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Pakistan Test record at home (Including UAE)
Under Misbah ul Haq's Captaincy
Series Played : 9
Won : 5
Lost : 0
After Misbah's retirement (15 May 2017 to 4 Sep 2019)
Series Played : 3
Won : 1
Lost : 2
Misbah's Coaching tenure (4 Sep 2019 to Sep 2021)
Series Played : 3
Won : 3
Lost : 0
After Misbah's Coaching tenure (Oct 2021 to Aug 2024)
Series Played : 4
Won : 0
Lost : 2
 
Nah bro we gotta move on. He has been a failure as a coach.

Gillespie is a proven coach. He has inherited a team that is mentally shot and broken.

Give him time.
 
Major said:
Pakistan Test record at home (Including UAE)
Under Misbah ul Haq's Captaincy
Series Played : 9
Won : 5
Lost : 0
After Misbah's retirement (15 May 2017 to 4 Sep 2019)
Series Played : 3
Won : 1
Lost : 2
Misbah's Coaching tenure (4 Sep 2019 to Sep 2021)
Series Played : 3
Won : 3
Lost : 0
After Misbah's Coaching tenure (Oct 2021 to Aug 2024)
Series Played : 4
Won : 0
Lost : 2
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Funny thing is, I already told @Rana That I firmly believe misbah will eventually return in some shape or form.

Granted I did not think Waqar would retire but I stand firm on my belief. Misbah return is inevitable, it's not a matter of if, just a matter of when.


Please, honest to God I hope this happens, Misbah + Rizwan as captain. Let this drama happen so that these guys can finally meet their end once and for all. Eventually Rizzu will get sacked and will lose the so called reputation he has built, because unlike babar, rizzu is not marketable and doesn't have the same persona and luxury to be a long term failure.

As for Misbah, 3rd time coming back will nail his coffin and seal his tomb once and for all, so even if rizwan survives which theirs a 50% chance he will, Misbah will 100% be done and dusted from Pakistan cricket affairs.
 
If Shan is my captain then I will gladly call misbah to take his retirement back and play as a captain but we all know, this is not how things work.

Misbah as a coach for test team only OKAY fine but do we need that slow tuk tuk tactics back??? I guess world has moved on. Look at english team, where they are atm.
 
Misbah was successful in Test because games were in UAE during his time (where Pakistani had many successes).

Not sure if Misbah can replicate that in Pakistan (extremely flat pitches).
 
Misbah's captaincy tenure had one of PAK's ATG batters in YK , pre ban Ajmal, himself, peak Yasir etc.

You don't need great captaincy to win in UAE with these players.

In fact, questions were never asked as to why Misbah struggled to beat SA twice, NZ and SL once and even managed to drop a Test to West Indies.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Misbah's captaincy tenure had one of PAK's ATG batters in YK , pre ban Ajmal, himself, peak Yasir etc.

You don't need great captaincy to win in UAE with these players.

In fact, questions were never asked as to why Misbah struggled to beat SA twice, NZ and SL once and even managed to drop a Test to West Indies.
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Tbf bro, Misbah's captaincy in test was good. Ik misbah is hated and rightfully so, Dude sealed pakistan and shoved it 10 feet underground and created a tombstone with the title Rip Pakistan 2020-2024, Birth date of Babar and rizwan 2020-2024.

But his overall captaincy tenure was good. One of his smartest decisions was to not enforce a follow on againat Australia which resulted in him winning the test series. People though it was a hare brained decision, but a few years later, Australia was forced to follow on and would bat 3 days straight doing tuk tuk and achieve a draw.

Misbah knew he needed to get into aussie head and set a target to get a win.

He also placed azhar Ali at slips and Ahmed shehzad where sham kept placing agha at slips even though agha in wc 2023 got hit smack in the face by a catch drop 🤣🤣 and got injured with a black eye.

But yes, he had an atg side ontop of which Mishab has to be ampung the worst person on the planet when it comes to building a team.

I still remember wc 2015 before the campaign. It was such a mess that even ramiz raja who was fanboying trash heaps like nasir jamshed put his foot down and said, bro what is pakistan doing? Their shuffling between 8 openers and 3 wicketkeepers? These boys have no sense of structure even though they literally did so in 2014 asia cup.

