Khalistan Water Crisis

[msaaim89]

Any comments [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

 

[Napa]

Any comments [MENTION=141520]troodon[/MENTION] [MENTION=142162]Napa[/MENTION] [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

It's a one hour video. I already waste too much time on the internet. If you gave me a summary, I could offer an opinion

 

[ElRaja]

im guessing its about indian government routing punjabi rivers into neighbouring states, and how over farming has dried up the natural water table.

 

[PakLFC]

You mean Indian Punjab. There is no such country as Khalistan anywhere on earth, Stop it!

 

[Slog]

You mean Indian Punjab. There is no such country as Khalistan anywhere on earth, Stop it!

Understand why that irks you. Mask coming off again

 

[PakLFC]

Understand why that irks you. Mask coming off again

It annoys me coz being a person living in the real world can tell you there is no country called Khalistan. I would say the same if anyone tried to see Baluchistan as a separate entity from Pakistan as well. Th real thing is that I don't want Pakistan to help the Sikh's in forming their Khalistan. Sikh's have never been our friends and many of them dream of Lahore being the capital of this Khalistan thing. If it was ever established they'd start causing trouble in our Punjab. I suggest you migrate to Indian Punjab if you love them so much.

 

[PakLFC]

Now I am no lover of Indian Muslims at all as everyone here knows. It is however really strange to see Pakistanis here love the Sikh's much more then their long suffering coreligionists from across the border. What have the Sikh's ever done for the Pakistanis here so much that it tickles your fancy?? You people need to read the history of how hostile the Sikh's have always been towards Muslim's and Islam and how most of them were totally against the creation of Pakistan. Today they simply want to use the Pak army and us people to form their country.

 

[King-Misbah]

It's a one hour video. I already waste too much time on the internet. If you gave me a summary, I could offer an opinion

Its about Punjab not getting it rights. It was carved into three states. Importantly, its rivers are directed to other states with Punjab keeping less then 25% of its water. Most of the water goes to Rajastan. This causes water shortages, makes the land infertile etc The river crisis actually led to the Operation Blue Star according to the documentary.

 

[King-Misbah]

Now I am no lover of Indian Muslims at all as everyone here knows. It is however really strange to see Pakistanis here love the Sikh's much more then their long suffering coreligionists from across the border. What have the Sikh's ever done for the Pakistanis here so much that it tickles your fancy?? You people need to read the history of how hostile the Sikh's have always been towards Muslim's and Islam and how most of them were totally against the creation of Pakistan. Today they simply want to use the Pak army and us people to form their country.

Both sides of Punjab have cultural similarities. This includes castes, food, language etc. Personally, I never had any issues with Sikhs and got on well with them. I am not 100% Punjabi but can speak the language and familiar with the culture.

 

[Napa]

Its about Punjab not getting it rights. It was carved into three states. Importantly, its rivers are directed to other states with Punjab keeping less then 25% of its water. Most of the water goes to Rajastan. This causes water shortages, makes the land infertile etc The river crisis actually led to the Operation Blue Star according to the documentary.

Punjab's per cap GDP is about 30% more than Rajasthan's. Living together as one country also means sharing the resources with other countrymen. Punjab has gained from people like Mankombu Sambasivan Swaminathan hailed as the "Father of Green Revolution in India". Living in a democracy means one has to accept government programs, though they may not always benefit.

Blue Star was to put an end to Bhindralwale pulling Hindus out of buses and murdering them. He had to be stopped.

 

[PakLFC]

Both sides of Punjab have cultural similarities. This includes castes, food, language etc. Personally, I never had any issues with Sikhs and got on well with them. I am not 100% Punjabi but can speak the language and familiar with the culture.

My coreligionists come well before cultural similarities with non Muslims. When I am not keen on Indian Muslim's then the Sikh's are much less important. Although there are many good Sikh's I am not gonna side with a people who deep down in their hearts are against Islam and Pakistan as well. There is no way our soldiers should die for their Khalistan. There are millions of Punjabi Hindu's and Indian Muslim's as well.

