n.o 8 can bat really best and with wasim akram coming at n.ò 9.
Extra -
gautam gambhir -,very underrated .he always performs in big matches.
Abdul razzaq - very good alrounder .
Harbhajan - he was a genuine fighter.
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Great team, this will be my XI too.
 
Ab Fan said:
Kapil's batting was much superior than Afridi. You cant compare stats one-on-one. In Kapil's era, we have aggressive batters like Greenidge/Miandad having SR of 65. Kapil's bowling was great as well. His ER is under 4 as well and he was the lone-warrior in bowling department. He was ranked no.1 all-rounder all through the decade for no small reasons.
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Afridi is the most brutal striker of the ball the game has ever seen, has the highest combination of wickets and runs EVER and a far superior fielder. I'd much rather have a leggy who could do all that than a 4th seamer who is half the pace of the others and nowhere as big a wicket taking threat at Wasim, Waqar and Imran. His inclusion is not good enough.
 
barah_admi said:
Afridi is the most brutal striker of the ball the game has ever seen, has the highest combination of wickets and runs EVER and a far superior fielder. I'd much rather have a leggy who could do all that than a 4th seamer who is half the pace of the others and nowhere as big a wicket taking threat at Wasim, Waqar and Imran. His inclusion is not good enough.
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Afridi main issue is his consistency , otherwise he would have made most world XI
 
Sehwag
Tendulkar
Kohli
Yuvi
Inzi
MSD
IK
Kapil
Wasim
Saqlain
Waqar

Ganguly and Anwar miss out because Sehwag and Tendulkar are there.
Ajmal misses our for being a chucker and Saqlain is there
Afridi misses our since Kapil and IK are better options than him in ODI
Yuvi, Sehwag, Sachin can bowl few overs if needed.

Zaheer abbas was ahead of his time but can’t find a place for him with the above options who are better than him..
Miandad was a fighter but doesn’t warrant a place in front of the batsmen I have listed.
 
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barah_admi said:
Afridi is the most brutal striker of the ball the game has ever seen, has the highest combination of wickets and runs EVER and a far superior fielder. I'd much rather have a leggy who could do all that than a 4th seamer who is half the pace of the others and nowhere as big a wicket taking threat at Wasim, Waqar and Imran. His inclusion is not good enough.
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If u include afridi in the team u'll have to use him as a 5th bowler. Kapil bowling is far superior to afridi and his bowling stats are similar to imran, so i don't get why he is'nt a good option. Kapil was one of the best fielders of that time and his str rate was 95 in an era where 68 70 was considered good. So he is as good a striker as afridi.
 
Tendulkar
Ganguly
Sehwag
Kohli
Inzamam/Yuvraj
MSD
Imran
Wasim
Saqlain
Shoaib Akhtar/Kumble
Waqar

Pakistani bowling attack with Inzi as the lone batter.

On a spinner's track I would maybe pick Kumble in place of Akhtar and Yuvraj in place of Inzamam
 
Justcrazy said:
Afridi main issue is his consistency , otherwise he would have made most world XI
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He was very consistent with the ball for a very long period in ODIs but as a batsman, I'd agree but with someone striking it like he does, averaging 20 odd and batting down at 7 or 8, he really is the perfect all rounder for the format. Not many are even comparable, let alone better.
 
Hafeez and Kohli in the same batting line up, that would be a mouth watering prospect.. the Lara and Tendulkar of the modern era batting together, would be a delight for cricket fans.
 
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It’s a good Pakistan team apart from Saeed Anwar’s opening partner who by probability stands as much chance of getting out for 0 as probably the two Indian openers Sehwag and Rohit getting 100s.

I would replace Afridi with Zaheer Abbas, who is about 100 times superior as a batsman to Afridi batting in any position. As for Afridi’s part time spin, well if you need to depend on ‘that’ in the presence of Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and Saqlain in your bowling attack then you know it’s not your day.
 
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Why would greatest ODI opener ever bat at no.4 for India? Also, Bhajji doesn't belong to an Indian AT ODI XI....
 
