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Wow, this ATG's average might actually reach 29 one day. Steyn, Waqar, Wasim, Marshall couldn't even dream of an average that low
Steyn: 22.6530.14 right now.
last 5 years: 27.59
last 3 years: 25.22
Take that haters![]()
Steyn: 22.65
Philander: 17.13
Pattinson: 23.37
Southee (Away from home) 26.31
I see what you did there.
Just because Southee averages 54 at home.)
Anderson's average should be around 20ish.
You lot can witter about whatever you like, but an average of solid 20s for the last 5 consecutive years is objective and conclusive evidence enough for me.
Morkel averages 29 strike rate 55.
And people think he is overrated. So i dont know how a guy averaging more than that with a higher strike rate gets all the media attention and hype
As you can spot the sentiment around you, there are many who think Anderson's overrated too.
Both are the nearly there men of international fast bowling today. It's just the fact that we perceive Morkel as the clear second or third best in his line-up, thanks to the domineering presence of the bloke they call Dale.
its just that those who rate Jimmy are claiming he is a legend and an ll time great of the game. As you can see the hype is not equivalent now is it?
You can attribute that to the excitable English media. For the first time in a long time, they finally have a decent team, so expect their papers, commentators, ex-players and the like to continually blow the trumpet.
To all the people bashing Anderson, it's only malakian and kpfan going to these extremes to call him great.
If he manages to dip his average below 30, he'll have clawed it back from an average worthy of Ishant to respectability, over a long career. He would end up the best English bowler for the past two decades (ahead of Harmison, Gough, Caddick, Hoggard) simply due to his production and his ability to still keep playing. And if he crosses Botham, he still wont be as good as the three currently ahead of him in the 300 club, but he'll be an England great.
In the international scene he will end up being remembered as a solid, good bowler, one of many who made it to 300, and ended up with under 30. And that's fine, England have not had many bowlers that have made it to even that list, and we'll be happy with that. Solid, quality bowler, and he'd make a currently playing World XI, we can hardly ask for more than that.
Morkel averages 29 strike rate 55.
And people think he is overrated. So i dont know how a guy averaging more than that with a higher strike rate gets all the media attention and hype
To all the people bashing Anderson, it's only malakian and kpfan going to these extremes to call him great.
If he manages to dip his average below 30, he'll have clawed it back from an average worthy of Ishant to respectability, over a long career. He would end up the best English bowler for the past two decades (ahead of Harmison, Gough, Caddick, Hoggard) simply due to his production and his ability to still keep playing. And if he crosses Botham, he still wont be as good as the three currently ahead of him in the 300 club, but he'll be an England great.
Good post.
In the early days of his England career Jimmy was over-coached. He got a lot of conflicting advice and they tried to remodel his action. Had they left him be, he'd have passed Botham by now averaging about 27.
Anyway he is now on 305, right behind Trueman and should past the illustrious Yorkie in NZ's next innings.
I think Gough was better over his career than Anderson. But if it comes down to a difference of average by 1-2 and ~170 odd wickets or more... you would have to give it to Jimmy for production and longevity. I have him ahead of Hoggy and Harmison on both criteria. Probably past Caddick for being the main striker. Only Tough left to surpass..
Jimmy is no Fred Trueman, but what's wrong with having a slightly weaker version of another famous Lancastrian in Statham.
I concur with your pecking order. Caddick had most capacity to bulldoze a hole in the opposition but he could be easily put off by the Aussies.
What we really need is a reliable full-on strike bowler. I think Finn can develop that way. He's still really young and is already closing on 100 test wickets, striking every 48 balls. If he keeps this up he'll pass Botham, Jimmy, everyone.
Finn needs a lot of work. He swans in and takes easy tailender wickets and I think his most removed wickets are Bangladesh players.
Decent bowler but overrated by most...I dont rate bowlers who average 30+ despite playing 90% matches on juicy seaming English pitches...Worst of all he is the leader of English attack....I dont buy this coached improperly early on or stats dont do justice to his class rubbish theory....His stats showed exactly what he is all about....Above average bowler who disappoints against good sides and destroy minnows to maintain his sub 30 average.....
Anderson has the benefit of good seaming pitches of England.But he should embarrassed to call himself the spearhead of the attack with that average.The batting lineup makes him look good always !
Then every Indian fast bowler (I know, oxymoron :/ ) should be embarrassed at himself.
When was the last time India had someone spearheading their "pace attack" with an average lesser than that of Jimmy?
Good post.
In the early days of his England career Jimmy was over-coached. He got a lot of conflicting advice and they tried to remodel his action. Had they left him be, he'd have passed Botham by now averaging about 27.
Anyway he is now on 305, right behind Trueman and should past the illustrious Yorkie in NZ's next innings.
He's one of the best pacers today and will end up as an English great, might even end up as England's greatest pacer. However, that is only down to the fact that cricket is really thin on quality pacers at the moment and the ones that are good, are not as established as Jimmy.
Not a chance in hell, unless it's only measured by the number of wickets due to having played way more games than the players of past.
Not a chance in hell, unless it's only measured by the number of wickets due to having played way more games than the players of past.
If he ends up averaging 28 with more than 400 wickets then who knows?
Amusing assumption, considering he is a thick as a brick.
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Anderson's problem is that when he is bad, he is usually VERY BAD which destroy his overall stats
Au contraire. I do not over-rate them: I consider them to be good test bowlers. I say they have the potential to become greats, but Broad in particular will have to get a move on as he is 26 already.
And what do you mean by you people? Am I to take that as racist?
Anderson is better than any Pakistan/Indian/Australian fast bowler. That is all.
Anderson is not better than Peter Siddle
lol, what a joke.
<20-25 Excellent.
25-28 Very Good.
28-32 Good.
>40 Extremely poor.
35-40 Poor.
32-35 Satisfactory.
One may ask what is the difference between 31 and 34? As much as difference between average of 47 vs 50 in batting.
>40 Extremely poor.
35-40 Poor.
32-35 Satisfactory.
One may ask what is the difference between 31 and 34? As much as difference between average of 47 vs 50 in batting.
lol is this the indian scale. rest of the worl anything above 32 is poor
lol is this the indian scale. rest of the worl anything above 32 is poor
20 and 25 can't be grouped together, that's like Marshall and Gillespie.... when the gap is getting closer and average is towards 20, there is a pretty big difference. Only 2/3 points seperate ATGs like Mcgrath/ Imran from bowlers who are clearly not in the same league.
lol is this the indian scale. rest of the worl anything above 32 is poor
With another test match against NZ and 10 against Aus coming up over the next year. How many wickets do you think he will take. I think he will take around 50 in the 6 Test in England. And another 40 in Aus. So he should be close to 400 wicket and ahead of Botham. If he does not get injured and plays in all the matches of course.
With another test match against NZ and 10 against Aus coming up over the next year. How many wickets do you think he will take. I think he will take around 50 in the 6 Test in England. And another 40 in Aus. So he should be close to 400 wicket and ahead of Botham. If he does not get injured and plays in all the matches of course.
Jimmy never gets injured, he's a real man who can bowl lots of overs, unlike the soft Aussies.