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Joe Root is the most overrated Test cricketer in the world today by a country mile

This is just another innings that justifys my stance.

Still a long way for him to go to drop the tag.
 
Smudger said:
The series in which kohli scored every other batsman also scored. Rahul got 199 pujara got runs even nair got 300. From england root ,moeen,stokes also scored . Even in australia series where kohli scored runs every other batsman even tailender got runs . Truth be told kohli have never had truly astonishing series like smith where he scored 3 hundreds and all other batters scored 2 . If kohli wants tomatch smiths india performance then he has to score huge amount of runs in england or south africa on green wickets. Smith scored those runs overseas in conditions completely alien to him. Kohli looks like a legend when he is scoring against the sl attack. Even in this series when the ball was nipping around king kohli scored a duck and surrendered. Dont tell me about his 2nd inn century . When he came at the crease score was 191 for 2.
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That was just the last game, Kohli scored in every game where (nearly) everyone else failed ~ Rajkot second innings, Vizag both innings, Mohali first innings, Mumbai first innings & failed only at Chennai.

Almost always first innings & without any pressure, with lots of dropped catches & stuff.

He was more consistent than everyone else, more so in pressure situations & even playing with the lower order. You can't seriously think that the weight of his runs is equal to anyone else's in that series?

Sorry what, Smith has one good ton in India that's it, like I said his other tons were on good batting surfaces, batting first & when only Jadeja & Yadav were delivering.

That's patently false, every good aussie plays in IPL in similar conditions, so no in fact India has to adapt quickly considering we don;t even play tour games abroad!
 
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Needs 1 match changing innings in 2nd or 4th innings and he will not look back.
He looks in every single time against allcomers.
Butility it needs to happen soon
 
Behind Smith, Kohli and Kane in tests.

He is the AB de Villiers in tests. Good for support role except few occassions.

Even in odis where AB is atleast one of the top level player , Root scores consistent 50s but never shows the ability to turn the game on his own.

He is clearly a level or two behind Smith and Kohli all formats combined.
 
R0H1T said:
That was just the last game, Kohli scored in every game where (nearly) everyone else failed ~ Rajkot second innings, Vizag both innings, Mohali first innings, Mumbai first innings & failed only at Chennai.

Almost always first innings & without any pressure, with lots of dropped catches & stuff.

He was more consistent than everyone else, more so in pressure situations & even playing with the lower order. You can't seriously think that the weight of his runs is equal to anyone else's in that series?

Sorry what, Smith has one good ton in India that's it, like I said his other tons were on good batting surfaces, batting first & when only Jadeja & Yadav were delivering.

That's patently false, every good aussie plays in IPL in similar conditions, so no in fact India has to adapt quickly considering we don;t even play tour games abroad!
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Well there is a difference between ipl and test pitches. If only 1of smith's hundred was good then why all other players in the series got 2. Smith's was lone centurion in 1st and last test. And all of kohli innings you mentioned came in indian conditions. And yeah kohli played brilliantly to score 134 runs in England. Only problem was it took him 10 innings
 
Smudger said:
Well there is a difference between ipl and test pitches. If only 1of smith's hundred was good then why all other players in the series got 2. Smith's was lone centurion in 1st and last test. And all of kohli innings you mentioned came in indian conditions. And yeah kohli played brilliantly to score 134 runs in England. Only problem was it took him 10 innings
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Yet Rahul was the most consistent & best batter in the series, with almost zero chances given in his innings. His fifty in the first test at Pune, 2nd innings of the game, was high quality till he threw it away & it was chanceless IIRC. The second game first innings, the pitch was actually worse to bat on than day 2, his 90 odd was the best innings of that series, again chanceless & followed up by another 50 in the second innings.

So? Kohli scored 4 tons in Aus, twice in Adelaide & the 4th innings ton was probably the best 4th innings 100 in a loss since SRT in Chennai.
 
R0H1T said:
Yet Rahul was the most consistent & best batter in the series, with almost zero chances given in his innings. His fifty in the first test at Pune, 2nd innings of the game, was high quality till he threw it away & it was chanceless IIRC. The second game first innings, the pitch was actually worse to bat on than day 2, his 90 odd was the best innings of that series, again chanceless & followed up by another 50 in the second innings.

