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India vs South Africa | 3rd Test | Johannesburg | Jan 24-28, 2018 | Day 3 | Discussion Thread [#490]

This match should have been called off during Indian innings itself.

But

On the basis of THAT ball to elgar, its not fair to call it off.
 
Not sure why SA are being called sissies when the umpires have taken the decision themselves to come off. Gavaskar is just a crybaby.
 
Cry me a river. If anything is disgraceful, it's some Indian posters behaviour in this thread.

The umpires halted play, not the Proteas.
 
... and the Oscar goes to... Dean Elgar and rest of the brave South African team, ladies and gentlemen!
 
DRsohail said:
OK call it.But history suggest many other things as well i dont want his words to backfire.
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SA is playing at home. They wanted a fast bouncy green pitch. Now that it has backfired they are running away.

Has India ever run away after being on the backfoot on a raging turner?
 
Syed1 said:
It will only be called off for the day and they will put rollers etc tomorrow and reassess... you guys are crying as if all 9 Saffer wickets would have fallen today.
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But the whole 6.4.4 thing seems unfair on India we batted in the same conditions, if it is used then you are basically unnaturally changing conditions of the pitch and it gives an unfair advantage to the saffers.
 
Boi said:
Not sure why SA are being called sissies when the umpires have taken the decision themselves to come off. Gavaskar is just a crybaby.
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Umpires can halt the game only when captain wants to walk off.
 
dhonixi said:
[MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] if you want to frame a lie, atleast do try little better.
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How is it a lie? Gavaskar's team did exactly the same that he's accusing the SA of.. i.e backing out from facing opposition bowling. Obviously the decision stands with the umpires. If the umpires feel the play should go on in this case.. it will go on.
 
jagatk said:
But the whole 6.4.4 thing seems unfair on India we batted in the same conditions, if it is used then you are basically unnaturally changing conditions of the pitch and it gives an unfair advantage to the saffers.
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It is unfair but they probably think it has worsened. Which is not true from what we have seen.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Cry me a river. If anything is disgraceful, it's some Indian posters behaviour in this thread.

The umpires halted play, not the Proteas.
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The antics of SA batsmen were pretty evident.

Cant play on their own pitches if asked to bat last. Chickens.
 
Lol.. Now some PPers are really confused whether to call India Flat Track Bully or Green Track Bully😂😂
 
Ozymandiasza said:
"WATCH - 8.3 Umpires halt play after Elgar cops blow on helmet (Ind subcontinental only)"

Direct quote.
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Yes it was stopped after that and players are going back after capatain agreed to take the break.

If captain says that he wants to play, umpires would have resumed the game.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
SA is playing at home. They wanted a fast bouncy green pitch. Now that it has backfired they are running away.

Has India ever run away after being on the backfoot on a raging turner?
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Except there's one difference.. raging turners are not a detriment to one's health like this pitch this.
 
jagatk said:
But the whole 6.4.4 thing seems unfair on India we batted in the same conditions, if it is used then you are basically unnaturally changing conditions of the pitch and it gives an unfair advantage to the saffers.
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6.4.4 clearly states that if changing the nature of the pitch benefits one team over the other then it won't be changed.
 
They need to call it off. It's in the players heads now and that's not fair.
Last thing we need is another PH.
I understand the Indians will say it's unfair but u have to look at the grand scheme of things.
If umpires don't call it off, if I was faf I would declare
 
Proactive_ said:
How is it a lie? Gavaskar's team did exactly the same that he's accusing the SA of.. i.e backing out from facing opposition bowling. Obviously the decision stands with the umpires. If the umpires feel the play should go on in this case.. it will go on.
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Trying to getting a match called off and declaring knowing you will lose because of the decision are 2 different things, if you didn't have an agenda you would have understood that.
 