My combined ATG ODI XI :-

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Inzamam ul Haq
Yuvraj Singh
Kapil Dev (Captain)
Mahendra Singh Dhoni
Jasprit Singh Bumrah
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Shami
Saqlain Mushtaq
 
Man, things changed RAPIDLY since 2014. 10 years later, this is what such a combined XI would look like

Sachin
Rohit
Kohli
Yuvi
Dhoni
Kapil
Akram
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Shami
 
Looks like as the time passes ,only akram will be the sure starter from pak .Even imran will be thoroughly challenged by kapil.

Sachin
Rohit /(Jaiswal to be sure in the future)
Kohli
Yuvi
Dhoni
Raina
Kapil/Imran
Akram
Bumrah
Kuldeep
Shami/Akthar
 
If it's ODIs:

Anwar
Tendulkar
Kohli
Miandad
Yuvraj
Dhoni (wk)
Imran (c)
Saqlain
Wasim
RP Singh
Bumrah
 
sweep_shot said:
Tendulkar
Rohit
Kohli
Inzamam
Imran Khan (c)
Dhoni (wk)
Kapil Dev
Saqlain Mushtaq
Wasim
Shoaib Akthar
Bumrah.
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Shoaib over waqar/Shami?

Interesting. But the combo looks good. Not sure about IK at 6
Maybe 7 actually.

Yuvi bhai missing out on a lot of people's list is a shame. For me he is a pure match winner.
 
kron said:
Shoaib over waqar/Shami?

Interesting. But the combo looks good. Not sure about IK at 6
Maybe 7 actually.

Yuvi bhai missing out on a lot of people's list is a shame. For me he is a pure match winner.
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Yes.

Shoaib Akthar was box office. He was impactful.

I think he should be there for a combined all-time Pak-Ind ODI XI.

I added Yuvi initially but decided to go with Kapil Dev.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yes.

Shoaib Akthar was box office. He was impactful.

I think he should be there for a combined all-time Pak-Ind ODI XI.
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I am a huge fan of pace and hostile bowling.
Shoaib is definitely amongst my favourites. But I am not sure if I can have him in an atg 11
 
kron said:
I am a huge fan of pace and hostile bowling.
Shoaib is definitely amongst my favourites. But I am not sure if I can have him in an atg 11
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How about Shami?

There is a coincidence, Akhtar and Shami both have exact same ER in WC games. But similarity ends there. One played in 250 era and another is playing in 350 era. Shami strikes rate and averages is half than Akhtar. Shami has almost twice the wickets in simiar number of matches.

Akhtar: 19 WC games - 30 wickets Avg 25.5 SR 29 ER 5.13
Shami : 18 WC games - 55 wickets Avg 13.5 SR 15 ER 5.13
 
Buffet said:
How about Shami?

There is a coincidence, Akhtar and Shami both have exact same ER in WC games. But similarity ends there. One played in 250 era and another is playing in 350 era. Shami strikes rate and averages is half than Akhtar. Shami has almost twice the wickets in simiar number of matches.

Akhtar: 19 WC games - 30 wickets Avg 25.5 SR 29 ER 5.13
Shami : 18 WC games - 55 wickets Avg 13.5 SR 15 ER 5.13
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Shami is in my atg 11 lol

Bumrah shami easily. No doubt about it.

Infact bumrah is in my world odi 11 atg list. Shami also can easily make it tbh. Dominated 3 world cups.

Mcgrath
Bumrah
Starc
Saqlain

Could easily have shami or wasim there.

But for Asia 11 I would go with

Bumrah
Shami
Saqlain
Wasim
Imran
 
Buffet said:
How about Shami?

There is a coincidence, Akhtar and Shami both have exact same ER in WC games. But similarity ends there. One played in 250 era and another is playing in 350 era. Shami strikes rate and averages is half than Akhtar. Shami has almost twice the wickets in simiar number of matches.

Akhtar: 19 WC games - 30 wickets Avg 25.5 SR 29 ER 5.13
Shami : 18 WC games - 55 wickets Avg 13.5 SR 15 ER 5.13
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Akthar faced far more superior batters than Shami did.

These stats are meaningless because these are from two different eras.
 
sweep_shot said:
Akthar faced far more superior batters than Shami did.

