Jay Shah invites BCB, SLC, ACB but not PCB to attend the IPL final and then discuss Asia Cup

[light]

You should lobby the BCCI and write to star sports if you want to see this trophy.

Lording it up infront of Pakistanis isn't going to bring it back.

My argument was that without Pakistan, tournaments can still be successful and Niandas trophy was a prime example (it's irrelevant if I want to see more of it or not) and that's all you took away from my argument? I mean if you want to pretend, can't help you. You see what you want to see.

 

[light]

When you say no decent broadcaster, which broadcasters are you talking about?

I would say that any series or tournament involving Ind. will have multiple broadcasters fighting. Regardless of if they are playing Pak. or not.

Now if you are talking about $$$ bid for the tournament, then it would slightly less. But broadcasters will still line up. I would bet the same Disney, Sony, Reliance etc will be in the fray.

India can arrange a full series with Nepal and it will still be sold out. What are you talking about? There is a lot of money in Indian cricket - which can play as a double edge sword for world cricket depending on who is leading BCCI at that time - this is not the case with every board. Missing Pakistan in the tournament, sure broadcasters won't make that extra money they expect but having India in any tournament is $$$ irrespective of the opposition.

 

[cricketjoshila]

India can arrange a full series with Nepal and it will still be sold out. What are you talking about? There is a lot of money in Indian cricket - which can play as a double edge sword for world cricket depending on who is leading BCCI at that time - this is not the case with every board. Missing Pakistan in the tournament, sure broadcasters won't make that extra money they expect but having India in any tournament is $$$ irrespective of the opposition.

India can arrange a India A B C series with all the international stars and IPL stars playing and it will still make loads of money.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

IPL is T20 cricket and this Asia Cup is 50 over format.

T20 cricket starts at 7pm in the evening after sunset but ODIs need to start in afternoon 2PM.

Also, worth of IPL is million times more than Asia Cup. So kind of chalk and cheese comparison.

So there were no doubleheaders in IPL 2021 in UAE?

Venues

The matches will be held in Dubai, Sharjah, and Abu Dhabi. Dubai will host 13 games in IPL 2021, Sharjah 10, and Abu Dhabi 8. Seven doubleheaders will be staged, with the first game in each held at 3.30pm IST (10am GMT). Every evening game will commence at 7.30pm IST (2pm GMT).

https://wisden.com/stories/global-t...time-for-second-leg-uae-indian-premier-league


IPL is million times more than Asia Cup? May be that's why players didn't feel the heat when they played in IPL 2021?

 

[Kianig89]

Asia Cup should be renamed as Neverasia Cup competition is already without any identity and climax and addto it the fuss of hybrid models and yo yo behaviour from BCCI, just scrap it and donate the amount by providing egg laying hens to South Asian people, atleast some poverty will be reduced

 

[light]

So there were no doubleheaders in IPL 2021 in UAE?



https://wisden.com/stories/global-t...time-for-second-leg-uae-indian-premier-league


IPL is million times more than Asia Cup? May be that's why players didn't feel the heat when they played in IPL 2021?

I am not a fan of India pulling out the no-hybrid card, but it's not that hard to understand why all boards are against Asia Cup 50 over matches in UAE. IPL is each player's choice, the board just gives the NOC, and players do what they want during the IPL/PSL/BPL/Etc tournaments. But this is an international team that's going to go to UAE with their full-strength team right before the wc. Which team in their right mind wants to take a higher chance of injury due to heat - right before the WC? This isn't just BCCI, even BCB and SLC were complaining about it.

Also, how's the situation now in Pakistan? I have not followed the news but has it calmed down after the Imran khan fiasco?

 

[Ryw]

Are you still discussing Ind coming to Pak for Asia Cup?

Asia Cup is not gonna happen in Pak, BCCI have already decided it and lobbied it. If Pak is not coming to play then ready for hefty fines and some other concequences, when will you guys realize that you can not decide, there is a huge loan from IMF on you, you can’t demand things. Your govt have sold you out.Just accept what is being asked, this attitude is not going to help. Just listen what BCCI has said and play Asia Cup somewhere else

 

[Asif321]

Such a frustrating scene . India”s big ego gonna destroy all the cricket . Won’t be surprised when cricket will be played between 3-4 nations .

 

[Usman Chadda]

Are you still discussing Ind coming to Pak for Asia Cup?

Asia Cup is not gonna happen in Pak, BCCI have already decided it and lobbied it. If Pak is not coming to play then ready for hefty fines and some other concequences, when will you guys realize that you can not decide, there is a huge loan from IMF on you, you can’t demand things. Your govt have sold you out.Just accept what is being asked, this attitude is not going to help. Just listen what BCCI has said and play Asia Cup somewhere else

It’s pretty clear Pakistan is not going to accept, and will boycott the Asia Cup for certain.

Indian fans will go through an emotional melt down when Pakistan does pull out of the Asia Cup and hopefully refuses to participate in the World Cup.

 

[Mesozoic]

Indian fans will go through an emotional melt down when Pakistan does pull out of the Asia Cup and hopefully refuses to participate in the World Cup.

Not really.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Not really.

I think the prevalent thought process is how dare the PCB defy BCCI, when the whole cricketing world is bowing down to them

You can have a successful World Cup without Pakistan (specially in India), but the number two ranked ODI nation not part of the WC will leave a sour taste.

 

[Mesozoic]

I think the prevalent thought process is how dare the PCB defy BCCI, when the whole cricketing world is bowing down to them

You can have a successful World Cup without Pakistan (specially in India), but the number two ranked ODI nation not part of the WC will leave a sour taste.

