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India v Pakistan | 1st Test | Delhi | 22/11/07 | Day 1

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Hash said:
The guy playing ahead of Afridi is the only one currently showing some resolve and commitment
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It doesn't matter. Another 4 of them don't deserve to be ahead of Afridi. Why are you trying to defend a blunder of a selection, especially when Pak are in crisis at the moment, 5 for 80 to remind you.
 
aussiecricketer said:
It doesn't matter. Another 4 of them don't deserve to be ahead of Afridi. Why are you trying to defend a blunder of a selection, especially when Pak are in crisis at the moment, 5 for 80 to remind you.
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ummm, so which four don't deserve to ahead of Afridi saab jee?
 
Ganguly to Misbah-ul-Haq, no run, that pitched wide outside off stump, seamed sharply away from the right-hander and kept low as well, it didn't test the batsmen for Misbah merely let it go but Dhoni had to dive low to his right to collect it


another ball which kept low

4th or 5th so far today.
 
Misbah shouldn't leave Kamran to do all the scoring
 
Kamran owes the team a big innings here
 
Ian Bishop just said Delhi's weather played a role in this test match so far......low light,very hazy......good too lose the toss for Kumble!!

Zaheer khan back into the attack.
 
Hash said:
ummm, so which four don't deserve to ahead of Afridi saab jee?
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Hameed
Kamran
Misbah (awkward batsmen)
Kaneria(doesn't turn the ball and hes a spinner)

Those 4 for a start. I could probably name more. But people who think being 90 for 5 is good will probably find some long stat to try to beat my argument.
 
Caved12 said:
A century would wash away some of his sins :)
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indeed

as long as he doesn't then go and drop 3 catches including Tendulkar twice and Dravid
 
Arun Lal talks about the various food joints in the stands. And suddenly asks Bishop:

"Are you a big fan of eating off the street, Bish?"

Bish: "Erm.. preferrably off the plate... "
 
arun lal: are you a big fan of eating off the street?
bish: preferably off the plate.

edit: as posted above.beat me to it.
 
The way Ganguly is bowling now I suspect Shoaib would be absolutely lethal on this track.
 
aussiecricketer said:
Hameed
Kamran
Misbah (awkward batsmen)
Kaneria(doesn't turn the ball and hes a spinner)

Those 4 for a start. I could probably name more. But people who think being 90 for 5 is good will probably find some long stat to try to beat my argument.
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Hameed- opener who everages in the late 30s. If Afridi played he would never have opened so you can't take Hameed out for Afridi. Afridi is in horrendous form with the bat and would never have opened.

Kamran- is a keeper. Afridi is not a keeper. Kamran is also a 200 times better batsman than Afridi.

Misbah- still there now. Way better a batsman than Afridi.

Kaneria- doesn't turn the ball? Ummm, you've obviously never seen him.


Try again desi boy.

And Kamran hits another 4 and moves onto 11. One tenth of the way there Kami. One tenth of the way there.
 
looking at how much Ganguly the part timer is moving the ball.. the more i wish Asif was here... he would have had a day in heavan out there !!
 
I think Shoaib Malik doesnt deserve to play test match and he is only creating negative influence towards the team.
 
Its not a east batting wicket.. but sometimes these kind of wickets get easy to bat on day 2 and 3.. some of the wickets of ours have gone have been bad shots by us aswell !!
 
Malik will say we batted well, we were not lucky, but its only a game we will learn, and also we were playing one day cricket
 
Hash said:
Hameed- opener who everages in the late 30s. If Afridi played he would never have opened so you can't take Hameed out for Afridi. Afridi is in horrendous form with the bat and would never have opened.

Kamran- is a keeper. Afridi is not a keeper. Kamran is also a 200 times better batsman than Afridi.

Misbah- still there now. Way better a batsman than Afridi.

Kaneria- doesn't turn the ball? Ummm, you've obviously never seen him.


Try again desi boy.

