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India v New Zealand | 2nd Test | Sep 30-Oct 4, 2016 | Day 3

sensible-indian-fan said:
If the pitch is uneven and bowling is good, tail can be out in 15 minutes. Miguel Cummins did that in WI.

However if this is just a passing phase and if these 2 play out a tough 10-15 overs, then yeah....tail will wag.
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Yes, the last 4 wickets went for only 14 runs in the 3rd WI test, but that was an exception rather than the rule. The tail bats with a lot of confidence, Ashwin, Saha and Jadeja bat with a lot of confidence and are not rattled if the top order fails.
 
Ankit007 said:
Yep.. Right...
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He hasnt changed his approach though, after failures in the first 3 innings.

I dont think I've seen him play that shot outside off which got him out in the 1st innings (though I havent seen every ball of his innings). So, thats a positive.
 
Anything above 200 and we are toast. B Kumar with new ball swing, Shami with reverse and Ashwin and Sir with spin. 0-3 here we come!
 
If NZ can limit India to a lead of 260, then they have a chance. Otherwise, no chance
 
Sharma ji needs to take on the bowling now, and try to score a quick fire 50. Get the lead to 250 ish.

Ashwin and the tail can push the lead past 300.
 
hk031992 said:
If NZ can limit India to a lead of 260, then they have a chance. Otherwise, no chance
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India is 48 runs away from a lead of 260, with 5 wickets remaining. Should get there I would say...
 
MenInG said:
Game set & match. There is no way NZ can get that without williamson
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300 would be safer imho. We just have 2 pacers and pitch may or may not help spinners in a big way.

NZ if they decide there is nothing to lose and come out all guns blazing....some cushion would be nice.

250 lead would be a bit uncomfortable.

Of course NZ could very well be 120 all out but you never know.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
300 would be safer imho. We just have 2 pacers and pitch may or may not help spinners in a big way.

NZ if they decide there is nothing to lose and come out all guns blazing....some cushion would be nice.

250 lead would be a bit uncomfortable.

Of course NZ could very well be 120 all out but you never know.
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300 lead is impossible now.

250+ is enough I guess.
 
Good fight

New Zealand are doing ok that they somehow are managing to win a session or 2 every other day but unfortunately for them that's just not good enough

They'll still have a hammering due to the first innings debacle
 
Good lord we're counting on Rohit to bail us out.
 
JattMaula said:
300 lead is impossible now.

250+ is enough I guess.
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If someone can add a quick fire 30-40 odd, that would help us towards the total of 300. Anything above 275 should be sufficient, but 300 would add to the psychological pressure.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
300 would be safer imho. We just have 2 pacers and pitch may or may not help spinners in a big way.

NZ if they decide there is nothing to lose and come out all guns blazing....some cushion would be nice.

250 lead would be a bit uncomfortable.

Of course NZ could very well be 120 all out but you never know.
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They don't have the batsman

Taylor is in poor form (actually terminal decline)

Rest are duds

Some gutsy shows by Santner or Watling are just not good enough for anything 150+
 
Wow India have a long batting line up though

Triple triple centurion Jaddu yet to come :amir
 
It's a pitch with uneven bounce. Kohli staying longer would have been handy here. Would be unfair to expect Rohit bhai to stay longer on such a pitch. A 300 lead would've been very good but we have to get as close to 300 as possible.

I just hope we don't miss the 3rd seamer in the last innings.
 
Our poor first innings and inability to run through the tail is going to cost us.
 
India will get a lead of 350+, our bowlers struggle to bowl out the tail.
 
Statsman said:
You have a poor team. Nothing specific is going to "cost you".
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Sure, we have a poor team, but this team has had a lot of moments where they were the aggressor and should have kicked on.

What does that say about India?

It was never the case against Aus and won't be the case against Pakistan.
 
India are nowhere as good as I initially thought they were.

Pakistan, Aus, England and SA are all better sides IMO. That's not sour grapes, that's having watched them play as they have in India.

They should be dominating us but have had a lot of sessions where they have been the ones battling for the advantage.
 
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Aman said:
Sure, we have a poor team, but this team has had a lot of moments where they were the aggressor and should have kicked on.

What does that say about India?

It was never the case against Aus and won't be the case against Pakistan.
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Nobody says India are the best team in the world though. India are a young team and still have some way to go.
 