Misbah is the type of person who is given an already established structure which he was in 2018 and 2019 t20 team and tear it apart and then try to rebuild. And when it fails to rebuild, he acts like the structure was always broken.
 
sweep_shot said:
Misbah was successful in Test because games were in UAE during his time (where Pakistani had many successes).

Not sure if Misbah can replicate that in Pakistan (extremely flat pitches).
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Than why sarfraz lost at the first oppurtunity and ended pakistans streak?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Jason Gillespie is a clown?
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Jason Gillespie chose 4 pacers. But even if he chose spinners what would it have done?

Old has beens like shakib are rank turning it on day 5? And their seamer are seaming it? The first delivery to Babar azam(Granted I don't like bobby and he shpuld have been dismissed on 0, but I am being fair) would have gotten any right hander out. It was a gun delivery and a good outswing.

Look at their pacers and spinners and look at pur trash heaps? Their seaming it on 5th day tracks and even then it's a phata wicket, the amount of seam they offered and spin they offered is standard of what you see on a first day test? And our batters can't even play that?

What is Jason Gilispie even suppose to do?
 
Major said:
Pakistan Test record at home (Including UAE)
Under Misbah ul Haq's Captaincy
Series Played : 9
Won : 5
Lost : 0
After Misbah's retirement (15 May 2017 to 4 Sep 2019)
Series Played : 3
Won : 1
Lost : 2
Misbah's Coaching tenure (4 Sep 2019 to Sep 2021)
Series Played : 3
Won : 3
Lost : 0
After Misbah's Coaching tenure (Oct 2021 to Aug 2024)
Series Played : 4
Won : 0
Lost : 2
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Why did you leave out, Misbah's record overseas despite having an atg player yk and chuckers in his ranks?

Why present data one way? And wdym including UAE? UAE was the home 🤣🤣🤣.
 
TheSultan said:
Oh dear. Why don’t we go back to Intikhab Alam, or Mohsin Khan or whoever else!
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We should go back to Bob Woolmer as well.

We should create an AI model of Bob Woolmer and start taking the advise 🤣🤣.

Naqvi is a fan of AI after all
 
Since 1995, Pakistan's record at home (Pak, UAE and 1 test vs Aus in Colombo) is 43 wins and 31 losses that's a W/L ratio of 1.4.

Misbah's captaincy record was 13-4 and his record as a coach was 4-0. If we add up both it becomes 17-4 that's a W/L ratio of 4.25.

Whereas Pakistan's record under other coaches is 26 wins and 27 losss. W/L ratio is 0.97.

Misbah is more than 4 times better than the rest.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Misbah's captaincy tenure had one of PAK's ATG batters in YK , pre ban Ajmal, himself, peak Yasir etc.

You don't need great captaincy to win in UAE with these players.

In fact, questions were never asked as to why Misbah struggled to beat SA twice, NZ and SL once and even managed to drop a Test to West Indies.
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This is true but counter is 1990s to 2007 Pakistan were stronger yet lost a lot more. Plus the intangible is that Misbah restored pride and dignity after the spot fixing.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Since 1995, Pakistan's record at home (Pak, UAE and 1 test vs Aus in Colombo) is 43 wins and 31 losses that's a W/L ratio of 1.4.

Misbah's captaincy record was 13-4 and his record as a coach was 4-0. If we add up both it becomes 17-4 that's a W/L ratio of 4.25.

Whereas Pakistan's record under other coaches is 26 wins and 27 losss. W/L ratio is 0.97.

Misbah is more than 4 times better than the rest.
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One of the reasons for this is that Pakistan have been a subpar team in Pakistan itself, a place where Misbah didn't feature much.

Even when they had Anwar - Wasim - Inzamam - Younis - Yousuf etc. they lost series at home to Australia (1998), Sri Lanka (2000), England (2001), India (2004) and South Africa (2007).
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Misbah's captaincy tenure had one of PAK's ATG batters in YK , pre ban Ajmal, himself, peak Yasir etc.

You don't need great captaincy to win in UAE with these players.

In fact, questions were never asked as to why Misbah struggled to beat SA twice, NZ and SL once and even managed to drop a Test to West Indies.
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than why sarfraz lost the first series he got in UAE?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Since 1995, Pakistan's record at home (Pak, UAE and 1 test vs Aus in Colombo) is 43 wins and 31 losses that's a W/L ratio of 1.4.

