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We have a mental freeze when we play against these guys ..... !!!! We are just too cautious to loose our wicket and play right in their hand !!!!! For once, I hope, we come out with all the guns blazing ..... no matter if we bat First or Second !!!! We have never put fear in their heart .... soooooo disappointing!!!! They come out with with chips on their shoulders !!!!! So sick to see them come out and play us !!!!
 
Hyperion66 said:
Bhai mai mazak kar raha tha, I know who Hasnain is. Kid has pace but just too raw to be included in the WC team.
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No he isn't. You asked what he has done, similar question were asked about Hassan ali and Shadab b/f the champions trophy.
I'm not hyping him and saying that he will do wonders, but there is a chance that he will do a good job for Pak.Problem is that by playing him and Shaheen, Pak batting won't be that deep.
 
Sadevdesai said:
We have a mental freeze when we play against these guys ..... !!!! We are just too cautious to loose our wicket and play right in their hand !!!!! For once, I hope, we come out with all the guns blazing ..... no matter if we bat First or Second !!!! We have never put fear in their heart .... soooooo disappointing!!!! They come out with with chips on their shoulders !!!!! So sick to see them come out and play us !!!!
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That was misbah era thing, and it wasn't just against india, the team under him had the same response against anyone in similar situation.
 
ali2220 said:
No he isn't. You asked what he has done, similar question were asked about Hassan ali and Shadab b/f the champions trophy.
I'm not hyping him and saying that he will do wonders, but there is a chance that he will do a good job for Pak.Problem is that by playing him and Shaheen, Pak batting won't be that deep.
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This throwing kids at the front-line and hoping for wonders is one of the things killing Pak cricket. One of the reasons why your pacers tend to get fizzled out after good debuts. It has to be a proper and methodical initiation even if the guy is an absolute undisputed prodigy.
 
Just go out there and enjoy the occasion. Prepare yourself to the best of your ability, then go out there and execute them plans, without thinking too far ahead about the result. It will definitely help if India beats Australia, so Pakistan goes in as underdogs.

These guys can beat India. All eleven players have the ability, but it depends upon how revved up they are that day.

Asia Cup, Pakistan went in as slight favourites and duly disappointed.
 
Hyperion66 said:
This throwing kids at the front-line and hoping for wonders is one of the things killing Pak cricket. One of the reasons why your pacers tend to get fizzled out after good debuts. It has to be a proper and methodical initiation even if the guy is an absolute undisputed prodigy.
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Do you know better than Akram? coz he is the one who wants Hasnain to play WC! Also Pak cricket is pretty much alive, there are just two pacers whose performance went down after good start in Hassan ali and Shaheen, however there are many others who played well for Pak even though they had been picked up from the streets.Remember Pak have been producing Fast bowlers since 70's, india on the other hand has just started producing some.
The one reason why Pak pacers went down is coz of improper coaching, the sooner Pak get rid of Azhar the better.
 
Win toss, bat first
See off Bumrah, attack others.. score 300+
get top 3 quickly with pace battery and win the game.

Easier said than done though.
 
Pakpak said:
Lol the Indians have the galls to keep on talking about no-ball. The amount of catches we dropped off Tendulkar in 2011, otherwise you lot wouldn't even have gone past 200. Same for 2003, 55-2 and Razzaq dropped a dolly off Wasim.
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Was i talking about dropped catch? Dropping catch is norm nowdays, i was talking about specific wicket taken deliveries that endup as notout cause of stupid line crossing ,ind fans has seen this horror show from time to time against wi ,pak in semifinal or final matches.its not normal to bowl a noball on ball taking wicket
 
Harshu814 said:
Was i talking about dropped catch? Dropping catch is norm nowdays, i was talking about specific wicket taken deliveries that endup as notout cause of stupid line crossing ,ind fans has seen this horror show from time to time against wi ,pak in semifinal or final matches.its not normal to bowl a noball on ball taking wicket
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It's the same thing. Balling no balls is the bowlers fault just as much as dropping catches is the fielders fault. Atleast 2 times in mega contest the only reason you won was Tendulkar and only reason he played well was the 10,00000 lives he had due to us dropping dolly after dolly. But you don't hear Pakistan fans harping about it here. They admit a defeat is a defeat. Yet the Indians can't forgot the no-ball. Crap happens. You've been beyond lucky twice atleast so was about time we had some luck too.
 
