India-Pakistan counterclaims of attack by Indian Army access line of control

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India said on Thursday it had conducted "surgical strikes" on suspected militants preparing to infiltrate from Pakistan-ruled Kashmir, making its first direct military response to an attack on an army base it blames on Pakistan.

The cross-border action inflicted "significant casualties", the Indian army's head of operations told reporters in New Delhi. It was not immediately clear whether they involved any incursion by Indian troops across the Line of Control that runs through disputed Kashmir.

The Pakistani military said no such strike had taken place but that there had been an exchange of firing at the frontier.

The Indian military announcement followed through on Prime Minister Narendra Modi's warning that those responsible "would not go unpunished" for a Sept. 18 attack on an Indian army base at Uri, near the frontier, that killed 18 soldiers.

The strikes also raised the possibility of a military escalation between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan that would wreck a 2003 Kashmir ceasefire.

Lt General Ranbir Singh, the Indian army's director general of military operations, said the strikes were launched on Wednesday based on "very specific and credible information that some terrorist units had positioned themselves to infiltrate".

The strikes had caused "significant casualties", Singh also said, adding he had called his Pakistani counterpart to inform him of the casualties.

Pakistan said two of its soldiers had been killed and nine wounded in an exchange of fire across the de facto border in the Himalayan region.

"There had been cross-border fire initiated and conducted by India, which is an existential phenomenon," the press wing of the Pakistani military said.

"As per rules of engagement same was strongly and befittingly responded by Pakistani troops."

NO MORE STRATEGIC RESTRAINT

The Indian action represents a departure from a traditional policy of strategic restraint in the face of what New Delhi sees as cross-border terrorist acts that it believes are sponsored by the Pakistani state.

"The bigger message is that Pakistan is now on notice that cross-border attacks would be part of our response if there are any more terrorist attacks," said former Indian air vice marshal Manmohan Bahadur.

It also comes at a particularly delicate time for Pakistan, with powerful Army Chief of Staff General Raheel Sharif due to retire shortly and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif still to decide on a successor.

The Indian stock market fell heavily on the announcement, with the benchmark NSE Index falling by up to 2 percent in Mumbai and a key "fear index" that measures volatility rising to a three-month high.

India announced its retaliation at a news conference in New Delhi that was hurriedly called, only to be delayed, as Modi chaired a meeting of his cabinet committee on security to be briefed on the operation.

"The prime minister is clear that this is exactly what we should have done," a senior government official told Reuters on condition of anonymity. "Informing the world about the surgical strike was important today."

SIX-HOUR EXCHANGE

Exchanges of fire took place in the Bhimber, Hot Spring, Kel and Lipa sectors in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, and lasted about six hours, the Pakistani military said earlier.

An Indian army officer in Kashmir said there had been shelling from the Pakistani side of the border into the Nowgam district, near the Line of Control, and the exchange of fire was continuing.

There were no casualties or damage reported on the Indian side of the LoC.

Both India and Pakistan claim Kashmir in full, but govern separate parts, and have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947, two of them over Kashmir.

Tension between the South Asian rivals has been high since an Indian crackdown on dissent in Kashmir following the killing by security forces of Burhan Wani, a young separatist leader, in July.

They rose further when New Delhi blamed Pakistan for the Uri attack, which inflicted the heavies toll on the Indian army of any single incident in 14 years.

India has been ratcheting up pressure on Pakistan, seeking to diplomatically isolate it at the U.N. General Assembly in New York and winning expressions of condemnation from the United States, Britain and France over the attack.

China, another of the permanent members of the UN Security Council and a traditional ally of Pakistan, has urged dialogue between the two antagonists.

On Wednesday, officials from several countries said a November summit of a the South Asian regional group due to be held in Islamabad may be called off after India, Bangladesh and Afghanistan said they would not attend.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN11Z0IJ?il=0
 
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Just saw some updates in Twitter reg strikes by Indian army along LOC. Are there any significant causalities reported in PAK media?
 
Stupid move. The NSE lost over 2% points. India should focus on the economy and increase military tech to monitor borders better.
 
This is nothing but some TRPs for Media. So just for politics India has to show something and they are trying to show something in the media.

so to me its just a farce. India or Pakistan should not cross each other's LOC but work to defend its territory with such a technological capability that no non-state or state actors can take advantage
 
This is a False Claim and It is mocked in Pakistan.