 

[PakLFC]

We should side with Khalistani Sikh's because they love aloo palek and lassi like we do Reminds me off Nawaz Sharif telling Indians how we worship the same God and have the same culinary habits belittling the border in the process. Firstly the Sikhs don't eat halaal putting paid to this overrated cultural similarities thing with them. Secondly Muslim's do not worship the same God as their Wahe Guru and neither do we acknowledge their Guru's as anything at all.

 

[warcry]

there is no reason to show any sympathy to the sikhs. They chose India, now they must learn to live with the decision they made.
just sit back, watch the video and laugh at their stupidity. Jinnah offered the Sikh leaders a blank cheque if they joined Pakistan (as he did not want punjab to be partitioned), and they rejected it to stay with India.

 

[Dominant]

Lol all you ignorant people think Punjab is only about Sikhs. There’s a vast numbers of Hindus like me also call Punjab our homeland. While it’s supper offensive to me to call Punjab as Khalistan based on some fringe movements in UK and Canada, I can see why threads like this exist here as this is a Pakistani site.

So all the Pakistani posters keep fantasising about Khalistan, Indian Punjab is here to stay.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

We should side with Khalistani Sikh's because they love aloo palek and lassi like we do Reminds me off Nawaz Sharif telling Indians how we worship the same God and have the same culinary habits belittling the border in the process. Firstly the Sikhs don't eat halaal putting paid to this overrated cultural similarities thing with them. Secondly Muslim's do not worship the same God as their Wahe Guru and neither do we acknowledge their Guru's as anything at all.

Waheguru means Almighty God. Sikhism is a monotheistic religion. God is referred as Allah 30 times in holy book of Sikhs. Other terms are Khuda, Rabb, Parmaatma. Sikhism is against superstitions, dieties, idol worshipping. Of course shirk exist among modern day Sikhs like Sufism is a blot on Islam.

Sikhs never blamed Islam religion for atrocities committed by Aurangzeb, he is seen as tyrant masquerading as Islamist akin to modern day Taliban/ISIS.

Let go of brainwashing you have gone through, and live in present. At least research before you speak hatred.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

there is no reason to show any sympathy to the sikhs. They chose India, now they must learn to live with the decision they made.
just sit back, watch the video and laugh at their stupidity. Jinnah offered the Sikh leaders a blank cheque if they joined Pakistan (as he did not want punjab to be partitioned), and they rejected it to stay with India.

To be honest, those who could flew India have already left India. Affluent Jatts are living abroad, only low caste Sikhs, a tiny minority of political power holders or poor Sikhs belonging to other castes have remained behind.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Waheguru means Almighty God. Sikhism is a monotheistic religion. God is referred as Allah 30 times in holy book of Sikhs. Other terms are Khuda, Rabb, Parmaatma. Sikhism is against superstitions, dieties, idol worshipping. Of course shirk exist among modern day Sikhs like Sufism is a blot on Islam.

Sikhs never blamed Islam religion for atrocities committed by Aurangzeb, he is seen as tyrant masquerading as Islamist akin to modern day Taliban/ISIS.

Let go of brainwashing you have gone through, and live in present. At least research before you speak hatred.

What are your thoughts on Khalistan?

 

[King-Misbah]

My coreligionists come well before cultural similarities with non Muslims. When I am not keen on Indian Muslim's then the Sikh's are much less important. Although there are many good Sikh's I am not gonna side with a people who deep down in their hearts are against Islam and Pakistan as well. There is no way our soldiers should die for their Khalistan. There are millions of Punjabi Hindu's and Indian Muslim's as well.

Who said Pakistani soldiers will die? Khalistan is some sikhs aspiration and Pakistan has nothing to do with it.

 

[King-Misbah]

Punjab's per cap GDP is about 30% more than Rajasthan's. Living together as one country also means sharing the resources with other countrymen. Punjab has gained from people like Mankombu Sambasivan Swaminathan hailed as the "Father of Green Revolution in India". Living in a democracy means one has to accept government programs, though they may not always benefit.

