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Jasprit Bumrah vs Hasan Ali

Rightarmfast said:
So I am asking again. Do we officially freeze on this fact presented by you that bowling and batting in England, Australia, WI and New Zealand is no different than bowling in India? Or scoring runs in India? This is what you implied... Lets hear from you!
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No buddy, I am not the one making tall claims in this thread such as 'Hasan Ali is a green-track bully'. :))

I am simply saying that in most countries nowadays, pitches are flat in general for LOIs. England and India probably have the flattest pitches though.

I gave you stats already so I'm done here. Like I said above, I don't think the margin between the two is all that large and I am not interested in these comparisons in general. Only chimed in when I saw a ludicrous statement.
 
Abdullah719 said:
No buddy, I am not the one making tall claims in this thread such as 'Hasan Ali is a green-track bully'. :))

I am simply saying that in most countries nowadays, pitches are flat in general for LOIs. England and India probably have the flattest pitches though.

I gave you stats already so I'm done here. Like I said above, I don't think the margin between the two is all that large and I am not interested in these comparisons in general. Only chimed in when I saw a ludicrous statement.
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COnsider your statement even more ludicrous then! You are now retracting now, not because you dont believe in comparisons, but because you know how hollow your statements are! Cheers!
 
Rightarmfast said:
COnsider your statement even more ludicrous then! You are now retracting now, not because you dont believe in comparisons, but because you know how hollow your statements are! Cheers!
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Rightarmfast said:
Like I said, let him perform in all conditions to be good enough to be compared to Bumrah. As of now, he is a GTB!
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Hasan performed in an ICC tournament and has performed in England which is statistically one of the hardest places for a pace bowler.

:salute Nothing more to say.
 
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Based on what I have seen so far, I will take Hasan right now. But performance over the long term matters a lot more than what you do in 12 months. Simply said, the next 2-3 years will show who ends up as a better bowler.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Hasan performed in an ICC tournament and has performed in England which is statistically one of the hardest places for a pace bowler.

:salute Nothing more to say.
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Atleast one statement of yours is factually correct. That you got nothing to say for your ridiculous statements! Cheers!
 
Rightarmfast said:
Atleast one statement of yours is factually correct. That you got nothing to say for your ridiculous statements! Cheers!
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Hasan with a good outing with the Dukes today, now the comparison starts in earnest with both having played a couple of Tests
 
Good to see Hasan catching up in tests.. Competition is neck to neck and hopefully will stay that ways throughout their careers.
 
Both good players, but Hasan coming into his own.
 
Indian bowlers shouldn't ever been compared to their Pakistani counterparts and the same is true (vice versa i. e.) for batsmen from Pakistan and their comparisons with Indians
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Hassan is miles ahead in all departments

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Bumrah is mentally fragile
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Not in speed.Bumrah is much faster.And Hassan also went for plenty of runs in England and also was mauled by an out-of-form Yuvi in CT.So on current pattas, anybody can be taken apart.Even Mitchell Starc went for runs in the recent Nz series.
 
Dingolfy said:
Not in speed.Bumrah is much faster.And Hassan also went for plenty of runs in England and also was mauled by an out-of-form Yuvi in CT.So on current pattas, anybody can be taken apart.Even Mitchell Starc went for runs in the recent Nz series.
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Hasan DOMINATED an ICC tournament. Bumrah will never do that since hes a stock bowler to hold one end. Hasan and Bumrah might be a contest in LOI cricket, but Hasan will eventually blow Bumrah to outer space in Test cricket.
 
It's like comparing Virat Kohli (Hassan) with Babar Azam (Bumrah). Virat and Hassan are match winners, impact players with swag. Babar and Bumrah are team players they are not going to set the world on fire but good enough to complete the job with discipline.
 
