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India vs South Africa | 1st Test | Mohali | 5th-9th November | Match Thread | India won by 108 runs

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Hope(wish) at least in the second session Kohli won't start with one of Mishra/Umesh/Aaron combo, instead will continue with Ash and Jaddu combo.

IMHO, with ABD still at the crease (though not in his fluent best yet) SA is still ahead in this game by a small margin despite losing few quick wickets in the last hour or so.
 
avidlearner said:
Hope(wish) at least in the second session Kohli won't start with one of Mishra/Umesh/Aaron combo, instead will continue with Ash and Jaddu combo.

IMHO, with ABD still at the crease (though not in his fluent best yet) SA is still ahead in this game by a small margin despite losing few quick wickets in the last hour or so.
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Kohli tried his best to screw up. :))

ABD is still at the crease so NOTHING is ruled out.

He can smash a 60 ball 80 (in the next session) and destroy us.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
This isn't even a rank turner. :))
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Most of the rank turners are in South India but it doesn't change the fact India doctor pitches to suit their style. And this is clearly a doctored pitch. It will eventually start behaving like one by end of day 3 if the game lasts that long.
 
What a session of cricket. Absolutely captivating and I didn't even want to distract myself by opening up PP. Amla played superbly on this rank turner, until that dismissal, which was disappointing to see.

Boneheaded captaincy from Kohli though, why in the world was he bowling his "fast bowlers"? If he was trying to get them to create rough then it could have easily resulted in one or both getting banned for the rest of the match. Besides, the ball has been spinning from the start.

ABD has got his wicket back twice now, along with being lucky many other times, he needs to ensure that South Africa at least match India's score. All in all, another juicy session awaits us.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Most of the rank turners are in South India but it doesn't change the fact India doctor pitches to suit their style. And this is clearly a doctored pitch. It will eventually start behaving like one by end of day 3 if the game lasts that long.
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What do you mean by doctored pitch?Pitches in India turn since India started playing cricket.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Most of the rank turners are in South India but it doesn't change the fact India doctor pitches to suit their style. And this is clearly a doctored pitch. It will eventually start behaving like one by end of day 3 if the game lasts that long.
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Never denied that but if a pitch goes crazy by Day 3 (as long as its injurious to batsmen and as long as the bounce is not like the ball will be rolling on the ground)....its very common in India.

Just watch the first hour.

India could have scored 300 here.

SA if not for some stupid batting by Elgar could have done well easily too.

Just incompetency. By Day 3 yeah it will be hard.
 
Justcrazy said:
Top bowler in all three formats for India.

He maximizes his potential , great thinker.
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True that not that talented but works very hard i remember in his recent interview where he said he realized how tests were hard and he started working more on how to bowl in tests.
 
Bilal7 said:
What a session of cricket. Absolutely captivating and I didn't even want to distract myself by opening up PP. Amla played superbly on this rank turner, until that dismissal, which was disappointing to see.

Boneheaded captaincy from Kohli though, why in the world was he bowling his "fast bowlers"? If he was trying to get them to create rough then it could have easily resulted in one or both getting banned for the rest of the match. Besides, the ball has been spinning from the start.

ABD has got his wicket back twice now, along with being lucky many other times, he needs to ensure that South Africa at least match India's score. All in all, another juicy session awaits us.
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A little bit of credit to Ashwin is in order I think.
 
Its just that if the Indian batsmen had scored some 300-400 here which was TOTALLY AND TOTALLY possible with good batsmen, people would be saying Saffers are useless.

In fact, if Elgar stuck on, maybe India would have been in deeper trouble though now its starting to spin more but just like normal tracks in India.
 
Bilal7 said:
What a session of cricket. Absolutely captivating and I didn't even want to distract myself by opening up PP. Amla played superbly on this rank turner, until that dismissal, which was disappointing to see.

Boneheaded captaincy from Kohli though, why in the world was he bowling his "fast bowlers"? If he was trying to get them to create rough then it could have easily resulted in one or both getting banned for the rest of the match. Besides, the ball has been spinning from the start.

