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Napa said:
Indeed, they have been pretty good. Yadav especially is much improved.
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He would have never played in this series if dhoni was the captain. Just like ashwin didn't get to play many away games under the captaincy of dhoni.
 
Kohli is pretty defensive.

But I would take him any day over Dhoni who used to go through the motions when the opposition were battering us black and blue and tell that "the process" was more important than results. .
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol @ this is dhoni's side.
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So are we going to pretend India haven't relied on Ashwin and Jadeja to win the majority (really, all) of their matches?

Let's not pretend like Kohli went on a talent hunt and brought in 10 new players who have been winning games for him for the last 2 years.
 
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JaDed said:
He can expire his ill luck in this series as its already won,we will need good luck for future.
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If he bowls like this and goes wicketless, its no problem. It will get sorted soon.

He is exhibiting some insane quality in bowling.

Rajkot was rubbish bowling but Chennai has been a masterclass.
 
I wonder if India will play both Ash and Jadeja overseas..

Judging by how Jadeja has performed on less conducive wickets, you'd have to pick him ahead of Ashwin for those overseas Tests, unless India want to play 2 spinners in Aus, SA, England and NZ.
 
Aman said:
So are we going to pretend India haven't relied on Ashwin and Jadeja to win the majority (really, all) of their matches?

Let's not pretend like Kohli went on a talent hunt and brought in 10 new players who have been winning games for him for the last 2 years.
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If Dhoni was the captain, this would have been the team:

Vijay
Dhawan
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Dhoni (c) (w)
Jadeja
Mishra
Kumar
Ishant
Yadav
 
Varun said:
If Dhoni was the captain, this would have been the team:

Vijay
Dhawan
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Dhoni (c) (w)
Jadeja
Mishra
Kumar
Ishant
Yadav
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TThe idea of bringing in players ala talent hunts like some are trying to paint it, is a load of crap.

Captains don't go out and hunt players they want, boards hire people to do that.

The players that have been winning games for India now are guys that came in during Dhoni's tenure.

Hell, wasn't it Dhoni who persisted with Jadeja for so long despite so many people being against his selection.

Look at how valuable he is for India now, he's probably your number 1 spinner for matches outside Asia.
 
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This will head towards draw unless 2 wickets fall in next 5 overs! Post tea with 6 wickets in hand, England can easily close the lead and will have no time after that for Indians to work out.
 
Aman said:
The point is the idea of bringing in players ala talent hunts is a load of crap.

Captains don't go out and hunt players they want, boards hire people to do that.

The players that have been winning games for India now are guys that came in during Dhoni's tenure.

Hell, wasn't it Dhoni who persisted with Jadeja for so long despite so many people being against his selection.

Look at how valuable he is for India now, he's probably your number 1 spinner for matches outside Asia.
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Dhoni didn't need to persist with Sir. He performed legendary in his first series.
 
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Would be interesting to hear from SIF on Jadeja being picked ahead of Ashwin for Tests in Aus, SA, NZ and England.
 
Aman said:
Would be interesting to hear from SIF on Jadeja being picked ahead of Ashwin for Tests in Aus, SA, NZ and England.
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Nah Kohli won't drop Ashwin no matter what now. He has become his bowling spearhead now and I'm pretty sure he won't drop him.
 
Aman said:
Would be interesting to hear from SIF on Jadeja being picked ahead of Ashwin for Tests in Aus, SA, NZ and England.
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Both Ashwin and Jadeja will play.

We'll drop a batsman with Ashwin batting at #7. Keeper at #6.
 
Varun said:
Both Ashwin and Jadeja will play.

We'll drop a batsman with Ashwin batting at #7. Keeper at #6.
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So you expect to take 20 wickets in Aus, SA, England and NZ with a bowling attack of Yadav, Shami, Ishant, Ashwin and Jadeja?...

You'd just be weakening your batting, and eliminating the chances of draws.
 
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Aman said:
Will that be the case after a few failures?
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Neither Ashwin nor Jadeja have delivered outside asia. Kohli will probably play 1 spinner + 1 pace AR + 3 pacers. So it will most probably be Ashwin. If he has a horror series of South Africa, then yeah Jadeja will probably be preferred.
 
Aman said:
So you expect to take 20 wickets in Aus, SA, England and NZ with a bowling attack of Yadav, Shami, Ashwin and Jadeja?...
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There will be another player in addition to those:

#7 Ashwin
#8 Jadeja
#9 (Player)
#10 Shami
#11 Yadav
 
Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Ashwin
Saha
Jadeja
Shami
Yadav
Ishant

Looks very weak for matches outside Asia, I'd back Aus, England and SA to sweep that side.

I just don't think you have the pacers to win matches in those countries.
 
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Aman said:
Would be interesting to hear from SIF on Jadeja being picked ahead of Ashwin for Tests in Aus, SA, NZ and England.
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The answer is obvious mate.

The data is in front of you.

Ideally, you would go with both bowlers with a 5 bowler strategy.

But if you have to pick 1 spinner, it will be Ash.

Jaddu and Ash did bowl in England and Ash easily looked the better one there and that Ash was probably 50% as good as this one.

Jaddu is the ideal support bowler but not the main bowler. Why? Cos you have analyze his bowling to see why that is the case.