Blue Star was to put an end to Bhindralwale pulling Hindus out of buses and murdering them. He had to be stopped.

The documentary highlight how Punjab is being adversely effected for the benefit of other states. Punjabs main industry is agriculture and without it rivers, it simply can not survive. Punjab farmers are struggling due to the lack of water. These are not my words or opinion but information from the documentary.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

It works the other way too - water from, for example, Jammu and Kashmir is routed to Punjab. Electricity generated from elsewhere in India is also utilised by Punjab etc.

Sure agriculture in Punjab is suffering a crisis however there are numerous reasons for this many of which are down to the landowners themselves.

 

[Musakhel]

Is there any tangible evidence that ISI supports The Khalistan movement today? , Dont bring Evidence from the 80s please.

 

[troodon]

Sikhs and Punjabi culture is over represented in India. Punjabis and Sikhs are well off and they enjoy great respect pan India. Yet these guys want separate Khalistan

Atrocities have been committed on all groups in India. Yet no one wants a separate country like these Wannabe white Punjabi Sikhs.

 

[Pakpak]

You mean Indian Punjab. There is no such country as Khalistan anywhere on earth, Stop it!

Can you stop pretending already

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Sikh is the only religion that doesnt have its own country.

Khalistan is a good idea?

 

[troodon]

Sikh is the only religion that doesnt have its own country.

Khalistan is a good idea?

Jains don't have their own country. So are Parsis.

Jains should get Gujarat and Rajasthan and Parsis should get their native land from Iran.

 

[ahmedzee]

I am shocked how Sikhs are still pro India. They have been brutalized by the Indian regime over the years. Water crisis led to Operation Blue Star, and we all know this operation is no different than the massacre of Amritsar by the British. No one in the international media talks about it. I really feel bad for the Sikhs. They must get justice, and giving them their water is a first step, if India doesn't want a civil war in future.

 

[msaaim89]

Lol all you ignorant people think Punjab is only about Sikhs. There’s a vast numbers of Hindus like me also call Punjab our homeland. While it’s supper offensive to me to call Punjab as Khalistan based on some fringe movements in UK and Canada, I can see why threads like this exist here as this is a Pakistani site.

So all the Pakistani posters keep fantasising about Khalistan, Indian Punjab is here to stay.

No comment on the main issue of water theft by other regions?

 

[PakLFC]

Waheguru means Almighty God. Sikhism is a monotheistic religion. God is referred as Allah 30 times in holy book of Sikhs. Other terms are Khuda, Rabb, Parmaatma. Sikhism is against superstitions, dieties, idol worshipping. Of course shirk exist among modern day Sikhs like Sufism is a blot on Islam.

Sikhs never blamed Islam religion for atrocities committed by Aurangzeb, he is seen as tyrant masquerading as Islamist akin to modern day Taliban/ISIS.

Let go of brainwashing you have gone through, and live in present. At least research before you speak hatred.

Does not matter what God is called in Sikh Holy books coz Muslim's don't acknowledge them at all. Understand this fact loud and clear. Muslim people are told to only use Islamic terms when talking of God, the world "Wahe Guru" is nowhere in the Qur'an or Islamic history so don't make it sound that both are the same philosophy. I realise that Muslim's have been cruel towards Sikh's as well no questioning that however Pak should not get involved in Sikh affairs at all. I am afraid you want me to say that "Muslim's and Sikh's are the same" which is simply not true. You do yourself no favours by referring to simple facts as "brainwashing". I know Sikhism is monotheistic however it has no links with Islam, Christianity or Judaism at all.

 

[PakLFC]

Who said Pakistani soldiers will die? Khalistan is some sikhs aspiration and Pakistan has nothing to do with it.

Many Sikh's want Pak soldiers to get involved in fighting India for forming this Khalistan thing. That is what I am saying that Pak has nothing to do with it so we should stay well clear off this movement.