ABD has got his wicket back twice now, along with being lucky many other times, he needs to ensure that South Africa at least match India's score. All in all, another juicy session awaits us.
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1. Amla was amazing. ABD was rubbish (though he is more dangerous on low score tracks due to his speed of score).

2. Track is not rank turner.
 
Thanks to BCCI, India is all set to lose yet another match. AB will hurt us bad. :srini
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Never denied that but if a pitch goes crazy by Day 3 (as long as its injurious to batsmen and as long as the bounce is not like the ball will be rolling on the ground)....its very common in India.

Just watch the first hour.

India could have scored 300 here.

SA if not for some stupid batting by Elgar could have done well easily too.

Just incompetency. By Day 3 yeah it will be hard.
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I don't mind India doctoring their pitch to suit their style. Just the complaining that Aussies create 'phattas' to suit their batting. That's their brand of cricket, to play aggressive, score big and bounce out the opposition. Every country has their own unique style which is precisely why it is difficult to win overseas series.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
1. Amla was amazing. ABD was rubbish (though he is more dangerous on low score tracks due to his speed of score).

2. Track is not rank turner.
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What match were you watching? This pitch is turning as much as any other pitch would turn on day five. It is definitely a rank turner and you only have to look at the success of the South Africa's mediocre spinners and the fact that AB de Villiers was batting like Fanie de Villiers to realize this.

Of course, you can also go back to the pitch report where Gavasker stated that he had never seen so many cracks on this pitch or Elgar calling this "not a very good pitch".
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Kohli tried his best to screw up. :))

ABD is still at the crease so NOTHING is ruled out.

He can smash a 60 ball 80 (in the next session) and destroy us.
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Yep. A quick fire 60 odd from ABD will surely kill any advantage India had with either winning the toss or getting rest of the SA batsmen out cheaply. By the end of 1st session, he's already slowly started getting into his groove.

My worry is Mishra Ji, though. He has been very ineffective with his length(also pace) so far.
 
ChachaCricket said:
I don't mind India doctoring their pitch to suit their style. Just the complaining that Aussies create 'phattas' to suit their batting. That's their brand of cricket, to play aggressive, score big and bounce out the opposition. Every country has their own unique style which is precisely why it is difficult to win overseas series.
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I never said Aussies are wrong in doing it. They have rights too.

But Aussie pitches have gone flatter due to drop in.

WC 2015 was a farce because of that.

Its just that flat tracks anywhere in the world would get criticized. We can't use green tops and rank turner logics to defend flat tracks.

Tomorrow if Bangladesh keeps producing flat tracks to get draws from top teams and decreases their rankings, I can see a whine fest.

At that time, no one will care about its Bangladesh's right to do what is good for them (that is a draw).
 
Bilal7 said:
What match were you watching? This pitch is turning as much as any other pitch would turn on day five. It is definitely a rank turner and you only have to look at the success of the South Africa's mediocre spinners and the fact that AB de Villiers was batting like Fanie de Villiers to realize this.

Of course, you can also go back to the pitch report where Gavasker stated that he had never seen so many cracks on this pitch or Elgar calling this "not a very good pitch".
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Rank turners turn square. It isn't at that level yet. Needs 1-2 more days of wear and tear.
 
Bilal7 said:
What match were you watching? This pitch is turning as much as any other pitch would turn on day five. It is definitely a rank turner and you only have to look at the success of the South Africa's mediocre spinners and the fact that AB de Villiers was batting like Fanie de Villiers to realize this.

Of course, you can also go back to the pitch report where Gavasker stated that he had never seen so many cracks on this pitch or Elgar calling this "not a very good pitch".
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What match are you watching?

I watched ball by ball WHOLE SESSION.

First hour...ball wasn't swinging or seaming or even spinning much. It was slow spin.

Now its startoing to turn.

Go and watch video highlights (the big ones) to see proof of what I said.

Its not a rank turner. Atleast NOT YET.

