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India’s series win in Australia and New Zealand’s victory in India were both groundbreaking. India conquered Australia with resilience, while New Zealand ended India’s home dominance. Which of these wins is the bigger achievement?

Note: New Zealand beat the full strength Indian team at home. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
India’s series win in Australia and New Zealand’s victory in India were both groundbreaking. India conquered Australia with resilience, while New Zealand ended India’s home dominance. Which of these wins is the bigger achievement?

Note: New Zealand beat the full strength Indian team at home. :inti
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India also beat full strength OZ in 2021
 
Thats tricky as both are greatest series win in test cricket history .

But still i think india win in australia was slightly ahead simply due to quality of Indian players.

Nevertheless this is NZ greatest ever win in history for test cricket ( WTC final win crying in the corner lol)
 
sweep_shot said:
NZ win is bigger. Much bigger.

India played Australia at a time when Aussies were not quite gelled well. Cummins was new to captaincy. Sharpness was missing from Australia. Since then, Aussies have won 3 ICC trophies and are a much better team now.
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The only possible bigger series win would be if Bangladesh can actually beat USA in a bilateral T20 series.
 
I think India winning in Australia, because an upset will always be remembered.

NZ was never the under dogs here.
 
New Zealand. Not particularly close.
India had won there in 2018/19. That series was always a match-up of equals.

NZ were hopelessly outgunned here. Having not won a test in 36 years. Add to that India had not lost a series in 12 years.

The only comparable one is Lanka in Africa. This is far far bigger than that as well.

Fleming NZ drew against Waugh's Australia. Imagine them winning. Only that imaginary victory could compare.
 
sweep_shot said:
NZ win is bigger. Much bigger.

India played Australia at a time when Aussies were not quite gelled well. Cummins was new to captaincy. Sharpness was missing from Australia. Since then, Aussies have won 3 ICC trophies and are a much better team now.
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Cummins was not the captain.
Tim Paine was the leader.
 
Dolund Trump said:
Cummins was not the captain.
Tim Paine was the leader.
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You are right. I remember now.

Anyway, point is Australia kind of had a leadership vacuum then. They have won 3 ICC trophies since then and are far more well-gelled now.

Therefore, NZ beating India is much bigger than India beating Australia.
 
NZ winning in India is bigger. NZ record is woeful in India, also in recent times they haven't been great in Asia in last few series either.

Winning a single test was seen as a good feat, but to comprehensively beat India 2-0 so far is amazing.

This India team maybe past peak, but still formidable at home.
 
India in Aus due to being a longer test series.

NZ win is right up there as well.
 
I'd say this waz one of the greatest achievements in cricket. NZ has always been the bogey team for India. You lay a green pitch and Matt Henry will run through your lineup. Go for a spinning track and this isn't the first time India lost to NZ on turners. T20 WC in 2016 was another example. If it's a flat track, Conway and Co will bat you out. That's why India can't win against NZ. Massive psychological block
 
Amjid Javed said:
NZ winning in India is bigger. NZ record is woeful in India, also in recent times they haven't been great in Asia in last few series either.

Winning a single test was seen as a good feat, but to comprehensively beat India 2-0 so far is amazing.

This India team maybe past peak, but still formidable at home.
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Rohit and Kohli are done. Rohit should retire from tests too. Losing a home series is a big deal
 
New Zealand beating India is bigger for sure.

When India beat Aus it was a good achievement but Aus weren't full strength and were in transition.

That's why in my opinion this upcoming BGT is the one we can truly decide who is the champion side as they are both at full strength.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
New Zealand beating India is bigger for sure.

When India beat Aus it was a good achievement but Aus weren't full strength and were in transition.

That's why in my opinion this upcoming BGT is the one we can truly decide who is the champion side as they are both at full strength.
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2021 india played with full strength??? India won with reserve players that too on gabba against a full strength Australian team. NZ only managed to win bcz of past sell date players like rohit ,KL jadeja and Kohli playing it's just like 2012. U can have hate for India it's okay but alteast have logical hate don't be like brain dead sweep shot who don't know what he himself is talking about .
 
HARKS said:
2021 india played with full strength??? India won with reserve players that too on gabba against a full strength Australian team. NZ only managed to win bcz of past sell date players like rohit ,KL jadeja and Kohli playing it's just like 2012. U can have hate for India it's okay but alteast have logical hate don't be like brain dead sweep shot who don't know what he himself is talking about .
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Actually you are right. In 2021 they won with essentially net bowlers. I forgot about that when making the post.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
New Zealand beating India is bigger for sure.