And Kamran hits another 4 and moves onto 11. One tenth of the way there Kami. One tenth of the way there.
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Um well have you seen Afridis record for 2007. Hes averaging 30 with the bat in ODI cricket that is no reason to drop him for bad form. Saying his form is horrendous is simply untrue. Kamram, we all know hes not half the batsmen of Afridi, hes struggling for his spot in the side. Misbah is awkward, he will be found out soon. Kaneria well he is simply the worst spinner in world cricket, i would rather Jaysuriya then him, Kaneria's average supports this. Do you hate Afridi? because it may be clouding you from seeing reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-NtJpT078 ( this is Afridis 156 vs India. It was only a little under a year ago. Not one of the four players above could play an innings like this).
 
Geez, you lot are getting owned at the moment. Can Mini-Inzy stem the tide?
 
"History suggests that Pakistan has recovered froma first-morning collapse to go on and win Test matches against India. Most recent ones against India in Karachi (2005) and Calcutta (1999). Ironically on both ocassions it required a defiant knock by wicket keeper. Moin Khan in Calcutta and Kamran Akmal in Karachi. Will history repeat itself?,"
 
TaZ said:
why did he bat first if its hazy and a hard wicket to bat on?!
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nobody has ever bowled first after winning the toss at Delhi. Kumble would have batted first too.

guess it was a good toss to lose. BUt if we get 200+ we are not out of it.
 
Hash said:
indeed

as long as he doesn't then go and drop 3 catches including Tendulkar twice and Dravid
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:13: hmmm, that would be a blunder then, and after doing that Kami might get shot by one of the pakistani fans, sitting somewhere in that crowd, funny thing would be that we(PPers) might hire him a lawyer and ask that fan to plead "not guilty" :)))
 
Misbah in his short career has never given indication his likely to score a big individual scor, time time to change that today, either him or akmal needs to get a ton here!
 
Hash said:
nobody has ever bowled first after winning the toss at Delhi. Kumble would have batted first too.

guess it was a good toss to lose. BUt if we get 200+ we are not out of it.
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how many of those games were played in hazy and cloudy conditions and at the end of november.... exactly
 
aussiecricketer said:
Hameed
Kamran
Misbah (awkward batsmen)
Kaneria(doesn't turn the ball and hes a spinner)

Those 4 for a start. I could probably name more. But people who think being 90 for 5 is good will probably find some long stat to try to beat my argument.
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what?? kaneria does not turn the ball......... you are kidding right.
 
TaZ said:
how many of those games were played in hazy and cloudy conditions and at the end of november.... exactly
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I have no idea. You tell me.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Misbah in his short career has never given indication his likely to score a big individual scor, time time to change that today, either him or akmal needs to get a ton here!
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preferably both!
 
aussiecricketer said:
Um well have you seen Afridis record for 2007. Hes averaging 30 with the bat in ODI cricket that is no reason to drop him for bad form. Saying his form is horrendous is simply untrue. Kamram, we all know hes not half the batsmen of Afridi, hes struggling for his spot in the side. Misbah is awkward, he will be found out soon. Kaneria well he is simply the worst spinner in world cricket, i would rather Jaysuriya then him, Kaneria's average supports this. Do you hate Afridi? because it may be clouding you from seeing reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-NtJpT078 ( this is Afridis 156 vs India. It was only a little under a year ago. Not one of the four players above could play an innings like this).
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Let's put Afridi's performances in context. He's averaging 37 with the bat, which is 2 lower than Taufeeq Umar, who has played 3 more Tests (26) than Afridi. In terms of bowling, Afridi has an average of 34, which is about the same as Abdul Razzaq and Shahid Nazir. So you could say that in batting Afridi is about as good as Taufeeq Umar and in bowling about the same as Razzaq. By the way, Kaneria who is supposedly the worst spinner in world cricket has a better average than Afridi.

Sometimes we get carried away by a one-off innings from Afridi and lose sight of the fact that over time he's not really all that consistent. A decent cowlasher, but that's about it. It's not always about the flashy innings or the booming sixes - it's about contributing with bat and ball to win the game.
 
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OZGOD said:
Let's put Afridi's performances in context. He's averaging 37 with the bat, which is 2 lower than Taufeeq Umar, who has played 3 more Tests (26) than Afridi. In terms of bowling, Afridi has an average of 34, which is about the same as Abdul Razzaq and Shahid Nazir. So you could say that in batting Afridi is about as good as Taufeeq Umar and in bowling about the same as Razzaq. By the way, Kaneria who is supposedly the worst spinner in world cricket has a better average than Afridi.