Rank turners are pitches that spin big from day 1. This is NOT one of them.
 
Bilal7 said:
What a session of cricket. Absolutely captivating and I didn't even want to distract myself by opening up PP. Amla played superbly on this rank turner, until that dismissal, which was disappointing to see.

Boneheaded captaincy from Kohli though, why in the world was he bowling his "fast bowlers"? If he was trying to get them to create rough then it could have easily resulted in one or both getting banned for the rest of the match. Besides, the ball has been spinning from the start.

ABD has got his wicket back twice now, along with being lucky many other times, he needs to ensure that South Africa at least match India's score. All in all, another juicy session awaits us.
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Amla was playing brilliantly till that one shot.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
ABD mess up is criminal.

Its FREAKING ABD.

Not some lulloo we are talking about here.
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The score reminds me of the first Test in Sri Lanka this year. Pretty much the same total when two Lankan batsmen were spared by the umpires in the same over. What happened next was an unbelievable comeback.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
I never said Aussies are wrong in doing it. They have rights too.

But Aussie pitches have gone flatter due to drop in.

WC 2015 was a farce because of that.

Its just that flat tracks anywhere in the world would get criticized. We can't use green tops and rank turner logics to defend flat tracks.

Tomorrow if Bangladesh keeps producing flat tracks to get draws from top teams and decreases their rankings, I can see a whine fest.

At that time, no one will care about its Bangladesh's right to do what is good for them (that is a draw).
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Aussies have never produced green tracks so why would they change now. There are only 2-3 wickets that are sometimes green. Hobart usually, Gabba 50% of the time, and Perth sometimes. The rest are either flat or offer turn.

It's just that last year India played 3 of the matches on flat wickets. Gabba was the only seamer but there were no seam bowlers bowling. Hazlewood was the only one who could exploit the conditions and he did.

Had you played 3 of your games on Gabba, Perth and Hobart; you'd have a completely different view on their pitches.

As for ODIs, they've always been flat wickets. Sometimes SA, NZ, Eng produce green tracks or India/SL produce a turner but that's it. Problem is the shortened boundaries, two new balls and 4 fielders which has created the impression that wickets have now become flatter.
 
Zak_Fan said:
The score reminds me of the first Test in Sri Lanka this year. Pretty much the same total when two Lankan batsmen were spared by the umpires in the same over. What happened next was an unbelievable comeback.
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Every day is not sunday but you don't need a sunday for an ABD special. :))
 
ChachaCricket said:
Aussies have never produced green tracks so why would they change now. There are only 2-3 wickets that are sometimes green. Hobart usually, Gabba 50% of the time, and Perth sometimes. The rest are either flat or offer turn.

It's just that last year India played 3 of the matches on flat wickets. Gabba was the only seamer but there were no seam bowlers bowling. Hazlewood was the only one who could exploit the conditions and he did.

Had you played 3 of your games on Gabba, Perth and Hobart; you'd have a completely different view on their pitches.

As for ODIs, they've always been flat wickets. Sometimes SA, NZ, Eng produce green tracks or India/SL produce a turner but that's it. Problem is the shortened boundaries, two new balls and 4 fielders which has created the impression that wickets have now become flatter.
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1. I never said Austtralia has to produce green tracks. Don't go to the other extreme bro. Aussie tracks aren't the same as in the past. 90s it was good, 2000s it got better but now with drop ins and what not...its best for batting.

2. Check ODIs in Aus in 90s. Hardly flat tracks. Even 2000s...it wasn't as easy to score as now. Comparison doesn't hold.

3. If Aus played in Gabba, Hobart and Perth a lot, then question doesn't arise. BUT they don't. So its a moot point. And Gabba is pretty docile too these days compared to its past.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
What match are you watching?

I watched ball by ball WHOLE SESSION.

First hour...ball wasn't swinging or seaming or even spinning much. It was slow spin.

Now its startoing to turn.

Go and watch video highlights (the big ones) to see proof of what I said.

Its not a rank turner. Atleast NOT YET.