Misbah's captaincy record was 13-4 and his record as a coach was 4-0. If we add up both it becomes 17-4 that's a W/L ratio of 4.25.

Whereas Pakistan's record under other coaches is 26 wins and 27 losss. W/L ratio is 0.97.

Misbah is more than 4 times better than the rest.
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GLORY OF '92 said:
This is true but counter is 1990s to 2007 Pakistan were stronger yet lost a lot more. Plus the intangible is that Misbah restored pride and dignity after the spot fixing.
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Inshallah misbah gets made coach again. I can't wait. I already predicted this would happen months ago.

And finally this delusion can end once and for all
 
mominsaigol said:
We should go back to Bob Woolmer as well.

We should create an AI model of Bob Woolmer and start taking the advise 🤣🤣.

Naqvi is a fan of AI after all
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Again, went to Chat GPT and asked what AI Bob Woolmer would tell the current team: :afridi

If I were speaking to the current Pakistan cricket team, I would offer this advice to each of you:

  1. Embrace Technology and Data: To Babar Azam, as captain, I’d emphasize the importance of using data and technology to inform your strategies. Deep dive into analytics to understand your opponents and lead the team with informed decisions that can give you a tactical edge.
  2. Focus on Fitness and Discipline: Shaheen Afridi, you are a key player in our bowling attack. I’d stress the importance of maintaining peak physical fitness and discipline. Your ability to perform consistently at high intensity will inspire the entire team to stay at their best.
  3. Develop Mental Resilience: To Mohammad Rizwan, I would say, continue to build your mental toughness. As a wicketkeeper and a top-order batsman, you are often in high-pressure situations. Strengthen your focus and composure to anchor the team when it matters most.
  4. Hone Your Skills and Adaptability: Shadab Khan, as an all-rounder, your role is crucial in all facets of the game. I’d encourage you to keep honing your skills and remain adaptable. Be prepared to innovate with both bat and ball, adjusting your game as needed to meet any challenge.
  5. Cultivate Team Unity and Communication: To the entire team, I’d highlight the importance of clear communication and unity. A strong team is built on mutual trust and understanding. Work together, support each other, and always keep the team’s goals ahead of individual ambitions.
This approach would blend modern cricketing strategies with the timeless values of discipline, adaptability, and teamwork.
 
Varun said:
Again, went to Chat GPT and asked what AI Bob Woolmer would tell the current team: :afridi

If I were speaking to the current Pakistan cricket team, I would offer this advice to each of you:

  1. Embrace Technology and Data: To Babar Azam, as captain, I’d emphasize the importance of using data and technology to inform your strategies. Deep dive into analytics to understand your opponents and lead the team with informed decisions that can give you a tactical edge.
  2. Focus on Fitness and Discipline: Shaheen Afridi, you are a key player in our bowling attack. I’d stress the importance of maintaining peak physical fitness and discipline. Your ability to perform consistently at high intensity will inspire the entire team to stay at their best.
  3. Develop Mental Resilience: To Mohammad Rizwan, I would say, continue to build your mental toughness. As a wicketkeeper and a top-order batsman, you are often in high-pressure situations. Strengthen your focus and composure to anchor the team when it matters most.
  4. Hone Your Skills and Adaptability: Shadab Khan, as an all-rounder, your role is crucial in all facets of the game. I’d encourage you to keep honing your skills and remain adaptable. Be prepared to innovate with both bat and ball, adjusting your game as needed to meet any challenge.
  5. Cultivate Team Unity and Communication: To the entire team, I’d highlight the importance of clear communication and unity. A strong team is built on mutual trust and understanding. Work together, support each other, and always keep the team’s goals ahead of individual ambitions.
This approach would blend modern cricketing strategies with the timeless values of discipline, adaptability, and teamwork.
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Bro you are making my day ❤️. Love this keep it up.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
This is true but counter is 1990s to 2007 Pakistan were stronger yet lost a lot more. Plus the intangible is that Misbah restored pride and dignity after the spot fixing.
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I don't know much about his tactics and captaincy but he did seems to know what pitches to curate and what bowlers to pick for said pitches.

This should be a given but previous PAK captains - Waqar, Inzi, Moin, were not even good at that.

The bar for PAK Test captains after Wasim was very very low . So Misbah looked better by comparison I suppose .