Babar is the best t20 batsman cause he is ranked no. 1
Pakistan is the best t20 team coz it is ranked no. 1.
But bumrah is a nothing bowler as ranking doesn't matter.
Double standards.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It's like comparing Virat Kohli (Hassan) with Babar Azam (Bumrah). Virat and Hassan are match winners, impact players with swag. Babar and Bumrah are team players they are not going to set the world on fire but good enough to complete the job with discipline.
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Bumrah has won us many odi matches, please check your facts before posting anything.
Yup i agree hassan is better but that doesn't mean bumrah isn't a match winner.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Hasan DOMINATED an ICC tournament. Bumrah will never do that since hes a stock bowler to hold one end. Hasan and Bumrah might be a contest in LOI cricket, but Hasan will eventually blow Bumrah to outer space in Test cricket.
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Ishant Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja also dominated 2013 CT.And Waqar Younis had always been off-colour during ICC tournaments.Does it make him a bad bowler?
And both have just started in Test cricket.Bumrah performed consistantly during the SA series and Hassan has started well.Let us see how he bowls next and then we can jump on to conclusions.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Hasan DOMINATED an ICC tournament. Bumrah will never do that since hes a stock bowler to hold one end. Hasan and Bumrah might be a contest in LOI cricket, but Hasan will eventually blow Bumrah to outer space in Test cricket.
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Yeah and u can say this just after he took 4 wickets in England.
 
Hassan Ali easily better. Hassan Ali should be talked about with the best bowlers in the world.
 
Dingolfy said:
Ishant Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja also dominated 2013 CT.And Waqar Younis had always been off-colour during ICC tournaments.Does it make him a bad bowler?
And both have just started in Test cricket.Bumrah performed consistantly during the SA series and Hassan has started well.Let us see how he bowls next and then we can jump on to conclusions.
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What. Ishant Sharma dominated CT2013? I don't remember. Jadeja was worshipped by Indian fans until recently, where he got smashed all over the park throughout the year. Waqar was a freak with unreal statistics, please don't insult him by taking his name in the same sentence as Bumrah.

Hasan will wreak absolute havoc on the pitches Bumrah got in SA. Theres absolutely no contest in Test cricket, since Hasan is a proper conventional seamer.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It's like comparing Virat Kohli (Hassan) with Babar Azam (Bumrah). Virat and Hassan are match winners, impact players with swag. Babar and Bumrah are team players they are not going to set the world on fire but good enough to complete the job with discipline.
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That I will agree with.
 
I won’t compare but just aesthetically I would pay to watch Hasan Ali bowl and I would pay not to watch bumrah bowl.

Both are starting their careers let’s talk about comparison few years down the line
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Bumrah has won us many odi matches, please check your facts before posting anything.
Yup i agree hassan is better but that doesn't mean bumrah isn't a match winner.
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Sorry I don't think you will understand this ever. Bumrah can be a match winner but he isn't going to run through batting line ups 5 out of 10 matches. Hassan Ali is capable of that and can change the match within a span of 2 overs. As I said just like opposition teams fear Virat Kohli because he is an impact player, same is true with Hassan Ali. Bumrah is a good bowler but as an Indian fan I would want someone like Hassan Ali in my team.
 
Usman Chadda said:
What. Ishant Sharma dominated CT2013? I don't remember. Jadeja was worshipped by Indian fans until recently, where he got smashed all over the park throughout the year. Waqar was a freak with unreal statistics, please don't insult him by taking his name in the same sentence as Bumrah.

Hasan will wreak absolute havoc on the pitches Bumrah got in SA. Theres absolutely no contest in Test cricket, since Hasan is a proper conventional seamer.
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Lol.Dont get so worked up on facts.Waqar was a great bowler but failed in ICC events.Both Jadeja and Ishant are mediocre bowlers but performed well CT .So that invalidates your logic that Hasan >>> Bumrah just because He was great in CT 17.
And regarding Tests, all that matters is wickets, not t aesthetics.Steve Smith was not conventional when he started and look at where is he now.Like I said, wait for while and see their consitancy and then we can proclaim who is better.Currently Hassan is ahead in ODIs and Bumrah in Tests.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Sorry I don't think you will understand this ever. Bumrah can be a match winner but he isn't going to run through batting line ups 5 out of 10 matches. Hassan Ali is capable of that and can change the match within a span of 2 overs. As I said just like opposition teams fear Virat Kohli because he is an impact player, same is true with Hassan Ali. Bumrah is a good bowler but as an Indian fan I would want someone like Hassan Ali in my team.
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Obviously u are correct. I have not seen him taking 4 or 5 wicket hauls regularly(in odis) .
That's why hassan is better.
But he has won matches for us with his 3-45 or 2-45.
The aspect in which he is better than hassan ali or anyone in world cricket atm is his death bowling. Nowadays death bowling aspect is required in every bowlers as high run chases have become regular.