Rank turners are pitches that spin big from day 1. This is NOT one of them.
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Then you're confused by what you saw.

The ball has been spinning from the first over of the first day that South Africa's spinners bowled. How in the world do you explain Elgar's wickets or Tahir's ripping googlies? Then we saw Mishra rip a few past the outside edge and stump yesterday too, with two South African batsmen falling.

The Indian pacers are *****, that's why they didn't get anything out of this pitch. Watch how intelligently Philander and Rabada bowled yesterday.

Then today, it was the brilliance of Amla and the tenacity of Elgar that gives you the illusion that the ball wasn't doing anything. Were you listening when the Indian commies were praising Amla's superb technique? Were you paying attention when he was batting way inside his crease to throw Ashwin off from his usual plan of pitching it on a good-length? Surely you must have watched Elgar just surviving through sheer will while Ashwin, Jadeja and Mishra were all troubling him.

The pitch didn't suddenly decide to turn when AB came on to bat. You just saw how difficult it is out there when the best batsman in the world was made to look like a confused puppy and was all but dismissed, twice.

It has been spinning BIG from DAY 1. That's why only one batsman has scored a fifty in this game, so far.



Abhilash93 said:
Amla was playing brilliantly till that one shot.
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That shot wasn't a bad one either, Ashwin bowled a ripper.

ChachaCricket said:
Rank turners turn square. It isn't at that level yet. Needs 1-2 more days of wear and tear.
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If this pitch is turning so much on days one and two, it is certainly going to turn rectangular by the fourth innings and thus, is a rank turner.
 
No comments on what Gavasker, Elgar or the other experts have been saying about this pitch? Don't know why it's so hard to admit that this is a rank-turner.
 
Bilal7 said:
Then you're confused by what you saw.

The ball has been spinning from the first over of the first day that South Africa's spinners bowled. How in the world do you explain Elgar's wickets or Tahir's ripping googlies? Then we saw Mishra rip a few past the outside edge and stump yesterday too, with two South African batsmen falling.

The Indian pacers are *****, that's why they didn't get anything out of this pitch. Watch how intelligently Philander and Rabada bowled yesterday.

Then today, it was the brilliance of Amla and the tenacity of Elgar that gives you the illusion that the ball wasn't doing anything. Were you listening when the Indian commies were praising Amla's superb technique? Were you paying attention when he was batting way inside his crease to throw Ashwin off from his usual plan of pitching it on a good-length? Surely you must have watched Elgar just surviving through sheer will while Ashwin, Jadeja and Mishra were all troubling him.

The pitch didn't suddenly decide to turn when AB came on to bat. You just saw how difficult it is out there when the best batsman in the world was made to look like a confused puppy and was all but dismissed, twice.

It has been spinning BIG from DAY 1. That's why only one batsman has scored a fifty in this game, so far.





That shot wasn't a bad one either, Ashwin bowled a ripper.



If this pitch is turning so much on days one and two, it is certainly going to turn rectangular by the fourth innings and thus, is a rank turner.
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OIh dear Lord. You are soo confused that you are all over the place with your explanation.

1. The track yesterday spun towards the evening. Today morning it wasn't doing anything. Tracks don't behave the same way as overnight. Sometimes it takes time to turn. Even Mumbai 2012 track on Day 3 morning was pretty tame but SUDDENLY started coming to life and England collapsed and India collapsed. Watch highlights for proof.

2. Amla was great but let's have some perspective. The first hour wasn't hard. Then when it started spinning and Amla looked good...praise for him flew in from even fans here.

3. The track when SA batted didn't even spin for first 5 overs yesterday (very little even for Ashwin) and then spun a bit and later spun more towards the end. Today morning the same routine is being followed (though it spun slow at the start). This track has been spinning from Day 1 does NOT mean its spinning from Ball 1. Someone can post Ashwin's first 4 overs yesterday highlight and show you the proof.
 
Bilal7 said:
No comments on what Gavasker, Elgar or the other experts have been saying about this pitch? Don't know why it's so hard to admit that this is a rank-turner.
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Rank turners spin from ball 1. This doesn't.