 

[topspin]

Understand why that irks you. Mask coming off again

Can you elaborate? Would be interested to know the story behind this.

 

[PakLFC]

Can you elaborate? Would be interested to know the story behind this.

He calls a Pakistani like me an Indian coz I don't support the Khalistan movement. Truth is I don't support Khalistan coz Pak has nothing to do with it and secondly many Sikh's dream of our Lahore being it's capital city. Interestingly no Sikh celebrity or politicians like Manmohan Singh, Gurdaas Maan, Sunny Deol, Harbhajan Singh, Navjot Sidhu or Daler Mehndi care about it either unlike our Pakistani brothers here, Shah se zyaada Shah ke wafadaar. If those Sikhs sitting in Canada, America and the UK want Khalistan so badly then go to India and get the job done. This is what Sir Iqbal told Quaid Jinnah in the 1930's about wanting a Pakistan.

 

[topspin]

He calls a Pakistani like me an Indian coz I don't support the Khalistan movement. Truth is I don't support Khalistan coz Pak has nothing to do with it and secondly many Sikh's dream of our Lahore being it's capital city. Interestingly no Sikh celebrity or politicians like Manmohan Singh, Gurdaas Maan, Sunny Deol, Harbhajan Singh, Navjot Sidhu or Daler Mehndi care about it either unlike our Pakistani brothers here, Shah se zyaada Shah ke wafadaar. If those Sikhs sitting in Canada, America and the UK want Khalistan so badly then go to India and get the job done. This is what Sir Iqbal told Quaid Jinnah in the 1930's about wanting a Pakistan.

Thanks, I've never found any issues with your posts and like the fact you always say it how it is.

I think Pakistan should consider supporting the Khalistan movement, since there is no doubt whatsoever India is supporting separatist movements in Balochistan, KPK and Afghanistan.

I've seen the Khalistan map and none the area illustrated covers any region within the land of Pakistan, so I highly doubt they want Lahore to be their capital.

I'm not saying we should definitely support the Khalistan movement, but we need to preempt what India will do next and devise a strategy in accordance to their next movements.

 

[Obaidd]

He calls a Pakistani like me an Indian coz I don't support the Khalistan movement. Truth is I don't support Khalistan coz Pak has nothing to do with it and secondly many Sikh's dream of our Lahore being it's capital city. Interestingly no Sikh celebrity or politicians like Manmohan Singh, Gurdaas Maan, Sunny Deol, Harbhajan Singh, Navjot Sidhu or Daler Mehndi care about it either unlike our Pakistani brothers here, Shah se zyaada Shah ke wafadaar. If those Sikhs sitting in Canada, America and the UK want Khalistan so badly then go to India and get the job done. This is what Sir Iqbal told Quaid Jinnah in the 1930's about wanting a Pakistan.

You are right about the dream of Lahore being its capital. The inclusion of Kabul and Peshawar is also wished as part of Ranjit Singh’s kingdom.

 

[PakLFC]

You are right about the dream of Lahore being its capital. The inclusion of Kabul and Peshawar is also wished as part of Ranjit Singh’s kingdom.

This is plain stupid on the part of Sikhs. Lahore, Kabul and Peshawar are all Muslim city's. If the American's could not tame the Afghans then the Sikh's have no chance. Warfare is very different now moreover Sikh's were also ruled by Muslim's during the Mughal empire. Those days are now gone forever as are the Mughal's and Ranjit Singh.

 

[xbronze]

To be honest, those who could flew India have already left India. Affluent Jatts are living abroad, only low caste Sikhs, a tiny minority of political power holders or poor Sikhs belonging to other castes have remained behind.

Thank you for the laugh. Really needed a good joke today!

 

[JaDed]

Thank you for the laugh. Really needed a good joke today!

It didn’t make me chuckle one bit coz this is why Caste violence is huge in Punjab not to forget glorifying jatts.

Im glad Himachal is not part of Punjab , see their literacy rate now.

 

[Hitman]

Where is Khalistan?