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The 'Strong' Pakistan teams of 1992,1996,2003,2011 could not defeat India in World Cup encounters, so it’ll probably be a 'weak' team like we have this time round that will eventually break the WC losing streak.
The 2017 CT final Walloping shock has still not left their system (Star Sports TV Constantly Keep reminding everyone) and with the current political tensions I think the pressure will be on India more than it will be on Pakistan.
 
India is far too strong, I don’t think it will happen. Bumrah first spell can rattle Pakistani line up. Only player to tackle Bumrah is Sir Liton Das :don
 
For some reason, as an Indian fan, I am not really worried about this match. India will win this. What happened in CT finals, will not repeat again.
 
Balthazar said:
For some reason, as an Indian fan, I am not really worried about this match. India will win this. What happened in CT finals, will not repeat again.
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And I agree with you as a Pakistani fan for now. Lot depends on Pakistan's momentum - if they have enough wins under their belt, they will become favourites then
 
50/50 game in my opinion.

fakhar
Asif ali
Babar
Imam
Hafeez
Safaraz
Malik
Shadab
Wahab
Hasan ali
Amir

If we win toss bat first!
hopefully fakhar and asif can rattle bumra and co. If we get a good start 70 for no wicket in powerplay, it will relax the team and they will play well.
Safi, hafeez and malik should be able to overcome the indian spin attack.
 
Balthazar said:
For some reason, as an Indian fan, I am not really worried about this match. India will win this. What happened in CT finals, will not repeat again.
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Tbh Indian fans were not worried before the CT finals too. If Pakistan beat Australia, Indian fans should start to worry then :yk
 
Braveheart said:
The 2017 CT final Walloping shock has still not left their system (Star Sports TV Constantly Keep reminding everyone) and with the current political tensions I think the pressure will be on India more than it will be on Pakistan.
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People say that before every World Cup and yet it's the Pakistani players that buckle under pressure. Then people on this forum talk about how India treats this as any other game while Pakistan doesn't, rinse and repeat.
 
Captain caveman said:
Am i the only one who sees nothing special in bumra? Special no, weird yes!
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Nothing special about him. He just takes a couple of quick wickets in his first spell 7 times out of 10 and gives away not much runs . Then in second spell he repeats what did in first spell with some Yorkers in between. That's weird.
 
There are reasons to worry about as an India supporter. Pakistan has already crossed 300 4-5 times in the last month alone. Their batsmen look confident and are in good form. India has a much better batting line up but the top order hasn’t been in good form and absence of any noticeable performance in the recent past is a worry. No worries about the bowling attack. Indian bowling unit is as good if not better than Pakistan’s.
 
Mr.Q said:
There are reasons to worry about as an India supporter. Pakistan has already crossed 300 4-5 times in the last month alone. Their batsmen look confident and are in good form. India has a much better batting line up but the top order hasn’t been in good form and absence of any noticeable performance in the recent past is a worry. No worries about the bowling attack. Indian bowling unit is as good if not better than Pakistan’s.
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Without a doubt India has better bowlers than Pakistan but I don't think that INDIA HAS A MUCH BETTER BATTING LINE UP than Pakistan and I am certainly not saying it because Pakistan have been scoring 340+ regularly in the recent past.I truly believe that India hasn't addressed the problem of their weak middle order.Everyone knows it now that you need to get their top 3 quickly and if you do that then you will most probably win the match.Plus India's tail is the worst tail in the whole world.Recently Pak were 6-3 against England yet the score something close to 300.
 
Its about momentum and the day, anything can happen, its not Asia that we will win defn have more confidence in Asia, so lets just be cautious and wait it out who knows what nerves can do.

Good thing is after England win PCT aren't expected to lose but expected to win.
 
