Jasprit Bumrah vs Hasan Ali

[Ram Shekhar]

Players can have bad form, bad year. There's no reason to kick them while they are down.

Although, with Hassan (and I think this applies for most of Pakistan team) the success of CT has done more harm than good. Its filled a sense of belief in many of these players that they have already reached the pinnacle. The kind of cricket Pakistan has produced since then has been very disappointing and isn't befitting the talent many players possess including Hassan. New coach of Pakistan cricket has to sort this out before next big tournament, which is 1 year away.

In a sense Pakistan cricket reached pinnacle in 2017. There was nothing better they could have done. Everything came together so well. It was always going to be tough to replicate such success.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

I said in many threads earlier and here goes.. Hasan Ali lost the zip in his bowling for reasons I don't know. He never had the pace but he was successful in skidding and moving the ball both ways. Both these components are now not there. He needs to work on these to get back in full flow. He is now reminding me of another similar bowler Pakistan had - Bilawal Bhatti, 5-6 years ago!

 

[Hyperion66]

Pandya is a better bowler than Hasan on current form.

 

[castortroy]

Shami, Bhuvenish, Bhumra and Pandya are all better than Hassan Ali

Hassan Ali is done at the top level in terms of bowling. Had his 2 year peak and now as many pak bowler, on the decline

 

[Khanusman1]

Bumarah at best is level with Indian bowler Laxshmi Balaji. Please don’t compare him with GOAT’s like Hasan Ali or Afridi or amir. Indian bowlers don’t have the Jazba like ours. We are tigers, our bowlers break stumps then eat them for lunch

 

[spiderreddy]

No comparison at the moment

 

[spiderreddy]

Bumrah goes past 100 ODI wkts

Bumrah - 57 Mat, 102 wks, 21.72 avg, 4.5 eco

 

[big_gamer007]

Hasan had a terrific start, now with Shaheen performing good and amir and wahab back in form will be difficult for Hasan to get back in team.

Bumrah on the other hand took his game to another level.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Bumrah goes past 100 ODI wkts

Bumrah - 57 Mat, 102 wks, 21.72 avg, 4.5 eco

Bas kar bhai. Pakistaniyon ne bhi reply karna band kar diya ab.

 

[Kaizoku]

Mods please delete this thread. Start Shaheen Afridi vs Bumrah thread.

 

[Shazzam]

Bumrah has the worst celebrations so I pick Hasan Ali.

 

[Rayyman]

Hasan Ali >>>>>>>>>>> Jasprit Bumrah

 

[aloo paratha]

Hasan Ali >>>>>>>>>>> Jasprit Bumrah

In asia maybe. Outside Asia Bumrah is much better.

 

[pillionrider]

In asia maybe. Outside Asia Bumrah is much better.

lolwut

Bumrah has bowled in 1 test innings in Asia.

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[pillionrider]

Hasan is cut from a different cloth.

I agree

Hasan is a complete bowler, while Bumrah is more of an LOI specialist. Hasan is good enough to lead the attack, while Bumrah is more of a support, contribute here and there kind of bowler.

These two posts were from the first quarter of the first page.

Got bored and not gonna bother with the embarrassment any further

 

[aloo paratha]

lolwut

Bumrah has bowled in 1 test innings in Asia.

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That's why I said maybe. We know Hasan is very good in Asian conditions, Bumrah is unproven.

 

[Hyperion66]

Hasan surely came back strongly but he has to sustain this performance for this comparison to be valid.

 

[Hitman]

Hasan Ali - 43 wickets; 26.32 (ave); SR - 49

Jasprit Bumrah - 83 wickets; 21.87 (ave); SR - 48.6

 

[Pakhs]

Hasan surely came back strongly but he has to sustain this performance for this comparison to be valid.

Hasan Ali - 43 wickets; 26.32 (ave); SR - 49

Jasprit Bumrah - 83 wickets; 21.87 (ave); SR - 48.6

Bumrah is a proven LOI performer and comparisons with Hasan are not valid. However Bumrahs graph is going slowly in the wrong direction since his started playing test cricket and getting injured often. His average is also on the way up since feasting on poor WI side on difficult wickets. Both are newbies in tests so far.

 

[Mesozoic]

Hasan Ali >>>>>>>>>>> Jasprit Bumrah

Lol this again.