When India beat Aus it was a good achievement but Aus weren't full strength and were in transition.

That's why in my opinion this upcoming BGT is the one we can truly decide who is the champion side as they are both at full strength.
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India have been beating Australia black and blue for a decade tbf. 4 Consecutive series wins is nothing to be scoffed at.

India are likely to go down in the upcoming series but it should not take away from the fact that they have been the biggest thorn in Aussie flesh since the famous turnaround in Kolkata 2001.

The two teams have played 13 series in the 21st century.

India: 8 wins
Australia: 4 wins
Draw: 1

Matches: 50
India: 21
Australia: 17
Drawn: 12.

This generation of Indian cricketers have nothing left to prove in or against Australia. It's upto to the Aussies to finally get a win against them.
 
Dolund Trump said:
India have been beating Australia black and blue for a decade tbf. 4 Consecutive series wins is nothing to be scoffed at.

India are likely to go down in the upcoming series but it should not take away from the fact that they have been the biggest thorn in Aussie flesh since the famous turnaround in Kolkata 2001.

The two teams have played 13 series in the 21st century.

India: 8 wins
Australia: 4 wins
Draw: 1

Matches: 50
India: 21
Australia: 17
Drawn: 12.

This generation of Indian cricketers have nothing left to prove in or against Australia. It's upto to the Aussies to finally get a win against them.
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How have other teams fared against Aussies this century. Let's see.

England: 19W, 35L, 11D
South Africa: 12W, 20L, 4D
Sri Lanka: 4W, 13L, 3D
Pakistan: 4W, 19L, 3D
West Indies: 2W, 24L, 4D
New Zealand: 1W, 21L, 5D

Woosh.
 
By the time of the 4th test in 2021, we had no Kohli, Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Vihari and Umesh.

All that talk of us winning in Australia the previous time when Smith and Warner were absent were blown away with our performance. Especially coming back after 36/9.

Our triumph in Australia in 2020/21 is one of the greatest cricket series in history.

Not taking anything away from NZ just now.
 
NZ win is a lot bigger.

A team with a paltry 2 test wins away from home in WTC history and had just been slapped silly by Sri Lanka on similar pitches. Had not won in India for 36 long years and had never won a series in India, and India themselves on a 12 year tear at home with 18 sides trying and failing to breach their fortress. Before things kicked off the series was basically seen as a fly to swat on the way to the BGT main event.

BGT 2021 was a shock in it's own right but nowhere near the same magnitude. They turned things around from 36 AO and had a lot of juniors as the injury list piled up but there was still a core of great players to take them to a series win, which meant their standing against the aussies was not that much lower, add that to the fact they had won already on their last tour. That tour was without Smith and Warner but they still beat a good team on the same pitches.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
When India beat Aus it was a good achievement but Aus weren't full strength and were in transition.
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Who are the missing from Australia side when India beat them on 2020-21 series??

Name the missing australia player ?

India tram were missing - Kohli , Shami ( Both after 1 st ) Rohit ( for 1st and 2nd test ) Jadeja ( Last two test ) , Ashwin ( Last test ) bumrah ( Last test ) ,vihari ( Last test ) Umesh ( Last two test ).
 
Devadwal said:
Who are the missing from Australia side when India beat them on 2020-21 series??

Name the missing australia player ?

India tram were missing - Kohli , Shami ( Both after 1 st ) Rohit ( for 1st and 2nd test ) Jadeja ( Last two test ) , Ashwin ( Last test ) bumrah ( Last test ) ,vihari ( Last test ) Umesh ( Last two test ).
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Many of them here are India haters and had been long time waiting for India defeat desperately and once opportunity arrives they got so excited that they stopped thinking using their brain and type whatever **** comes out .
 
New Zealand beating the Greatest Asian test team? That’s no joke. I thought India would come back swinging after that first Kiwi drubbing, but now we are staring at a potential whitewash. And the wildest part? Kane Williamson wasn’t even in the first two Tests. :murali
 
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Whenever kohli plays for India now a days, the balance of the team seems disturbed to some sort.

Add Rohit in to the mixture and you get a team where a slightest tilt can go both the extremes.