Win toss bat first, 300+ and then get the Indian top 3 out cheaply, within 150runs. Match will be yours. Pak bowling was outstanding against England especially towards the end. Seems like Wahab and Amir found good form again!
 
Both sides are quite evenly matched for these conditions, the real difference is going to be the fielding which makes India's chances of winning slightly higher.
 
Salman said:
Both sides are quite evenly matched for these conditions, the real difference is going to be the fielding which makes India's chances of winning slightly higher.
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IMO Bumrah will be the difference.
 
MRSN said:
Very sensational comments but knowing you not surprised..:yk

Reality is often disappointing.
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Yes, reality is having the lowest and highest scores of this tournament so far. Pretty much every analyst or critic is confounded about this unpredictable form, but ofcourse [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION] knows more about cricket than those fools who might have actually played the game :rabada
 
MRSN said:
IMO Bumrah will be the difference.
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Agreed. Dont forget their duo spinners, who were mighty effective against us in asia cup. We even couldn't pass 200 in one of the games, on a flat track in UAE. Their new ball bowling with Bumrah has totally changed their attack
 
I don't think this Indian team is equipped to chase big 300 scores unless Rohit and Kohli fire. Best way to beat them is score a big score and get them chasing.

If the tournament continues the way it has so far , India and Australia are the teams to beat.
 
When God is playing, you do not need much planning on hand. I already told you the result that Pakistan is winning this time.
 
hisham_ashraf said:
Without a doubt India has better bowlers than Pakistan but I don't think that INDIA HAS A MUCH BETTER BATTING LINE UP than Pakistan and I am certainly not saying it because Pakistan have been scoring 340+ regularly in the recent past.I truly believe that India hasn't addressed the problem of their weak middle order.Everyone knows it now that you need to get their top 3 quickly and if you do that then you will most probably win the match.Plus India's tail is the worst tail in the whole world.Recently Pak were 6-3 against England yet the score something close to 300.
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We do have better batsmen I think. Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Rahul, Dhoni, Pandya + Jadhav (who is actually a decent batsman). It’s a much better batting lineup. Bad form of the top three is our problem. The problem with the middle order is that players who are expected to perform well aren’t doing so well. KL Rahul has been testing selectors’ patience for a while now. Eventually they’ll get rid of him if he doesn’t perform to potential ie avg > 50. Hope he does well. Agreed we’re a top heavy batting lineup and depend on the top 3 for momentum. We need a proper replacement for Jadhav to make it a stronger line up like England’s. He’s a good batsman but there are some flaws in his game.
 
The Manchester weather forecast for the 16th is overcast and a bit of rain throughout the day. These are ideal conditions for Amir to attack India's top order, giving Pakistan a fair chance to win the match. All good things come to an end and it is quite likely that 11-0 will be 11-1 by 16th evening.

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India will beat Pakistan comfortably, the only way to beat india is play fearless cricket. Try to get their top order as soon as possible and see off Bumrah and Kuldeep with respect.
 
Well if you really want to beat India then think out of the box and play 5 fast bowlers. Also bat Malik at number 3.

My unusual XI:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Babar Azam
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Muhammad Hafeez
5. Sarfaraz Ahmed
6. Asif Ali
7. Wahab Riaz
8. Muhammad Amir
9. Hasan Ali
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Muhammad Hasnain

I know the tail starts quite early but that bowling attack will send a strong message to India.
 
Balthazar said:
For some reason, as an Indian fan, I am not really worried about this match. India will win this. What happened in CT finals, will not repeat again.
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Regardless of result it can't happen, coz for that to happen the teams need to meet in the all imp final and not some league match!
 
We will win in sha Allah. Indian batting is over rated and will be found out. Its just a matter of time.
 
ekpakistani said:
We will win in sha Allah. Indian batting is over rated and will be found out. Its just a matter of time.
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Its not overrated atall, just a bit short.They are heavily dependent on their top three to fire, and on most occasions they do that.If all three of them fails (rarely) then they can be in trouble.For some strange reason they never really tried to consolidate their batting lineup.
 