These stats are meaningless because these are from two different eras.
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I did mention that one played in 250 era and other played in 350 era. Average , ER etc will go up in 350 era and not go down. I am not sure what logic you are using about era here.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yes.

Shoaib Akthar was box office. He was impactful.

I think he should be there for a combined all-time Pak-Ind ODI XI.

I added Yuvi initially but decided to go with Kapil Dev.
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Shoaib cried when Sachin and Sehwag spanked him all over like a cheap bongo drum and begged Wasim Akram to take him off the attack. He was basically cannon fodder for Viru.

Shoaib's entire career is a tale of wilting at the biggest stage. Pathetic bowler.
 
AMSS said:
Shoaib cried when Sachin and Sehwag spanked him all over like a cheap bongo drum and begged Wasim Akram to take him off the attack. He was basically cannon fodder for Viru.

Shoaib's entire career is a tale of wilting at the biggest stage. Pathetic bowler.
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'Mere se bowling nahin ho rahin hain'.
 
  1. Saeed Anwar
  2. Rohit Sharma
  3. Kohli
  4. Inzi
  5. Imran
  6. MS Dhoni
  7. Kapil
  8. Afridi
  9. Wasim Akram
  10. Saqlain Mushtaq
  11. Bumrah

Bench
Waqar, Shami, Yuvraj, Miandad
 
I'm sorry but (not sorry) no Pakistani player will sureshot make it into this hypothetical team apart from Wasim Akram and Imran Khan.

Sehwag
Rohit
Sachin
Kohli
Yuvraj
Dhoni (C/WK)
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Mohammad Shami / Saqlain Mushtaq


Inzi was a great player but no way is he a better ODI middle order batter than Yuvraj Singh. Let's not even get to Yuvi's bowling and fielding utilities.
 
Inzamam was as good as Dravid except Dravid could also keep. Dravid is not getting in India's 2nd XI.

Tough for Pakistani fans but apart from Akram who was a terrific ODI bowler, not one player, not even Imran, is good enough for a combined India-Pak XI.

Till 5 years ago, Pakistan bowlers would basically make up the entirety of bowling attack. Bumrah, Shami and Kuldeep have completely shut down any debate now. There's only Akram and he's likely to stay as a legit contender for LONG time in such hypothetical XI.

Anwar, Maindad, Inzi...all these are not good enough for India's 2nd XI, just like Dravid. If Gill, Jaiswal, and Pant carry on their trajectory, we'd probably have no Pakistani batsman/wkeeper in even 2nd and 3rd combined XIs.
 
Mesozoic said:
I'm sorry but (not sorry) no Pakistani player will sureshot make it into this hypothetical team apart from Wasim Akram and Imran Khan.

Sehwag
Rohit
Sachin
Kohli
Yuvraj
Dhoni (C/WK)
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Mohammad Shami / Saqlain Mushtaq


Inzi was a great player but no way is he a better ODI middle order batter than Yuvraj Singh. Let's not even get to Yuvi's bowling and fielding utilities.
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No offense bro but it feels more like an Indo XI... you could easily add Razzaq and Yousuf here in ur list.
 
AMSS said:
Inzamam was as good as Dravid except Dravid could also keep. Dravid is not getting in India's 2nd XI.

Tough for Pakistani fans but apart from Akram who was a terrific ODI bowler, not one player, not even Imran, is good enough for a combined India-Pak XI.

Till 5 years ago, Pakistan bowlers would basically make up the entirety of bowling attack. Bumrah, Shami and Kuldeep have completely shut down any debate now. There's only Akram and he's likely to stay as a legit contender for LONG time in such hypothetical XI.

Anwar, Maindad, Inzi...all these are not good enough for India's 2nd XI, just like Dravid. If Gill, Jaiswal, and Pant carry on their trajectory, we'd probably have no Pakistani batsman/wkeeper in even 2nd and 3rd combined XIs.
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Shut down debate for deluded Indians only.

You guys can select your own grandfather's in the all time XI and consider it shutting down debate if you like.
 