PCB is only defying themselves by pulling out of these tournaments. They kept on complaining that BCCI was trying to isolate them , but here they are doing that to themselves. Classic example of cutting off one's nose to spite another's face.

And no-one's going to feel bad or sour about one's absence based on a volatile artificial ranking. As they say, world moves on and no one cares.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think the prevalent thought process is how dare the PCB defy BCCI, when the whole cricketing world is bowing down to them

You can have a successful World Cup without Pakistan (specially in India), but the number two ranked ODI nation not part of the WC will leave a sour taste.

4 times champion and holders of the European Cup, Italy didn't play the WC.

Don't give yourself so much importance.

 

[Shafi]

I think the prevalent thought process is how dare the PCB defy BCCI, when the whole cricketing world is bowing down to them

You can have a successful World Cup without Pakistan (specially in India), but the number two ranked ODI nation not part of the WC will leave a sour taste.

Ever since introduction of IPL, PSL, BBL, CPL. BPL, LPL.... cricket has lost its charm. So not a big loss cricket fans if we pulled out from World Cup. Its become money making business plus the rivalry looks so fake just like wrestling championships.

 

[Usman Chadda]

PCB is only defying themselves by pulling out of these tournaments. They kept on complaining that BCCI was trying to isolate them , but here they are doing that to themselves. Classic example of cutting off one's nose to spite another's face.

And no-one's going to feel bad or sour about one's absence based on a volatile artificial ranking. As they say, world moves on and no one cares.

We are fine getting isolated, it’s a dying sport anyway specially now that the associates will get shafted even more so than ever before.

Pakistan has had enough of u-turns, as you say we have meddled too much yet agreed to do whatever it takes to move forward. Maybe this time we will just sit tight and see what happens, for a change.

Or the PCB might just fold for the money.

 

[Usman Chadda]

4 times champion and holders of the European Cup, Italy didn't play the WC.

Don't give yourself so much importance.

Italy was not good enough to qualify for the WC, while Pakistan is the second ranked ODI team in the world right now and is one of the contenders to win the whole thing specially due to the tournament being played in familiar conditions.

Big difference, but someone with severe comprehension issues as yourself will not understand ofcourse.

 

[MenInG]

Let's stick to cricket please.

 

[RyanRyan10]

PCB won't boycott anything. They will make another U turn in a week. Surprised that Najam Sethi is behaving this way.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Italy was not good enough to qualify for the WC, while Pakistan is the second ranked ODI team in the world right now and is one of the contenders to win the whole thing specially due to the tournament being played in familiar conditions.

Big difference, but someone with severe comprehension issues as yourself will not understand ofcourse.

Italy are European champions. 4 time WC champs. A top 10 team most of the times. They didn't play the WC and it didn't matter.

Pakistan beating B or C teams and getting rankings isn't going to matter much.

World Cup will be played in India and a champion will be crowned. Pakistan not playing will not matter.

You can keep playing your comprehension games while the rest play the WC.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Italy are European champions. 4 time WC champs. A top 10 team most of the times. They didn't play the WC and it didn't matter.

Pakistan beating B or C teams and getting rankings isn't going to matter much.

World Cup will be played in India and a champion will be crowned. Pakistan not playing will not matter.

You can keep playing your comprehension games while the rest play the WC.

Also to be noted that Pakistan has entered semifinals only once in the last 5 editions. That's an extremely mediocre record.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I was a lurker here when it was said that IPL would be dead without Pakistan. The rest is history.

And yes BJP and BCCI do enjoy popular support in respect to their Pakistan policy.

There is difference between IPL and Asia cup.. so that comparison is out of line..Broadcasters who bid for Asia cup pay top $ for indo Pak matches.. as far i know 80% of current bid from star sports have guaranteed 2 indo Pak matches.. if they dnt happen , Star wont pay for it.. so thats a big loss.. BCCI can make it up sure.. but how many times? You can host as many tournaments and call it whatever.. Nidahas or Asia cup.. wont make same amount of money with Pakistan in it. And to be fair , Pakistan not playing asia cup does nt hurt Pcb too much financially as Najam sethi said 3 million $... as far popular support enjoyed by BJP or BCCI , there is fallacy in that support.. Blood of Indian Jawans and Janta lost at hands of so called terrorists boils when India plays Pakistan bilaterally but it cools down at sight of tournament match which are being unprecedentedly scheduled in every tournament.. no other team tournament has same fixture every time its played ..we like to call it hypocrisy

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Also to be noted that Pakistan has entered semifinals only once in the last 5 editions. That's an extremely mediocre record.

What about t20 world cup? Out of 8 editions , Pakistan has played 6 knockouts.. that mediocre too?

 

[rpant_gabba]

There is difference between IPL and Asia cup.. so that comparison is out of line..Broadcasters who bid for Asia cup pay top $ for indo Pak matches.. as far i know 80% of current bid from star sports have guaranteed 2 indo Pak matches.. if they dnt happen , Star wont pay for it.. so thats a big loss.. BCCI can make it up sure.. but how many times? You can host as many tournaments and call it whatever.. Nidahas or Asia cup.. wont make same amount of money with Pakistan in it. And to be fair , Pakistan not playing asia cup does nt hurt Pcb too much financially as Najam sethi said 3 million $... as far popular support enjoyed by BJP or BCCI , there is fallacy in that support.. Blood of Indian Jawans and Janta lost at hands of so called terrorists boils when India plays Pakistan bilaterally but it cools down at sight of tournament match which are being unprecedentedly scheduled in every tournament.. no other team tournament has same fixture every time its played ..we like to call it hypocrisy

Bottom line question is, who can ICC live without? BCCI or PCB?

“Doubt can only be removed by action.”

Hope we get a clear answer soon.