As a sum both teams are equal in batting strength. I mean tail ender, middle order, top order.

ICC ranking

no.1 Kohli
no.2 Rohit
no.8 Babar
no.10 Fakar
no.14 Shikar
no.15 Imam
no.24 Dhoni
no.28 Jadhav
no.44 Hafeez
no.55 Malik
 
By not worrying about it and focusing on your next damn game. You keep talking about it, you're gonna keep losing.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As a sum both teams are equal in batting strength. I mean tail ender, middle order, top order.

ICC ranking

no.1 Kohli
no.2 Rohit
no.8 Babar
no.10 Fakar
no.14 Shikar
no.15 Imam
no.24 Dhoni
no.28 Jadhav
no.44 Hafeez
no.55 Malik
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Not really, Babar is not as good as Kohli and Fakhar not as good as Rohit, etc.

Only way we will win is if we have a good day, or they have a bad day, but in terms of numbers looks like the streak will be alive.
 
adil79 said:
Agreed. Dont forget their duo spinners, who were mighty effective against us in asia cup. We even couldn't pass 200 in one of the games, on a flat track in UAE. Their new ball bowling with Bumrah has totally changed their attack
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Those were spinning pitch but here not so both spinners may not effective much .
 
gazza619 said:
Well if you really want to beat India then think out of the box and play 5 fast bowlers. Also bat Malik at number 3.

My unusual XI:

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Babar Azam
3. Shoaib Malik
4. Muhammad Hafeez
5. Sarfaraz Ahmed
6. Asif Ali
7. Wahab Riaz
8. Muhammad Amir
9. Hasan Ali
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Muhammad Hasnain

I know the tail starts quite early but that bowling attack will send a strong message to India.
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This is a bad lineup imo. The only way to beat them is make 320 plus. With this lineup on a bad day it is not happening and with a low score our bowlers will be carted.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As a sum both teams are equal in batting strength. I mean tail ender, middle order, top order.

ICC ranking

no.1 Kohli
no.2 Rohit
no.8 Babar
no.10 Fakar
no.14 Shikar
no.15 Imam
no.24 Dhoni
no.28 Jadhav
no.44 Hafeez
no.55 Malik
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Because of great quality of first three (esp Rohit and kohli), indians have an edge in batting, while in bowling they are much better.Overall a much better team!
 
ali2220 said:
For some strange reason they never really tried to consolidate their batting lineup.
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That's because Kohli doesn't believe in Duncan Fletcher school of thought to have your bowlers being able to score some runs as well. He wants specialists as bowlers. Won't say Kohli is wrong here as for the first time ever we've a bowling lineup which is probably world class. But that has also made our batting top-3 or bust especially with grandpa and Kedar being the weak links already.
 
MP2011 said:
That's because Kohli doesn't believe in Duncan Fletcher school of thought to have your bowlers being able to score some runs as well. He wants specialists as bowlers. Won't say Kohli is wrong here as for the first time ever we've a bowling lineup which is probably world class. But that has also made our batting top-3 or bust especially with grandpa and Kedar being the weak links already.
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I am fully with Kohli on this. But the batsmen being unable to bowl is really pathetic. Tendulkar for all his great batting talents never needed to bowl in his life. But as a 17 year old helped tie a one dayer with his bowling by picking up the last wicket. He was bowling seam up then. Later out of his own interest learnt leg spin, then off spin, he even attempted doosra. He played a crucial role in winning that historical test where Laxman made 281. He picked 3 key wickets of Australia with his leggies. Sehwag could bowl, Ganguly could bowl, Raina could bowl, Yuvraj could bowl. These lazy buggers never attempt that. Kedar Jadhav never bowled in his career as a bowler. He learnt few years back how to bowl. He is bloody 34 year old guy. He is India's 6th bowler. If Indian top order had learnt a bit of bowling India would not look so unbalanced.
 