So? Kohli scored 4 tons in Aus, twice in Adelaide & the 4th innings ton was probably the best 4th innings 100 in a loss since SRT in Chennai.
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In the australia series every batsman from both sides scores tons of runs . Smith scored 730 runs in that series easily outbatting kohli
 
Smudger said:
In the australia series every batsman from both sides scores tons of runs . Smith scored 730 runs in that series easily outbatting kohli
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You need to also factor in the fact that Smith scored those runs against Indian spray gun attack. India were playing Varun Aaron who was going close to 5 an over. I agree the pitches were flat but no Indian bowler baring Ashwin was able to keep the RR in check. In Spite of the amount of runs scored, the Aussie bowling line up of RJ Harris, MJ, Hazlewood and Siddle were way better than the Indian spray guns who went for 6 runs per over in some spells. I watched the entire series and it was really hard to watch them bowl. People blame Dhoni for everything but Kohli was equally clueless when his pacers were getting hit either side of the wicket at a RR of 5 runs per over.
 
His conversion rate is a crippling flaw. Interesting how this issue is much more prominent when he plays overseas. His away numbers overall are still good but only 3 hundreds converted out of a total of 20 50+ scores is awful.
 
gotta agree with the above. He is way overhyped by the english media and just hasnt turned up when he has been needed e.g. the semi final against Pakistan and now here in the ashes.
 
I want to see another thread being opened, arise Sir Joe Root version 2; it should encourage the little lad :afridi
 
In danger of turning into a HTB. Our two other genuinely good players of recent times, KP and Cook, absolutely presented different flaws in their respective games - but they had strong pedigrees of wearing down the bowlers, getting on top of the match situation and scoring overseas hundreds. Hundreds win games, not fifties.
 
James said:
In danger of turning into a HTB. Our two other genuinely good players of recent times, KP and Cook, absolutely presented different flaws in their respective games - but they had strong pedigrees of wearing down the bowlers, getting on top of the match situation and scoring overseas hundreds. Hundreds win games, not fifties.
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Isn't he ranked number 2 in the world? :root :salute
 
James said:
In danger of turning into a HTB. Our two other genuinely good players of recent times, KP and Cook, absolutely presented different flaws in their respective games - but they had strong pedigrees of wearing down the bowlers, getting on top of the match situation and scoring overseas hundreds. Hundreds win games, not fifties.
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I don't think root is a HTB but he is surely a batsman with temperament issues. He scores a lots of fifties but rarely converts them. He has 34 50's and only 13 hundreds, that is such a poor conversion rate (28%). While Virat has 57% conversion rate and Smith has 50%. Kane Williamson also has a conversion rate of 40%. Root falls way behind. England heavily rely on Root and Cook to score big with Stoneman, Malan and Vince not having much experience at this level and his failure to convert those knocks to a big one is hurting England badly.
 
Aman said:
Isn't he ranked number 2 in the world? :root :salute
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I think so, he would of course be the latest in a long line of many HTBs who had strong stats and a high ICC ranking. I will clarify though that I have not anointed him as a HTB just yet, rather I said that he is in danger of turning into one.
 
James said:
I think so, he would of course be the latest in a long line of many HTBs who had strong stats and a high ICC ranking. I will clarify though that I have not anointed him as a HTB just yet, rather I said that he is in danger of turning into one.
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I'm glad to see that you've realized it was nothing personal against the English. I just hate overrated/gutless players, period.
 
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Aman said:
I'm glad to see that you've realized it was nothing personal against the English. I just hate overrated/gutless players, period.
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Not sure about the gutless part, jury is still out on that, but nonetheless a Test-class player who is being overrated at the moment.
 
James said:
Not sure about the gutless part, jury is still out on that, but nonetheless a Test-class player who is being overrated at the moment.
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Nah, Root isn't gutless, but he isn't ruthless either. I was referring to AB there.
 
Root is a magical test batsman.

He finds every time of bowling & condition easy to play but for some reason, doesn't kick on and score.

IF he corrects his flaw, he can easily end up as an ATG. Whether that can happen is anybody's guess.

Right now, he ain't that good outside England. Lots of runs, little impact.
 
the Great Khan said:
and failed miserably. at this moment in time I rate azhar ali higher than root.
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Scoring 46 runs is not failing miserably. I fyou wanna see miserable failure just look at kohli ct final knock. Wake me up when azhar scores 83 off 40 balls in wt20 vs sa chasing 230.
 
Smudger said:
Scoring 46 runs is not failing miserably. I fyou wanna see miserable failure just look at kohli ct final knock. Wake me up when azhar scores 83 off 40 balls in wt20 vs sa chasing 230.
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wake me up when one of your newbies hits a double century in australia. In real cricket.
 
Conditions don't affect him . It's his ability to convert 50s into 100s. I think once he converts some 50s into 100s he will be fine. I will still back him to have a brilliant test career.