 

[Mesozoic]

Bumrah is a proven LOI performer and comparisons with Hasan are not valid. However Bumrahs graph is going slowly in the wrong direction since his started playing test cricket and getting injured often. His average is also on the way up since feasting on poor WI side on difficult wickets. Both are newbies in tests so far.

Yeah right. Poor WI side that smashed England twice a few months before.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

bumrah is class apart... if Hassan Ali can give him this comparison competition , Pak will win lots of games

 

[Mamoon]

I agree




These two posts were from the first quarter of the first page.

Got bored and not gonna bother with the embarrassment any further

It is interesting because if you swap Hassan and Bumrah in Usman Chadda’s post, the description is very accurate.

 

[Itachi]

Hasan Ali - 43 wickets; 26.32 (ave); SR - 49

Jasprit Bumrah - 83 wickets; 21.87 (ave); SR - 48.6

Argument: bumrah hasn't bowled in batting friendly pitches in Asian condition and hence his avg is low. Had he played in Asia, it will go up.

 

[Pakhs]

Yeah right. Poor WI side that smashed England twice a few months before.

It was a poor WI side for sure whichever way you put it and even Naseem shah feasted on them not long ago.

 

[Ahson8]

It is interesting because if you swap Hassan and Bumrah in Usman Chadda’s post, the description is very accurate.

How is Hasan a LOI specialist ? I'm not sure how you can be so clueless, his short height and low release point along with the two new ball rule which kills his major weapon, ie: reverse swing means he is prone to getting hit in limited overs. Test cricket is easily is best format.

 

[Pakhs]

Argument: bumrah hasn't bowled in batting friendly pitches in Asian condition and hence his avg is low. Had he played in Asia, it will go up.

Yes it will so will Hasan average. Bumrah has done better on flat tracks than Hasan Ali so far but his graph is on the way fown slowly after feasting on poor WI side and bowling on incredibly bowling friendly pitches of SA and England.

Those bowling friendly wickets were made to neutralise India's batting so in affect he benefited from playing in a team with strong batting line up which is not unusual.

 

[Mamoon]

How is Hasan a LOI specialist ? I'm not sure how you can be so clueless, his short height and low release point along with the two new ball rule which kills his major weapon, ie: reverse swing means he is prone to getting hit in limited overs. Test cricket is easily is best format.

If Test is his best format than he is quite an average bowler.

He cannot bowl Test match lengths and cannot put pressure on the batsmen even when he is taking wickets, since runs are always flowing when he is bowling.

His economy rate in his first spell in the second innings was 8 and 6 in the first innings.

This is big proper Test match bowling. Teams with strong batting lineups will thrash him.

He is just a very inferior version of Starc in Test cricket except that he is much slower and doesn’t have a good bouncer. He is always bowling full and looking for bowled and LBW which is not going to work against the top sides.

 

[Duckworth Lewis]

Not even worth comparing. Bumrah is at another level altogether. Even in his 10 wicket haul Hassan got tonked like anything. Bumrah had been around for a while now, and batsmen haven't found out him yet.

 

[Buffet]

Hasan Ali is more talented.

 

[Mamoon]

If Test is his best format than he is quite an average bowler.

He cannot bowl Test match lengths and cannot put pressure on the batsmen even when he is taking wickets, since runs are always flowing when he is bowling.

His economy rate in his first spell in the second innings was 8 and 6 in the first innings.

This is big proper Test match bowling. Teams with strong batting lineups will thrash him.

He is just a very inferior version of Starc in Test cricket except that he is much slower and doesn’t have a good bouncer. He is always bowling full and looking for bowled and LBW which is not going to work against the top sides.

This is not*

 

[Mesozoic]

It was a poor WI side for sure whichever way you put it and even Naseem shah feasted on them not long ago.

Okay I'll ignore the "whichever way you put it" escape and save you some grace but are you sure about the second part of your post? Naseem Shah is yet to play an int'l game against WI let alone a full Test series. Just saying....

 

[ikky47]

Okay I'll ignore the "whichever way you put it" escape and save you some grace but are you sure about the second part of your post? Naseem Shah is yet to play an int'l game against WI let alone a full Test series. Just saying....

I think he may be referring to Hasan Ali perhaps? But that last part of the post is just..

 

[Pakhs]

Okay I'll ignore the "whichever way you put it" escape and save you some grace but are you sure about the second part of your post? Naseem Shah is yet to play an int'l game against WI let alone a full Test series. Just saying....