Rohit
Tendulkar
Kohli
Inzy
Yuvi
MSD(c/wkt)
Kapil
Wasim
Saqlain
Shami
Bumrah

That's the likely and most unbiased XI you can make. Inzy may need a runner while batting with Kohli so I might drop him and play Zaheer Abbas or Miandad instead.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Shut down debate for deluded Indians only.

You guys can select your own grandfather's in the all time XI and consider it shutting down debate if you like.
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I believe Inzamam is a definite contender for a middle order spot and even though i too acknowledge the domination of Bharatiya cricketers in such an ATG team if we are considering ODI cricket specifically but because of the nature of this hypothetical team inclusion of Inzamam makes a lot of sense.

1. Tendulkar (locked)
2. Sharma (top contender) vs Sehwag, Anwar, Ganguly
3. Kohli (locked)

The top 3 is going to be explosive hence 4,5 batters must provide stability in case there’s a collapse situation and if that is kept in mind Inzamam becomes the first choice middle order batter hence he made my team.

So it’s like this for me :-

4. Inzamam (top contender) vs Miandad, Azharuddin, Gambhir, Dravid

Inzamam, Miandad and Dravid however must not coexist in the middle order if we are playing by modern era mentality

Hence i picked Yuvraj at #5

6,7 is locked by Dhoni, Kapil
 
Bhaijaan said:
My combined ATG ODI XI :-

Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Inzamam ul Haq
Yuvraj Singh
Kapil Dev (Captain)
Mahendra Singh Dhoni
Jasprit Singh Bumrah
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Shami
Saqlain Mushtaq
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I picked Shoaib Akhtar over Wasim Akram because i need Shoaib Akhtar’s X factor.

Besides, Wasim’s not needed anymore now that Shami has surpassed him in ODIs.

Shoaib Akhtar remains a differentiator.
 
  1. Rohit
  2. Sewag
  3. Kohli
  4. Tendulkar
  5. Yuvraj
  6. MS Dhoni
  7. Imran
  8. Wasim Akram
  9. Shoaib Akhtar/Shami
  10. Bumrah
  11. Kuldeep

No way is the obese Inzi getting into that XI or any pakistani batsman for that matter.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
No offense bro but it feels more like an Indo XI... you could easily add Razzaq and Yousuf here in ur list.
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Mercurial players like Razzaq usually don't make into such all time XIs.

And Yousuf is not even better than Inzy so not sure how he can make it.
 
Mesozoic said:
Mercurial players like Razzaq usually don't make into such all time XIs.

And Yousuf is not even better than Inzy so not sure how he can make it.
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Yousuf on paper is better than Inzi.. u can check their stats

Yousuf ODI Average: 41.71...... SR: 75.10.... 100s: 15
Inzi ODI Average: 39.52..... SR: 74.24... 100s: 10

so how come Inzi is better than yousuf?
 
1. Saeed Anwar
2. Inzamam (he opened in early part of his career)
3. Salim Malik
4. Javed Miandad
5. Yousuf
6. Imran Khan (c)
7. Moin Khan
8. Wasim Akram
9. Shoaib Akhtar
10. Waqar Younis
11. Saqlain
 
TheSultan said:
1. Saeed Anwar
2. Inzamam (he opened in early part of his career)
3. Salim Malik
4. Javed Miandad
5. Yousuf
6. Imran Khan (c)
7. Moin Khan
8. Wasim Akram
9. Shoaib Akhtar
10. Waqar Younis
11. Saqlain
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Nice :yk

Although Zaheer Abbas should have been the first name amongst the batsmen.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Looks like as the time passes ,only akram will be the sure starter from pak .Even imran will be thoroughly challenged by kapil.

Sachin
Rohit /(Jaiswal to be sure in the future)
Kohli
Yuvi
Dhoni
Raina
Kapil/Imran
Akram
Bumrah
Kuldeep
Shami/Akthar
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Wasim will always make it cause he won a WC and reached another final.

Shoaib and Waqar unfortunately do not get in over shami. Shami has an insanely good odi record.
 
It's shocking how abominable pakistan's historical batting stock is with Inzi and maybe Anwar as their best bats. Neither good enough for India's 2nd XI.