 

[xbronze]

Thanks, I've never found any issues with your posts and like the fact you always say it how it is.

I think Pakistan should consider supporting the Khalistan movement, since there is no doubt whatsoever India is supporting separatist movements in Balochistan, KPK and Afghanistan.

I've seen the Khalistan map and none the area illustrated covers any region within the land of Pakistan, so I highly doubt they want Lahore to be their capital.

I'm not saying we should definitely support the Khalistan movement, but we need to preempt what India will do next and devise a strategy in accordance to their next movements.

Friend, if you Pakistanis nurture the dream of fragmenting India, a good point to start would be to look at some movement that exists in R E A L I T Y on the ground IN INDIA.

Let that bolded part just sink in.

The problem with Pakistani dreams of carving Khalistan is that in reality it is confined within the minds of a few disgruntled Sikhs abroad, primarily in Canada.

There is Z E R O traction for Khalistan in India. You have a better chance of getting Tamil Nadu or Kerala or Maharashtra to balkanize out of India. In other words you are staring at a big fat 'nothing burger' here.

I respect this forum a lot and frequent it for the quality of discourse and openness to accept contrary points of view. It also offers me a fascinating vista into the minds of sensible Pakistanis (because a lot of other sites online brings out trolls of India and Pakistan that cheapens the discourse).

But when I see posts on this forum about Khalistan movement as if there is really something like this happening in India, I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Another poster writes on this thread that only low caste Sikhs remain in India as all other Sikhs have long left India for foreign shores. I don't know if it is the Pakistani media or if it is some propaganda by the ISI, but something must be happening in Pakistani media for people there to believe that Sikhs in India are existing like persecuted jews in Hitler's concentration camps in Germany.

Sikhs are as mainstream, successful, influential, rich, as any group can be in any nation. I wont be surprised if Sikhs are the most influential/rich/successful community in India - should a believable survey be conducted on those lines. I have NEVER ever come across a Sikh beggar in India every.

Sikhs account for a disproportionately large representation in the Indian military (all services). There are several infantry and light infantry regiments exclusively comprised of Sikhs. They also form a big chunk of the numerous other non-Sikh infantry formations. There have been two Indian Army Chiefs who were Sikhs and one Air Chief (then Marshal of the Air Force). There have been countless Sikh Commanders-in-Chief (Area Commanders) in India's Navy, Army, Air Force.

Additionally, Sikhs have gone on to become the Prime Minister, President, Governors of Indian States, Chief of the Reserve Bank of India, to bureaucrats, to businessmen, sports/athletics, media/entertainment, art, every single aspect of Indian life has Sikhs excelling.

(I would like to assume that the Sikhs in Pakistan have also been just as successful in Pakistan, perhaps even more successful than the Sikhs in India, given how forceful Pakistan and Pakistanis are about telling India about supporting/protecting minorities).

And I visit Pakistani forums and I see a narrative that is 180 degrees different from reality. And then to hear people in Pakistan dreaming about 'Khalistan movement' and talks of encouraging Khalistan movement, as if it exists on the ground in India, is laughable.

I mean, I am not one of those brainwashed persons who thinks he has to defend India come what may. No. I will be the first to admit that all this talk of 'India is an economic powerhouse/superpower in waiting' is pure nonsense. India was, and continues to remain one of the most poverty stricken countries on earth (going by UNDP statistics, India has over 300 million folks in more abject poverty than the worst poorest peoples of sub saharan Africa). India's track record of casteist divisions/violence, of incidents of violent atrocities against minorities, of the state of women (especially in rural areas), lack of public sanitation, etc etc etc is a matter of a crying shame. Though I have seen a lot of improvement/development over the past 25 years, India still languishes at the bottom of development metrics. These are all facts.

But if anyone says that the Sikhs are being persecuted in India and cannot practice their religion in India or that there is a Khalistan movement in India, I would think that person is smoking something.