Sometimes we get carried away by a one-off innings from Afridi and lose sight of the fact that over time he's not really all that consistent. A decent cowlasher, but that's about it. It's not always about the flashy innings or the booming sixes - it's about contributing with bat and ball to win the game.
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I would take that...wouldn't you?

p.s on this pitch Afridi would have struggled a bit.
 
this pitch is tough for batting i think india will also struggle on it, espcially against akhtars pace.. the rest of the bowlers i dont know..
 
Maybe misbah's gonna play this like he did 20/20. Take time to set himself in and then score a 100 in the last session.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
I would take that...wouldn't you?

p.s on this pitch Afridi would have struggled a bit.
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I wouldn't, actually - Shane Watson averages that and I don't want him anywhere near the side. Though I concede that Afridi would make a useful bits-and-pieces lower order slogger who can turn his arm over now and then - but he's certainly not the deity that some people are making him out to be. Brad Stodge scored a double ton against SA last year but that doesn't make him as good as Ponting, put it that way. :)
 
pitch will ease considerably on days 2 and 3 before crumbling on days 4 and 5

Might even be better for us if we get a bowl at India tonight
 
Most of our tail can bat so hopefully with aid of bottom order we can some how get to 250!
 
kamran moves onto 20

one fifth of the way there
 
aussiecricketer said:
Um well have you seen Afridis record for 2007. Hes averaging 30 with the bat in ODI cricket that is no reason to drop him for bad form. Saying his form is horrendous is simply untrue. Kamram, we all know hes not half the batsmen of Afridi, hes struggling for his spot in the side. Misbah is awkward, he will be found out soon. Kaneria well he is simply the worst spinner in world cricket, i would rather Jaysuriya then him, Kaneria's average supports this. Do you hate Afridi? because it may be clouding you from seeing reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd-NtJpT078 ( this is Afridis 156 vs India. It was only a little under a year ago. Not one of the four players above could play an innings like this).
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I think your comparing Afridi to the Wrong Batsmen. Yousuf Truly has more class then Afridi. If you look at his shots then you'll see his shots are all power. maybe one or two sensible. But the rest are all power. Yousaf does his shots by meditating them . Afridi Does his Shots without using his Head. So there for he is not in the Class of Yousaf.
 
and the people upset at his inclusion .. now you can see why he was picked ahead of sarfraz .. this is test cricket.. hell probably end up with the highest score of this innings..
 
for those of us following on the net.. can we have regular scores pls
 
but his primary job is to keep wickets ...
The kind of attack that we have we can not afford to give away chance to dravid or tendulker cuz they will make most out of chance they get...
if he is so good as batsman we can play him as batsman in the team and have sarfraz as keeper..
In past rashid kept wickets for pak and Moin played as batsman in the same match
 
XFactor said:
Akmal looks set for a big one. Playing quite well.
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Said that too early. He is out of there thanks to the un-even bounce

Low bounce on a day one pitch is incredibly odd
 
Kami gone, not really kami's fault, the ball went too low and found the middle stump
 
dont jinx him. and does ramiz raja **** anyone off as much as he pisses me off

edit - p*ss is a bad word?
 
47.2 Kumble to Kamran Akmal, OUT, he's bowled him! That kept extremely low on Akmal, Kumble bowled a straight one on off stump, Akmal played it off the back foot but was done in by the bounce, or rather the lack of it, the ball beat his defence and hit very low on the off stump, he should have been playing forward to that one, that's Kumble's 50th wicket at the Kotla
 
Desi said:
dont jinx him. and does ramiz raja **** anyone off as much as he pisses me off

edit - p*ss is a bad word?
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he is a boring commentator. bad commi team there. atleast Waqar should have been there to make it better
 
it would be interesting to see how tanvir plays, whether he scores or not, we will be able to judge his batting abilities in few overs, let's see his technique.
 
12thMan said:
he is a boring commentator. bad commi team there. atleast Waqar should have been there to make it better
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lol when waqar is commenting, guaranteed entertainment (idk if this is good or bad, you slap yourself laughing so hard)
 
Six! Misbah takes on Harbhajan.

And Tanvir off the mark with a confident sweep for four off Kumble!
 
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