When you video proof is there, what else you need.

Even Gavaskar, Ravi Shastri said Sachin didn't tamper the ball in SA but then you used the video proof logic and IGNORED their comments.

Why not now? ;-)
 
Ashwin is fast turning out to be one of the most valuable players India has produced. Best spinner in Asian conditions + a good enough batsman. India is so fortunate to have him.
 
soso_killer said:
At this rate this game will be over by tea tommorrow. A complete farce really.
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Lets see what Saffa bowlers do in the second innings, I doubt they will do much. India's first inning dismissals were mostly batsmen throwing their wickets away.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
1. I never said Austtralia has to produce green tracks. Don't go to the other extreme bro. Aussie tracks aren't the same as in the past. 90s it was good, 2000s it got better but now with drop ins and what not...its best for batting.

2. Check ODIs in Aus in 90s. Hardly flat tracks. Even 2000s...it wasn't as easy to score as now. Comparison doesn't hold.

3. If Aus played in Gabba, Hobart and Perth a lot, then question doesn't arise. BUT they don't. So its a moot point. And Gabba is pretty docile too these days compared to its past.
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Problem is Australia has 2 sports competing for its stadiums. So you can't get away from drop in pitches.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Ashwin is fast turning out to be one of the most valuable players India has produced. Best spinner in Asian conditions + a good enough batsman. India is so fortunate to have him.
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Indeed, currently he is the best spinner across all formats.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Rank turners spin from ball 1. This doesn't.

When you video proof is there, what else you need.

Even Gavaskar, Ravi Shastri said Sachin didn't tamper the ball in SA but then you used the video proof logic and IGNORED their comments.

Why not now? ;-)
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They were lying to save their face. They had no incentive to lie about the pitch, did they?

sensible-indian-fan said:
OIh dear Lord. You are soo confused that you are all over the place with your explanation.

1. The track yesterday spun towards the evening. Today morning it wasn't doing anything. Tracks don't behave the same way as overnight. Sometimes it takes time to turn. Even Mumbai 2012 track on Day 3 morning was pretty tame but SUDDENLY started coming to life and England collapsed and India collapsed. Watch highlights for proof.

2. Amla was great but let's have some perspective. The first hour wasn't hard. Then when it started spinning and Amla looked good...praise for him flew in from even fans here.

3. The track when SA batted didn't even spin for first 5 overs yesterday (very little even for Ashwin) and then spun a bit and later spun more towards the end. Today morning the same routine is being followed (though it spun slow at the start). This track has been spinning from Day 1 does NOT mean its spinning from Ball 1. Someone can post Ashwin's first 4 overs yesterday highlight and show you the proof.
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Nice comeback, lol. "I'm not confused, you are!"

1) South Africa bowled their seamers at the start, it was obviously not going to turn much when there are no spinners bowling! When Elgar, Harmer and Tahir started bowling, it was clear that the ball was turning and that is why a team like India was dismissed for 200. Nothing happens suddenly, this is rubbish thinking. The ball was turning but Vijay was handling it well until he got out.

2) Again, for the first half hour, Virat "Genius Aggression" Kohli decided to start with his pace bowlers and not Ashwin and Jadeja. So obviously it wasn't going to turn when there were no spinners bowling. Mishra was still getting the ball to turn and when Jadeja and Ashwin came on, they were turning it too, which was evident when Elgar was just managing to survive. When he got out, we saw AB totally unable to handle the same turn that Amla and Elgar were dealing with, Vilas showed this too.

3) Wow! A track that didn't spin until Ashwin had bowled his first four overs. Yes, definitely not a rank turner if it took more than four overs of spin, on day one to start turning.
 
This Star Commentary team is so bland and boring.

Would have loved to listen to some one like Barry Richards (i guess he isn't to much commentary jobs these days) or Robin jackman (another commie who isn't doing much commentary, post his throat cancer treatment).

Is that out?
 
