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Well if India does play in Pakistan then they have a better chance of winning CT as both countries have flat pitches like highways.
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I think going forward ICC tourneys should only be hosted by countries that have won a WC or the trophy in the format that is being played.
Therefore for ODI: only OZ, Eng, Pak, Ind, SL, WI
For T20: Oz, Eng, Pak, SL, WI, Ind
For CT: SA, NZ, Ind, Pak, Oz, SL
No non winning team should ever host an ICC trophy, that will give laggards like BD an impetus to win something, else why host in a country where the crowds will be rubbish as they know their team has no chance of winning anything.
Even more ideally, all cricket should only be played by big-moustached English guys from either Eton or Harrow.Ideally, all ICC events should be hosted by England. Best venue for an ICC event.
It shouldn't be hosted in India because it feels like a home bilateral series for India. It doesn't feel like a World Cup.
Bangladesh and Sri Lanka shouldn't host because vibes are boring there. Same with West Indies.
Pakistan can host I guess. But, it still doesn't feel as lively as it does in England. Also, pitches are too flat.
You have your view, I have mine. ICC tourneys should only be held in countries that have won it, countries need to earn the right to host it and therefore no more nonsensical US, Canada, BD, UAE type experiments. You want to hold a tounrney, make a champion side first.Ideally, all ICC events should be hosted by England. Best venue for an ICC event.
It shouldn't be hosted in India because it feels like a home bilateral series for India. It doesn't feel like a World Cup.
Bangladesh and Sri Lanka shouldn't host because vibes are boring there. Same with West Indies.
Pakistan can host I guess. But, it still doesn't feel as lively as it does in England. Also, pitches are too flat.
Plus reverse swing, spin, doosra, leg glance, ramp, Dil Scoop should all be banned.Even more ideally, all cricket should only be played by big-moustached English guys from either Eton or Harrow.
Us brown sub-continent coolies shouldn't be allowed to play it or if we're really keen, maybe we can play among each other while carrying the luggage on our heads (coolies you see!) to make it realistic.
Plus reverse swing, spin, doosra, leg glance, ramp, Dil Scoop should all be banned.
Only Asian influence to be kept is dance....
Who brought in the irrelevant conversation of where ICC tourneys should be held? Should have been nipped in the bud mateGuys plz don't derail the thread with irrelevant stuff
Let's walk back on why GOI is not allowing Indian men's team to visit Pakistan.
First one in security. Second one, maybe they don't want Pak to enjoy the monetary benefits from Indian men's team visit. Why?
Kashmir Pulwama. 26/11 Mumbai. Kargill.
I do believe that Pakistani civilan govt would have prevented them if they had known about it before.
The PCB is appointed by PM, who himself is a puppet of establishment. Entire PCB is run by govt while BCCI is an autonomous body. If left alone BCCI would probably like to visit Pak, but they don't have the governmental clearance.
If Pakistani's military has stopped interfering in Pakistan, and in India, this whole discussion would have been pointless.
Lol you didn’t even have to tell we all knew that’s what you wanted.I do not mind if England host every single tournament. Great venues. Great crowd. Great atmosphere.
Yaar, no one in Pakistan is capable of doing that. PCB will have to back down.If Mohsin Naqvi can't make CT 2025 an all Pakistan hosted event then he should resign straight away or make Pakistan pull out from upcoming future events in India. Even be adamant on not facing India in CT 2025 outside Pakistan
Its all about will power, I know its difficult but not impossible. Anybody doing that would set a good precedent for other boards too.Yaar, no one in Pakistan is capable of doing that. PCB will have to back down.
IT will be a farce with final and SF location already pre determined for India like we had in this T20 World cup.
Respectfully disagree. There is fine line between foolishness and courage.Its all about will power, I know its difficult but not impossible. Anybody doing that would set a good precedent for other boards too.
Sometimes you have to bide your time. You can't be boom boom Afridi always, when situation is tough patience and delicate handling is required.
but but but... what if they lose a game against pakistan after this too much topi drama? lolWell if India does play in Pakistan then they have a better chance of winning CT as both countries have flat pitches like highways.
