Keep hearing that Presidential level security always ,first No indian government be it BJP or Congress or any other third party is willing to believe ur Miltary establishment who is providing that security bcz even Pakistan political leadership and it's own people cannot tell what will they do ,if it's to their advantage they may do anything and there is no control over them.After seeing what happened to uncle IK even after ur people support, do u think any sane indian government will believe words of PCB and send their team. IN SHORT HUGE TRUST ISSUES BETWEEN THEM. As we many times got burned after trusting ur establishment.
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Is it high time to suspend BCCI owing to incessant political interference?
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bcci maybe autonomous...but always had Govt people in it be it Sharad Pawar , Chidambaram JayShah.
bcci haa to obey the Govt or else u know what can happen to it
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Teams visited England after London bombings too.
Visiting international sports teams under "Presidential Security" were not attacked and injured in any of these cases.
Your point?
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So why BCCi shivering for event in Pakistan??
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Indian team may have security issues.
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You guys are so funny, what about your blind cricket, Kabbadi team and J Shankar. Please come up with some new argument now..
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This hypocritical stance of BCCI/India is embarrassing. If they see Pakistan as evil, they should stop dealing with them. Having said that, Jaishankar's visit was for a multi-national forum and I think that visit was okay.
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What kabbadi team? No national kabbadi team visited Pakistan.
What about the blind team?
S Jaishankar doesn't have to play in front of 1000s of spectators and had a very limited time in Pakistan.
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Are you seriously comparing a sco summit to champions trophy kirkut played by barely 6-7 serious teams
Also yes on principle I agree blind teams, kabaddi etc should also be not allowed if cricket team is not allowed.
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The way BCCI is trying to dominate cricket through money power, is cricket even a sport anymore? ICC is only concerned about money, not the integrity of the game?
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Every sport has countries that dominate and dictate the rules because of their money power.
Its Britain and Ferrari in F1, China does it in Table Tennis and Badminton, US and Western Europe do in Olympics.
Somehow the colonial mindset of people still lingers on, everything was hunky dory when England and Australia actually had veto power in ICC, but BCCI's rise is causing a lot indigestion in some countries.
It's the height of delusion to even speak about banning the country and board that literally runs this sport. This sport comparatively to the big boys is a sham that has failed to grow substantially enough to sustain itself globally without IPL revenue and gimmick showcases internationally. ICC will bow to India for as long as this sport exists because no one else will ever carry that money train. This sport is in a very very precarious position on an international stage.
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It is not justification for the BCCI to use money power to pollute our beloved game. We want to enjoy this game politics-free. I think all cricket boards should start a mission to divert all revenue generation sources from the BCCI to them to finish this political pollution by the BCCI.
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Are these Indian athletes some inferior Indians??
"India's kabaddi and tennis teams have visited the same Pakistan" - Salman Butt's blunt take on Champions Trophy 2025
Former Pakistan captain Salman Butt believes that Team India must travel to Pakistan for the upcoming 2025 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy.
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Its not a justification just a real hard fact of world. Powerful entities use their leverage to twist the rules. The only thing new here is the extraordinary whining from Pakistan.
Seen so many quotes of "no politics in sports" when Pakistani Captains are openly talking about Kashmir in world games.
I haven't called BCCI or India's stance anywhere as fair, but the intense amnesia of Pakistan posters is amazing . I think @mominsaigol had a reasonable posts regarding this rest is all whining non-stop.
As in everything about world "Its the economics stupid!!" No one cared about India till the 2000s , no one cared about the Chinese till the 80s, grow your own leverage and force others big players to play on fair terms.
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Lovely quotes from a convicted cheat. What a role model for the nation! and by the way :Are these Indian athletes some inferior Indians??
"India's kabaddi and tennis teams have visited the same Pakistan" - Salman Butt's blunt take on Champions Trophy 2025
Former Pakistan captain Salman Butt believes that Team India must travel to Pakistan for the upcoming 2025 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy.
Haven't represented India in Pakistan: Kabaddi coach Harpreet after unauthorised team visit
Nearly 60 kabaddi players went to Pakistan without the authorisation of Indian authorities and IOA to play in Pakistan.
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I agree however I disagree on China. They were always strong lol. They have a 5000 + year dyansty and their economy was always strong.
India suffered because England bankrupted them so they had to rebuild and pick up the pieces.