He's 26, so he has a couple of years before his peak. If at 28/28 he's still having the same problem, he may never reach his potential.

I'll back Root to come good.
 
His conversion rate is just one flaw that he has. If he fixes that, he will easily be there with likes of Smith and Kohli.

If he doesn't the Fab 4, will become the top 2. Kane, unfortunately due to the virtue of being a Kiwi seems to be slipping out of it in any case.
 
Sidilicious said:
His conversion rate is just one flaw that he has. If he fixes that, he will easily be there with likes of Smith and Kohli.

If he doesn't the Fab 4, will become the top 2. Kane, unfortunately due to the virtue of being a Kiwi seems to be slipping out of it in any case.
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Meh, if it means he'll work on his LOI game, I don't mind.

We have impact players, we need a quality rock in the top order who can score the 100s.
 
Beautiful 20 today, he's leading from the front like the number 2 batsmen in the world would.

giphy.webp
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] love for Root has grown spectacularly since he made this thread. I think its little unfair to keep bumping thread on every failure although he definitely was overhyped a bit much but criticism is also getting overboard now.
 
James said:
In danger of turning into a HTB. Our two other genuinely good players of recent times, KP and Cook, absolutely presented different flaws in their respective games - but they had strong pedigrees of wearing down the bowlers, getting on top of the match situation and scoring overseas hundreds. Hundreds win games, not fifties.
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He played good knocks against SA in SA though.

Look some players revel with captaincy, some players don't do that well under pressure.

Root doesn't seem to be handling it all that well. He can't even control his players and coaches from getting into a rift.

Do that in a Kohli set up and you'll probably be sacked, doesn't matter if you are a Rohit or Dhawan. Root isn't just the kind of leader that can get his team together.
 
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Cricfan4eva said:
He played good knocks against SA in SA though.

Look some players revel with captaincy, some players don't do that well under pressure.

Root doesn't seem to be handling it all that well. He can't even control his players and coaches from getting into a rift.

Do that in a Kohli set up and you'll probably be sacked, doesn't matter if you are a Rohit or Dhawan. Root isn't just the kind of leader that can get his team together.
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You are giving too much credit to Virat here. He is a superb batsman . But his favouritism and tactical ineptness are his major weaknesses
 
Too much criticism here. No need to bump this thread after each failure.
 
WengerOut said:
You are giving too much credit to Virat here. He is a superb batsman . But his favouritism and tactical ineptness are his major weaknesses
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Favouritism how?

Dropping out of form Pujara for Rohit and bringing him back once he regained his form in domestic. And then hailing him as the best Indian test batsman?

Or dropping Ashwin and Jadeja for newbies like Chahal and Kuldeep because they are more wicket-taking options?

I feel some people have it in them to hate on Indian captains no matter what. When Dhoni was skipper, Raina, Ash and Yuvi were his favourites.


Now with Kohli as skipper, players he backs are questioned. The guy has won 9 series in a row, only done by Ponting before. Give the man some credit. He might now some more cricket than you.
 
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Anyone change their mind yet? [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Swear he's failed to convert a 50 in over a year, which is astonishing with the amount of Test cricket England play and the number of 50s Root scores.
 
Aman said:
Anyone change their mind yet? [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Swear he's failed to convert a 50 in over a year, which is astonishing with the amount of Test cricket England play and the number of 50s Root scores.
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Yes,he's scored 10 fifties without a hundred.
 
Aman said:
Fair to call him the most overrated now?

A so called elite batsmen who cannot score 100s is tough to beat.
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I dont think people overrate him as much. Since this thread is made, he has played 12 tests and got one hundred which was vs WI.

At the moment, he is playing for a weak team and his conversion issue is exposed. I was expecting him to come good in this home season. So, let us wait for more.

He is an elite test batsmen but has mental issues obviously. I won't call him the most overrated because I dont take the usual England media hype seriously. He is overrated but still very very good.
 
Ab Fan said:
I dont think people overrate him as much. Since this thread is made, he has played 12 tests and got one hundred which was vs WI.

At the moment, he is playing for a weak team and his conversion issue is exposed. I was expecting him to come good in this home season. So, let us wait for more.

He is an elite test batsmen but has mental issues obviously. I won't call him the most overrated because I dont take the usual England media hype seriously. He is overrated but still very very good.
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An elite batsmen who

1) Cannot lead the batting
2) Score 100s

How is he an elite batsmen when he can do neither? Explain please.

Consistency scoring useless 50s doesn't make someone elite.
 