If I read a thread here about 'Maoists problem' in India, I will read that thread with some respect, because yes there is a Maoist issue in India. When I read a thread about some lunatic mob lynching a person in India because they did not say 'Jai Ram' or something, despicable as that news is, that thread would earn respect in my eyes because it is not 'fake news' and someone wants to shed light on a real issue.

When I read made up stuff like an active 'Khalistan movement' in India and how Sikhs are persecuted in India, or suggest how/why Pakistan must support Khalistan movement as a way to neutralize India's designs against Pakistan, I (like most Indian readers) will chuckle. I am not suggesting that Pakistan should not explore areas to try and balkanize India (that is for Pakistan government/intelligence agencies to decide). If someone were to ask for my opinion, I would say that their best chance to exploit Khalistan movement died with Bhindranwale in the early 1980s.

And this mindless drivel about Indian government turning rivers away from Indian Punjab to punish Sikhs/Khalistan! Good lord, does no one even use their brain anymore? So Indian Government would not think anything about the millions of other people, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jains etc etc, when starving Punjab, only because it decides to punish Sikhs. And we had Sikhs who are/were the Chief Minister of Punjab, a Sikh was Prime Minister of India for 10 years.

And Punjab is the bread basket of India. And yet, the Indian government would decided to re-direct rivers away from Indian Punjab, just so it could punish the people of Punjab over an imaginary Khalistan movement that some person created a video about and posted on the internet.

What surprises me is...Why are Pakistanis (like you) who want to exploit 'movements' that seek to secede from India, looking beyond Kashmir? Is that a tacit admission by Pakistanis that having thrown the kitchen sink at Indian Kashmir for over 3 decades (including the military battle at kargil), and not an inch of recovered Indian Kashmir to show for it, it is time to look elsewhere? In other words since dreams of Kashmir have ended, lets look at something else now... even an imaginary Khalistan movement would do?

Doobte ko tinke ka sahaara (Anything is a viable option to hold on to, for a drowning person).

 

[JaDed]

Where is Khalistan?

In Canada and UK , will be worlds first country to be carved out of two different ones.

Imagine flights being bombed oh wait.. didn’t theyr already blew a flight on that route?

 

[Obaidd]

Friend, if you Pakistanis nurture the dream of fragmenting India, a good point to start would be to look at some movement that exists in R E A L I T Y on the ground IN INDIA.

Let that bolded part just sink in.

The problem with Pakistani dreams of carving Khalistan is that in reality it is confined within the minds of a few disgruntled Sikhs abroad, primarily in Canada.

There is Z E R O traction for Khalistan in India. You have a better chance of getting Tamil Nadu or Kerala or Maharashtra to balkanize out of India. In other words you are staring at a big fat 'nothing burger' here.

I respect this forum a lot and frequent it for the quality of discourse and openness to accept contrary points of view. It also offers me a fascinating vista into the minds of sensible Pakistanis (because a lot of other sites online brings out trolls of India and Pakistan that cheapens the discourse).

But when I see posts on this forum about Khalistan movement as if there is really something like this happening in India, I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Another poster writes on this thread that only low caste Sikhs remain in India as all other Sikhs have long left India for foreign shores. I don't know if it is the Pakistani media or if it is some propaganda by the ISI, but something must be happening in Pakistani media for people there to believe that Sikhs in India are existing like persecuted jews in Hitler's concentration camps in Germany.

Sikhs are as mainstream, successful, influential, rich, as any group can be in any nation. I wont be surprised if Sikhs are the most influential/rich/successful community in India - should a believable survey be conducted on those lines. I have NEVER ever come across a Sikh beggar in India every.

Sikhs account for a disproportionately large representation in the Indian military (all services). There are several infantry and light infantry regiments exclusively comprised of Sikhs. They also form a big chunk of the numerous other non-Sikh infantry formations. There have been two Indian Army Chiefs who were Sikhs and one Air Chief (then Marshal of the Air Force). There have been countless Sikh Commanders-in-Chief (Area Commanders) in India's Navy, Army, Air Force.