Pakistan wasn't able to, Since Jimnah their hasn't been anyone competent when it comes to running the country. They've all made garbage decisions.
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That’s over simplification. In India some organizations have improved and succeeded because we have capable administrators and folks really passionate about that domain running it without too much interference.
BCCI is a prime example. Indian space research ISRO is another example, even with hockey eventually corporates and Orissa govt whose leadership was passionate about hockey helped in its revival. There are plenty of other areas which are no different from Pakistan due to bureaucracy and political corruption. Plenty which have progressed due to having the right people for the right job and plenty that failed due to red tapism too.
Thats the takeaway. This has nothing to do with history etc.
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Guys please refrain from off topic stuff
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I never disagreed.
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Lol who's Gona suspend BCCI? BICC?
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Are these Indian athletes some inferior Indians??
"India's kabaddi and tennis teams have visited the same Pakistan" - Salman Butt's blunt take on Champions Trophy 2025
Former Pakistan captain Salman Butt believes that Team India must travel to Pakistan for the upcoming 2025 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy.
Indian national kabbadi team hasn't visited Pakistan. FYI pakistanis are banned from the pro kabbadi league in India, which is the best kabbadi league in the world.
Tennis is a individual sports.
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Lovely quotes from a convicted cheat. What a role model for the nation! and by the way :
Haven't represented India in Pakistan: Kabaddi coach Harpreet after unauthorised team visit
Nearly 60 kabaddi players went to Pakistan without the authorisation of Indian authorities and IOA to play in Pakistan.www.indiatoday.in
This is their source.
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when @The Bald Eagle has no answer he starts posting smilies.
First he lies that Indian kabbadi team went to Pakistan. Then he posts a match fixer as source.
First he lies that Indian kabbadi team went to Pakistan. Then he posts a match fixer as source.
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You can't fool the world, disowning was an after thought as Pakistan defeated India for the first time in FINAL of KABBADI WC, thankfully you didn't disown Indian team in CT 2017 bcoz Kohli is well known around the world
Pakistan defeat India, win Kabaddi World Cup for the first time
Hosts win 43-41 in final held in Lahore's Punjab Stadium; PM Imran, others congratulate the team.
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You can't fool the world, disowning was an after thought as Pakistan defeated India for the first time in FINAL of KABBADI WC, thankfully you didn't disown Indian team in CT 2017 bcoz Kohli is well known around the world
Pakistan defeat India, win Kabaddi World Cup for the first time
Hosts win 43-41 in final held in Lahore's Punjab Stadium; PM Imran, others congratulate the team.www.dawn.com
You and your sources.
This is the circle kabbadi. A team not even recognised by Indian kabbadi association.
Rijiju orders inquiry into unofficial participation in Pakistan Kabaddi WC
Sports Minister Kiren Rijiju on Monday ordered an inquiry into the participation of an Indian team in the circle-style Kabaddi World Cup in Pakistan.
Learn to know the difference.
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Indian hockey team will travel to Pakistan for Olympic qualifiers if it doesn't win in Hangzhou, says Dilip Tirkey
The Indian national men's hockey team may travel to Pakistan for qualifiers if they fail to directly qualify for the 2024 Paris Olympics at the upcoming Hangzhou Asian Games. The Olympic berth is awarded to the winner of the continental event leaving other nations to play qualifiers. Pakistan...
Indian team arrives in Pakistan to participate in Mixed Martial Arts Asian Championship - Aaj News
Indian team arrives in Pakistan to participate in Mixed Martial Arts Asian Championship - Aaj News
english.aaj.tv
And now your lies that India doesn't recognize circle Kabbadi then what Kabbadi WC tournament former Punjab head Sukbhir Singh badal used to organize. Please answer directly who are all these above Indian teams?? Now don't say they ALL WENT ON THEIR OWN
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Is this the Kabaddi that's actually played at Asian Games or recognized by International Kabaddi Federation?You can't fool the world, disowning was an after thought as Pakistan defeated India for the first time in FINAL of KABBADI WC, thankfully you didn't disown Indian team in CT 2017 bcoz Kohli is well known around the world
Pakistan defeat India, win Kabaddi World Cup for the first time
Hosts win 43-41 in final held in Lahore's Punjab Stadium; PM Imran, others congratulate the team.www.dawn.com
Kabaddi World Cup (standard style) - Wikipedia
Some dumb local paindu style event called World Cup
. I Remember this .... Oh damn this has been started by the paindu uncles of my hometown !! Kabaddi World Cup (circle style) - Wikipedia
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My last response on this off topic stuff. Congrats to you guys for redefining Kabbadi just to suit your argumentIs this the Kabaddi that's actually played at Asian Games or recognized by International Kabaddi Federation?