Did BCCI receive any threatS??? Why it is just BCCI that is having security concerns?Indian team is not safe in Pakistan. Hopefully we do not travel and skip the tournament altogether.
Did your Prime Minister call any of the other nations visiting Pakistan for cricket "Dushman mulk"?Did BCCI receive any threatS??? Why it is just BCCI that is having security concerns?
it was not prime minister bro. I guess you are misunderstood.Did your Prime Minister call any of the other nations visiting Pakistan for cricket "Dushman mulk"?
Oh yes it was your cricket chief.I
it was not prime minister bro. I guess you are misunderstood.
Pakistan vs India rivalry is not the same as Pakistan and Australia. Not even closeOh yes it was your cricket chief.
So are you saying people in Pakistan (and India) have the same feelings for Australia as they have for the 'Dushman mulk'? Both countries face a very different level of security calculation when visiting what is essentially an enemy nation.
I appreciate that Pakistan calculated it was safe enough security-wise to travel to India for the world cup but who are you or I to dictate that the Indian government should feel the same? Virtually every developed country has a security advisory on travel to Pakistan.
While the Indian government may be using (I'm not saying it is for sure) as an excuse to disallow the cricket team from traveling to Pakistan, it's not a silly excuse as you're making it out to be
Hmmm is it PCB who try to move 2011 world cup away from india/ Srilanka/ Bangladesh after the 2009 Srilanka team attacks . PCB has audacity to claim if pakistan is not safe then whole subcontinent is not safe and World Cup must move even after botched up President level security, Every Opportunity PCB got try pull all of subcontinent together with it eventhough issue is with PCB and pakistan. If with 0 pull ,PCB is trying everything to hurt others and then espect others not to do is Quite Foolish.Pakistan vs India rivalry is not the same as Pakistan and Australia. Not even close
My only point is if INDIA is not willing to come, why are they trying to move the whole event out from Pakistan when all other teams are ready to come to Pakistan for the event.
India should just say "no we are not coming" and that is it. SL comes in and the event go as planned. SIMPLE.
yo @Rajdeep some truth bombs here for youHmmm is it PCB who try to move 2011 world cup away from india/ Srilanka/ Bangladesh after the 2009 Srilanka team attacks . PCB has audacity to claim if pakistan is not safe then whole subcontinent is not safe and World Cup must move even after botched up President level security, Every Opportunity PCB got try pull all of subcontinent together with it eventhough issue is with PCB and pakistan. If with 0 pull ,PCB is trying everything to hurt others and then espect others not to do is Quite Foolish.
Hmmm is it PCB who try to move 2011 world cup away from india/ Srilanka/ Bangladesh after the 2009 Srilanka team attacks . PCB has audacity to claim if pakistan is not safe then whole subcontinent is not safe and World Cup must move even after botched up President level security, Every Opportunity PCB got try pull all of subcontinent together with it eventhough issue is with PCB and pakistan. If with 0 pull ,PCB is trying everything to hurt others and then espect others not to do is Quite Foolish.
AGAIN....SIMPLE NO will do the trick.India should just say "no we are not coming" and that is it. SL comes in and the event go as planned. SIMPLE.
Why blame BCCI?My only point is if INDIA is not willing to come, why are they trying to move the whole event out from Pakistan when all other teams are ready to come to Pakistan for the event.
India should just say "no we are not coming" and that is it. SL comes in and the event go as planned. SIMPLE.
Pakistan vs India rivalry is not the same as Pakistan and Australia. Not even close
My only point is if INDIA is not willing to come, why are they trying to move the whole event out from Pakistan when all other teams are ready to come to Pakistan for the event.
India should just say "no we are not coming" and that is it. SL comes in and the event go as planned. SIMPLE.
Just wait until Bahubali Mohsin Naqvi reveals his trump cardswho is going to bell the cat ?
Ofcourse you won't mind that since both your countries (country of origin and where you reside now) are in mess as far as game of Cricket is concerned.I do not mind if England host every single tournament. Great venues. Great crowd. Great atmosphere.
Ofcourse you won't mind that since both your countries (country of origin and where you reside now) are in mess as far as game of Cricket is concerned.