Inzamam's WC average of 23 is another shocker. It's a good thing he fluked a couple of innings in 1992 because clearly he was a choker much like most pakistani bats. Lmao, imagine inserting this mediocre obese embarrassment in an ATG XI.
 
sweep_shot said:
This is an ODI XI.

Zaheer Abbas could've been added if it was a Test XI.
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Zaheer Abbas averages 48 at 85 str rate in odis with 7 centuries in 60 matches.
His average in odi world cup is 50 at 80 str rate

He is easily Pakistans best ever ODI batsman.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Zaheer Abbas averages 48 at 85 str rate in odis with 7 centuries in 60 matches.
His average in odi world cup is 50 at 80 str rate

He is easily Pakistans best ever ODI batsman.
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60 matches? Not enough sample.

ATG team should have players with far more matches.

Zaheer should get in for Test XI but not ODI XI.
 
AMSS said:
It's shocking how abominable pakistan's historical batting stock is with Inzi and maybe Anwar as their best bats. Neither good enough for India's 2nd XI.

Inzamam's WC average of 23 is another shocker. It's a good thing he fluked a couple of innings in 1992 because clearly he was a choker much like most pakistani bats. Lmao, imagine inserting this mediocre obese embarrassment in an ATG XI.
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And ofcourse there is the harsh fact that not one single ATG from their side has tasted a victory in ODI WC vs their sworn enemies. 32 years and counting !. Priceless ownage!
 
DeadlyVenom said:
  1. Saeed Anwar
  2. Rohit Sharma
  3. Kohli
  4. Inzi
  5. Imran
  6. MS Dhoni
  7. Kapil
  8. Afridi
  9. Wasim Akram
  10. Saqlain Mushtaq
  11. Bumrah

Bench
Waqar, Shami, Yuvraj, Miandad
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Tendulkar >>>>> Anwar
Sehwag, Azhar, Dravid, Dhawan, Ganguly >>>> Inzi ( Take your pick lol )
Yuvi > Imran
Kumble > Saqlain
Ashwin, Jadeja, Hardik >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afridi ( again take your pick lol )

Only Akram gets in un-challenged.
 
AMSS said:
It's shocking how abominable pakistan's historical batting stock is with Inzi and maybe Anwar as their best bats. Neither good enough for India's 2nd XI.

Inzamam's WC average of 23 is another shocker. It's a good thing he fluked a couple of innings in 1992 because clearly he was a choker much like most pakistani bats. Lmao, imagine inserting this mediocre obese embarrassment in an ATG XI.
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Bit harsh. Inzi was a good batsman though.

Atleast he played some clutch knocks but wow average of 23. Did not expect that.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Zaheer Abbas averages 48 at 85 str rate in odis with 7 centuries in 60 matches.
His average in odi world cup is 50 at 80 str rate

He is easily Pakistans best ever ODI batsman.
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Zaheer is good but had serious weakness vs pace and bounce.
 
uppercut said:
Tendulkar >>>>> Anwar
Sehwag, Azhar, Dravid, Dhawan, Ganguly >>>> Inzi ( Take your pick lol )
Yuvi > Imran
Kumble > Saqlain
Ashwin, Jadeja, Hardik >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Afridi ( again take your pick lol )

Only Akram gets in un-challenged.
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Agreed. Yuvi not being on anyone's list is criminal.

Also shami should be an automatic entry.
 
kron said:
Wasim will always make it cause he won a WC and reached another final.

Shoaib and Waqar unfortunately do not get in over shami. Shami has an insanely good odi record.
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As am fan of akthar, I have added him shamelessly. He will be useful for bullying small teams.waqar don't have any business in atg side.
 
barah_admi said:
He was very consistent with the ball for a very long period in ODIs but as a batsman, I'd agree but with someone striking it like he does, averaging 20 odd and batting down at 7 or 8, he really is the perfect all rounder for the format. Not many are even comparable, let alone better.
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You are not playing players much better than him at that number.
 
In Indian Conditions

Saeed Anwar
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli.
Javed Miandad
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Saqlain Mustaq
Abdul Qadir
Shoaib Akhtar.