 

[U$ofA]

Bottom line question is, who can ICC live without? BCCI or PCB?

“Doubt can only be removed by action.”

Hope we get a clear answer soon.

What an apt word for this situation. So far it has been all talk, no action. Can we have some action and no talk.

 

[rpant_gabba]

What an apt word for this situation. So far it has been all talk, no action. Can we have some action and no talk.

Only from one party. Has there been interview of BCCI head with Pakistani youtubers?

 

[msb314]

I was a lurker here when it was said that IPL would be dead without Pakistan. The rest is history.

And yes BJP and BCCI do enjoy popular support in respect to their Pakistan policy.

If that is the case - why does every India v Pak game get sold out at the Asia Cup and ICC events? Also why do journalists / media go into overdrive before and after India v Pak games?

 

[rpant_gabba]

If that is the case - why does every India v Pak game get sold out at the Asia Cup and ICC events? Also why do journalists / media go into overdrive before and after India v Pak games?

The counter to that is that you don't see anyone worrying about lack of bilaterals with Pakistan. It seems its more of a great if it's there. no big deal if its not.

 

[Ryw]

There is difference between IPL and Asia cup.. so that comparison is out of line..Broadcasters who bid for Asia cup pay top $ for indo Pak matches.. as far i know 80% of current bid from star sports have guaranteed 2 indo Pak matches.. if they dnt happen , Star wont pay for it.. so thats a big loss.. BCCI can make it up sure.. but how many times? You can host as many tournaments and call it whatever.. Nidahas or Asia cup.. wont make same amount of money with Pakistan in it. And to be fair , Pakistan not playing asia cup does nt hurt Pcb too much financially as Najam sethi said 3 million $... as far popular support enjoyed by BJP or BCCI , there is fallacy in that support.. Blood of Indian Jawans and Janta lost at hands of so called terrorists boils when India plays Pakistan bilaterally but it cools down at sight of tournament match which are being unprecedentedly scheduled in every tournament.. no other team tournament has same fixture every time its played ..we like to call it hypocrisy

If others boards are willing to get every little opportunity to BCCI give them then howcome Pak cricket board dare to say No, they refused to Srilankan cricket board also recently. What kind of attitude and planning is this?
And Dont involve Blood of Indian Jawans and Janta in this argument, thats a very sensitive topic. You guys must listen to Jay Shah, when he speaks everybody listens
Ind is not coming to Pak, Asia Cup can survive without Pak and you guys have to come to Ind for WC otherwise face hefty fines and consequences

 

[Shafi]

Sound like India is becoming a rich country. Why not return back to India where they have more future than poor country like Aus/NZ/Eng/USA....

 

[Shafi]

If others boards are willing to get every little opportunity to BCCI give them then howcome Pak cricket board dare to say No, they refused to Srilankan cricket board also recently. What kind of attitude and planning is this?
And Dont involve Blood of Indian Jawans and Janta in this argument, thats a very sensitive topic. You guys must listen to Jay Shah, when he speaks everybody listens
Ind is not coming to Pak, Asia Cup can survive without Pak and you guys have to come to Ind for WC otherwise face hefty fines and consequences

Bro, why you hide your identity with Pakistan flag? You will sound more genuine by using your own country flag and blame PCB or Pakistan cricket.

 

[Shafi]

Bottom line question is, who can ICC live without? BCCI or PCB?

“Doubt can only be removed by action.”

Hope we get a clear answer soon.

If you talk money wise BCCI don't even need ICC or other World teams. Their IPL can make more money than ICC tournaments. But if you talk about sports than different story.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Also to be noted that Pakistan has entered semifinals only once in the last 5 editions. That's an extremely mediocre record.

Pakistan actually has an ODI trophy in the last ten years, while India doesn’t.

You seem quite proud of reaching knockouts and getting mauled in them

 

[MenInG]

According to a report, India wants to deny Pakistan the opportunity to host the 2025 ICC Champions Trophy and the 2023 ACC Asia Cup.

It will be 'difficult' for the Indian squad to go to Pakistan for the Asia Cup and the Champions Trophy in 2025, according to Indian sources.

According to Indian media, a senior member of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) said: 'We will now try to shift the hosting of the Champions Trophy outside Pakistan. The hosting of the Asia Cup is out of Pakistan's hands.'

The announcement follows the International Cricket Council's (ICC) delegation's 'satisfaction' with Pakistan's capacity to host the ICC Champions Trophy in 2025.

Additionally, the ICC delegation made suggestions during its visit that it would mediate the continuing dispute over the location of the Asia Cup, which was supposed to be held in Pakistan, between the PCB and the BCCI.

The group traveled to Lahore to speak with the PCB about the Pakistani team's participation in the October–November ICC Cricket World Cup.

The ICC requests that PCB refrain from insisting that a hybrid model be used for their World Cup matches.

Najam Sethi, the head of the PCB, had said that if the Indian cricket team did not come to Pakistan for the Asia Cup, the Pakistan cricket team would not go there.

It should be recalled that in October of last year, Pakistani cricket officials made a suggestion that they might not send a team to the 2023 Asia Cup in Pakistan and intimated they might not send a team to the World Cup in India the following year.

Shah had previously stated that India 'can't' send a team to Pakistan and that the competition would be shifted to an other location.

Pakistani officials warned that his declaration could 'split' the world cricket community after it caught them off guard.

Two hybrid models were then proposed by the PCB to accommodate India. The PCB's proposed hybrid model for the Asia Cup raised worries from the BCCI, who feared that if it were approved, the PCB might ask the ICC to use the same model for the ICC World Cup.

According to Sethi, the PCB would ask the ICC to hold the matches at a neutral location if the Pakistani government refused to sanction the team's visit to India.