Aman said:
Sure, we have a poor team, but this team has had a lot of moments where they were the aggressor and should have kicked on.

What does that say about India?

It was never the case against Aus and won't be the case against Pakistan.
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Having your moments? What's with this minnow attitude Aman? Now you'll rejoice your brief moments here and there in 5 days long test matches rather than draws / wins?

What does it say about India? You want to be destroyed in a better fashion?
 
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street cricketer said:
Nobody says India are the best team in the world though. India are a young team and still have some way to go.
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They'll be number 1 after this series, so of course there is going to be criticism.

The standard of teams is just so bad today.
 
Statsman said:
Having your moments? What's with this minnow attitude Aman? Now you'll rejoice your brief moments here and there in 5 days long test matches rather than draws / wins?

What does it say about India? You want to be destroyed in a better fashion?
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Compare what Aus did to us home and away against a far stronger NZ side.

This isn't just small moments either, we won our fair share of sessions in the first Test and have won a few in the 2nd Test too. It was only the one or two odd sessions which lost us the Test. A poor side wouldn't be in the contest for that long unless the opposition they were facing aren't too flash themselves.
 
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Amount of hate Rohit gets is terrible. He should just migrate to Pakistan where his worth would be gold
 
Aman said:
Compare what Aus did to us home and away. This isn't just small moments either, we won our fair share of sessions in the first Test and have won a few in the 2nd Test too.
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At the end of the day you're questioning a team's capability and I quote you "What does that say about India?" after losing a test match (moreover keeping that as basis of your argument) to them by almost 200 runs and 5 wickets (India declared at 5 down)? That makes no sense unless you are a Bangladesh/ Afghanistan level opponent. Even then it doesn't make sense. 200 runs and 5 wickets is a big big margin!!

Any way Australia lost to India, SL, Pakistan pretty badly. There is no one good team right now and that's common knowledge these days.
 
Aman said:
They'll be number 1 after this series, so of course there is going to be criticism.

The standard of teams is just so bad today.
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Well that tells about the standard of other teams more than anything else.

It's a fact that none of the current teams can hold a candle to the teams 6 or 7 years ago. India were the no.1 six years back with around 130 points. Now you get to 110 points and you're the no.1..
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]

Brother you have fought magnificently so far.

Don't give up.
 
Zak_Fan said:
You think NZ can avoid a whitewash here despite these gifts?
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Of course not, we're horrible.

The fact we're winning sessions against the number 1 team in their own backyard should tell you just how bad the level of cricket is today.

Your previous sides would have won every session convincingly and destroyed us, yet it's this one that's going to climb to number 1.
 
Aman said:
Compare what Aus did to us home and away against a far stronger NZ side.

This isn't just small moments either, we won our fair share of sessions in the first Test and have won a few in the 2nd Test too. It was only the one or two odd sessions which lost us the Test. A poor side wouldn't be in the contest for that long unless the opposition they were facing aren't too flash themselves.
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Indian pitches off late have been low scoring pitches. So no team will completely dominate.

If this was a pitch of the past - flat with a bit of help for spin on day 1, 2 &3. Day 4 and Day 5 pure spin pitches, India would have dominated more.
 
Aman said:
Of course not, we're horrible.

The fact we're winning sessions against the number 1 team in their own backyard should tell you just how bad the level of cricket is today.

Your previous sides would have won every session convincingly and destroyed us, yet it's this one that's going to climb to number 1.
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It happens. Even India managed to win some sessions in Aus, SA and NZ. The gulf between most sides isn't too vast currently. Besides, complete dominance is hard on low-scoring pitches.
 
Alan Wilkins is so cruel. Brings up Dada's name when Ravi is in the comm box.:ravi

#awkward
 
Aman said:
Of course not, we're horrible.

The fact we're winning sessions against the number 1 team in their own backyard should tell you just how bad the level of cricket is today.

Your previous sides would have won every session convincingly and destroyed us, yet it's this one that's going to climb to number 1.
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:)))

India won a test match / drew against the great Aussies team of 2000s. Bangladesh almost won a test match against them. Teams won / drew test matches against the great WI side as well. "What does that say about those great teams?" What's with the winning session logic?