Proactive_ said:
How is it a lie? Gavaskar's team did exactly the same that he's accusing the SA of.. i.e backing out from facing opposition bowling. Obviously the decision stands with the umpires. If the umpires feel the play should go on in this case.. it will go on.
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Gavaskars team didnot stop the match. SA are free to say they wont bat.
 
jagatk said:
Trying to getting a match called off and declaring knowing you will lose because of the decision are 2 different things, if you didn't have an agenda you would have understood that.
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The decision lies with the umpires, if they feel the match should go on, it will. If you were not blinded by your agenda, you would have understood that.
 
Abdullah said:
They need to call it off. It's in the players heads now and that's not fair.
Last thing we need is another PH.
I understand the Indians will say it's unfair but u have to look at the grand scheme of things.
If umpires don't call it off, if I was faf I would declare
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India just scored 250 here.
 
Syed1 said:
So you mean to say the Saffers were misplaying the balls on purpose and taking body blows in the hopes that the match will be called off?
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both you and me know the truth, one: the pitch is not as bad as it has been made out to be, two: SA have already got a huge advantage by evading play where 4-5 could be lost three: integrity of the whole series is under question and importance of toss even with this useless Indian batting unit is open for all to see.

I feel Faf should put his hands down and refuse to play now, Proteas have been succesful in what they wanted to do , lost respect of everyone except a few, Look at the clueless and ashamed proteas commentators on tv, they are accepting it so who are you lol
 
Think the game is too far along to call it off now.

Not the fault of the players, but the officials and match ref.
 
No wonder test cricket sucks, it’s one of the most challenging pitches to bat on and people are calling the match off?

Keep making one sided matches and tests will die hopefully soon now.
 
Abdullah said:
They need to call it off. It's in the players heads now and that's not fair.
Last thing we need is another PH.
I understand the Indians will say it's unfair but u have to look at the grand scheme of things.
If umpires don't call it off, if I was faf I would declare
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He is free to do that. No one would begrudge him that, they have already won the series, don't play act your way out of the loss is what I want.
 
mmkextreme_1 said:
Gavaskar saying that if the boot was on the other foot, and India was chasing this target and the match was going to be abandoned then they would have been called sissies for doing so.
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A poor end to this series.

Batting has never been easy on Day-4 and Day-5 in this series. There is lot of uneven bounce right through the series.

Elgar is a poor player of short pitch stuff. It is quite evident. He will be severely tested by Aussies.
 
I won't be surprised if some PP experts start claiming that India would have suffered a whitewash had the match been completed
 
cricketjoshila said:
The antics of SA batsmen were pretty evident.

Cant play on their own pitches if asked to bat last. Chickens.
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Let’s not call them chickens, the entire blame goes to umpires for asking captain,. Match should have continued, the pitch is lively but it’s not deadly.. See the balls to Elgar most of them were short pitched not pitched in good length and hit him on the head so his technique is poor in addition to pitch being lively..
 
Proactive_ said:
The decision lies with the umpires, if they feel the match should go on, it will. If you were not blinded by your agenda, you would have understood that.
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Again at least polish your lies to sound like truths mate, the decision does not lie with the umpires unless the captains agree they can't do anything like that. Stating lies as fact don't make them facts.
 
DHONI_FAN said:
I won't be surprised if some PP experts start claiming that India would have suffered a whitewash had the match been completed
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Has the match been called off ??
Have you seen india play overseas in the past . They are favourites but its not a foregone conclusion.
 
Abdullah said:
They need to call it off. It's in the players heads now and that's not fair.
Last thing we need is another PH.
I understand the Indians will say it's unfair but u have to look at the grand scheme of things.
If umpires don't call it off, if I was faf I would declare
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Let him declare, atleast then India will get their win which they thoroughly deserve.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Fair comments. Fully agreed.

About time you praise Kohli and Ashwin for their performance too.

Kohli has been head and shoulders above all uptil now. Clutch knock in Cape Town and in here.

And Ashwin has averaged 30 with the ball in a series where his counterpart has been averaging over 100. Would have averaged late teens to low twenties had all catches been taken. Some gutsy performances with the bat too.
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[MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] - You replied?
 
Elgar getting hit resulting in stopping the play was a poor decision. He didn't get hit due to pitch.

Pitch is a poor one though.
 