He keeps it tight and waits for batsmen to make a mistake. He induces slight mistakes too. Now if batsmen succumb to it, he will take wickets even on non conducive surfaces but if they play him off, he could just as easily go wicketless or go for very less wickets. Take his series bowling stats and you would see he would see wild fluctuations. Same way in NZ series.

Take today for example. With all due respects to him (and I am his huge fan)....he was tight but took 3 wickets off nothing deliveries that could have fetched him no wickets the other day. Watch his bowling in this innings in general and it wasn't like he was troubling bats too much.

But in the first innings, he was the best bowler on show. Even though he got some soft dismissals there, he did trouble bats and could have got wickets off really good deliveries.

This is the trend with Jaddu.

Take Ash now for example. By far, the best bowler on show today to the point where English commies were saying he could have got a 5fer with some luck. Dropped catch and general ill luck and he went wicketless.

On Mumbai 2nd innings track where it was spitting, he went for 0/43 due to tons of dropped catches and same ill luck. Then the next 10 runs yielded 6 wickets. Of course not saying he is gonna pick that much this innings but point is that quality will eventually shine through. Maybe not in this game, maybe not in a series but it will eventually.

If Kuldeep is a better bowler than Ash, he may be preferred over him but right now, the choice for overseas tests is clear.
 
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Aman said:
Rahul
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Ashwin
Saha
Jadeja
Shami
Yadav
Ishant

Looks very weak for matches outside Asia, I'd back Aus, England and SA to sweep that side.

I just don't think you have the pacers to win matches in those countries.
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Replace Jadeja with Bhuvi or Pandya and you're fine. I don't think Kohli will play 2 spinners outside asia apart from a few venues like Durban, Oval, Sydney, etc.
 
Aman said:
Would be interesting to hear from SIF on Jadeja being picked ahead of Ashwin for Tests in Aus, SA, NZ and England.
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Jadeja is an automatic 1st choice ahead of Ashwin in LOIs for obvious reasons (better containment, better fielding, better stroke-play with bat) . In fact Ashwin's place in LOIs is in threat with upcoming alrounders of all forms (spin bowling alrounders, medium pace alrounders, etc of course with better fielding & stokemaking abilities) Ashwin should sort some of his weaknesses or improve his strengths to unreachable heights!
 
street cricketer said:
Replace Jadeja with Bhuvi or Pandya and you're fine. I don't think Kohli will play 2 spinners outside asia apart from a few venues like Durban, Oval, Sydney, etc.
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Yeah, BK would definitely be a better option for matches in SA, NZ and England.

Australia, you're going to get hammered whoever you pick. You need to pick bowlers based on who will get the least phainty and hope your batsmen score big to draw matches.

Best chance of getting a win will be luckying out and the Aussie batsmen collectively failing in both innings.
 
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Ash place in one dayers is not in threat whatsoever.

Dunno if I live in an alternate dimension or that people forgot the recent matches.

Was our best bowler in WC 2015 (along with Shami and Umesh)...outperformed Jaddu by a mile in Bangladesh and got injured.

Jaddu outperformed in the 2 ODIs in Aus (economy wise).

Just give it some time and you will see Ash correcting his ODI records. Jaddu and him will play in Champions Trophy and WC in England where they both are very good.
 
26 overs to get 6 wickets.

10 more overs and you'd probably have India as strong favorites.
 
Ashwin and Jadeja should both play overseas. They make up one decent bat and one decent spinner together, in those conditions, and India will never succeed with a four pacer strategy. They don't have the personnel for that.
 
Aman said:
Yeah, BK would definitely be a better option for matches in SA, NZ and England.

Australia, you're going to get hammered whoever you pick. You need to pick bowlers based on who will get the least phainty and hope your batsmen score big to draw matches.

Best chance of getting a win will be luckying out and the Aussie batsmen collectively failing in both innings.
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The wickets not being roads would help as well when we tour Australia.

I don't think it's too difficult to draw matches in Australia if the wickets are what they have been over the past few years. Last time we faced Australia on absolute roads and drew two matches without much trouble and should have drawn at Adelaide too if Dhoni had been the captain. Only a 2nd innings collapse at the Gabba proved to be the difference.

Now Australia are much more weaker in both batting and bowling. So India should do well the next time they tour Australia. Only thing is that we need to have 5 genuine bowlers. 4 are not going to cut it in Australia.
 
I'll prefer Jayant over Jadeja overseas as he look to be superior batsman.
 
It should be Ashwin & Jadeja to bowl all overs from here! No fancies of seamer in one end and killing over rate as well. Also Mishra can take full rest in the dugout!
 
Getting into territory where India hope they either take the next 4 or don't pick up any more wickets.
 
England bottling this :))

Can you imagine all the wrist-slitting caused by the desi inferiority complex if this was happening to India or Pakistan in England?
 
Should shut up shop now. Rashid has good defense and so does Broad.
 
Aman said:
Nah, if England continue playing mindless cricket, India should win it from here.
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Butler has been pretty stable and with Rashid who saved the tourists in first innings this is so uncomfortable to say the least.
 
These two need to bat out the next hr, the other two won't last.
 
I have a feeling that overs lost yesterday will come back to haunt us.
 
England need to slow down every over and try to get rid of some of the overs they have to face.
 
This now looks a total different wicket to when India was batting, even the Indian quickies look quite hostile and getting steep bounce... Eng bowlers were just flat out toothless....
 
Call for new gloves, new bat or a drink.. anything to kill time.
 
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