For tests, I still do maintain that, kohli should not play. Rohit is another. Ashwin is 3rd. Jadeja should not be anywhere near.
 
Itachi said:
Whenever kohli plays for India now a days, the balance of the team seems disturbed to some sort.

Add Rohit in to the mixture and you get a team where a slightest tilt can go both the extremes.

For tests, I still do maintain that, kohli should not play. Rohit is another. Ashwin is 3rd. Jadeja should not be anywhere near.
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You forgot to mention Sir KL Rahul. :inti
 
Indian win in Australia by considerable margin.

First proper test series for India since lockdown and team had to play under strict covid rules with quarantine etc.

Team gets 36 all out in 1st game, superstar captain leaves the team and heads home.

From there a magnificent Rahane century won us the boxing day test match and level the series 1-1

Come Sydney, India needed to bat whole day and Ashwin and Vihari batted like wall where even air couldnt pass.

Then came the best test match ever played. Brisbane Gabba where Australia was unbeaten for 43 years. Meanwhile, India were without all main bowlers like Bumrah, Shami, Ashwin and Jadeja. Due to lack of options, India had to ask T.Natarajan and Sundar to play from T20 team as there were not enough players available who is fit. Going into the test match in this situation and winning it the way they did by that innings from Rishab Pant is out of the world.

Imagine if England had played this kind of series , their media will write epics on it and call Rahane greatest captain of all time etc etc.

It was a great time to be here in this forum as well. The tour thread, which still gets bumped sometime, is absolute gold and should be framed. From Junaids saying India will not be allowed to enter mainland Australia and will be confined to Christmas market, then all the asterisks of 2018 victory slapped in our face by saying look Smith and Warner is back, then the mocking and humiliating our players after 36 all out, then series is not over yet after Sydney draw to the final surrender and admission of guilt after Gabba. It is pure gold and a great time being active here as an Indian fan.

Kitne series aaye...kitne aayenge...the India's win in Australia 2021 will never be replicated. Not in million years.
 
batandballbattle said:
NZ win is a lot bigger.

A team with a paltry 2 test wins away from home in WTC history and had just been slapped silly by Sri Lanka on similar pitches. Had not won in India for 36 long years and had never won a series in India, and India themselves on a 12 year tear at home with 18 sides trying and failing to breach their fortress. Before things kicked off the series was basically seen as a fly to swat on the way to the BGT main event.

BGT 2021 was a shock in it's own right but nowhere near the same magnitude. They turned things around from 36 AO and had a lot of juniors as the injury list piled up but there was still a core of great players to take them to a series win, which meant their standing against the aussies was not that much lower, add that to the fact they had won already on their last tour. That tour was without Smith and Warner but they still beat a good team on the same pitches.
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Excellent summary NZ we're atrocious in SL, almost every would have had this series down as India winning with a whitewash. Even After 1st test, most people would have expected India to comeback and win
 
Devadwal said:
Who are the missing from Australia side when India beat them on 2020-21 series??

Name the missing australia player ?

India tram were missing - Kohli , Shami ( Both after 1 st ) Rohit ( for 1st and 2nd test ) Jadeja ( Last two test ) , Ashwin ( Last test ) bumrah ( Last test ) ,vihari ( Last test ) Umesh ( Last two test ).
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@DeadlyVenom waiting for your list of missing Australia players'.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Don't ask negative questions :afridi
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So none were missing right and talk about transition period ,all the main Pacers were playing ,all the main batsman were playing and those are still playing the test cricket so where is the imaginary transition?
 
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Every series can have players missing etc.. let's not down play Indias achievements. Both test series win in Australia were fantastic.

Separately Australia have lost to South Africa at home twice as well in last 12 years.

Whereas India were unbeaten over last 12 years at home. So for new Zealand to go to India and win is a bigger shock and upset.
 
Devadwal said:
Thats tricky as both are greatest series win in test cricket history .

But still i think india win in australia was slightly ahead simply due to quality of Indian players.

Nevertheless this is NZ greatest ever win in history for test cricket ( WTC final win crying in the corner lol)
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Yeah it would have been true if the world revolved around India but too bad it doesn’t.

Typical Indian delusion. India doesn’t enter the conversation of greatest Test series wins or losses. I can assure you.
 
This win is obviously bigger because it’s tougher to beat India in India, India has defeated Aus twice already and Saffers have won there too.