Even u will accept that Bumrah doesn't give runs easily.
Hassan ali is better but bumrah is a world class odi bowler.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Sorry I don't think you will understand this ever. Bumrah can be a match winner but he isn't going to run through batting line ups 5 out of 10 matches. Hassan Ali is capable of that and can change the match within a span of 2 overs. As I said just like opposition teams fear Virat Kohli because he is an impact player, same is true with Hassan Ali. Bumrah is a good bowler but as an Indian fan I would want someone like Hassan Ali in my team.
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Just check how he bowled against Kiwis in the recent series.Didnt run through anyone there and had an average of 36.16 from 4 matches.And Pakistan couldnt even win one match.Not exactly what you want from an impact player.
 
Dingolfy said:
Just check how he bowled against Kiwis in the recent series.Didnt run through anyone there and had an average of 36.16 from 4 matches.And Pakistan couldnt even win one match.Not exactly what you want from an impact player.
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He was injured. Nice of you to completely ignore everything else though.
 
Dingolfy said:
Just check how he bowled against Kiwis in the recent series.Didnt run through anyone there and had an average of 36.16 from 4 matches.And Pakistan couldnt even win one match.Not exactly what you want from an impact player.
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In that series he didn't do as well as he usually does. But he is a wicket taking bowler. He seldom goes wicketless.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Come back to this thread when Bumrah is MOT in an ICC tournament.

That guy takes wickets of mostly tail enders..hardly tortures the UO and MO batsmen.
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lol. kids are having field day. so if you are the MOT of ICC tournament, then you are automatically way better than any bowler?

I can tell you the same that come back to this thread when Hassan picks up 5 for in Test Match.
 
babajee said:
He was injured. Nice of you to completely ignore everything else though.
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I was talking about consistancy.Injuries are part and parcel of any sport and people have played and took wickets even with broken jaws.So that doesnt count as an excuse.
 
Hassan Ali has a bright future ahead of him. I would like to see him play county cricket so he can develop his game further with far better coaches he'll find with English counties as opposed to home. It's one of the reasons why players like Wasim Akram and Younis Khan were able to take that game up another level.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It's like comparing Virat Kohli (Hassan) with Babar Azam (Bumrah). Virat and Hassan are match winners, impact players with swag. Babar and Bumrah are team players they are not going to set the world on fire but good enough to complete the job with discipline.
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guy who is playing his second test and got about 60 odd ODI wickets, now you are equating him to Virat Kohli and Indina bowler with pretty much same stats is similar to Babar?

There is a huge gulf between Virat and Babar. Don't you know that? you are one of those who want to troll indian fans here. but this is little too much. either you are trolling or you are lacking cricket knowledge here.
 
See the whole point is that odis nowadays are not just won by breathtaking spells but also by death overs bowling. Bumrah doesn't often wreaks havoc but he is as consistent a death bowler as anyone in the world.
He needs to improve his wicket taking abilities.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Hasan DOMINATED an ICC tournament. Bumrah will never do that since hes a stock bowler to hold one end. Hasan and Bumrah might be a contest in LOI cricket, but Hasan will eventually blow Bumrah to outer space in Test cricket.
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LOL. Stock Bowler. Do you know what stock bowler is? Stock bowlers are the likes of Hasan Ali and not 90MPH capable bowlers like Bumrah.

The hype that you guys give you players after a few matches makes you the laughing stock when they fail. Like the "Greatest Talent" Mohammad Amir who avgs 32 in Tests.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
See the whole point is that odis nowadays are not just won by breathtaking spells but also by death overs bowling. Bumrah doesn't often wreaks havoc but he is as consistent a death bowler as anyone in the world.
He needs to improve his wicket taking abilities.
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Bumrah's SR is 29. Thats good enough. He has two world class spinners in Chahal and Yadav to take wickets. He isnt a one man show like Hasan Ali.
 
cricketjoshila said:
LOL. Stock Bowler. Do you know what stock bowler is? Stock bowlers are the likes of Hasan Ali and not 90MPH capable bowlers like Bumrah.

