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But he's only got 57 hundreds![]()
Kallis has been a terrific accumulator whereas Tendulkar has stood up against the bests and has held his own.
Jacques Kallis Test Average is Better than Sachin. Is he better than Sachin in test arena?![]()
So greatness only on basis of batting avg?
Jayawardene and Samarweera avg more than Sir Viv,Ponting and Dravid?Are they better than them?
Kallis avgs 1 avg point better than Tendulkar.........But whats Kallis's avg againist Australia,England SL ?
Kallis is a Complete cricket, compare to Sachin only wants to Bat.
138 Test matches and maintaining 57. Average Quite Remarkablelman
IMO Kallis alongside Ponting are the best batsmen in the world..
For me it goes.. Kallis, Ponting, Dravid, Tendulkar, Lara..
Is Kallis better cricketer? Yes. Is Kallis best test batsman of this decade? Yes (Punter may argue) Is Kallis better batsman than SRT? No. Heck, he is not even better than Punter, Dravid, and Lara.
I even question that. How many world XIs does Kallis make ? Doesn't get an entry as a batsman or as an all rounder even when statistically he's up there.
It's because of the simple reason that World XIs consist of players that hold their own. Kallis doesn't. The end
Kallis has been a terrific accumulator whereas Tendulkar has stood up against the bests and has held his own.
So greatness only on basis of batting avg?
Jayawardene and Samarweera avg more than Sir Viv,Ponting and Dravid?Are they better than them?
Kallis avgs 1 avg point better than Tendulkar.........But whats Kallis's avg againist Australia,England SL ?
Tendu is an average bowler bully,,,, so which test best players does he have a good record against.....
Warne aside.
For this era, he doesn't have many who can challenge him for all rounder position. He will never be picked for World XI as a sole batsman or bowler in any era. Though his numbers as an all rounder are very good as Sir Sobers.
but when you make up World XI over all, you are right, there are many other contenders ahead of him.
Have u seen cricindias BQI analysis?
Kalliss average against the best is higher.....
Tendulkar avgs a minimum of 40 againist every team he has ever played and in every country..........
Does Kallis has similar record?
Why doesnt Kallis even gets a mention among world's greatest batsmen when experts talk about them or pick a world 11?
Reason:Kallis avgs less than 35 againist 3 of the top 5 bowling attacks of his time......Enough said....
Both shy away from No 3 position....
Tendu stats are boosted by high scores against weak attacks of "strong" countries.
e.g have a look at tendus recrd against australia when mcgrath or SA when donald or Pak when waqar etc was in the attack.
Tendu stats are boosted by high scores against weak attacks of "strong" countries.
e.g have a look at tendus recrd against australia when mcgrath or SA when donald or Pak when waqar etc was in the attack.
Tendu stats are boosted by high scores against weak attacks of "strong" countries.
e.g have a look at tendus recrd against australia when mcgrath or SA when donald or Pak when waqar etc was in the attack.
Never harmed a top team with his bowling , quite an over rated all rounder in last few years. You get to hear about his alround heroics only when he keeps achieving some unique-wickets statistical combo from time to time but not through actual allrpund performances against top teams.
Even Yuvraj for a few matches proved his worth in the last world as an all rounder. That's what you call all round performance. It happens on ground and you see it and you feel it like we all felt when Flintoff did it in Ashes. Kallis keeps doing it on paper
Kallis avg excluding India and the minnows = 52.61 (117 matches)
Tendulkar avg excluding SA and the minnows = 55.48 (140 matches )
Kallis avg excluding minnows only = 54.75 (133 matches)
Tendlukar avg excluding minnows only = 53.33 (165 matches)
Kallis avg excluding home games = 55.22 (68 matches)
Tendlukar avg excluding home games = 55.74 (102 matches)
Kallis avg excluding home games + minnows = 51.09 (63 matches)
Tendlukar avg excluding home games + minnows = 52.93 (91 matches)
Well there are the stats... discuss!![]()
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<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/9AsEsYtUPBQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>Kallis scored 8 centuries in 2010-2011. 4 against us. I understand the point you are trying to make. I was never thrilled by Kallis' any of his knocks. Only one that was good knock really made me go wohh was in capetown recently.
People don't remember Kallis' batting because it doesn't excite anyone. Only shots I have enjoyed was his 'standing tall' cover drive and slog sweep against spinners.
However, I have enjoyed his bowling in ODI in 90s, lately it has been crap or not enjoyable in ODIs either. He has not been consistent performer with with the bat till 2009-onwards. His bowling is no where near the level of SA bowling.
That's why you are right, his image as an all rounder just looks good on paper, heck he hasn't even bowled much lately for last many years.
Tendu is an average bowler bully,,,, so which test best players does he have a good record against.....
Warne aside.
Sachinistas getting defensive again with the "Kallis is never picked in a world 11" nonsense.
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How exactly?
The best of the best players are chosen for the world XIs so how is it not a strong arguement?
Sachinistas getting defensive again with the "Kallis is never picked in a world 11" nonsense.
The crux of the thread is not to attack SRT but to determine whether the calibre of a batsman can be measured on average alone, the answer is clearly no.
It should be duly noted, next time Sachinistas defend SRT using his average(s), this thread shall be cited.
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Dude where's your paper? Will it ever see light? Are you waiting for your "SRT"s 100th 100?![]()
I am having trouble creating graphs from the data in Excel.
Don't worry, it is coming.![]()
<iframe width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c-xgS0LM6LI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>@Freelance_Cricketer I am looking for highlights for this match. If you come across, please share. http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/236809.html this inning is rated really high by many journos.
another lame thread
should be about kallis vs flintoff
+1
My vote to Flintoff there
And Ponting flopped against India, Sobers flopped against NZ, Dravid flopped against SA, etc. Doesn't prove anything.Kallis ''flopped'' against the best side of his time
Yeah he recently flopped against the #1 test team - that's why he scored a century through injury![]()
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That was superb as well but i prefer the ones at Centurian 2003, Lahore 2004, Gwalior 2007Nothing better than treating world's fastest bowler like a trundler
]SRT well aware of his Century curse, always hits those match winning 90s against Pakistan![]()
Your vote goes to mediocrity? What do you base it on? And please don't say that he won more matches - he only had one good Ashes series![]()
hehehe
Argh! It's not even full highlights, but hats off that you even found this clip. I will wait for the full match, if someone uploads it. Ball was seaming/swinging like crazy.and company were at their best with new ball.
My fav. test knocks are 169 against SA capetown and 136 against Pakistan. ODIs are just too many. Centurion is surely at the top.
And Ponting flopped against India, Sobers flopped against NZ, Dravid flopped against SA, etc. Doesn't prove anything.
india is a number 1 team which loses 4-0, 1 series later, imran farhat can hit them a hundred on 1 leg, kallis and pollock 2 great players have better records than most players in the history both flopped against aus esp. pollock
And Ponting flopped against India, Sobers flopped against NZ, Dravid flopped against SA, etc. Doesn't prove anything.
Only a bloody retard would chose Tendulker.
Bradman , Viv Richards, Lara, Hadlee, Benaud are all bunch of retards? Keem'em coming Genius![]()
Your vote goes to mediocrity? What do you base it on? And please don't say that he won more matches - he only had one good Ashes series![]()