India would think billion times before doing Surgical Strikes in Pakistan.


Both Countries cannot Afford War.


Due to this Lie Indian Stock Exchange suffered quite abit.


Very Unprofessional Statement from Indian DGMO.
 
Peace brings in investment absolutely terrible considering we are third world,never was a fan of nuclear missiles(still wonder if it was worth it) if we had signed NTBT we could had proper investments in our country long ago,should get more investment get people educated and have proper defense mechanism.
 
Let's take it on face value..... Indians went 2 km inside territory... para dropped commandos .... suffered no casualties and killed all... not to mention returned safely.

Surely must have used catapults to throw the commandos over the LOC, otherwise the noise of aircraft would have given them away. Every part is heavily monitored.

Even the most jingoistic can see this is too good to be true.
 
This is a False Claim and It is mocked in Pakistan.

India would think billion times before doing Surgical Strikes in Pakistan.


Both Countries cannot Afford War.


Due to this Lie Indian Stock Exchange suffered quite abit.


Very Unprofessional Statement from Indian DGMO.

They probably got their associates to short (way to profit from falling market) it yesterday..... all conjecture ofcourse.
 
India had cornered themselves into having to do something, with all the rhetoric they have been spewing over the past few days.

Their definition of surgical strikes has not been given, and no further details were offered other than the statements made.

Also have to remember that India has been disuadded by the US before when itching to carry out such strikes.

So there is every chance it was 'routine' firing which is being played up by the Indian establishment to try and 'end' the dispute in their favour.

From a Pak point of view, assuming there were indeed surgical strikes carried out, it would probably be wise to play it down anyway. There is no gain to be made in escalating the conflict.

In reality, its great for both sides. Both can claim a 'win', and no one will ever know.
 
No one will agree even if it happens,remember in 1999 civil govn of Pak was saying one thing and Pak army later came and said another ,how Shariff handles this will create/break civil govn.
 
Indian forces are not capable of carrying out such operations .
Dont think you can airdrop across the LOC . Kill people and than walk away on foot .
Notice how similar the news is to the one the Indian govt tried to break a few days earlier .
Just to ease pressure from domestic audience , nothing more .
Sensible indian analysts have not fallen for it either.
 
All logical points raised by Pakistanis and yes indeed questions should be asked, it sounds all too fanciful to me honestly.

But then I also think all these attacks within Pakistan, be it on their naval station or the Army school- did they come under the same scrutiny- or were these false flag attacks as well, to give some quarter within Pakistan more traction and consolidate their power. These were not some civilian spots, where any Jameel, Farid could walk in and cause mayhem.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander as well- all conjecture offcourse.
 
http://tribune.com.pk/story/1190515/iran-fires-mortar-shells-pakistan/

QUETTA:
The Iranian Border Guards fired mortar shells in Balochistan; however, no loss of life was reported.

According to the Levies force, the Iranian border guards fired three mortar shells in the city of Panjgur on Wednesday. The levies officials said, “the mortar shells explosion created fear among the people living near the area.”

Pakistan shares a 900-kilometre border with Iran and the two countries in 2014 decided to boost intelligence coordination to wipe out terrorists from the border region. However, Iran has violated border treaty many times. Pakistan has taken up the issue with Iranian officials in Joint Pak-Iran Border Session.

Last year, Iranian border guards had also fired three mortar shells in the Mashkel area of Washuk district of Balochistan. During that incident as well no damage of life was reported.

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IRAN is one weird country.
 
Let's take it on face value..... Indians went 2 km inside territory... para dropped commandos .... suffered no casualties and killed all... not to mention returned safely.

Surely must have used catapults to throw the commandos over the LOC, otherwise the noise of aircraft would have given them away. Every part is heavily monitored.

Even the most jingoistic can see this is too good to be true.

Come on!!!! Do not talk sense.
When their populace believes in spy pigeons ( They said there was something written in Urdu on a pigeon as if we are stupid and we could not learn hindi writing style to avoid this suspicion even if we use pigeons),the act of crossing border from kashmir out of all places and even funnier thing is that they carried medicines made in Pakistan to Uri.(why would they want to reveal their association with Pakistan in such a suicide attack?),thy can believe anything.
 