A situation like this would be a major loss for both the ICC and the BCCI because an India-Pakistan match played in India draws a sold-out stadium and is profitable for both the Indian board and the ICC.

The main reason BCCI Secretary Jay Shah was reluctant to adopt the hybrid concept for the Asia Cup was that staging the event in any other nation would not draw a sizable crowd.

The PCB president added that the Pakistani squad will not compete if the Asia Cup were moved from Pakistan to a neutral nation.

According to sources, the BCCI is still reluctant to implement the hybrid model despite the Asian Cricket Council's (ACC) support, which could lead to Pakistan losing the Asia Cup.

https://www.bolnews.com/2023/06/03/...-to-host-2025-icc-champions-trophy/index.html

 

[Usman Chadda]

Bottom line question is, who can ICC live without? BCCI or PCB?

“Doubt can only be removed by action.”

Hope we get a clear answer soon.

The answer is quite clear in that case, and most of us are alright with it.

Pakistan will get isolated no matter what they do. Some of us don’t believe Pakistan should play in India at all, not much cricket left if PCB does have the guts to take that stance.

 

[Shafi]

The answer is quite clear in that case, and most of us are alright with it.

Pakistan will get isolated no matter what they do. Some of us don’t believe Pakistan should play in India at all, not much cricket left if PCB does have the guts to take that stance.

Exactly!!! Most Indian fans are pretending its PCB's fault. But actually if they reflect (I doubt it) they can see who is wrong. Deep inside they are ok of Pakistan team to be finished forever.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If that is the case - why does every India v Pak game get sold out at the Asia Cup and ICC events? Also why do journalists / media go into overdrive before and after India v Pak games?

Every India match at ICC event is sold out. Even India vs Zimbabwe.

Indians go to watch their team, wherever they play and that's why BCCI is the financial powerhouse of cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly!!! Most Indian fans are pretending its PCB's fault. But actually if they reflect (I doubt it) they can see who is wrong. Deep inside they are ok of Pakistan team to be finished forever.

The 1990 Asia cup was played in India, without Pakistan. BCCI didn't try any hybrid or whatever breed model.

Why is PCB not trying to convince other boards to play in Pakistan without India?

Whatever chances of any compromise, vanished once PCB started threatening BCCI with a 2023 WC boycott. BCCI will never allow itself to be arm twisted by PCB.

If Pakistan boycotts the WC in India or tries to move matches out of India, that effort will likely fail. But it may force BCCI to do whatever is possible to shift the CT out of Pakistan.

 

[Shafi]

The 1990 Asia cup was played in India, without Pakistan. BCCI didn't try any hybrid or whatever breed model.

Why is PCB not trying to convince other boards to play in Pakistan without India?

Whatever chances of any compromise, vanished once PCB started threatening BCCI with a 2023 WC boycott. BCCI will never allow itself to be arm twisted by PCB.

If Pakistan boycotts the WC in India or tries to move matches out of India, that effort will likely fail. But it may force BCCI to do whatever is possible to shift the CT out of Pakistan.

If you open your eyes and concentrate you will see India is openly doing this to destroy our cricket. If they bought all members from ACC and trying to convince them not to go Pakistan then you can clearly see their motive. Come on you are smarter than that to understand. Cricket will be there with or without any of Pak/Aus/Eng team. But to destroy your opposition in sports is unethical. Army is there to fight not the players. Sports brings friendship not fighting.

 

[MenInG]

Stick to BCCI/PCB/Cricket please.

 

[U$ofA]

If you open your eyes and concentrate you will see India is openly doing this to destroy our cricket. If they bought all members from ACC and trying to convince them not to go Pakistan then you can clearly see their motive. Come on you are smarter than that to understand. Cricket will be there with or without any of Pak/Aus/Eng team. But to destroy your opposition in sports is unethical. Army is there to fight not the players. Sports brings friendship not fighting.

If the other members are so corrupt and selfish, why are they not held accountable? Perhaps their actions need scrutiny and discussion. There are no threads on them.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If others boards are willing to get every little opportunity to BCCI give them then howcome Pak cricket board dare to say No, they refused to Srilankan cricket board also recently. What kind of attitude and planning is this?
And Dont involve Blood of Indian Jawans and Janta in this argument, thats a very sensitive topic. You guys must listen to Jay Shah, when he speaks everybody listens
Ind is not coming to Pak, Asia Cup can survive without Pak and you guys have to come to Ind for WC otherwise face hefty fines and consequences

Watch the following video and read the bolded part again. You will start laughing.

 

[Shafi]

If the other members are so corrupt and selfish, why are they not held accountable? Perhaps their actions need scrutiny and discussion. There are no threads on them.

Money talks!!!! Some people sees it as corruption some people sees it smart way to progress. If PCB is poor you would change your tune. Most people side up with People with power & money only few stays with principle. I am not saying PCB is righteous but in this case they are right. i.e if you and 2 of your friends are out and those 2 are whispering each other ahead of you don't think you will like that. BCCI is dong same thing. If you like 2 of your friend whispering to each other and you cannot hear than I have nothing to say.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you open your eyes and concentrate you will see India is openly doing this to destroy our cricket. If they bought all members from ACC and trying to convince them not to go Pakistan then you can clearly see their motive. Come on you are smarter than that to understand. Cricket will be there with or without any of Pak/Aus/Eng team. But to destroy your opposition in sports is unethical. Army is there to fight not the players. Sports brings friendship not fighting.

BCCI only said it wants the Asia Cup at a neutral venue. Just like the last two Asia Cups.

PCB retaliated by threats. PCB thought they could arm twist BCCI. Ofcourse it failed.