Additionally, Sikhs have gone on to become the Prime Minister, President, Governors of Indian States, Chief of the Reserve Bank of India, to bureaucrats, to businessmen, sports/athletics, media/entertainment, art, every single aspect of Indian life has Sikhs excelling.

(I would like to assume that the Sikhs in Pakistan have also been just as successful in Pakistan, perhaps even more successful than the Sikhs in India, given how forceful Pakistan and Pakistanis are about telling India about supporting/protecting minorities).

And I visit Pakistani forums and I see a narrative that is 180 degrees different from reality. And then to hear people in Pakistan dreaming about 'Khalistan movement' and talks of encouraging Khalistan movement, as if it exists on the ground in India, is laughable.

I mean, I am not one of those brainwashed persons who thinks he has to defend India come what may. No. I will be the first to admit that all this talk of 'India is an economic powerhouse/superpower in waiting' is pure nonsense. India was, and continues to remain one of the most poverty stricken countries on earth (going by UNDP statistics, India has over 300 million folks in more abject poverty than the worst poorest peoples of sub saharan Africa). India's track record of casteist divisions/violence, of incidents of violent atrocities against minorities, of the state of women (especially in rural areas), lack of public sanitation, etc etc etc is a matter of a crying shame. Though I have seen a lot of improvement/development over the past 25 years, India still languishes at the bottom of development metrics. These are all facts.

But if anyone says that the Sikhs are being persecuted in India and cannot practice their religion in India or that there is a Khalistan movement in India, I would think that person is smoking something.

If I read a thread here about 'Maoists problem' in India, I will read that thread with some respect, because yes there is a Maoist issue in India. When I read a thread about some lunatic mob lynching a person in India because they did not say 'Jai Ram' or something, despicable as that news is, that thread would earn respect in my eyes because it is not 'fake news' and someone wants to shed light on a real issue.

When I read made up stuff like an active 'Khalistan movement' in India and how Sikhs are persecuted in India, or suggest how/why Pakistan must support Khalistan movement as a way to neutralize India's designs against Pakistan, I (like most Indian readers) will chuckle. I am not suggesting that Pakistan should not explore areas to try and balkanize India (that is for Pakistan government/intelligence agencies to decide). If someone were to ask for my opinion, I would say that their best chance to exploit Khalistan movement died with Bhindranwale in the early 1980s.

And this mindless drivel about Indian government turning rivers away from Indian Punjab to punish Sikhs/Khalistan! Good lord, does no one even use their brain anymore? So Indian Government would not think anything about the millions of other people, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jains etc etc, when starving Punjab, only because it decides to punish Sikhs. And we had Sikhs who are/were the Chief Minister of Punjab, a Sikh was Prime Minister of India for 10 years.

And Punjab is the bread basket of India. And yet, the Indian government would decided to re-direct rivers away from Indian Punjab, just so it could punish the people of Punjab over an imaginary Khalistan movement that some person created a video about and posted on the internet.

What surprises me is...Why are Pakistanis (like you) who want to exploit 'movements' that seek to secede from India, looking beyond Kashmir? Is that a tacit admission by Pakistanis that having thrown the kitchen sink at Indian Kashmir for over 3 decades (including the military battle at kargil), and not an inch of recovered Indian Kashmir to show for it, it is time to look elsewhere? In other words since dreams of Kashmir have ended, lets look at something else now... even an imaginary Khalistan movement would do?

Doobte ko tinke ka sahaara (Anything is a viable option to hold on to, for a drowning person).

Great post. Khalistan movement does not exist on ground ATM. My question to you is that BJP doesn’t win in Punjab, are Sikhs being alienated by the rise of Hindutva? I mean when Sikhs see that the rest of India is adopting a Hindu identity, do they feel essentially different? If so then can this new alienation turn into a political movement?

 

[Nostalgic]

Khalistan would’ve been a good name for Khal Drogo’s homeland, but George RR Martin disagreed for reasons best known to him...