MP2011 said:
That's because Kohli doesn't believe in Duncan Fletcher school of thought to have your bowlers being able to score some runs as well. He wants specialists as bowlers. Won't say Kohli is wrong here as for the first time ever we've a bowling lineup which is probably world class. But that has also made our batting top-3 or bust especially with grandpa and Kedar being the weak links already.
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I think this batting lineup will still do good and win matches against laloo team like Pak, but against a stronger bowling lineup India can be in trouble.Kohli thinking is positive but the tail is far too big.
 
ali2220 said:
I think this batting lineup will still do good and win matches against laloo team like Pak, but against a stronger bowling lineup India can be in trouble.Kohli thinking is positive but the tail is far too big.
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Agree on all counts except for Pak being a lalloo team. Their batting has come up by leaps and bounds ever since Babar came on the scene. They've not got the results what they wanted since CT '17 but the talent is there and it'll shine through.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I am fully with Kohli on this. But the batsmen being unable to bowl is really pathetic. Tendulkar for all his great batting talents never needed to bowl in his life. But as a 17 year old helped tie a one dayer with his bowling by picking up the last wicket. He was bowling seam up then. Later out of his own interest learnt leg spin, then off spin, he even attempted doosra. He played a crucial role in winning that historical test where Laxman made 281. He picked 3 key wickets of Australia with his leggies. Sehwag could bowl, Ganguly could bowl, Raina could bowl, Yuvraj could bowl. These lazy buggers never attempt that. Kedar Jadhav never bowled in his career as a bowler. He learnt few years back how to bowl. He is bloody 34 year old guy. He is India's 6th bowler. If Indian top order had learnt a bit of bowling India would not look so unbalanced.
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Can't agree more. Current Indian batsmen are disgrace, should've picked some nuances of bowling in nets. To see someone like Rahul being played as a specialist batsman is a disgrace especially when he is not that good a batsman to begin with. Same for Sir Rayudu. Same is true for our openers and yes Kohli as well. You at least should be able to roll your arm over despite being a great batsman.
 
Also, Tendulkar was a freak, having ability to bowl any kind of delivery. We may not see a cricketer like him ever.
 
MP2011 said:
Can't agree more. Current Indian batsmen are disgrace, should've picked some nuances of bowling in nets. To see someone like Rahul being played as a specialist batsman is a disgrace especially when he is not that good a batsman to begin with. Same for Sir Rayudu. Same is true for our openers and yes Kohli as well. You at least should be able to roll your arm over despite being a great batsman.
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Issue is especially with no 4 & 5 batter, they aren't that great and can't even bowl. We have similar issue with Asif ali, not a great bat but would have cemented his place in the side if he was able to bowl a bit.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Tbh Indian fans were not worried before the CT finals too. If Pakistan beat Australia, Indian fans should start to worry then :yk
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Ct was different that just needed you to perform well. Here it is a mental battle against a psychological issue. It's basically like Saffers and the knockout pressure.
 
ali2220 said:
Issue is especially with no 4 & 5 batter, they aren't that great and can't even bowl. We have similar issue with Asif ali, not a great bat but would have cemented his place in the side if he was able to bowl a bit.
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Contrast this with old days SA or Australia or for that matter any other team. So many batsmen were able to bowl at least. Current era's bats have become too lazy, you think?
 
jagatk said:
Ct was different that just needed you to perform well. Here it is a mental battle against a psychological issue. It's basically like Saffers and the knockout pressure.
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Complete rubbish. There was a huge mental battle in CT final, if you think that Pak players will be under more pressure in WC league game than the final of CT then its a laugh.
 
jagatk said:
Ct was different that just needed you to perform well. Here it is a mental battle against a psychological issue. It's basically like Saffers and the knockout pressure.
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Won't lie, but honestly for the first time since the days of Anwars and Ijazs, I genuinely fear Pak's batting lineup. Unlike us they bat deep.
 
ali2220 said:
Complete rubbish. There was a huge mental battle in CT final, if you think that Pak players will be under more pressure in WC league game than the final of CT then its a laugh.
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Agree with this. Especially after what happened in the league game.
 