I still think he should be only in an advisory/consultant role for home Test pitches and selections.

He is not head coach material and he is clueless with regards to SENA tours/white ball cricket .
 
Major said:
than why sarfraz lost the first series he got in UAE?
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Was YK playing then ? Misbah the batter playing then?

That middle order was weakened significantly after their retirements .

Also they played only 1 spinner.
 
I can't believe what I'm hearing.

Misbah was a good onfield captain and those decisions are why Pakistan was able to defend such crapola totals and why wahab was able to beat sa atg. Yes wahab bowled perfectly and credit is his but misbah understood and gave him the perfect field.

However he is equally crap when it comes to actually building a team. He's downright horrible at it.

He'd the guy who you can give all resources to, and ultimately he'll get sacked and will say I can't do anything.

If Misbah was hired at Apple, he'd first give the ceo excellent financial data, only to proceed to tell Apple we should emulate blackberry and start making brick phones and smartphones are going put of fashion.

^^ That's the best analogy I cam come with, will give good financial advice, but will proceed to bankrupt the company.
 
Major said:
Pakistan Test record at home (Including UAE)
Under Misbah ul Haq's Captaincy
Series Played : 9
Won : 5
Lost : 0
After Misbah's retirement (15 May 2017 to 4 Sep 2019)
Series Played : 3
Won : 1
Lost : 2
Misbah's Coaching tenure (4 Sep 2019 to Sep 2021)
Series Played : 3
Won : 3
Lost : 0
After Misbah's Coaching tenure (Oct 2021 to Aug 2024)
Series Played : 4
Won : 0
Lost : 2
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100% he needs to be back as a test specialist coach.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Jason Gillespie is a clown?
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This statement was nothing short of clownery.

"Salman Ali Agha is good enough to be classified as a specialist spinner. From what I've seen, he has a lot of potential with his off-spin." - Jason Gillespie before the 1st Test
 
RidiculousMan said:
This statement was nothing short of clownery.

"Salman Ali Agha is good enough to be classified as a specialist spinner. From what I've seen, he has a lot of potential with his off-spin." - Jason Gillespie before the 1st Test
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Jason Gillespie hasn't been a good coach this series. Their is no denying it.

But calling someone who was a key ingredient of classic Australia a clown is pushing it too far.

He has world class credentials as a coach and was an atg player in his era.

Compare that to misbah who lived in the shadow of Azhar and Younis as test batters, were memed for lack of odi centuries and bottling every tournament in whiteball and being booted into retirement for that rubbish England t20 bottle jobs + followed by a coaching stint which was memed beyond belief especially for Zimbabwe series loss (aka starting the chavha + Fakhar super over combo) and in said coaching stint was rightfully sacked by all angles.

Test cricket is the one thing that Misbah hasn't botched I 100% agree, so for your sake I hope he doesn't get it. If he does, you and the rest will form more narratives about pitches or will shift the blame on naqvi or ramiz or pcb management etc.

If he comes back as coach, then it'll he the official end for misbah once and for all. Rn dude has one last shred of dignity left on that stupid podcast, since in 2023 all his suggestions were laughably thrown into the bin by Babar and even mickey.
 
So to fix the pak team which lost a test match against bng,pak needs a guy as acoach who lost a test match against zimbabwe as captian.

www.espncricinfo.com

ZIM vs PAK Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Test at Harare, September 10 - 14, 2013

Get cricket scorecard of 2nd Test, ZIM vs PAK, Pakistan tour of Zimbabwe 2013 at Harare Sports Club dated September 10 - 14, 2013.
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

Guess what he was the last man fighting for his country as usual .
 
mominsaigol said:
Jason Gillespie hasn't been a good coach this series. Their is no denying it.

But calling someone who was a key ingredient of classic Australia a clown is pushing it too far.

He has world class credentials as a coach and was an atg player in his era.

Compare that to misbah who lived in the shadow of Azhar and Younis as test batters, were memed for lack of odi centuries and bottling every tournament in whiteball and being booted into retirement for that rubbish England t20 bottle jobs + followed by a coaching stint which was memed beyond belief especially for Zimbabwe series loss (aka starting the chavha + Fakhar super over combo) and in said coaching stint was rightfully sacked by all angles.