Let's end this debate, I think the test now should be called off as it was stopped at a shameful juncture and can not be undone.

Looking forward to the ODI series, hope conditions will not be toss dependent and our batters can learn to hold the bats,
Congrats SA
 
Even if the match continues, Proteas have only lost 1 wicket and that is a hugeee advantage.
 
jagatk said:
Again at least polish your lies to sound like truths mate, the decision does not lie with the umpires unless the captains agree they can't do anything like that. Stating lies as fact don't make them facts.
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The decision to deem the pitch as dangerous does lie with the umpires. Seems like you might need to brush up on your knowledge.

2.8.2 The Umpires shall immediately suspend play, or not allow play to start or to recommence, if either umpire considers that the conditions of ground, weather or light, or any other circumstances are either dangerous or unreasonable.
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Get educated.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Cry me a river. If anything is disgraceful, it's some Indian posters behaviour in this thread.

The umpires halted play, not the Proteas.
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These Indians really want the entire world to start hating them. I came here to say that this game should definitely NOT be called off and India should get to bowl twice on a pitch that they batted twice on. However, Gavasker making a fool of himself on air and some of the ignorant comments in this thread makes me wish the game is called off just so these cry babies get what they deserve.

Once again, the umpires took the players off the pitch, South Africa had nothing to do with it.
 
Proactive_ said:
The decision to deem the pitch as dangerous does lie with the umpires. Seems like you might need to brush up on your knowledge.



Get educated.
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That won't work at this stage of the game, if it gets called off it will be after taking both captains into account or not at all. Use your common sense rather than just ctrl + c.
 
Syed1 said:
It will only be called off for the day and they will put rollers etc tomorrow and reassess... you guys are crying as if all 9 Saffer wickets would have fallen today.
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Not all 9 but the remaining duration was surely uncomfortable for South Africans. They were in survival mode and umpires gave them what they wanted.

India at this stage are looking better - both mentally and skillwise.
 
Bilal7 said:
These Indians really want the entire world to start hating them. I came here to say that this game should definitely NOT be called off and India should get to bowl twice on a pitch that they batted twice on. However, Gavasker making a fool of himself on air and some of the ignorant comments in this thread makes me wish the game is called off just so these cry babies get what they deserve.

Once again, the umpires took the players off the pitch, South Africa had nothing to do with it.
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But play could resume if Faf wanted.
 
Bilal7 said:
These Indians really want the entire world to start hating them. I came here to say that this game should definitely NOT be called off and India should get to bowl twice on a pitch that they batted twice on. However, Gavasker making a fool of himself on air and some of the ignorant comments in this thread makes me wish the game is called off just so these cry babies get what they deserve.

Once again, the umpires took the players off the pitch, South Africa had nothing to do with it.
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I live in Dubai and my office Indian colleagues are sending me crying messages and they feel we all conspired to postpone this match. Gavaskar comments have further intensified their feelings. They are losing this series 2-0 just imagine if they would have won this series how they would have teacted
 
troodon said:
A poor end to this series.

Batting has never been easy on Day-4 and Day-5 in this series. There is lot of uneven bounce right through the series.

Elgar is a poor player of short pitch stuff. It is quite evident. He will be severely tested by Aussies.
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The match hasn't been called off, has it?
 
Man, gotta respect the indian team here especially Virat Kholi... They played really well here now I wanna see how ATG players Amla and AB are gonna play on this match. They better not run away from it and get this test match called off or something.
 
BaankeJi said:
But play could resume if Faf wanted.
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No, sir, that is untrue. The umpires can even end the game if they feel that the playing conditions are too dangerous, even if the entire world wants play to go on, let alone Faf du Plessis.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Fair comments. Fully agreed.

About time you praise Kohli and Ashwin for their performance too.

Kohli has been head and shoulders above all uptil now. Clutch knock in Cape Town and in here.

And Ashwin has averaged 30 with the ball in a series where his counterpart has been averaging over 100. Would have averaged late teens to low twenties had all catches been taken. Some gutsy performances with the bat too.
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Sorry this post got lost in the shuffle.