Then came the treacherous offer of Hybrid model so that PCB could demand similar arrangements for years to come. Did they think BCCI was foolish?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Every India match at ICC event is sold out. Even India vs Zimbabwe.

Indians go to watch their team, wherever they play and that's why BCCI is the financial powerhouse of cricket.

Yeah India vs Zimbabwe gets the same hype from media and fans also.

 

[Shafi]

BCCI only said it wants the Asia Cup at a neutral venue. Just like the last two Asia Cups.

PCB retaliated by threats. PCB thought they could arm twist BCCI. Ofcourse it failed.

Then came the treacherous offer of Hybrid model so that PCB could demand similar arrangements for years to come. Did they think BCCI was foolish?

So will they come to 2025 CT in Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So will they come to 2025 CT in Pakistan?

No one knows.

India Pakistan politics is a fluid thing plus its a ICC event.

 

[Shafi]

No one knows.

India Pakistan politics is a fluid thing plus its a ICC event.

BCCI does know and they already trying to shift the event from Pakistan, its a known truth and its came from India itself. So BCCI acting 2 face.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

BCCI only said it wants the Asia Cup at a neutral venue. Just like the last two Asia Cups.

PCB retaliated by threats. PCB thought they could arm twist BCCI. Ofcourse it failed.

Then came the treacherous offer of Hybrid model so that PCB could demand similar arrangements for years to come. Did they think BCCI was foolish?

PCB is nt foolish either. Just like BCCI which is predicting the consequences of implementing hybrid model , PCB is foreseeing BCCI drama when it comes to CT 2025.. in case Pakistan admits to play neutral venue for Asia cup just because of BCCI , similar thing will be demanded by BCCI in 2025 CT which pcb wants to avoid.. they have every right to secure its interests just like BCCI..PCB will have no problem playing asia cup at neutral and cwc in India as long icc assures Pakistan that ct 2025 wont be moved out of Pakistan regardless of what bcci demands.. not sure why you think Pcb fighting for its well deserved rights is wrong

 

[Ryw]

PCB is nt foolish either. Just like BCCI which is predicting the consequences of implementing hybrid model , PCB is foreseeing BCCI drama when it comes to CT 2025.. in case Pakistan admits to play neutral venue for Asia cup just because of BCCI , similar thing will be demanded by BCCI in 2025 CT which pcb wants to avoid.. they have every right to secure its interests just like BCCI..PCB will have no problem playing asia cup at neutral and cwc in India as long icc assures Pakistan that ct 2025 wont be moved out of Pakistan regardless of what bcci demands.. not sure why you think Pcb fighting for its well deserved rights is wrong

Thats a very good post but there is one problem in it, ICC cannot assure Pakistan cricket board ct 2025 wont move out of Pak. If Ind govt orders otherwise Ind team will not travel to ct 2025 in Pak.

Infact nobody can assure this, everybody is aware of whats happening in Pak with Imran Khan.

Cricket has become Billions dollars industry and no one will risk Mega money making Event in a country where Establishment is kidnapping journalists and political workers for fun in Black Toyota Vego

 

[Rajdeep]

Hopefully no more Asia cup hosting rights in future to either boards - BCCI or PCB. Let this tournament be hosted by BD, SL and UAE by taking turns. Last year this time we were all discussing about the matches, will Kohli find his form back, will Pak continues its momentum after 152/0 etc etc. This year has been full drama and cricket is taking backseat which is a problem.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI does know and they already trying to shift the event from Pakistan, its a known truth and its came from India itself. So BCCI acting 2 face.

Is there a single statement from BCCI on this?

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB is nt foolish either. Just like BCCI which is predicting the consequences of implementing hybrid model , PCB is foreseeing BCCI drama when it comes to CT 2025.. in case Pakistan admits to play neutral venue for Asia cup just because of BCCI , similar thing will be demanded by BCCI in 2025 CT which pcb wants to avoid.. they have every right to secure its interests just like BCCI..PCB will have no problem playing asia cup at neutral and cwc in India as long icc assures Pakistan that ct 2025 wont be moved out of Pakistan regardless of what bcci demands.. not sure why you think Pcb fighting for its well deserved rights is wrong

If BCCI refuses to play the CT in Pakistan, what are the chances of the tournament going ahead in Pakistan?

Pakistan's threats will not change the situation. Rather it will make it worse.

Pakistan should have negotiated with other boards to hold the CT without India or any other suitable compromise. But PCB resorted to threats. Now BCCI will do everything in its power to show that pakistani threats have no affect.

Since 2009,

PCB has tried to sabotage the IPL.

Tried to move the 2011 WC out of India.

Sued India.

Ehsan Mani regularly giving statements against India and asking for the control of IPL being taken away from BCCI and given to ICC.

Now boycott threats.

And BCCI should not respond?

 

[Shafi]

Seems like nobody learns from History. God kneeled down all the bullies and humiliate them severely but looks like these people will never learn until the end.

 

[msb314]

Hopefully no more Asia cup hosting rights in future to either boards - BCCI or PCB. Let this tournament be hosted by BD, SL and UAE by taking turns. Last year this time we were all discussing about the matches, will Kohli find his form back, will Pak continues its momentum after 152/0 etc etc. This year has been full drama and cricket is taking backseat which is a problem.

This. Fully agree

 

[msb314]

4 times champion and holders of the European Cup, Italy didn't play the WC.

Don't give yourself so much importance.

That is different because Italy did NOT qualify for the 2018 and 2022 WC on sporting merit. Just like WI did NOT qualify for 2017 CT.

They did NOT pull out to due to political reasons

 

[msb314]

Thats a very good post but there is one problem in it, ICC cannot assure Pakistan cricket board ct 2025 wont move out of Pak. If Ind govt orders otherwise Ind team will not travel to ct 2025 in Pak.