Sorry I meant to say even the likes of Naseem shah will feast on their batting line up.

 

[Pakhs]

Okay I'll ignore the "whichever way you put it" escape and save you some grace but are you sure about the second part of your post? Naseem Shah is yet to play an int'l game against WI let alone a full Test series. Just saying....

Sorry I meant to say even the likes of Naseem shah will feast on their batting line up like he did not long ago against Bangladesh..

 

[Pakhs]

Okay I'll ignore the "whichever way you put it" escape and save you some grace but are you sure about the second part of your post? Naseem Shah is yet to play an int'l game against WI let alone a full Test series. Just saying....

������ I think he may be referring to Hasan Ali perhaps? But that last part of the post is just..

Are you going to deny that his average is on the way up since?

 

[ikky47]

Are you going to deny that his average is on the way up since?

What proof is that? Bumrah still averages 21 in test cricket and 24 in 50 overs. There’s nothing to say he’s on a decline. He’s just had a rough patch in 50 overs but in test his average has stayed consistent since his debut.

 

[Mesozoic]

Sorry I meant to say even the likes of Naseem shah will feast on their batting line up like he did not long ago against Bangladesh..

Getting desperate now aren't we?

Let's wait until Naseem shah or the "likes of him" dominate WI in a series in WI before coming to that conclusion. Until then it's just biased and wishful thinking.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It was a poor WI side for sure whichever way you put it and even Naseem shah feasted on them not long ago.

Watch that spell please!!!!
The level at which he was bowling that day even a lineup of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman could have done nothing.
That was one of the ATG spells.!!!
If you like fast bowling you can't ignore that spell.

 

[Fahdi]

I don't see Hassan Ali even managing a below 32 average in SA, Aus and NZ. He'll give plenty of runs there as well.

Bumrah on the other hand has played a good part in 2 series wins for India in Australia. At the moment Bumrah has an ATG level record. Bumrah, unless he fades away for some reason, looks set to finish his career as one of the greats of the game in Tests, and one should bear in mind that India is now very good at nurturing and taking care of their players, a privilege Hassan does not have which is why he is the one most likely to fade away either due to injury, skills not evolving or, as is most likely, both.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Hasan Ali is the type of bowler who can go for big runs but will also give memorable performances from time to time. His economy rate will go even higher but he has the ability to avg 27 - 28 and that will be more than enough.

Also he will be enjoy bowling in subcontinent more than SENA.

AS shoaib Akhtar says, this guy has jazba janoon and badmashi.

 

[Kroll]

With our fast bowling stocks being so low, I think we should just be grateful in having a fully fit and firing Hasan back so don't think we can compare to the best fast bowler in the world in Bumrah right now.

India is a far superior team to Pakistan and its embarrassing at how big the gap has got. Man for man, they're pretty much better in nearly every slot.

 

[Ahson8]

If Test is his best format than he is quite an average bowler.

He cannot bowl Test match lengths and cannot put pressure on the batsmen even when he is taking wickets, since runs are always flowing when he is bowling.

His economy rate in his first spell in the second innings was 8 and 6 in the first innings.

This is big proper Test match bowling. Teams with strong batting lineups will thrash him.

He is just a very inferior version of Starc in Test cricket except that he is much slower and doesn’t have a good bouncer. He is always bowling full and looking for bowled and LBW which is not going to work against the top sides.

Hes an aggressive bowler and looks to take wickets by pitching up the ball. Every bowler in the team has a different role. If you want to contain and build pressure, Fahim is in the team who can bowl tight lengths.

 

[Pakhs]

Getting desperate now aren't we?

Let's wait until Naseem shah or the "likes of him" dominate WI in a series in WI before coming to that conclusion. Until then it's just biased and wishful thinking.

Who has not dominated WI? Last time I remember Abbas was bowling against them as if he was next coming of Mcgrath lol I dont rate him at all.

 

[Pakhs]

Watch that spell please!!!!
The level at which he was bowling that day even a lineup of Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman could have done nothing.
That was one of the ATG spells.!!!
If you like fast bowling you can't ignore that spell.

The spell was made to look good just as Abbas spell was made to look good against WI. Its clear that Bumrah average is on the way up since but that does not mean he is not a good bowler infact too early to judge him in test matches anyway.

 

[Hasan123]

Hasan Ali is a very good bowler but Bumrah is still ahead.