But the way Aus test series went which made the entire forum silent especially Bangla kitties, after 36 all out is what sport battles are all about.

I remember back then everyone was like why is BCCI afraid of playing in Gabba and all that nonsense, man the silence on the forum was insane.

So in terms of forum impact that one but this series win of Kiwis is obviously bigger coz India is a formidable test side.
 
Mamoon said:
Yeah it would have been true if the world revolved around India but too bad it doesn’t.

Typical Indian delusion. India doesn’t enter the conversation of greatest Test series wins or losses. I can assure you.
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Whenever there will be any talk about greatest away test series win by any nations in cricketing history , BGT 2020-21 name will Comes
 
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Devadwal said:
So none were missing right and talk about transition period ,all the main Pacers were playing ,all the main batsman were playing and those are still playing the test cricket so where is the imaginary transition?
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Maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

India beating Aussies away from home is a bit achievement but this was a shadow of Aussie ATG side. It's similar achievement ( but better yes) to when Pakistan defeated West Indies in the Caribbean for first time finally.

Kiwis have defeated a close to ATG Indian side.

Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah are all ATG players ( according to Indian)

Sharma isn't far off and Pant is according to some people already surpassed any other wicket keeper from Asia.

Therefore for Kiwis to defeat this side is a bigger achievement.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

India beating Aussies away from home is a bit achievement but this was a shadow of Aussie ATG side. It's similar achievement ( but better yes) to when Pakistan defeated West Indies in the Caribbean for first time finally.

Kiwis have defeated a close to ATG Indian side.

Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah are all ATG players ( according to Indian)

Sharma isn't far off and Pant is according to some people already surpassed any other wicket keeper from Asia.

Therefore for Kiwis to defeat this side is a bigger achievement.
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In short, the Australian team that India defeated wasn’t an all-time great like the teams from the 2000s, while the Indian team that New Zealand beat is considered by some fans to be the greatest Asian Test team of all time. :inti
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

India beating Aussies away from home is a bit achievement but this was a shadow of Aussie ATG side. It's similar achievement ( but better yes) to when Pakistan defeated West Indies in the Caribbean for first time finally.

Kiwis have defeated a close to ATG Indian side.

Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja and Bumrah are all ATG players ( according to Indian)

Sharma isn't far off and Pant is according to some people already surpassed any other wicket keeper from Asia.

Therefore for Kiwis to defeat this side is a bigger achievement.
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Which other team won any series against Australia in australia after india won the series first time - NONE

Cummins, Hazelwood and Starc were rated one the best ever pace attack in history of test cricket after 36 all out

For god sake india won the 2020-21 series with net bowlers.
 
New Zealand because India is statistically the toughest place in the world to tour. On top of that, New Zealand, who till date had won 2 Test matches in India were one of the last teams you expected to accomplish this. No team had even won in India in 12 years.

India winning in Australia was massive. But given some of their tours in the 2000s where they were pretty competitive and the strength of their side in 2018 and 2021, it wasn't entirely unexpected.

New Zealand is hardly a country known for its quality spinners. Mitch Santner averaged 38 with the ball prior to this match. He didn't even have a single test 5 wicket haul.

For them to be able to completely outplay India in these conditions is nothing short of remarkable.
 
There is a certain type of spin bowling you need to master to do well in India. Ajaz Patel is rated as a better bowler than Santner but Santner was the one who was the toughest to face for Indian batters because he mastered his skill suitable to Indian style of bowling and got the result he expected in this test.

To conclude, it is not about the bowler’s calibre but the style of bowling suited to those conditions that matters.
 
Devadwal said:
Thats tricky as both are greatest series win in test cricket history .

But still i think india win in australia was slightly ahead simply due to quality of Indian players.

Nevertheless this is NZ greatest ever win in history for test cricket ( WTC final win crying in the corner lol)
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even bigger than winning t20 wc if we look at cricket overall
 
NZ win was bigger as recently got mauled by Sri Lanka and had no chance of winning
 
The Bald Eagle said:
NZ win was bigger as recently got mauled by Sri Lanka and had no chance of winning
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Of course you will say that LOL but it is well known to everyone who understands cricket that nothing can top India's win in Australia. Absolutely Nothing.

Not only they beat Australia in Australia but beat them in Brisbane Gabba where they were undefeated for 43 years with a bowling attack of T.Natarajan (debutant), Shardul Thakur, Siraj (2nd test) and Washington Sundar. Winning a series with that team against full strength Australia was un real.