Kabaddi World Cup (standard style) - Wikipedia
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Some dumb local paindu style event called World Cup
Kabaddi World Cup (circle style) - Wikipedia
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1. Has Indian hockey team travelled to Pakistan? Duleep Tirkey is not govt. of India. They would have needed permission from the govt.Indian hockey team will travel to Pakistan for Olympic qualifiers if it doesn't win in Hangzhou, says Dilip Tirkey
The Indian national men's hockey team may travel to Pakistan for qualifiers if they fail to directly qualify for the 2024 Paris Olympics at the upcoming Hangzhou Asian Games. The Olympic berth is awarded to the winner of the continental event leaving other nations to play qualifiers. Pakistan...m.economictimes.com
Indian team arrives in Pakistan to participate in Mixed Martial Arts Asian Championship - Aaj News
Indian team arrives in Pakistan to participate in Mixed Martial Arts Asian Championship - Aaj Newsenglish.aaj.tv
And now your lies that India doesn't recognize circle Kabbadi then what Kabbadi WC tournament former Punjab head Sukbhir Singh badal used to organize. Please answer directly who are all these above Indian teams?? Now don't say they ALL WENT ON THEIR OWN
2. There is no officially recognised mixed martial arts body in India to send teams as national teams.
and all these BS points aside...
The only actual Indian team to visit Pakistan has been for Davis Cup in Tennis. It was a special permission when ITF refused AITA request and threatened points forfeiture if India didnt compete in Pakistan.
It just shows wherever India can exercise leverage India will isolate Pakistan but not at the expense of it own loss. Pakistan does the same in whatever arena it has any leverage. hmmm You remember blocking Airspace for Indian air planes. (Once Pakistan realized its losing hundreds of Millions of dollars in transit revenue from Indian airlines, they cowered again to the mighty need of MONEY!
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Tell me which Kabaddi is played in Asian Games or has an actual recognized international body recognized by IOC and OCA
International Kabaddi Federation - Wikipedia
State of Panjab is not a country. nor is this paindu circular Kabaddi has any formal world governing body.
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Indian hockey team will travel to Pakistan for Olympic qualifiers if it doesn't win in Hangzhou, says Dilip Tirkey
The Indian national men's hockey team may travel to Pakistan for qualifiers if they fail to directly qualify for the 2024 Paris Olympics at the upcoming Hangzhou Asian Games. The Olympic berth is awarded to the winner of the continental event leaving other nations to play qualifiers. Pakistan...
Indian team arrives in Pakistan to participate in Mixed Martial Arts Asian Championship - Aaj News
Indian team arrives in Pakistan to participate in Mixed Martial Arts Asian Championship - Aaj Newsenglish.aaj.tv
And now your lies that India doesn't recognize circle Kabbadi then what Kabbadi WC tournament former Punjab head Sukbhir Singh badal used to organize. Please answer directly who are all these above Indian teams?? Now don't say they ALL WENT ON THEIR OWN
Anyone can organise any unofficial sports event. It means nothing.
Whatever this circle kabbadi was, it isn't recognised by international or Indian federation.
Indian hockey team didn't visit Pakistan. Read the article.
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Ofcourse. You have no responses left.
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The same fans who used to be in tears over a few umpiring calls against Indian players are now bursting with pride as the BCCI tries to play villain with the PCB, throwing tantrums whenever the PCB aims to host an ICC event. It’s amusing how these delicate souls, who can’t handle a single bad call, are suddenly okay with the BCCI’s selective and hypocritical attempts to isolate the PCB.
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Ofcourse. Hypocrites and their followers always have twice as much to say as those with genuine convictions, shifting their stance to suit the moment.
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Strawmanning to the extreme!Ofcourse. Hypocrites and their followers always have twice as much to say as those with genuine convictions, shifting their stance to suit the moment.
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If you are banning boards with political influence to e first board you need to ban is PCB.