Batting till Abdul Qadir

5 specialist bowlers , along with two part timer as spinners in Yuvraj & Tendulkar.
 
TalhaSyed said:
I'm sure there may be a thread somewhere buried away on this, but I came across a post on FB with the following Indo-Pak All Time XI



So what do you make of the above team and what changes would you make?

PS. I skimmed through the article and it looks like the team is for ODI's
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Saeed Anwar
Sachin Tendulkar
Virat Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Javed Miandad
MS Dhoni
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Saqlain Mustaq
 
AMSS said:
It's shocking how abominable pakistan's historical batting stock is with Inzi and maybe Anwar as their best bats. Neither good enough for India's 2nd XI.

Inzamam's WC average of 23 is another shocker. It's a good thing he fluked a couple of innings in 1992 because clearly he was a choker much like most pakistani bats. Lmao, imagine inserting this mediocre obese embarrassment in an ATG XI.
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You can’t be a choker if you succeeded at your first attempt at a semi final and final!

Sure he could have done better in subsequent world cups. But you can’t call him a choker.

Some people choked at their first attempt. And at their second attempt. It’s very sad really.
 
Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Inzamam Ul Haq
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni (WK) (C)
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Saqlain Mushtaq

I think this is a nice and balanced XI that has a little bit of everything. I would have liked a speedster like Shoaib or perhaps a rocket opener like Sehwag but it's unnecessary when loaded with such talent.
 
kingusama92 said:
Sachin Tendulkar
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Inzamam Ul Haq
Yuvraj Singh
MS Dhoni (WK) (C)
Imran Khan
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Jasprit Bumrah
Saqlain Mushtaq

I think this is a nice and balanced XI that has a little bit of everything. I would have liked a speedster like Shoaib or perhaps a rocket opener like Sehwag but it's unnecessary when loaded with such talent.
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That's right and strongest possible side but you have to put a disclaimer that Imran will be used as a floater batsman because at that position, it is not worth putting a bet on his batting and hence some may pick Waqar/Shami/Shoaib instead.

I think Imran should be either at 8-9 or 4-5.
 
So i think most people here seem to believe Inzamam ul Haq is the best middle order ODI batsman among Bharat & Pakistan both.

I think it’s well deserved.
Inzamam was a very reliable middle order batter who could when needed smash some quick runs as well. Technically very sound. Good against pace and spin.

Only thing i have against him is his overall WC record. Except that semi final knock in 1992, he’s been extremely poor. Nevertheless I too selected him in my team based on his overall record giving him an exception.

I had a tough choice because there I had him competing against Miandad, Dravid, Ganguly, Gambhir, Azharuddin, Yousuf for that spot it’s the only debatable spot actually in my batting line except maybe Sharma vs Sehwag/Anwar/Dhawan/Ganguly
 
Ab Fan said:
That's right and strongest possible side but you have to put a disclaimer that Imran will be used as a floater batsman because at that position, it is not worth putting a bet on his batting and hence some may pick Waqar/Shami/Shoaib instead.

I think Imran should be either at 8-9 or 4-5.
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Totally agree, I definitely see him being used as a floater batsman.

I see him and Kapil as pressure-release options in my XI with the bat. Both can handle all types of pressure, offer excellent leadership, and are all-rounders of the highest caliber. You obviously get their bowling skill but they can easily manage the odd tough situation with the bat if somehow the superstars in front of them struggle.

I know some posters prefer the specialist-heavy XI but that's not for me. I think those are the types of teams that would fall apart because there's limited flexibility when something goes wrong.

Basically why I think there's no place for Waqar, Shoaib, or Shami. All are class but too restricted.
 
TheSultan said:
You can’t be a choker if you succeeded at your first attempt at a semi final and final!

Sure he could have done better in subsequent world cups. But you can’t call him a choker.

Some people choked at their first attempt. And at their second attempt. It’s very sad really.
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I understand and respect your deep feelings for pakistani players but I am afraid this is nothing more than putting a lipstick on a pig. It'll remain a pig.