If its a damp wicket bowl first and bundle India out less than 250 or bat first and have 280 on board. India has gun bowling attack with Kuldeep still finding form. Kulcha, Bumrah with Shami under the guidance of MS are a force.
 
Mr.Q said:
We do have better batsmen I think. Dhawan, Rohit, Kohli, Rahul, Dhoni, Pandya + Jadhav (who is actually a decent batsman). It’s a much better batting lineup. Bad form of the top three is our problem. The problem with the middle order is that players who are expected to perform well aren’t doing so well. KL Rahul has been testing selectors’ patience for a while now. Eventually they’ll get rid of him if he doesn’t perform to potential ie avg > 50. Hope he does well. Agreed we’re a top heavy batting lineup and depend on the top 3 for momentum. We need a proper replacement for Jadhav to make it a stronger line up like England’s. He’s a good batsman but there are some flaws in his game.
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I would say that you have much better players in your top 3 for sure but when it comes to the batting line up I would restraint from using the word "much". Having said that I still believe that India has a better batting line up than Pakistan.Lets settle it right there
 
Looks like its near impossible for Pak to defeat this indian team, this team is far too strong, Pak only have 5-10 percent chance against india
 
India have almost all of their bases covered. Lets just break down why India is so strong this time around.

A) A wicket taking bowling attack. Most bowling options are wicket takers rather than defensive bowlers.

A1) Proper fast bowlers. Bhuveneshwar can exploit any assistance that the pitch offers in the initial overs. One of their fast bowlers is truly world class. I am talking about bumrah who is good in the initial overs and terrific at death. Then you have the likes of Shami who can be brought in any time when the conditions are good. However, i dont think he will be selected against Pak. Pandya gives them the 3rd pacer option.


A2) Wrist spinners in the middle overs. Middle overs are absolutely crucial and India have put a leggie and a chinaman in charge of these overs. Attacking options in the middle overs which can turn the game around by bowling 5-6 unplayable deliveries. This is different than other teams who are struggling to find good bowling options in the dry period of middle overs where the oppositions try to sit back and build innings without taking many risks.

2) World class batsmen.

2A) The trio of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli is simply the best top order in the world today and perhaps the best in the history of Indian cricket.

2B) A ferocious hitter in Pandya down the order who can take the game away from the opposition quickly. He is arguably the best hitter of the cricket ball in the world right now after Buttler. Although there are concerns about his batting against pace.

C) A good fielding side. They field well and dont drop many catches. They can induce run outs if you are not careful.

D) A world class all rounder in Pandya. Can bat and bowl pace and is a good fielder. What else can you ask for?

So for me India is the most balanced side of the world cup with almost all bases covered.

Needless to say its going to be tough for Pakistan to beat them. Pakistan will need a lot of luck on their side as well. They have to overcome India's bowling and batting. This is different than previous years when India had just batting as their strong suit.

So how does Pakistan overcome this Indian side?

A) Get team selection right:

A1) Imad wasim should not be selected at any cost. He is not a threat to Indian batting line up and he isnt talented enough with the bat to pose a threat to intelligent Indian bowlers.

A2) I know I am going to get a lot if Flak for it but Wahab is a really risky option against India. He can be murdered by Indian batsmen because he has nothing to offer except some bounce. so Pakistan needs to look at the pitch carefully before taking a call on him. I would prefer Shaheen or even Hasnain in his place against India just as a surprise factor.

B) Batting approach : Pakistan should really REALLY hope that they get to bat first because chasing is beyond them on these flat pattas.

B1) Target bowlers other than Bumrah in first 10 overs. Bumrah doesn't bowl more than 3 overs at the start. This is because Kohli wants to save him for the death bowling. So see his 3 overs off without taking many risks. Target the other bowlers in these overs. Thats less risky and better in the long run.

B2) Target middle overs. As you get into the middle overs, you will get a barrage of spin bowling. Kuldeep , Chahal and Jadhav will bowl at you with occassional bursts of pace by Pandya. Here you would have no other option but to target these bowlers. This is Pakistan's best chance to get to a decent total because India are saving bumrah for death so it would be hard to accelerate later. You can promote Hafeez against spinners in the middle overs. DO NOT go at less than 6 an over in this period. It would be a disaster.