Infact nobody can assure this, everybody is aware of whats happening in Pak with Imran Khan.

Cricket has become Billions dollars industry and no one will risk Mega money making Event in a country where Establishment is kidnapping journalists and political workers for fun in Black Toyota Vego

The “political situation” argument does not hold any longer given NZ just toured Pakistan several weeks ago without any fuss

 

[msb314]

BCCI only said it wants the Asia Cup at a neutral venue. Just like the last two Asia Cups.

PCB retaliated by threats. PCB thought they could arm twist BCCI. Ofcourse it failed.

Then came the treacherous offer of Hybrid model so that PCB could demand similar arrangements for years to come. Did they think BCCI was foolish?

I still do not understand what is the issue with a hybrid model.

So what if it is implemented at future Asia Cups / ICC events hosted by India or Pakistan? Let it happen - plus it is more propaganda for BJP that Pakistan players did not have to step foot in India.

Let ICC foot the bill - BCCI will still host a hugely profitable tournament right?

 

[cricketjoshila]

That is different because Italy did NOT qualify for the 2018 and 2022 WC on sporting merit. Just like WI did NOT qualify for 2017 CT.

They did NOT pull out to due to political reasons

I am only saying that if one team misses the world cup, it won't take away the sheen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The “political situation” argument does not hold any longer given NZ just toured Pakistan several weeks ago without any fuss

Wasn't Imran Khan arrested after the NZ tour was over?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

If BCCI refuses to play the CT in Pakistan, what are the chances of the tournament going ahead in Pakistan?

Pakistan's threats will not change the situation. Rather it will make it worse.

Pakistan should have negotiated with other boards to hold the CT without India or any other suitable compromise. But PCB resorted to threats. Now BCCI will do everything in its power to show that pakistani threats have no affect.

Since 2009,

PCB has tried to sabotage the IPL.

Tried to move the 2011 WC out of India.

Sued India.

Ehsan Mani regularly giving statements against India and asking for the control of IPL being taken away from BCCI and given to ICC.

Now boycott threats.

And BCCI should not respond?

Boycott threats came because of BCCI refusing to travel to India. So there is a beginning to this conflict and that was BCCI not Pakistan. If BCCI never wanted to play in Pakistan, they should nt have given hosting rights of Asia cup in first place.. or it should have been made clear at time of awarding that you can host it at neutral.. take it or leave it.. why bullying now? Same thing with CT 2025... yes what are the chances of Ct 2025 going ahead without India? Almost zero.. so BCCI is trying to destroy PCB for no good reasons.. atleast reasons you are giving are hollow.. pcb could never sabotage ipl or cwc 2011.. infact pcb even visited India for t20 wc in 2016 and series in 2012...

Question is where does it stop? Pakistan has one tournament given to it in 3 decades and bcci cannot even digest that.. and Pakistan has no tournament in next 10 as well.. seems to me people with small hearts.. cant digest minor success of cricket in Pakistan hence the sabtoage efforts and to top that you want pcb to just bow down to whatever tantrums BCCI throws at them

 

[cricketjoshila]

I still do not understand what is the issue with a hybrid model.

So what if it is implemented at future Asia Cups / ICC events hosted by India or Pakistan? Let it happen - plus it is more propaganda for BJP that Pakistan players did not have to step foot in India.

Let ICC foot the bill - BCCI will still host a hugely profitable tournament right?

No one wants to set such a precedent.

Let me give one example.

2018 Asia Cup was scheduled in India. The GoI was clear that pakistanis won't be given visas.

Idea was floated

1. To hold Pakistan matches in BD.

2. Hold Asia Cup without Pakistan.

BCCI could have coerced the other boards to comply. It didn't. It shifted the Cup to UAE. Because that was the pragmatic thing to do.

Mr Najam Sethi claimed that PCB forced BCCI to do so, saying Pakistan's refusal to play in India forced BCCI. BCCI isn't going to give the PCB any more such opportunities.

So if BCCI can shift the Asia Cup. So can Pakistan.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

No one wants to set such a precedent.

Let me give one example.

2018 Asia Cup was scheduled in India. The GoI was clear that pakistanis won't be given visas.

Idea was floated

1. To hold Pakistan matches in BD.

2. Hold Asia Cup without Pakistan.

BCCI could have coerced the other boards to comply. It didn't. It shifted the Cup to UAE. Because that was the pragmatic thing to do.

Mr Najam Sethi claimed that PCB forced BCCI to do so, saying Pakistan's refusal to play in India forced BCCI. BCCI isn't going to give the PCB any more such opportunities.

So if BCCI can shift the Asia Cup. So can Pakistan.

i can say for sure that you keep changing your stance on this forum. for last few months in this on going issue , you have been maintaining the narrative that BCCI has problems with hybrid model because of logistical costs..PCB gave viable solution to that and now problem has changed to so called PRECEDENT...let me tell you what the problem is..it is not logistics neither PRECEDENT.. problem is that Indians like you cannot digest the fact the PCB is nt easily bowing down to unjust demands of BCCI...and you keep coming up with new justifications for bullying

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Thats a very good post but there is one problem in it, ICC cannot assure Pakistan cricket board ct 2025 wont move out of Pak. If Ind govt orders otherwise Ind team will not travel to ct 2025 in Pak.

Infact nobody can assure this, everybody is aware of whats happening in Pak with Imran Khan.