Rest of us don't want all tournaments played in gloomy atmosphere where you have to literally keep an eye on weather watch all the time.
Lets me rephrase it. You're not a nationalist at all.It has nothing to do with that really. I am not a blind nationalist. LOL.
I am a lover of cricket. I believe England is the best place for cricket. It has nothing to do with any other factor.
Lets me rephrase it. You're not a nationalist at all.
I think its you who is posting regarding venues and all in a thread which has nothing to do with it.. Please read the thread title and tell us how your 'Bangladeshi /Pakistani/Canadian' thought process is relevant to the topic.
I agree. But no board is willing to do it.No board can tame them until they recognize their own worth. If any major board and especially a host nation stands up to them then BCCI can't do a zilch.
Mohsin Naqvi is too stupid, he just needs to take a stand here. That Pakistan will organize the CT with or without India. Even such stubborness cost Pakistan revenue issues or shifting of entire tournament. No worries as such a stance is bound to shake the BCCI and gather support of other boardsI agree. But no board is willing to do it.
This situation is nothing new. Going on for a decade and a half. Probably more. But no board is even close to doing it.
Please Please suspend and kick out BCCI from ICC. Would be nice to see 90% of broadcasting revenue walkout of ICC and allow BCCI to create a new separate cricketing world Body. .No board can tame them until they recognize their own worth. If any major board and especially a host nation stands up to them then BCCI can't do a zilch.
Is Fifa and International Olympic committee cancers too? Poor RussiaBCCI is a disease and needs to be cured soon
It's destroying cricket
Why cured?BCCI is a disease and needs to be cured soon
It's destroying cricket
LOL.
BCCI is ICC and ICC is BCCI. How are you gonna kick ICC from ICC. That is not possible
Yes, there is political interference in BCCI but they are going nowhere, they control this system.
the example is right in front of you brother. Don't need to give examples.What political interference?
"Chacha hai wo hi bhatija hai or jo bhatija hai wo hi chacha hai "LOL.
BCCI is ICC and ICC is BCCI. How are you gonna kick ICC from ICC. That is not possible
Yes, there is political interference in BCCI but they are going nowhere, they control this system.
the example is right in front of you brother. Don't need to give examples.
Security is not a problem here brother otherwise Pakistan would have never been hosting this cup.That's called security assessment not political interference.
Political interference is when PM or the government has a hand in day to day operations or appointment of officials.
Security perception is different for different nations, that why Pakistani passport is checked throughly compared to japenese/Chinese passport going to third countries.Same way for Indians threat is always higher than the other nations in Pakistan because of weak political leadership and in power Miltary dictatorship.No body knows what ur Miltary Rulers will do as they don't care about any consequences. Indians are burnt many times in past at even most important and prestigious occasions.That why Indian government (be it Congress or bjp or any ) always hesitates in moving forward.They put ur favourite and current famous leader IK inside prison with out any issues and u think they will care about bunch of cricketers.Security is not a problem here brother otherwise Pakistan would have never been hosting this cup.
Security is not a problem here brother otherwise Pakistan would have never been hosting this cup.
That's your assessment. BCCI has to follow the assessment of its government. Every team has to.
The other government and board have also done assessment before saying yes to the event in Pakistan. INDIA is special because they have a political beef with Pakistan... SIMPLE KNOWN FACT...
Hope I answered your question.
Yes. that is my whole argument. Where does this hostile relationship vanish when it comes to world cup or asia cup matches. don't play those games as well na, bro.India is special because India and Pakistan have hostile relationship.
Just like a Pakistani passport isn't treated on par with an Indian passport and a Indian passport isn't on par with a European one, each nation has a different threat perception.
Yes. that is my whole argument. Where does this hostile relationship vanish when it comes to world cup or asia cup matches. don't play those games as well na, bro.
This whole thing has nothing to do with hostile relationship or security. Its basically financial sanctions on Pakistan. Just US has trade embargo against Cuba or sanctions against Iran / North KoreaYes. that is my whole argument. Where does this hostile relationship vanish when it comes to world cup or asia cup matches. don't play those games as well na, bro.