Quite frankly, the media posturing has been quite pathetic to see. Both sides whipping the other in a frenzy over events. Looking through google news articles, Indian media is quite happy to announce this as a victory for their gullible readers not looking at the ramifications of such an event.
 
I highly doubt Indian soldiers crossed the border, killed Pak soldiers and then just walked away Scott free.

It's probable they fired weapons from their side of the border across the line and playing this incident up for domestic consumption because the Indian media had been baying for some form retaliation.
 
Why will you claim responsibility for a covert operation? It just does not make sense. It may just be routine cross-border firing being played up here.
 
Pak Army will deny to save face and to cap the escalation.

So far every statement coming out of India has merely been propaganda or a lie.
Every single one . Your own.countrymen are ripping into.your government Propahanda machine.
 
Pak Army will deny to save face and to cap the escalation.

Of course, Pak army are scared and weak like Kashmir who can not fight back.

They must have laid down thier arms as soon as they saw the Indian army.

Maybe they should do better security rounds at their camps instead.
 
Lo ji .
Retired general Panag has a very interesting take on the Rhetoric . Jumlabaazi for public consumption from the indian government , nothing else .
This coming from a guy who knows the Indian DGMO personally .
 
After many years my arteries and veins are swollen with the pumping of patriotic blood. Never felt so proud and patriotic ever. Thanks Modi ji!! You are a real rockstar!
 
Lo ji .
Retired general Panag has a very interesting take on the Rhetoric . Jumlabaazi for public consumption from the indian government , nothing else .
This coming from a guy who knows the Indian DGMO personally.

This is true, They are childhood friends and studied in same school
 
Of course, Pak army are scared and weak like Kashmir who can not fight back.

They must have laid down thier arms as soon as they saw the Indian army.

Maybe they should do better security rounds at their camps instead.

Pakistan also denied Kargil
 
Pakistan also denied Kargil

Yes of course they did.

And I'm sure Indian media has never lied have they ? I haven't seen so much propaganda in the last 2 weeks.

If your soldiers cross the border you will get a fitting reply. Maybe in Sunny Deols world it can happen.
 
Why is Sunny Deol being dragged here so often, the dude played even an ISI officer in one of the movies cmon guys he is a good actor he holds nothing against Pakistan, no stupid media statements ever.
 
There will be video evidence - we will soon find out whether this actually happened or not.
 
If such strikes happened, then I am sure India will have full Pakistani support. Afterall, fight against terror is a common agenda.
 
Indian special forces must be the most elite in the world. They crossed over into the most heavily monitored border in the world evading all radar and conducted operation against 6-8 camps 3km inside Azad Kashmir and then walked out on foot suffering ZERO losses.

Wow that is some special kind of skill, even the US lost a chopper when they came for Osama.

Forget the Spetnaz we should ask the Indians to give us training.
 
From past experience, I doubt India has the capability to execute a 'surgical strike' against a bunch of school children, let alone the Pakistani army.
 
From past experience, I doubt India has the capability to execute a 'surgical strike' against a bunch of school children, let alone the Pakistani army.

Pretty ironical you mentioned school children and Army in one sentence.
 
From past experience, I doubt India has the capability to execute a 'surgical strike' against a bunch of school children, let alone the Pakistani army.

never underestimate your enemy :srt
few have had similar opinon abt our army from 1947 and it didnt end wel
 
it's just to save Modi from embarrassment after imense pressure to do something.
 
Pak Army will deny to save face and to cap the escalation.

Yes 'ghar mai ghuss kay maaraingay' the script seems straight out of a phantom movie, you don't need to go any further than Arnab Ghuswami and Rahul Kanwal to associate Indian army with Delta Force and Call of Duty type pictures in their evidence of crossing borders :)))
 
Indian special forces must be the most elite in the world. They crossed over into the most heavily monitored border in the world evading all radar and conducted operation against 6-8 camps 3km inside Azad Kashmir and then walked out on foot suffering ZERO losses.

Wow that is some special kind of skill, even the US lost a chopper when they came for Osama.

Forget the Spetnaz we should ask the Indians to give us training.