Cricket has become Billions dollars industry and no one will risk Mega money making Event in a country where Establishment is kidnapping journalists and political workers for fun in Black Toyota Vego

Political situation is irrelevant ...establishment has been operating with same ways since 1960..and it will settle down after fresh elections in october.. ICC chairman came to seek assurance of Pakistan Participation. so Pakistan is rightly seeking same assurance for CT 2025.. some people just want PCB to stay quite on bullying , do nothing and simply bow down to unreasonable demands..its baffling

 

[rpant_gabba]

If you open your eyes and concentrate you will see India is openly doing this to destroy our cricket. If they bought all members from ACC and trying to convince them not to go Pakistan then you can clearly see their motive. Come on you are smarter than that to understand. Cricket will be there with or without any of Pak/Aus/Eng team. But to destroy your opposition in sports is unethical. Army is there to fight not the players. Sports brings friendship not fighting.

This message is a bit confusing.

He didn't mention army.

Answer the question: India played 1990 Asia cup w/o Pakistan. Why can't Pakistan should do the same?

You are right and he is right. BCCI is replicating some of PCB's past actions. Unfortunate for PCB that BCCI is for powerful.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Boycott threats came because of BCCI refusing to travel to India. So there is a beginning to this conflict and that was BCCI not Pakistan. If BCCI never wanted to play in Pakistan, they should nt have given hosting rights of Asia cup in first place.. or it should have been made clear at time of awarding that you can host it at neutral.. take it or leave it.. why bullying now? Same thing with CT 2025... yes what are the chances of Ct 2025 going ahead without India? Almost zero.. so BCCI is trying to destroy PCB for no good reasons.. atleast reasons you are giving are hollow.. pcb could never sabotage ipl or cwc 2011.. infact pcb even visited India for t20 wc in 2016 and series in 2012...

Question is where does it stop? Pakistan has one tournament given to it in 3 decades and bcci cannot even digest that.. and Pakistan has no tournament in next 10 as well.. seems to me people with small hearts.. cant digest minor success of cricket in Pakistan hence the sabtoage efforts and to top that you want pcb to just bow down to whatever tantrums BCCI throws at them

Before i answer the rest of the post,

Please look up how after the Mumbai attacks, Pakistan tried to portray India as unsafe and withdrew pakistani players.

PCB tried to get the world cup shifted out of India in 2011. When ICC refused to entertain them, PCB threatened legal action to stall the WC. PCB took $10.5mn to let go off legal cases.

Ehsan Mani is on record saying ICC should run IPL and not BCCI and if he was ICC chief he would do it.

Pakistan should host the CT 2025, with or without India.It must convince the ICC and other members. Offer compensation if India doesn't participate.

The same should be applied to BCCI for their events.

 

[cricketjoshila]

i can say for sure that you keep changing your stance on this forum. for last few months in this on going issue , you have been maintaining the narrative that BCCI has problems with hybrid model because of logistical costs..PCB gave viable solution to that and now problem has changed to so called PRECEDENT...let me tell you what the problem is..it is not logistics neither PRECEDENT.. problem is that Indians like you cannot digest the fact the PCB is nt easily bowing down to unjust demands of BCCI...and you keep coming up with new justifications for bullying

The precedent of holding matches by hybrid models will set a pattern for other boards to demand the same. That will be a logistical nightmare.

How will India be affected if PCB doesn't participate in the Asia cup or ICC events in India?

 

[rpant_gabba]

PCB is nt foolish either. Just like BCCI which is predicting the consequences of implementing hybrid model , PCB is foreseeing BCCI drama when it comes to CT 2025.. in case Pakistan admits to play neutral venue for Asia cup just because of BCCI , similar thing will be demanded by BCCI in 2025 CT which pcb wants to avoid.. they have every right to secure its interests just like BCCI..PCB will have no problem playing asia cup at neutral and cwc in India as long icc assures Pakistan that ct 2025 wont be moved out of Pakistan regardless of what bcci demands.. not sure why you think Pcb fighting for its well deserved rights is wrong

In other words PCB is afraid that BCCI will do to them what PCB has been doing to BCCI as far back as 1990?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Political situation is irrelevant ...establishment has been operating with same ways since 1960..and it will settle down after fresh elections in october.. ICC chairman came to seek assurance of Pakistan Participation. so Pakistan is rightly seeking same assurance for CT 2025.. some people just want PCB to stay quite on bullying , do nothing and simply bow down to unreasonable demands..its baffling

PCB should demand hosting the CT. With or without India. Its for ICC to decide what they do.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Hopefully no more Asia cup hosting rights in future to either boards - BCCI or PCB. Let this tournament be hosted by BD, SL and UAE by taking turns. Last year this time we were all discussing about the matches, will Kohli find his form back, will Pak continues its momentum after 152/0 etc etc. This year has been full drama and cricket is taking backseat which is a problem.

Why? let PCB host Asia cup w/o India just like BCCI hosted Asia cup without Pakistan. whats wrong with that?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

My argument was that without Pakistan, tournaments can still be successful and Niandas trophy was a prime example (it's irrelevant if I want to see more of it or not) and that's all you took away from my argument? I mean if you want to pretend, can't help you. You see what you want to see.

Bro you are making 100s of posts about some tinpot trophy that you cant even remember the name of.

How big a trophy was this nandos peri peri cup really if you can't even recall its name?

 

[Ryw]

Political situation is irrelevant ...establishment has been operating with same ways since 1960..and it will settle down after fresh elections in october.. ICC chairman came to seek assurance of Pakistan Participation. so Pakistan is rightly seeking same assurance for CT 2025.. some people just want PCB to stay quite on bullying , do nothing and simply bow down to unreasonable demands..its baffling

ICC chairman came to warn that dont pull out a last minute stunt withdrawing fron WC, there will be hefty fines, concequences and maybe sanctions because who will bear the loss of billion dollars with those kinds of stupid stunts.