Bilal7 said:
They were lying to save their face. They had no incentive to lie about the pitch, did they?



Nice comeback, lol. "I'm not confused, you are!"

1) South Africa bowled their seamers at the start, it was obviously not going to turn much when there are no spinners bowling! When Elgar, Harmer and Tahir started bowling, it was clear that the ball was turning and that is why a team like India was dismissed for 200. Nothing happens suddenly, this is rubbish thinking. The ball was turning but Vijay was handling it well until he got out.

2) Again, for the first half hour, Virat "Genius Aggression" Kohli decided to start with his pace bowlers and not Ashwin and Jadeja. So obviously it wasn't going to turn when there were no spinners bowling. Mishra was still getting the ball to turn and when Jadeja and Ashwin came on, they were turning it too, which was evident when Elgar was just managing to survive. When he got out, we saw AB totally unable to handle the same turn that Amla and Elgar were dealing with, Vilas showed this too.

3) Wow! A track that didn't spin until Ashwin had bowled his first four overs. Yes, definitely not a rank turner if it took more than four overs of spin, on day one to start turning.
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1. First hour, Mishra bowled and slow spin was there. So spin was there. Barring the odd ball that spun a lot, there wasn't much spin. Now its spinning if you bowl in the right areas.

3) Wow! A track that didn't spin until Ashwin had bowled his first four overs. Yes, definitely not a rank turner if it took more than four overs of spin, on day one to start turning.
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It didn't spin like a rank turner even till the end. The spin got bigger but not a rank turner.

Problem is that you have NO IDEA what's a rank turner hence you are not getting my point. I am not saying the pitch doesn't spin but as Asian you should know what's a rank turner and what's a spin track and what';s a spin track with bounce issues and what's a spin track that has tough areas and easy areas in the pitches.
 
AB should anchor for now, Philander should be the on to utilize the long-handle. Get the trail down to fifty and then play normally.
 
Pretty good catch from rahane

Proving to be one of the solid slip catcher for us (there aren't many) in the last few decades
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
1. First hour, Mishra bowled and slow spin was there. So spin was there. Barring the odd ball that spun a lot, there wasn't much spin. Now its spinning if you bowl in the right areas.



It didn't spin like a rank turner even till the end. The spin got bigger but not a rank turner.

Problem is that you have NO IDEA what's a rank turner hence you are not getting my point. I am not saying the pitch doesn't spin but as Asian you should know what's a rank turner and what's a spin track and what';s a spin track with bounce issues and what's a spin track that has tough areas and easy areas in the pitches.
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You're making zero sense here. A rank-turner doesn't have to spin from ball one, heck I would like to see a pitch on which there was turn from ball one, if there is substantial turn on day one and day two seems like day five, the pitch in question is a rank turner.

You're standing on your own on this issue, everyone else and their dog knows that this pitch is very conducive to spin bowling.
 
Very interested to see how India bat in second innings. It will not be as easy for Elgar this time.
 
Bilal7 said:
You're making zero sense here. A rank-turner doesn't have to spin from ball one, heck I would like to see a pitch on which there was turn from ball one, if there is substantial turn on day one and day two seems like day five, the pitch in question is a rank turner.

You're standing on your own on this issue, everyone else and their dog knows that this pitch is very conducive to spin bowling.
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Very conducive for spinn bowling = Rank turner ?

I don't know as much about Cricket as some of you guys, but aren't rank-turners the ones where ball flies all directions unexpectedly every now and then? So far this game, the spin has been quite consistent.
 
No close in fielders for ABD and easy singles on offer.

What the hell is going on?

Yes, you need to protect the boundaries at this stage but what the hell is this field?
 
ABD is slowly but surely getting back his touch. His feet has started to move more freely and correctly now.

Ominous signs for Indian bowlers.
 
AB starts shaky, but once he crosses 20, opposition gets scared and starts serving him pies. Such is his reputation. :ab
 
Ashwin nearly had his 5th wicket fo the inning (and 150th in tests) there

Lucky simon harmer!
 
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