According to Zarrar Khuhro, definitely used some new Romulun Cloaking devices to avoid being seen by our people :)))
 
In other news, Virender Sehwag has become public enemy number 1 for Pakistan..

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Of course, Pak army are scared and weak like Kashmir who can not fight back.

They must have laid down thier arms as soon as they saw the Indian army.

Maybe they should do better security rounds at their camps instead.

Pakistan denied Kargil.Denied OBL was in Pakistan.Denied Tailban chief was in Pakistan.So lying is nothing new for PA.

No wonder they are denying this to save face and cap the escalation.
 
News from foreign sources coming in that a "public announcement " was needed to raise the moral of the Indian forces post Uri . Hence the choice of the term "surgical strikes " .
I dont know how lies can raise moral or may be they can .
 
Sanjiv once again under massive attack by bhakts for not following the propaganda machine blindly ;)

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Pakistan denied Kargil.Denied OBL was in Pakistan.Denied Tailban chief was in Pakistan.So lying is nothing new for PA.

No wonder they are denying this to save face and cap the escalation.
Lol the Indian media in its excitement broke this exact story 4 or 5 days earlier than when it was supposed to play out .
Haha at least read your own analysts .
 
News from foreign sources coming in that a "public announcement " was needed to raise the moral of the Indian forces post Uri . Hence the choice of the term "surgical strikes " .
I dont know how lies can raise moral or may be they can .

Pakistani should know a lot about it- one Pakistani soldier greater than 10 Indian soldiers, Kargil misreporting and if I go back 71 reporting.

Helps to look inwards sometimes, applies to Indians as well- but then Pakistanis have been preaching it for 10 days and seems like have forgotten about it themselves.
 

Finally CNN are covering something as the BBC and Sky have virtually said nothing about these so called surgical strikes. Shows how much they have been paying to the mass Indian media hysteria lately.

So 2 soldiers killed in cross border fire which happens anyway.

I Just read the NDTV report - the Indian army attacked 7 so called terrorist launch pads, killed many and then returned easily before sunset with no casualties.

Seriously Bollywood should make a movie on such fantasy journalism by some of these Indian media outlets.
 
Finally CNN are covering something as the BBC and Sky have virtually said nothing about these so called surgical strikes. Shows how much they have been paying to the mass Indian media hysteria lately.

So 2 soldiers killed in cross border fire which happens anyway.

Just read the NDTV report - the Indian army attacked 7 so called terrorist launch pads, killed many and then returned easily before sunset with no casualties.

Seriously Bollywood should make a movie on such fantasy journalism by some of these Indian media outlets.

Dunno what you on about, been there on BBC since 9 am BST
 
BBC are saying it was all along the border and probably cross-border shelling.

There is no way any Indian air force or helicopter can just waltz in across the most heavily militarised border. If they could they would have done so after Mumbai.
 
Pakistan denied Kargil.Denied OBL was in Pakistan.Denied Tailban chief was in Pakistan.So lying is nothing new for PA.

No wonder they are denying this to save face and cap the escalation.

Says an Indian Chest thumping Modi nationalist talking nonsense on a Pak forum.

Only 2 days ago you lied on this forum about the water being diverted and when challenged you ran off like a coward.

Your Indian army is only good at killing Kashmiri protesters.
 
Dunno what you on about, been there on BBC since 9 am BST

Yeah whatever, I flicked the channels enough times between CNN, BBC and Sky.

Hardly anything, especially in the first 10 mins.

But of course nothing but mass hysteria from the Indian side as if a war has begun and they have achieved something.
 
Yeah whatever, I flicked the channels enough times between CNN, BBC and Sky.

Hardly anything, especially in the first 10 mins.

But of course nothing but mass hysteria from the Indian side as if a war has begun and they have achieved something.

Well I was just calling your false statement that nothing on BBC- good you have admitted to a false statement, same thing that you are accusing GOI of :)

Hopefully GOI will come up soon with a correct statement and so will ISPR
 
Surgical strike is of two kind. One which is the most common form is to bomb specific targets deep inside enemy territory through fighter jets. The other form is to para drop special ops soldiers by helicopter or plane inside enemy territory, they will conduct a swift action against specified target and will be air lifted back.