Test cricket is the one thing that Misbah hasn't botched I 100% agree, so for your sake I hope he doesn't get it. If he does, you and the rest will form more narratives about pitches or will shift the blame on naqvi or ramiz or pcb management etc.

If he comes back as coach, then it'll he the official end for misbah once and for all. Rn dude has one last shred of dignity left on that stupid podcast, since in 2023 all his suggestions were laughably thrown into the bin by Babar and even mickey.
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No need to defend him so much. I called his statement clownery, because it was.

Gillespie's success as a coach will be judged once his tenure ends.
 
RidiculousMan said:
No need to defend him so much. I called his statement clownery, because it was.

Gillespie's success as a coach will be judged once his tenure ends.
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Not defending him, But it's laughable that you think misbah a guy who brought back Muhammad irfan put of retirement home to face Australia in their home den is gonna be some genius on the mic.
 
mominsaigol said:
Not defending him, But it's laughable that you think misbah a guy who brought back Muhammad irfan put of retirement home to face Australia in their home den is gonna be some genius on the mic.
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He also played Irfan before in numerous series and world cup where he found success and help Pakistan win matches if you are forgetting?

But you will cling on to the fact that why Misbah brough Irfan back for a T20I series. Now if you care so much about it. Let me put facts within context for you.

1st T20I. Pakistan scored merely 107 in a 15 overs game. Irfan was making his comeback. He giveaway 31 runs in 2 overs. Which can happen to almost all bowlers. Specially when they are making a comeback.

In the 2nd game. Irfan's figures were 1-27 in 4 overs. Splendid effort and comeback. He was Pakistan's best bowler that game. Do you know that? Do people remember that?

Irfan didn't played the 3rd game. Because everyone, including Irfan and Misbah realized that it may be the time for Irfan to hang his boots.
 
RidiculousMan said:
He also played Irfan before in numerous series and world cup where he found success and help Pakistan win matches if you are forgetting?

But you will cling on to the fact that why Misbah brough Irfan back for a T20I series. Now if you care so much about it. Let me put facts within context for you.

1st T20I. Pakistan scored merely 107 in a 15 overs game. Irfan was making his comeback. He giveaway 31 runs in 2 overs. Which can happen to almost all bowlers. Specially when they are making a comeback.

In the 2nd game. Irfan's figures were 1-27 in 4 overs. Splendid effort and comeback. He was Pakistan's best bowler that game. Do you know that? Do people remember that?

Irfan didn't played the 3rd game. Because everyone, including Irfan and Misbah realized that it may be the time for Irfan to hang his boots.
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Am not forgetting. During captaincy irfan was younger. So in fine with it.

Their is no sense to bring back irfan at age 37 to face Australia in their home den. The idea it took him to bring back irfan only to realise yeah he's done when everyone on the planet knew he was finished considering he's bloody 37 and he ain't no Jimmy anderson is hilarious. Genius IQ.

He also brought back shehzad, UA, then was the originator of chacha in super overs, this dude led us from no 1 rank which was achieved by beating Full strength Australia in a trie series final to getting humilated against every team including Zimbabwe.

He got sacked and rightfully so. And he's the founder of this Babar/rizwan/chacha nexus that has been so problematic for pakistan since it's inception on 2019
 
mominsaigol said:
Am not forgetting. During captaincy irfan was younger. So in fine with it.

Their is no sense to bring back irfan at age 37 to face Australia in their home den. The idea it took him to bring back irfan only to realise yeah he's done when everyone on the planet knew he was finished considering he's bloody 37 and he ain't no Jimmy anderson is hilarious. Genius IQ.

He also brought back shehzad, UA, then was the originator of chacha in super overs, this dude led us from no 1 rank which was achieved by beating Full strength Australia in a trie series final to getting humilated against every team including Zimbabwe.

He got sacked and rightfully so. And he's the founder of this Babar/rizwan/chacha nexus that has been so problematic for pakistan since it's inception on 2019
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He gave chances to domestic performers. Under his coaching. Almost all the players he brought delivered and performed. Including Rizwan and Iftikhar. It is absolutely not his fault whatever happened to the time after his tenure.
 
RidiculousMan said:
He gave chances to domestic performers. Under his coaching. Almost all the players he brought delivered and performed. Including Rizwan and Iftikhar. It is absolutely not his fault whatever happened to the time after his tenure.
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No they didn't, under his tenure pakistan lost to Zimbabwe haha.