They went back home without giving any update regarding the matter and giving rutin statement "Everything is fine, PCB is going in right direction etc" but indirectly Sethi has been warned

Jay Shah will do whatever he wants,all Pak fans who are chest thumping about withdrawing from WC or Asia Cup etc will be surprised when Asia Cup will be moved and Pak team gonna travel to Ind for WC

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

ICC chairman came to warn that dont pull out a last minute stunt withdrawing fron WC, there will be hefty fines, concequences and maybe sanctions because who will bear the loss of billion dollars with those kinds of stupid stunts.

They went back home without giving any update regarding the matter and giving rutin statement "Everything is fine, PCB is going in right direction etc" but indirectly Sethi has been warned

Jay Shah will do whatever he wants,all Pak fans who are chest thumping about withdrawing from WC or Asia Cup etc will be surprised when Asia Cup will be moved and Pak team gonna travel to Ind for WC

so we keep hearing PCB pulling out does nt effect india or tournament but at same time whats up with threats of consequences ? Get yout facts right..wc is nt worth billions of $ so how can it have that amount of loss? Teams can refuse to travel citing government clearance without inviting any fines from ICC.. its in their MPA...forget about sanctions..there will be none

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Before i answer the rest of the post,

Please look up how after the Mumbai attacks, Pakistan tried to portray India as unsafe and withdrew pakistani players.

PCB tried to get the world cup shifted out of India in 2011. When ICC refused to entertain them, PCB threatened legal action to stall the WC. PCB took $10.5mn to let go off legal cases.

Ehsan Mani is on record saying ICC should run IPL and not BCCI and if he was ICC chief he would do it.

Pakistan should host the CT 2025, with or without India.It must convince the ICC and other members. Offer compensation if India doesn't participate.

The same should be applied to BCCI for their events.

some board official giving a statement about what he would do if he were in a certain position does nt warrant a fully loaded hostile response..statements keep coming from BCCI..most recently it was reported in Indian media that BCCI official said they will demand icc to shift ct 2025 from Pakistan..back in 2019 after pulwama , some Indian officials wanted to Ban Pakistan from icc by threatening to pull out India. these statements hold no value..Pakistan only got part of hosting fee from cwc 2011 which pcb was also supposed to host. and as far IPL , thats a domestic tournament. how can pcb sabotage that? statements mean nothing...BCCI snubbed Pakistan players from IPL...these things happening decade back is still hurting bcci? what a big bloated ego it has..2014 cases were also triggered by India refusing to honour MOU which BCCI signed in return for supporting big 3 financial model..you remember everything pcb did but conveniently forgetting why pcb did those things

 

[cricketjoshila]

so we keep hearing PCB pulling out does nt effect india or tournament but at same time whats up with threats of consequences ? Get yout facts right..wc is nt worth billions of $ so how can it have that amount of loss? Teams can refuse to travel citing government clearance without inviting any fines from ICC.. its in their MPA...forget about sanctions..there will be none

Not sanctions but financial loss for any board that doesn't participate is guaranteed. They won't get the ICC revenue share for non participation.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

PCB have these options :

1. Host Asia Cup and CT 2025 without INDIA.

2. Get both these tournaments moved out of Pak
and retain hosting rights.

3. Boycott both these events.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Hopefully no more Asia cup hosting rights in future to either boards - BCCI or PCB. Let this tournament be hosted by BD, SL and UAE by taking turns. Last year this time we were all discussing about the matches, will Kohli find his form back, will Pak continues its momentum after 152/0 etc etc. This year has been full drama and cricket is taking backseat which is a problem.

This is actually a pretty good idea but knowing BCCI they will never agree to it.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Host Asia Cup in neutral venue.

World Cup in India with or without Pakistan.

Champions Trophy in Pakistan with or without India.

You can make 15 page threads on this topic but no one will have consensus.

But will above happen?

No.

Asia cup - likely to be scrapped

WC. Pakistan will send their team.

CT 2025 - Event moved out of Pakistan because loss of India is too big for ICC to digest.

 

[rpant_gabba]

some board official giving a statement about what he would do if he were in a certain position does nt warrant a fully loaded hostile response..statements keep coming from BCCI..most recently it was reported in Indian media that BCCI official said they will demand icc to shift ct 2025 from Pakistan..back in 2019 after pulwama , some Indian officials wanted to Ban Pakistan from icc by threatening to pull out India. these statements hold no value..Pakistan only got part of hosting fee from cwc 2011 which pcb was also supposed to host. and as far IPL , thats a domestic tournament. how can pcb sabotage that? statements mean nothing...BCCI snubbed Pakistan players from IPL...these things happening decade back is still hurting bcci? what a big bloated ego it has..2014 cases were also triggered by India refusing to honour MOU which BCCI signed in return for supporting big 3 financial model..you remember everything pcb did but conveniently forgetting why pcb did those things

Care to show statements from BCCI?

 

[light]

Hopefully no more Asia cup hosting rights in future to either boards - BCCI or PCB. Let this tournament be hosted by BD, SL and UAE by taking turns. Last year this time we were all discussing about the matches, will Kohli find his form back, will Pak continues its momentum after 152/0 etc etc. This year has been full drama and cricket is taking backseat which is a problem.

100% agree with this. Both BCCI and PCB should not host any tournament involving both. Am so tired of these silly and petty back and forth. I just want to see cricket, these political nonsence one upping another will get us (the fans) no where

 

[rpant_gabba]

100% agree with this. Both BCCI and PCB should not host any tournament involving both. Am so tired of these silly and petty back and forth. I just want to see cricket, these political nonsence one upping another will get us (the fans) no where

So India should never host any ICC event?