When Pakistan is giving you presidential level security, (much more than other team) then why??We are talking about security risks here.
When Pakistan is giving you presidential level security, (much more than other team) then why??
LOL.
BCCI is ICC and ICC is BCCI. How are you gonna kick ICC from ICC. That is not possible
Yes, there is political interference in BCCI but they are going nowhere, they control this system.
Even though it might never happen because of the BCCI’s strong influence over the ICC, it is still important to speak up and say that change is needed for the good of the game. If enough people support this, it could eventually get enough attention that the BCCI might feel responsible or pressured to make decisions that benefit cricket as a whole.LOL.
BCCI is ICC and ICC is BCCI. How are you gonna kick ICC from ICC. That is not possible
Yes, there is political interference in BCCI but they are going nowhere, they control this system.
Teams visited India after Mumbai attacks. Gujrat riots as well.Wasn't the same level of security promised to SL team in 2009?
Sri Lankas team almost got sent to Heaven back in those days. J and K is still on the boil , and with the level of hate Pak has for India , how do y expect Cricketers to hug each other and say hey bud hows it going ?Done, now lets unearth the main reason behind Indian government's paranoia with an ICC event in Pakistan.
Those attacks weren't carried by state sponsored agents. Afaik , India turned up its internal security since then and attacks , terrorism went much higher in Pakistan after Mumbai attack .Teams visited India after Mumbai attacks. Gujrat riots as well.
Leave alone cricket , no major sportsman or team was targeted by violence in India even during the dark days of 2004- 2009. that period witnessed worst attacks in Mumbai , and other cities.Teams visited India after Mumbai attacks. Gujrat riots as well.
Pakistan is in much better condition than it was in 2009. Why those attacks still the basis for India to not come???Those attacks weren't carried by state sponsored agents. Afaik , India turned up its internal security since then and attacks , terrorism went much higher in Pakistan after Mumbai attack .
Gujrat riots .. well no society is free from it. Hate crimes happen in west too. Atleast theres no brazen ethnic cleansing in india as exists in Pakistan as Hindus have almost disappeared in Pakistan while muslims in india have more than tripled since a new country was born in 1947
more like washed out snooze fests with pathetic draining facilties despite all those pounds EcbI do not mind if England host every single tournament. Great venues. Great crowd. Great atmosphere.
come on dude... what better conditions ??Pakistan is in much better condition than it was in 2009. Why those attacks still the basis for India to not come???
They should just come out and openly admit that they have a deep rooted hostility towards Pakistan and don’t want the PCB to progress as a cricketing nation. It seems they are willing to go to any lengths to isolate the PCB, regardless of how bad it makes them look on the world stage. All teams that have visited Pakistan to play cricket have been satisfied with the security arrangements, which include presidential level protection. If India were to visit, no doubt they would receive even more security, likely beyond presidential protection. The Pakistani government would ensure their safety without question. The talk of security risks for the Champions Trophy in Pakistan is pure nonsense.When Pakistan is giving you presidential level security, (much more than other team) then why??
Pakistan is in much better condition than it was in 2009. Why those attacks still the basis for India to not come???
Are you guys vomitting in Delhi atm??Sri Lankan players were vomiting in Delhi during 300 aqi. i wonder if countries pull out due to Aqi itself. what a shame wud it be then ?
They should just come out and openly admit that they have a deep rooted hostility towards Pakistan and don’t want the PCB to progress as a cricketing nation. It seems they are willing to go to any lengths to isolate the PCB, regardless of how bad it makes them look on the world stage. All teams that have visited Pakistan to play cricket have been satisfied with the security arrangements, which include presidential level protection. If India were to visit, no doubt they would receive even more security, likely beyond presidential protection. The Pakistani government would ensure their safety without question. The talk of security risks for the Champions Trophy in Pakistan is pure nonsense.
Are you guys vomitting in Delhi atm??
come on brother. bring some solid excuse now.
India government doesn't trust the one who is providing that presidential level security , do u know what happened few times when we trusted ur Miltary ,we got kargil when vajpee went for peace, we got Mumbai attacks .When Pakistan is giving you presidential level security, (much more than other team) then why??