Now tell me honestly can an Indian helicopter violate Pakistani air space without the latter's knowledge or response? And people should know that crossing LOC by foot is next to impossible as both sides had filled the area in front of their border with land mines and for a group of special ops force to cross it is nothing but a lie.
 
Surgical strike is of two kind. One which is the most common form is to bomb specific targets deep inside enemy territory through fighter jets. The other form is to para drop special ops soldiers by helicopter or plane inside enemy territory, they will conduct a swift action against specified target and will be air lifted back.

Now tell me honestly can an Indian helicopter violate Pakistani air space without the latter's knowledge or response? And people should know that crossing LOC by foot is next to impossible as both sides had filled the area in front of their border with land mines and for a group of special ops force to cross it is nothing but a lie.

If Joshila bhai says it happened it happened.
 
Pakistan denied Kargil.Denied OBL was in Pakistan.Denied Tailban chief was in Pakistan.So lying is nothing new for PA.

No wonder they are denying this to save face and cap the escalation.

According to India 100's of people killed in Kashmir never happened, thousands injured. Women and children gross violation of human rights.. nothing on Indian Media, there was a media and cellphone coverage blackout in July/August to prevent the world from knowing what went on in Kashmir and lie to your own people
 
Pakistani channels running videos of two Indian soldiers being blown up.
 
Just reading:

Indian army's statement itself does not not indicate any strike IN Pakistan. :facepalm:
 
"Based on receiving specific and credible inputs that some terrorist teams had positioned themselves at launch pads along the Line of Control to carry out infiltration and conduct terrorist strikes inside Jammu and Kashmir and in various metros in other states, the Indian army conducted surgical strikes at several of these launch pads to pre-empt infiltration by terrorists," a statement said.
It said the "surgical strikes" had caused "significant damage to terrorists".
But the army did not say whether troops had entered Pakistan-administered Kashmir or had fired across the border.

BBC
 
"Based on receiving specific and credible inputs that some terrorist teams had positioned themselves at launch pads along the Line of Control to carry out infiltration and conduct terrorist strikes inside Jammu and Kashmir and in various metros in other states, the Indian army conducted surgical strikes at several of these launch pads to pre-empt infiltration by terrorists," a statement said.
It said the "surgical strikes" had caused "significant damage to terrorists".
But the army did not say whether troops had entered Pakistan-administered Kashmir or had fired across the border.

BBC

Maybe some of the chest thumping Indian posters need to read this and analyse it.

I know their Indian media will keep feeding them lies and nonsense to give them some false satisfaction but they should read independent media sources to know the reality.
 
Maybe some of the chest thumping Indian posters need to read this and analyse it.

I know their Indian media will keep feeding them lies and nonsense to give them some false satisfaction but they should read independent media sources to know the reality.

The statement is designed to be deliberately vague, it satisfies the blind while not admitting to any act of war. I am surprised it took them this long to make a phantom attack.
 
According to Tehelka News: Additional forces of BSF moved in and killed 38 terrorists in 1 hour.

Well done Saif Ali Khan and the Bollywood you guys are just too good :bow:
 
After heavy criticism Modi Ji has clarified that he said some Indian Army Surgeons were on strike and not that the Indian Army conducted surgical strikes :p
 
Maybe some of the chest thumping Indian posters need to read this and analyse it.

I know their Indian media will keep feeding them lies and nonsense to give them some false satisfaction but they should read independent media sources to know the reality.

If you read it and digest it then you would understand that what it does say is no mention of the what was the mode of the operation, and not that the Op did not take place.

Before you accuse me of a fan boy, I have already stated I find the Op quite fanciful, same as the Uri base attack and also similar attacks in Pakistan on their military assets.
 
Maybe some of the chest thumping Indian posters need to read this and analyse it.

I know their Indian media will keep feeding them lies and nonsense to give them some false satisfaction but they should read independent media sources to know the reality.

Exactly. Specially feeding the Media with some non-sense all 24 hours. I am all for curbs on these fanatic media which looks for TRP opportunities all the time.

I dont think India or Pakistan should cross LoC or afford to cross LoC but infact make the defense tight.

I know some of the comments are in very bad taste.
 
I love indian media it's actually better thn their comedy movies ;)

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