Yes, I'd definitely rate Ashwin's performances as an all rounder in this series, not as much as a bowler. He was toothless in the only innings he was supposed to be the prime bowler in i.e the second innings at Centurion. He had a grand total of 2 top order wickets in the series. Not good enough as a bowler but decent as a bowling all rounder.

As for Kohli, he has been start stop in this series. Obviously the 153 is the best innings of the series but still De Villiers has been the best batsman of this series to me, if he fails in the 2nd innings then Kohli would be the best batsman of the series.
 
BaankeJi said:
Not all 9 but the remaining duration was surely uncomfortable for South Africans. They were in survival mode and umpires gave them what they wanted.
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Any captain has to to be stupid to not take an offer to walk in similar situation. Why will you blame captain here?
 
cricketjoshila said:
The antics of SA batsmen were pretty evident.

Cant play on their own pitches if asked to bat last. Chickens.
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The game should be continued.Why umpire didn't call it off during early part of Indian innings! Indian batsmen took all the pain on fingers,chest,abdomen and completed the innings took India to a winning position and suddenly in early part of SA innings when the host is batting on their own pitch the game is called off.Very very unfair.
 
Buffet said:
Any captain has to to be stupid to not take an offer to walk in similar situation. Why will you blame captain here?
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You can't moan about spinning conditions 24x7 when in india then moan some more when you don't get a green pitch in your own country and then top it off by try to chicken out of a loss by getting the match called off on a green bouncy track because your batsman are scared of opposition bowlers who bowl 5-8 k's slower than your own guys especially when the other team batted it's quota without complaint.
 
Bilal7 said:
These Indians really want the entire world to start hating them. I came here to say that this game should definitely NOT be called off and India should get to bowl twice on a pitch that they batted twice on. However, Gavasker making a fool of himself on air and some of the ignorant comments in this thread makes me wish the game is called off just so these cry babies get what they deserve.

Once again, the umpires took the players off the pitch, South Africa had nothing to do with it.
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Gavaskar's commentary quality is going down. Today when Shami hit his first six he said "That's an IPL shot". As if there was not a single six being hit before IPL came into existence. Do they get paid for mentioning IPL everytime by sponsors also?
 
I am an ardent BCCI hater and hence hate Indian cricket and its tiranga goggle wearing fans with Passion BUT I like to call spade a spade. THIS IS UNFAIR what is happening. SA deserves to lose.

South Africans have played a lousy cricket. They have been very uncharacteristically soft throughout the game. Their bowlers I noticed were not bowling with any passion as if they thought Indians would chicken out and give the wickets on a platter. They did not attack the stumps. South Africans were just ambling in bowling mostly either short without much Venom (mostly) followed by balls outside the off stump hoping to find batsmen fishing in desperation.

Indians on the other hand fought it out bravely. They were mostly patient and attacked the balls when required. The bowlers bowled smartly. They have already lost the series and had nothing to lose. To me, it sounds obvious that Indians were more concentrated and wanted to gain respect by winning this match Vs South Africans who have been caught off guard for their lack of concentration after a false assumption of Indians being soft on a bouncy wicket.

It is now India's game to lose and SA can only hope for a miracle.
 
Man I like to troll Indians as much as the next Pakistani who comments after me, but this is very unfair on them. Their batsmen, specially Vijay, had the guts to fight it out on this wicket.
 
jagatk said:
You can't moan about spinning conditions 24x7 when in india then moan some more when you don't get a green pitch in your own country and then top it off by try to chicken out of a loss by getting the match called off on a green bouncy track because your batsman are scared of opposition bowlers who bowl 5-8 k's slower than your own guys especially when the other team batted it's quota without complaint.
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It will be pretty disappointing if this match gets abandoned. This match deserves a result and India badly need a win abroad. That will give Kohli a lot of confidence before our next away assignment. Hopefully South Africa will not chicken out and get all out under 150.
 