The hype that you guys give you players after a few matches makes you the laughing stock when they fail. Like the "Greatest Talent" Mohammad Amir who avgs 32 in Tests.
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Give up :)))
 
Dingolfy said:
Lol.Dont get so worked up on facts.Waqar was a great bowler but failed in ICC events.Both Jadeja and Ishant are mediocre bowlers but performed well CT .So that invalidates your logic that Hasan >>> Bumrah just because He was great in CT 17.
And regarding Tests, all that matters is wickets, not t aesthetics.Steve Smith was not conventional when he started and look at where is he now.Like I said, wait for while and see their consitancy and then we can proclaim who is better.Currently Hassan is ahead in ODIs and Bumrah in Tests.
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Its not about aesthetics, its about the skill-set. Bumrah suffers from lack of it, while Hasan has pretty much everything in his armoury right now. Its a given Hasan will leave Bumrah behind in Test cricket. In LOI cricket, Hasan is better right now yes. But due to Bumrah's economy rate he will be able to compete with Hasan.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It's like comparing Virat Kohli (Hassan) with Babar Azam (Bumrah). Virat and Hassan are match winners, impact players with swag. Babar and Bumrah are team players they are not going to set the world on fire but good enough to complete the job with discipline.
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Bumrah's stats are pretty near to Hassan Ali's and while Kohli is planets ahead of Babbar Azam.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
LOL. Stock Bowler. Do you know what stock bowler is? Stock bowlers are the likes of Hasan Ali and not 90MPH capable bowlers like Bumrah.

The hype that you guys give you players after a few matches makes you the laughing stock when they fail. Like the "Greatest Talent" Mohammad Amir who avgs 32 in Tests.
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:)) Bumrah has become a good Test bowler on the basis of one Test series against South Africa, on spicy wickets. Hasan will wreak havoc on them. And you accuse us of hyping players :))
 
Usman Chadda said:
Its not about aesthetics, its about the skill-set. Bumrah suffers from lack of it, while Hasan has pretty much everything in his armoury right now. Its a given Hasan will leave Bumrah behind in Test cricket. In LOI cricket, Hasan is better right now yes. But due to Bumrah's economy rate he will be able to compete with Hasan.
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How do you know Bumrah doesnt have the skill set and Hasan Ali has? LOL at the bias.
 
babajee said:
“Catching up” :)))
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Both of them had played 3 test matches and before today’s match Hasan’s test performances weren’t top notch so yes he performed well today and caught up, even went ahead now however it’s just 3 matches a piece so very early..
 
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Usman Chadda said:
:)) Bumrah has become a good Test bowler on the basis of one Test series against South Africa, on spicy wickets. Hasan will wreak havoc on them. And you accuse us of hyping players :))
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And Hasan Ali is a great test bowler on basis of a 4 wicket hall on a green pitch versus England?

What Hasan Ali will do in SA we will see when he goes there.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Bumrah's SR is 29. Thats good enough. He has two world class spinners in Chahal and Yadav to take wickets. He isnt a one man show like Hasan Ali.
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Yeah the presence of other wicket taking bowlers in our lineup is a good point to support bumrah not taking many fifers, but he doesn't look very threatening as a opening bowler. He doesn't give runs in his first spell but neither he consistently take wickets, that's what he lacks.
 
cricketjoshila said:
And Hasan Ali is a great test bowler on basis of a 4 wicket hall on a green pitch versus England?

What Hasan Ali will do in SA we will see when he goes there.
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Perhaps you should take a leaf out of bhaag viru bhaag. You don't need a decent sample size to see that Hassan Ali is the superior bowler and cricketer overall.
 
Personally I'm a bigger fan of Bhuvi than Bumrah.

I've never seen Bhuvneshwar Kumar lose his cool under pressure conditions.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Yeah the presence of other wicket taking bowlers in our lineup is a good point to support bumrah not taking many fifers, but he doesn't look very threatening as a opening bowler. He doesn't give runs in his first spell but neither he consistently take wickets, that's what he lacks.
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He takes wickets at the end overs. In the opening spell if you see, Bhuvi is the one who attacks as he is a swing bowler.
 
cricketjoshila said:
And Hasan Ali is a great test bowler on basis of a 4 wicket hall on a green pitch versus England?