No where near the likes of Kohli, Smith and Williamson in any formats. He gets over rated by the majority which should die out by the end of this summer.
 
Aman said:
An elite batsmen who

1) Cannot lead the batting
2) Score 100s

How is he an elite batsmen when he can do neither? Explain please.

Consistency scoring useless 50s doesn't make someone elite.
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He is an elite batsmen because in past, he has dominated series at home against India(2014) and Australia(2015) and had
high quality fluent knocks against Pakistan
(Trent Bridge 2016) and South Africa last year (he scored 190 off 234 balls). These are some big teams and they had excellent bowlers. Away from home, his inning in Wanderers is up there as well.

His 50s have been useless in last one year and it is true that it is coincided by the fact that England have been a very weak team during the same time which means he hasn't been able to lead the batting in crisis situation for them but still we shouldn't discount his performances between 2014-2016.

He is still young and I think once he gives up captaincy, the run-flowing and hundreds will start coming. He is just not a right man for leadership.
 
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He is an inferior test batsmen to Smith, Kohli and Williamson but still enough to be in elite category IMO.
 
Walked into the press conference today and he looked totally shellshocked and at times lost for words.

Did not speak well at all, confused his words, came up with some weird explanations - is this guy really the man to lead the England Test team?
 
If ever there was a time and a place for Root to prove himself, it is at his home ground next week.
 
Saj said:
Walked into the press conference today and he looked totally shellshocked and at times lost for words.

Did not speak well at all, confused his words, came up with some weird explanations - is this guy really the man to lead the England Test team?
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I would rather he be concerned than be blasé about it.

He will bounce back. Might even use this loss to thrash India black and blue.
 
I actually thought that he played superbly for his 68, under severe pressure, and unlike many of these fifty-and-outs he was undone by a good piece of bowling this time. In the PP match thread, everyone posting remarked how noticeably well he had played for those runs.

But more generally his conversion rate has become a massive issue and he needs to do whatever he has to do to sort it out.
 
I'll love to have a no. 3 batsman who gets 50+every match even if he doesn't score 100.
He is a quality player, he has placed England in a comfortable position.
 
At least he can console himself by saying he is the most consistent test batsman.This is his 12th 50 against India in 12th Match.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I'll love to have a no. 3 batsman who gets 50+every match even if he doesn't score 100.
He is a quality player, he has placed England in a comfortable position.
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And it's not like he gets out for 50 or 51 or 52.

70-80 is still a good score for a #3 in a test match.
 
Excellent player with only one shortcoming. You will find shortcoming in everyone tbh.
 
Good innings today but he will be frustrated by his run out. Was totally against the play, and getting run out is just one of those 'what if' moments you look back at. He will be frustrated with this but you can't really say this was a failure to convert a 50, just a moment of madness. Was also a great throw by Kohli.
 
The guy is amazing. I rarely see him fail
It's a good problem to have though it will be bothering him
 
No need to worry, he'll be fine... the Ashes have just started :vk so plenty of time for him to improve that conversion rate
 
Another 50 :)))

He's a meme.

He may be consistent but he's not going to win you matches with his 50s. People need to stop acting like all his 50s are 80s and 90s, he's usually out between 50-60.
 
He’s just equalled Knott and Cook (who did it twice) in scoring fifty eleven tests in a row without going on to score a hundred.

I think captaincy is affecting his batting. Bring in Morgan as skipper for Malan.
 
Robert said:
He’s just equalled Knott and Cook (who did it twice) in scoring fifty eleven tests in a row without going on to score a hundred.

I think captaincy is affecting his batting. Bring in Morgan as skipper for Malan.
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Is morgan good enough for tests.
 
Thankfully for England he is in the team otherwise their batting lineup would struggle to make 200 consistently.

Sure he needs to convert some of those fifty into hundreds but still I find him the most complete, all pitch, all bowlers (spinners, fast) batsman around.
 
Root is a great batsman, not at all overrated. So he's going through a bad run and still has a 50 in each of his last 11 tests.

Unlike Williamson who was exposed
 
Aman said:
Another 50 :)))

He's a meme.

He may be consistent but he's not going to win you matches with his 50s. People need to stop acting like all his 50s are 80s and 90s, he's usually out between 50-60.
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Well, he may win this test with his 50s.
 
Kohli's so far winning this battle. If Joe can get a match-winning hundred here, then at the very least people will think twice before calling him overrated.
 
When the team needs a 50 from Joe Fiddy, nothing :)))

And some really call him an ATG and place above last in the Fab 4.
 
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