Chacha never performed, it was a farce, I've seen misbah deliberately trying his hardest to not bring chacha on when zampa is bowling and only have him play pacers.

In the same manner I saw him promoting rizzu after rizzu failed badly at 4.

Wdym by almost all players performing? If all players performed or almost, why did pakistan go from an already no 1 ranked team that beat Australia at full strength in a trie series final and win 29 out of its 34 games to getting demolished by c team sri lanka, Zimbabwe, SA and various others?

What's the science behind that?
 
Rana said:
This is the perfect description

Misbah the kind of guy who wants to break a functioning system and present himself as the solution to the problem that he has created
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Reminds of heath ledger joker, except he did for the lolz and loved the damage he was causing.

He did the same thing, Created problems for the mob that only he could solve only to burn the mob down just so he could make Harvey dent work.

Misbah is the same, created problems for pakistan, stripping them of no 1 rank and turned them into a laughing stock, offered to fix the issues, only to burn it all down just to make rizwam work 🤣🤣
 
This is like asking an average surgeon to form a Whipple procedure because the patient is dying.

Even the best surgeon will struggle if the sepsis is too extensive.
 
Major said:
Pakistan Test record at home (Including UAE)
Under Misbah ul Haq's Captaincy
Series Played : 9
Won : 5
Lost : 0
After Misbah's retirement (15 May 2017 to 4 Sep 2019)
Series Played : 3
Won : 1
Lost : 2
Misbah's Coaching tenure (4 Sep 2019 to Sep 2021)
Series Played : 3
Won : 3
Lost : 0
After Misbah's Coaching tenure (Oct 2021 to Aug 2024)
Series Played : 4
Won : 0
Lost : 2
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Misbah as a captain was successful because he would shoulder the burden, Misbah would play the hardest and was a consistent performer. Because of this Misbah had respect of all the players. When a Captain does not perform (like Shan) he gets no respect from his players, why would you listen to a captain who makes 6 runs while you just made a big century.

Because of this respect Misbah united the players behind him (Misbah's success came from this player unity). However as a coach Misbah failed because his tactics don't work and he is also not a good verbal motivator. It is one thing to lead by personal performance but to inspire others to give their best is a different thing altogether.

Misbah the Coach was a failure.
 
Rana said:
This is the perfect description

Misbah the kind of guy who wants to break a functioning system and present himself as the solution to the problem that he has created
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What is your proposal to fix the issue? Rizwan & Babar to retire?
 
gazza619 said:
What is your proposal to fix the issue? Rizwan & Babar to retire?
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You cant just ask someone that.

This is not a lego set that you can just fix right off the bat lol.

This is a 4 year onslaught. Misbah started it, Ramiz made it worse, Naqvi turned it into a corpse.

All issues related to state of current players, Mentality and fitness of players, crapola pitches and nepo factor was started by Misbah and escalated from their.

To fix all of this will take a long long long time.

Just like it takes years to build trust but a second to break it, It takes years to build a solid structure but only one wrong decison to tumble it down.

Blame misbah for it. My brother @Rana Can't write you a 4 year essay lol
 
Ahmed216 said:
Misbah at least had a plan to defeat SENA in Asian conditions
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Misbah is not a bad onfield captain, nor is he a bad planner. No one is saying that. He's good onfield wise and good when it comes to strategy in that way.

He's totally crap when it comes to actually creating a team and gelling them which is what the task is required.

People think that him coming back to have a good coaching stint in test and crapola coaching stint in odi and t20 means that he should be given test coaching only.

People like you and @RidiculousMan and @Major Need to understand context.

2017-2019 team was a structure that was already built, the team was struggling in test, dominating in t20 and mixed results in odi, however the structure was built, it just needed to be inporved on

Misbah's ego however destroyed an already built t20 structure and an already built odi structure because he just wanted Babar as captain and make rizwan + Chacha to work at all costs along with a few others.

He didn't change the test structure though because test was one format where sarfi did not succeed so he didn't need to impose any of his predjuice and just improve the structure which he is capable of doing as he's a good strategist.