I think it might be the only board amongst bigger boards where the prime minister of the country appoints the chairman and has so much say. The prime minster has literally thousands of other more important jobs in any country than cricket board politics yet only in Pakistan he still continues to be involved.
I think it might be the only board amongst bigger boards where the prime minister of the country appoints the chairman and has so much say. The prime minster has literally thousands of other more important jobs in any country than cricket board politics yet only in Pakistan he still continues to be involved.
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PCB can do it if they want. They just need to convince the ICC that they will take all the financial responsibilities after BCCI is suspended.
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He answered your question though.. your assumption that other sports was politics or dominance free is incorrect..
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Banning BCCI would be nice. But, this type of thing is unlikely to happen until BCCI's monopoly/influence is reduced.
Cricket world needs to work together to break BCCI's monopoly.
Cricket world needs to work together to break BCCI's monopoly.
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Hope you are joking there have always been two kabbadi one official and one village Punjabi style on both sides.
Pakistan actually plays both too but even they recognise the official Asian Games one.
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BCCI is the solar in the cricket solar system. Satellites and space debris cannot do anything about it.
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The PCB and the BCB should join hands together to form Ghazwa E Hind board to accomplish it.
To reduce BCCI monopoly, this ridiculous, unbalanced 90%-10% needs to be altered. For that alteration to happen, all the boards need to pull up their socks, get off their rear end and work for their paychecks. And work hard. Currently they are just sitting back and more than happy for the BCCI $$$ to fall into their laps. Now, if this attitude changes, progress to change the BCCI monopoly will be made.
As far as the cricketing world getting together to break the BCCI monopoly, looking back at the past 20+ years tells me all I need to know as to what might/will continue to happen.
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Karo, who is stopping you?
Bangladesh is now a free country na and even better economy than India. With a significantly large population Bangladesh can easily challenge BCCI dominance if it partners up with other countries especially Canada!
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You guys post reminds me of that kid I used to play cricket with..he always said my bat if I don't play nobody plays
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You do know what will happen to the solar right? It will finish burning hydrogen and start burning hillium, will grow bigger and bigger and after a certain time it will go fusssssss and no more solar system.
If you want to Play cricket than brings own bat instead depending on others.
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Good reply. Like that kid when he was 5 year old. See you just proved my point of being reminded of kids
You very well understood what was my point
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So there will be no cricket without BCCI. It is never about how long they last, but about how much they illuminated and inspired when they were there.
I think they should change their name to Board of Control of Cricket International, to reflect the reality.
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Or or hear me out..too much greed may kill cricket Al together
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That's the route our lovely game is headed.
Cricket is only profitable in India or through Indian money in England and Australia.
Rest of the boards barely break even or just run in losses.
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That is true for everything. Too much greed can kill the world. But since BCCI took over cricket, it has only become more popular.
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Cricket has its followers outside of India. I'm not an indian hater. You have seen my posts here in this forum. So I expect you won't jump to conclusion so this post is for you. I think the BCCI monopoly is too much in ICC. ICC is another corrupt organization that is not spreading cricket properly and is just BCCI centric. If everything was fair and dandy in the my strong belief is that cricket would not have been played by just us desis and some white and Caribbean dudes
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Cricket has not grown man. Still 90% of the money is from India or Indian origin people around the world.
Cricket is an expensive game to organize and average cricket players do not make anywhere close to what other well established sports persons make. Cricket will not find future in USA or Canada if you look at salaries of MLB and top cricket players. Average MLB players earn Kohli level money.
Indian companies are sponsors of so many other national teams.
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You just agreed with me..I'm saying it's not grown because of the corrupt greed sicken authority named ICC
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Those happened over a decade ago.
If other teams are okay to come to Pakistan, India really have no excuse. Security is not a valid excuse.
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We have always been agreement man.
I haven't said anywhere that the situation is fair or good for cricket. But what I am calling out is the utterly shameless hypocritical imaginary moral high stands being paraded by certain Posters from Pakistan.
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Security is subjective. For example, in Ukraine, when I was there, people from Arab countries were less harassed than those from india/Pakistan/SL.
So while those from Arab countries may consider Ukraine as safe, but the same could not be said for those student from India/Pakistan/SL.
Security is always case to case basis.
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When the ex-PM and leaders of its major political party are not safe, super nationals the Chinese are asking Pakistan to let the Chinese police themselves protect its own nationals. Safety in Pakistan is a roll of the dice.
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