What targetting middle overs could do is it can force Kohli to bring Bumrah for a spell in the middle in order to stem the flow of runs. This would again work in Pakistan's favour as it would mean less yorkers at the end. See him off and target other bowlers in this case as well.

B3) Generally from 37 overs onwards Bhuvneshwar comes back for a spell. And pandya can support him. This 4-5 over period is crucial. It is time to unleash yourself and try to go at 8-10 an over. If you lose a wicket here, Asif Ali should be asked to come out and go all guns blazing. Hopefully he'll click.

B4) If Bumrah bowls his 6 overs at the death, the approach which we followed above will provide cusion. We can go at 6 an over in his overs without worrying about the final total. Make sure you dont lose wickets to him in last 10 overs because playing 50 overs is important.

C) Bowling approach : This would be a pretty intense time because their batting can demoralise you easily with a flurry of boundaries. Again the crux is the same as CT17, get into that underbelly.

C1) Look to pick up wickets rather than being economical. There is no way you can contain this Indian batting line up. Especially if you dont get the top 3 out, one or more of them will go on to make a big score. When they get in, they make it count. So look for wickets all the time especially with the new ball and bring out their middle order in the middle.

C2) Spinners wont have a major role to play for Pakistan. So ideally they should be made to bowl immediately after first 10 overs. Shadab and Hafeez should bowl from 10 to 30 overs mostly with ocsssional mixing up with pace. After that it will be pointless to bring spin against Indian batsmen. They will murder these spinner that time.

C3) Bowl tighter lines. You cant do much about the pitch so do whats in your control. Hasan Ali in particular should be given the responsibility to bowl tight lines from overs 30 onwards.

C4) Bowl yorkers. Not just at death but before that as well. Its plain stupid to go by the script and not bowl yorkers before death.

D) Field well. And dont drop catches. Duh!

Beating this Indian side is tough but not impossible. If England can be beaten so can this Indian side. You have to be relentless though. Putting relentless pressure on them will win you the game.
 
Hopefully a good one-two from us and then you guys, that will put India in immense pressure and verge of being knocked out.
 
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Pakistan can't target middle overs as Jadeja or Ashwin aren't playing. They are playing Chahal & Kuldeep, who are class apart compared to our spinners. Only sensible option would be to target Pandya.
 
adil79 said:
Pakistan can't target middle overs as Jadeja or Ashwin aren't playing. They are playing Chahal & Kuldeep, who are class apart compared to our spinners. Only sensible option would be to target Pandya.
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one of the reasons they won ct and why ashwin/jadeja were removed.
 
adil79 said:
Pakistan can't target middle overs as Jadeja or Ashwin aren't playing. They are playing Chahal & Kuldeep, who are class apart compared to our spinners. Only sensible option would be to target Pandya.
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Need to think of playing the ball rather than the man. Pak have players capable of smoking these Chahals and Kuldeeps out of the park.
 
Imo
Pak should drop asif and shaheen for shadab and imad
And sack malik for haris
Ur thoughts?
 
Go all out

1. Imam
2. Fakhar
3. Babar
4. Haris
5. Sarfaraz
6. Hafeez
7. Shadab
8. Hasan (last chance)
9. Wahab
10. Amir
11. Shaheen
 
Malik and Asif out for sure

Harris and Shadab back in.

Maybe drop a seamer for Imad
 
Pakistan vs India | 2019 World Cup | Manchester | June 16 | Pre-Match Discussion Thread

Here we go... how do we bounce back?

Shoaib Malik and Asif Ali had really poor outings against Australia. Can either of them be risked in what's basically a must win game?
 
Kick Mallik out. He always scores against India. This guy is a nemesis for us.
 
1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Haris Sohail
5.Mohammad Hafeez
6.Sarfraz Ahmed
7.Imad Wasim
8.Shadab Khan
9.Wahab Riaz
10.Mohammad Amir
11.Mohammad Hasnain

Shaheen and Hasan are trash.
 
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