Wow SA cricket team now sending it's manager to flat out lie to the media apparently the ball that hit Elgar reared off a good length, I did not know 8.5 meters away from the crease is considered good length in SA.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Man I like to troll Indians as much as the next Pakistani who comments after me, but this is very unfair on them. Their batsmen, specially Vijay, had the guts to fight it out on this wicket.
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Rahane, Bhuvi and Shami also contributed here. All this effort will go in vain if this match gets abandoned.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It will be pretty disappointing if this match gets abandoned. This match deserves a result and India badly need a win abroad. That will give Kohli a lot of confidence before our next away assignment. Hopefully South Africa will not chicken out and get all out under 150.
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I don't mind if they worry about the pitch, declare if you don't want to risk your batsman. That would be taking a stand calling a match off would be just sore loser stuff. Hopefully they play on at we get a result here.
 
jagatk said:
Wow SA cricket team now sending it's manager to flat out lie to the media apparently the ball that hit Elgar reared off a good length, I did not know 8.5 meters away from the crease is considered good length in SA.
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Fake news pandemic. :(
 
In fact this was as good an exhibition of batting skill, technique and guts by a sub continental team abroad as I have seen in a lifetime of watching Test cricket.

And the Indian bowling attack was at another level altogether.
 
Shame on some people who are desperate to start this Dead rubber just for the sake of 1 Win, did the world not learn anything from
Phil Hughes incident ? A young 25 year nice bloke died due to intimidating bowling and what if something like this happens here ? Who will be blamed or accounted for ? Is this a decider Test ? No. The Series Result is already decided. Then why making a life out of it ? There are 6 ODI’s planned, cancel 3 ODI’s and play another Test instead of it and get this test abandoned.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Shame on some people who are desperate to start this Dead rubber just for the sake of 1 Win, did the world not learn anything from
Phil Hughes incident ? A young 25 year nice bloke died due to intimidating bowling and what if something like this happens here ? Who will be blamed or accounted for ? Is this a decider Test ? No. The Series Result is already decided. Then why making a life out of it ? There are 6 ODI’s planned, cancel 3 ODI’s and play another Test instead of it and get this test abandoned.
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But this green pitch was especially prepared to annihilate Indians. When they have got into wining position ppl are talking about rematch.
 
DHONI_FAN said:
But this green pitch was especially prepared to annihilate Indians. When they have got into wining position ppl are talking about rematch.
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So Indians who are yet to take 9 remaining wickets already think they would have won this Test ? And they want to Win this Test even if someone Dies like Phil Hughes. Well the Pitch has become more dangerous during last 1 one hour of the match, and it might become more dangerous.
 
Sarwar89 said:
So Indians who are yet to take 9 remaining wickets already think they would have won this Test ? And they want to Win this Test even if someone Dies like Phil Hughes. Well the Pitch has become more dangerous during last 1 one hour of the match, and it might become more dangerous.
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Only last one hour ???oh yeah ? Hahahahahahaha.....oh man.....common sense is certainly not so common
 
Sarwar89 said:
So Indians who are yet to take 9 remaining wickets already think they would have won this Test ? And they want to Win this Test even if someone Dies like Phil Hughes. Well the Pitch has become more dangerous during last 1 one hour of the match, and it might become more dangerous.
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Has there been a ball bowled in this match which climbed off a good length and hit the helmet? I have not seen the entire game but whatever I saw, I did not see such a steep bounce. Yes it is a trampoline but judging it dangerous while other bats have faced the similar balls without making fuss would be unfair.

As far as your comment about Hughes is concerned, that was an unfortunate incident which had nothing to do with the pitch. Do you want crickets to stop paying cricket for bouncers? Malik just had the ball hit on the back of the head so you will argue to just roll the ball over to the wicket keeper as a precaution when fielding? Wrong analogy my friend.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For this match to be called off, there will need to be proof of deterioration beyond what was acceptable when India were batting. I have little doubt that play will resume with no repairs to the pitch.</p>— Harsha Bhogle (@bhogleharsha) <a href="https://twitter.com/bhogleharsha/status/956935638279913473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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He's right, but regardless of the rights or wrongs of it, I don't think a senior broadcaster with that much experience will post this in public unless he already knew the decision.
 
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