What Hasan Ali will do in SA we will see when he goes there.
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Where did anyone say he is a great bowler?

:))) Love the fact you brought up green pitch, while championing Bumrah's test efforts so far as better than Hasan. I guess those SA pitches were quite good for batting yes?
 
cricketjoshila said:
He takes wickets at the end overs. In the opening spell if you see, Bhuvi is the one who attacks as he is a swing bowler.
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Both share the opening bowling responsibility and so both should be good at it. Secodly, bhuvi nowadays is trash in odis.
We need some young bowler to step up.
We really have an exciting lot of upcoming pacers. We need to invest in them.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How do you know Bumrah doesnt have the skill set and Hasan Ali has? LOL at the bias.
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I guess you haven't watched either bowl much. Hasan has a better skill set as compared to Bumrah, specially for Test cricket. The only bias here is yours, parroting around defending a one trick pony.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Where did anyone say he is a great bowler?

:))) Love the fact you brought up green pitch, while championing Bumrah's test efforts so far as better than Hasan. I guess those SA pitches were quite good for batting yes?
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May be you missed the fact that you brought the Spicy Pitches argument. Just showed you what pitch Hasan Ali bowled on.
 
Hasan Ali is clearly the better bowler, even in test cricket. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being delusional.

But Bumrah is no slouch either. He will be end up being an Indian great.
 
Usman Chadda said:
I guess you haven't watched either bowl much. Hasan has a better skill set as compared to Bumrah, specially for Test cricket. The only bias here is yours, parroting around defending a one trick pony.
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What skill set?

Bumrah has more speed. He gets the ball to inswing and againist SA was getting it seam away or hold its line as well. He can reverse. Bowl yorkers and bouncers, which are more effective as he has more pace.
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
Yeah the presence of other wicket taking bowlers in our lineup is a good point to support bumrah not taking many fifers, but he doesn't look very threatening as a opening bowler. He doesn't give runs in his first spell but neither he consistently take wickets, that's what he lacks.
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You're trying to be unbiased, who you are arguing doesn't know how to do that.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Its not about aesthetics, its about the skill-set. Bumrah suffers from lack of it, while Hasan has pretty much everything in his armoury right now. Its a given Hasan will leave Bumrah behind in Test cricket. In LOI cricket, Hasan is better right now yes. But due to Bumrah's economy rate he will be able to compete with Hasan.
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What skill do you think Bumrah doesnt have in Tests ? He moved the bowl at good pace in SA and was consistantly hitting good lengths.I have not seen him reverse-swinging the ball but then he just started his test journey.He has the FC experience of bowling long spells.So that part is covered too.
 
Sidilicious said:
Hasan Ali is clearly the better bowler, even in test cricket. Anyone who thinks otherwise is being delusional.

But Bumrah is no slouch either. He will be end up being an Indian great.
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Did you read everything posted or just saw the thread title and posted your opinion. As per some of the Hasan fans, Hasan is way better than Bumrah. Hasan is like Virat and Bumrah is like Babar.
 
cricketjoshila said:
No i didnot. Bumrah has to share his wickets with two other wicket taking spinners. Hasan Ali is a pretty much a one man show.
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But that also means that Kuldeep and Chahal are easing the pressure off Bumrah, while Hasan has nobody else, is doing it all by himself.
 
Send1983 said:
guy who is playing his second test and got about 60 odd ODI wickets, now you are equating him to Virat Kohli and Indina bowler with pretty much same stats is similar to Babar?

There is a huge gulf between Virat and Babar. Don't you know that? you are one of those who want to troll indian fans here. but this is little too much. either you are trolling or you are lacking cricket knowledge here.
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Lol some of you are so sensitive and can't even take anything against India. I doubt whether some of you can even take criticism in your lives. You are so defensive and fake nationalists. Also Pyjama league fans should be the last one to question other's cricketing knowledge.

I just gave an example of comparing Babar with Kohli even then you got offended. There is no point explaining it to you popcorn cricket fans.

Bumrah is a beast of a bowler and hassan ali is nowhere near him. Are you happy now?
 
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