Please understand all 3 of you, that currently the structure is next to dead in test cricket. Odi and t20 is misbah's fault but test cricket is ramiz's fault 100%. However misbah still needs to fix the structure even if for test he didn't break it, And he's the most clueless coach on the planet when it comes to building such and such, and will only destroy it further.

But fine, I hope God answers your prayers and brings him back, I can already hear the excuses on Major blaming ramiz or someone else forming some weird narrative.

Misbah is a shell now, reputation completly ruined with just that one podcast show left, but bring him back, he can get sacked and get lost once and for all and this time no more coaching positions or podcast shows to hire him anymore.
 
As test captain I'd bring him back if he were young again. But he doesn't have a great coaching record, or even a lot of coaching experience. I get some of the decisions he made as captain, he could make the same as coach. But it's still different. Maybe in his first stint he should have been made test specialist coach rather than all formats.

I'm very disappointed we've had another foreign coach who has done the same mistake as Mickey did. And at least Mickey's fault was not playing the 2nd spinner against Sri Lanka. Gillespie fault was not picking just one spinner. And I'm sure he had a hand in the declaration too. Mickey also experimented a lot with Faheem and Shadab too. You can't just go out there and build a team for foreign conditions. We play most of our games in Asia, so the biggest priority is getting good in asia. Playing four pacers is what these foreign teams do when they don't have a good spinner. And they usually end up reverting anyway. To see Pakistan do it was shocking.

Decisions like this makes you think we are better off with an asian/Pakistani coach. Especially in tests, in LOI it tends to matter less, as there's less reliance on conditions/home advantage. Though I'd still not go Misbah, I'd probably go with whoever the best performing Pakistani coach is in domestic.
 
Rana said:
They can carry on playing for all I care, it’s not my team.
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Then why are you always busy doing their character assassination? Purpose of any revolution is to bring about change.
I am perplexed really
 
mominsaigol said:
You cant just ask someone that.

This is not a lego set that you can just fix right off the bat lol.

This is a 4 year onslaught. Misbah started it, Ramiz made it worse, Naqvi turned it into a corpse.

All issues related to state of current players, Mentality and fitness of players, crapola pitches and nepo factor was started by Misbah and escalated from their.

To fix all of this will take a long long long time.

Just like it takes years to build trust but a second to break it, It takes years to build a solid structure but only one wrong decison to tumble it down.

Blame misbah for it. My brother @Rana Can't write you a 4 year essay lol
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So the 4 year process has got to start with a step 1.

What is your step 1.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Then why are you always busy doing their character assassination? Purpose of any revolution is to bring about change.
I am perplexed really
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As if you even care about what I stand for.
 
gazza619 said:
So the 4 year process has got to start with a step 1.

What is your step 1.
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Step 1 is to improve the pitches obviously. Any brain dead moron would know that you're literally feeding into Indian ego's?

They won't come anyway but the least you could do, is show the rest of the planet that your pitch is capable of hosting a tournament.

This pitch is a phatta wicket, not only is it unsuitable for test, but 90% youngsters play on these types of pitches. No wonder the talent pool is next to dead and theirs a major loss of fc cricket. Why would pacers wanna play fc here and why would batters improve when they pitches prevent then from learning how to play basic seam and spin? Pur entire team cannot handle seam or spin?

Ramiz raja caused this damage, Use your 55M to fix it rather then having the audacity to claim that you can host an international tournament when you can't even get proper seats. Imagine asking people to pay 200,000 pkr to sit on wooden concrete haha.
 
gazza619 said:
You dont care and yet all your posts start with the word Babar and end with Rizwan.
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I want to see them play more now. I am enjoying this destruction. It’s sadistic, but you people will never learn.

Ab you Mazza aaney laga hai is Tabahi ko dekhne mai
 
mominsaigol said:
Misbah is not a bad onfield captain, nor is he a bad planner. No one is saying that. He's good onfield wise and good when it comes to strategy in that way.

He's totally crap when it comes to actually creating a team and gelling them which is what the task is required.

People think that him coming back to have a good coaching stint in test and crapola coaching stint in odi and t20 means that he should be given test coaching only.

People like you and @RidiculousMan and @Major Need to understand context.

2017-2019 team was a structure that was already built, the team was struggling in test, dominating in t20 and mixed results in odi, however the structure was built, it just needed to be inporved on

Misbah's ego however destroyed an already built t20 structure and an already built odi structure because he just wanted Babar as captain and make rizwan + Chacha to work at all costs along with a few others.