Many, many players have fluked memorable performances in WCs. And frankly, credit to Inzamam he has that trophy. But that average of 23 across 4 WC cannot be swept under the carpet. Forget raising his game on the grandest stage, he consistently choked. If he had performed similar to his career average in WCs, I'd not call his 1992 performances fluke, but the evidence of his consistent choke is clear as day.
 
Of course, the fact that Inzamam was also a VERY POOR player of pace also goes against his claim for any spot in such an XI. His record in world cups and against best pace attacks of his time is ABYSMAL.
 
Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Javed Miandad
Younis Khan
Inzimam Ul Haq
Imran Khan (c)
MS Dhoni (wk)
Wasim Akram
Shoaib Akhtar
Abdul Qadir
Bishen Bedi / Waqar Younis (dependent on conditions)

Bench: Sachin Tendulkar, Babar Azam & Mohammad Rizwan
 
Unleashed said:
People really putting Anwar and Akthar over Rohit and Bumrah :ROFLMAO:
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Scoring against debashish mohanty, kuruvilla, run machine ankola and prasad is not the same as scoring vs bumrah shami kuldeep pandya and siraj.

Anwar would have found it very hard vs pesk india odi attack of modern times.
 
shaz619 said:
Saeed Anwar
Hanif Mohammad
Javed Miandad
Younis Khan
Inzimam Ul Haq
Imran Khan (c)
MS Dhoni (wk)
Wasim Akram
Shoaib Akhtar
Abdul Qadir
Bishen Bedi / Waqar Younis (dependent on conditions)

Bench: Sachin Tendulkar, Babar Azam & Mohammad Rizwan
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Would remove dhoni and have rizwan or Latif and then it would be perfect. For a 4th place finish.
 
Saeed Anwar
Zaheer Abbas
Virat kohli
Inzmam ul haq
Javed miandad
Ms dhoni(wk)
Yuvraj singh
Imran khan
Wasim akram
Saqlain mushtaq
Shoaib akhtar

Water boy - the little guy Sachin or whatever his name is.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Some Indians are legit putting Kuldeep ahead of Saqlain and expect to be taken seriously.
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The only rationale could be that modern day cricket favours a quality chinaman more than a classic off spinner. For me, honestly it was Saqlain vs Kuldeep and I went with Saqlain. For others maybe the rationale i mentioned played a part.

Record wise however,
Saqlain is an ATG ODI spinner. Arguably the greatest.


Among Bharatiya spinners, Kuldeep has been a bigger game changer in ODIs than Harbhajan, Ashwin, Jadeja and that cucky i forgot his name.

Just ahead of Kumble and that could be controversial for many. But Kuldeep has been a match winner.
 
Ab Fan said:
The biggest problem and also one can think of it as a funny side with having Inzy at #4 in this team is that most will have Kohli batting at 3 and watching them rotate strike and build partnership will be absolutely comical stuff 😂
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That’s a good point actually. Kohli and Inzy out there is a disaster for both. Kohli’s game is heavily dependent on strike rotation.
 
Honestly with Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Qadir, Mushy and saqlain (at all their peaks) at your disposal, I don’t see how any Pakistani would want any other bowlers from any other country, forget India.

The only Indian I would consider as a player would be Dhoni as a keeper. But then recently I’ve just rewatched some footage of Moin saving our behinds time and again. Gotta have him in, but I can understand if someone picks Dhoni ahead of him.
 
Ab Fan said:
The biggest problem and also one can think of it as a funny side with having Inzy at #4 in this team is that most will have Kohli batting at 3 and watching them rotate strike and build partnership will be absolutely comical stuff 😂
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This made me lol
 
TheSultan said:
Honestly with Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Qadir, Mushy and saqlain (at all their peaks) at your disposal, I don’t see how any Pakistani would want any other bowlers from any other country, forget India.

The only Indian I would consider as a player would be Dhoni as a keeper. But then recently I’ve just rewatched some footage of Moin saving our behinds time and again. Gotta have him in, but I can understand if someone picks Dhoni ahead of him.
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Could say the same for atg india team. Don't see anyone getting into the atg odi 11 barring wasim and imran and saqlain.

Rest all will be indian players in an ATG india pak lineup
 
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