Of course, as repeated by everyone, India isn't the greatest side out there. The number 1 spot has been passing from one side to the other for some time and will do for some more time. This isn't the best Indian side either, so quit comparing it with the previous ones. We understand your frustration. But your logic are astounding. lol
 
Statsman said:
:)))

India won a test match / drew against the great Aussies team of 2000s. Bangladesh almost won a test match against them. Teams won / drew test matches against the great WI side as well. "What does that say about those great teams?" What's with the winning session logic?

Of course, as repeated by everyone, India isn't the greatest side out there. The number 1 spot has been passing from one side to the other for some time and will do for some more time. This isn't the best Indian side either, so quit comparing it with the previous ones. We understand your frustration. But your logic are astounding. lol
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India should have kept that tag for last many months. Too bad 4 Tests and certain wins got washed out in the rain recently.

Had that not happened, we would be atleast 5 points ahead the second ranked team today. Very unlucky.
 
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Aman said:
Of course not, we're horrible.

The fact we're winning sessions against the number 1 team in their own backyard should tell you just how bad the level of cricket is today.

Your previous sides would have won every session convincingly and destroyed us, yet it's this one that's going to climb to number 1.
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NZ is a pretty good team now bro...
 
Aman said:
Of course not, we're horrible.

The fact we're winning sessions against the number 1 team in their own backyard should tell you just how bad the level of cricket is today.

Your previous sides would have won every session convincingly and destroyed us, yet it's this one that's going to climb to number 1.
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NZ has certainly fought hard and won a fair number of sessions
 
Think india should slightly accelerate now, 300 run lead almost. BK and Jaddu and Shami to bat. Won't hurt speeding up the proceedings a bit.
 
Zak_Fan said:
India should have kept that tag for last many months. Too bad 4 Tests and certain wins got washed out in the rain recently.

Had that not happened, we would be atleast 5 points ahead the second ranked team today. Very unlucky.
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Certain wins ??
How ??
2 wickets on the 5th day and westindies leading with wickets in hand .
The final test hadnt even taken shape .
Stop deluding yourself.
 
Great effort Rohit and Saha.

This is what its all about.

Playing out tough periods. It always gets easier.

Anyways, I am looking at Jeetan Patel bowl. Has the pitch become easy to play due to old ball or what?

Jeetan looked innocuous.
 
Gone said:
Think india should slightly accelerate now, 300 run lead almost. BK and Jaddu and Shami to bat. Won't hurt speeding up the proceedings a bit.
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No need to hurry. Still plenty of time remaining.

Grind them.

Brendon McCullum triple style.
 
ethan hunt said:
Certain wins ??
How ??
2 wickets on the 5th day and westindies leading with wickets in hand .
The final test hadnt even taken shape .
Stop deluding yourself.
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Bangladesh rain when we were on top.
Bangalore rain when we were on top.
4th test WI rain when the pitch looked to turn.

1 test was our mistake.

3 were certain wins.
 
9 more runs and I hope Rohit gets out.

Him getting 100 is not good for us.

The odd good knocks doesn't mean much when you have seen him flop like 9/10 times.
 
179/6

Come on guys, just 21 more and this innings will be semi-respectable
 
ethan hunt said:
Certain wins ??
How ??
2 wickets on the 5th day and westindies leading with wickets in hand .
The final test hadnt even taken shape .
Stop deluding yourself.
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Draw in Bangladesh lost us CRUCIAL points. Same against SA, a certain win was denied.

As for matches in WI, even you would agree that India started as an overwhelming favorite in every match. Any washout meant India being denied a very probably win.

India indeed is quite unlucky not to be ranked #1 today. Rain has been following us everywhere.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Bangladesh rain when we were on top.
Bangalore rain when we were on top.
4th test WI rain when the pitch looked to turn.

1 test was our mistake.

3 were certain wins.
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So the pitch looking to turn was a certain Indian win ??
India were favourites but thats about it .
None of those matches was a sure shot win . None
 
ethan hunt said:
So the pitch looking to turn was a certain Indian win ??
India were favourites but thats about it .
None of those matches was a sure shot win . None
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Of course....none was a certain win.

India wins 3-0 against SA but the game where we were on top the most wasn't a certain win.

Game against Bangladesh wasn't a certain win when we had enforced follow on.

Game against WI wasn't possible win when we won 2-0 out of 3 prior tests.

I am sure Zak Fan is the deluded one here. :srini
 
Indian lower order has a lot of heart . Always bail the team out of tough spots . Very important in low scoring matches as a collapse can lead to defeat .
 
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