He didn't change the test structure though because test was one format where sarfi did not succeed so he didn't need to impose any of his predjuice and just improve the structure which he is capable of doing as he's a good strategist.

Please understand all 3 of you, that currently the structure is next to dead in test cricket. Odi and t20 is misbah's fault but test cricket is ramiz's fault 100%. However misbah still needs to fix the structure even if for test he didn't break it, And he's the most clueless coach on the planet when it comes to building such and such, and will only destroy it further.

But fine, I hope God answers your prayers and brings him back, I can already hear the excuses on Major blaming ramiz or someone else forming some weird narrative.

Misbah is a shell now, reputation completly ruined with just that one podcast show left, but bring him back, he can get sacked and get lost once and for all and this time no more coaching positions or podcast shows to hire him anymore.
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No I don't want him to come back. I just mentioned one of his strengths.
I actually believe that nothing can fix our cricket now.

Even Major never claimed in OP that Misbah can solve all our problems he just made an enquiry
 
Kroll said:
Look who opened this thread, case closed.
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Misbah is being dragged into every thread whenever Pakistan loses a match, you'll find Misbah's name mentioned at least 20 times in the match threads. That’s probably why @Major came up with some stats, I believe.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Was YK playing then ? Misbah the batter playing then?

That middle order was weakened significantly after their retirements .

Also they played only 1 spinner.
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Yk was playing between 2000 and 2007.

Yk playing or not doesnt matter as the lanka sode that defeated pakistan was pretty bad itself.

You said it yourself. They played 1 spinner, which shows that sarfraz dint know how to captain.

So the argument that anyone could had what misbah did os flawed because as soon as another captain came in, he lost.
 
Ahmed216 said:
No I don't want him to come back. I just mentioned one of his strengths.
I actually believe that nothing can fix our cricket now.

Even Major never claimed in OP that Misbah can solve all our problems he just made an enquiry
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Major also claimed babar azam is the best player from Pakistan ever.

I've judged him enough by now to know the difference between an inquiry and an agenda disguised as an enquiry.
 
Misbah should be test coach and consultant for power hitting in white ball- while he is known or criticized for tuk tuk, when motivated he is one of the cleanest power hitters I have seen in Russell-Gayle mode.
 
Local.Dada said:
Misbah should be test coach and consultant for power hitting in white ball- while he is known or criticized for tuk tuk, when motivated he is one of the cleanest power hitters I have seen in Russell-Gayle mode.
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He himself is one of the slowest and most frustrating batters to watch and you want him to teach the team power hitting to improve SR?
 
No. Misbah is a solid guy but we need a guy that thinks outside the box. The question is whether we have that guy like thaf
 
Shafique
Hurraira
Saud (c)
Ghulam
O Yousuf
 Haseebullah
Jamal
Abbas Afridi
Naseem
Abrar
M Mumtaz

Hopefully next cycle this will be the line up.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Shafique
Hurraira
Saud (c)
Ghulam
O Yousuf
 Haseebullah
Jamal
Abbas Afridi
Naseem
Abrar
M Mumtaz

Hopefully next cycle this will be the line up.
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Beware of Haseebullah

He’s only being promoted out of Balochistan quota
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Rohail then. We need to start afresh.
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Don’t completely take my word for it tbh. It’s just something I have assessed with this kid. He’s being pushed too much. He isn’t the worst but it’s shocking to see him play international cricket whereas a player like Muhammad Akhlaq wasn’t given a chance. The fact that he opened for Pakistan in a game where Fakhar batted at 4 and Sahibzada at 7…the red flags are there already.

The kid to look out for is Saad Baig. He will be a leader who EVERYONE in Pakistan will stand behind InshaAllah
 
Rana said:
Don’t completely take my word for it tbh. It’s just something I have assessed with this kid. He’s being pushed too much. He isn’t the worst but it’s shocking to see him play international cricket whereas a player like Muhammad Akhlaq wasn’t given a chance. The fact that he opened for Pakistan in a game where Fakhar batted at 4 and Sahibzada at 7…the red flags are there already.

The kid to look out for is Saad Baig. He will be a leader who EVERYONE in Pakistan will stand behind InshaAllah
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Saad Baig must be from Karachi
 
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