This time NZ caught an old expired Indian team off guard. Actually this was coming from a long time. India would have lost against Eng in 2021 itself but chose to do pitch tampering to save the series. This time good pitches were given and Kiwi's outplayed Indians.

However comparing it with Gabba is a joke
 
Rajdeep said:
Of course you will say that LOL but it is well known to everyone who understands cricket that nothing can top India's win in Australia. Absolutely Nothing.

Not only they beat Australia in Australia but beat them in Brisbane Gabba where they were undefeated for 43 years with a bowling attack of T.Natarajan (debutant), Shardul Thakur, Siraj (2nd test) and Washington Sundar. Winning a series with that team against full strength Australia was un real.

This time NZ caught an old expired Indian team off guard. Actually this was coming from a long time. India would have lost against Eng in 2021 itself but chose to do pitch tampering to save the series. This time good pitches were given and Kiwi's outplayed Indians.

However comparing it with Gabba is a joke
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@Rajdeep wish your team all the best for 2024 tour. C'mon its again time to hunt Aussies at home😎
 
Devadwal said:
Nevertheless this is NZ greatest ever win in history for test cricket ( WTC final win crying in the corner lol)
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NZ's greatest wins were 2000 CT win and WTC win (both came against India; LOL).

ICC trophies are more important.

Just because India can't win WTC doesn't mean it is not important.
 
Hard to judge.

I still believe Indian victory was more amazing considering India's main players were injured and India had to play bench players just to have XI fit players.
 
Another foolish article stating "India need Kohli and Rohit to regain their old aura". When will they change, how will they regain? I think they will regain once they cross 40 and win a series at home against Bangladesh...

Sad state of Indian Cricket, in spite of talents & resources...
 
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India A cleared of ball-tampering as Australia win tour game by seven wickets

India’s A team have been cleared of ball-tampering and will escape any sanction, after initially appearing to be accused of causing scratches on it against Australia A.

In an explosive start to the summer, the A-match in Mackay threatened to boil over on Sunday morning when umpires changed the ball before play on day four.

Umpire Shawn Craig also appeared to lay the blame for the matter with the tourists, who surrounded the officials to complain about the decision to change the ball.

“When you scratch it, we change the ball. No more discussion, let’s play,” Craig could be heard saying on the stump microphone.

India’s wicketkeeper Ishan Kishan was then warned by Craig he could face further sanction, after telling officials it was a “stupid decision”.

“You will be on report for dissent, that is very inappropriate behaviour,” Craig replied. “Because of your actions we changed the ball.”

However, officials opted against pursuing any further action after Australia wrapped up a seven-wicket win, with Nathan McSweeney pushing his Test case with an unbeaten 88.

“The ball used in the fourth innings of the match was changed due to deterioration,” a Cricket Australia spokesman said. “Both teams’ captain and manager were informed of the decision prior to the start of play. No further action is being taken.”

AAP understands there was no footage that showed how the ball had deteriorated, or any evidence that pointed to one particular player. Umpires also did not hand down a five-run penalty on field.

Kishan will also escape any sanction, with the matter now considered closed ahead of the next A-game starting in Melbourne on Thursday.

While occurring in an A-game, any fallout from the alleged incident would have had the potential to overshadow the start of the summer.

Kishan is not part of India’s Test squad for the Border-Gavaskar Trophy, which begins in Perth on 22 November.

Fast bowler Prasidh Krishna, allrounder Nitish Kumar and batter Abhimanyu Easwaran are the only players in the India A side who are also part of the Test squad.



www.theguardian.com

India A cleared of ball-tampering as Australia win tour game by seven wickets

India A have been cleared of ball-tampering in their loss to Australia A, after it initially appeared as if umpires had accused them of causing scratches on it
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Hmm
 
NZ win takes the cake. :inti

As far as Indian cricket is concerned:

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RamLakhan said:
Another foolish article stating "India need Kohli and Rohit to regain their old aura". When will they change, how will they regain? I think they will regain once they cross 40 and win a series at home against Bangladesh...

Sad state of Indian Cricket, in spite of talents & resources...
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India is a land of individual brilliance. They get glorified to no limit. They become Demi gods. This is why ipl also because huge success.

Let’s see if the oldies in the team get dropped at least after Aus series.
 
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