 

[Chasing_The_Dream]

Quite an interesting perspective on Khalistan and it being a “minor” issue among the Sikh community in India. When within the framework of your argument I will give you two facts that are in contrast to what you’ve written here. The first is when I have friends that visit India especially New Delhi, they tell me that whenever they talk to Sikhs and ask them if they would like to visit Pakistan, they say yes they would very much like to since the Pakistan government has been so amazingly respectful of their faith and their religious shrines and temples. While mentioning this they also talk about the dark days when their community was so violently attacked, their homes were burned, thousands of men women and children slaughtered which they say they will never forget which is why they dream of their own homeland, Khalistan.

Let’s also not forget what Imran Khan’s government is doing right now in Kartarpur for the Sikh community not only from India but from around the world. Good deeds go along way, evil perpetrated against innocence is never forgotten.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Friend, if you Pakistanis nurture the dream of fragmenting India, a good point to start would be to look at some movement that exists in R E A L I T Y on the ground IN INDIA.

Let that bolded part just sink in.

The problem with Pakistani dreams of carving Khalistan is that in reality it is confined within the minds of a few disgruntled Sikhs abroad, primarily in Canada.

There is Z E R O traction for Khalistan in India. You have a better chance of getting Tamil Nadu or Kerala or Maharashtra to balkanize out of India. In other words you are staring at a big fat 'nothing burger' here.

I respect this forum a lot and frequent it for the quality of discourse and openness to accept contrary points of view. It also offers me a fascinating vista into the minds of sensible Pakistanis (because a lot of other sites online brings out trolls of India and Pakistan that cheapens the discourse).

But when I see posts on this forum about Khalistan movement as if there is really something like this happening in India, I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Another poster writes on this thread that only low caste Sikhs remain in India as all other Sikhs have long left India for foreign shores. I don't know if it is the Pakistani media or if it is some propaganda by the ISI, but something must be happening in Pakistani media for people there to believe that Sikhs in India are existing like persecuted jews in Hitler's concentration camps in Germany.

Sikhs are as mainstream, successful, influential, rich, as any group can be in any nation. I wont be surprised if Sikhs are the most influential/rich/successful community in India - should a believable survey be conducted on those lines. I have NEVER ever come across a Sikh beggar in India every.

Sikhs account for a disproportionately large representation in the Indian military (all services). There are several infantry and light infantry regiments exclusively comprised of Sikhs. They also form a big chunk of the numerous other non-Sikh infantry formations. There have been two Indian Army Chiefs who were Sikhs and one Air Chief (then Marshal of the Air Force). There have been countless Sikh Commanders-in-Chief (Area Commanders) in India's Navy, Army, Air Force.

Additionally, Sikhs have gone on to become the Prime Minister, President, Governors of Indian States, Chief of the Reserve Bank of India, to bureaucrats, to businessmen, sports/athletics, media/entertainment, art, every single aspect of Indian life has Sikhs excelling.

(I would like to assume that the Sikhs in Pakistan have also been just as successful in Pakistan, perhaps even more successful than the Sikhs in India, given how forceful Pakistan and Pakistanis are about telling India about supporting/protecting minorities).

And I visit Pakistani forums and I see a narrative that is 180 degrees different from reality. And then to hear people in Pakistan dreaming about 'Khalistan movement' and talks of encouraging Khalistan movement, as if it exists on the ground in India, is laughable.

I mean, I am not one of those brainwashed persons who thinks he has to defend India come what may. No. I will be the first to admit that all this talk of 'India is an economic powerhouse/superpower in waiting' is pure nonsense. India was, and continues to remain one of the most poverty stricken countries on earth (going by UNDP statistics, India has over 300 million folks in more abject poverty than the worst poorest peoples of sub saharan Africa). India's track record of casteist divisions/violence, of incidents of violent atrocities against minorities, of the state of women (especially in rural areas), lack of public sanitation, etc etc etc is a matter of a crying shame. Though I have seen a lot of improvement/development over the past 25 years, India still languishes at the bottom of development metrics. These are all facts.

But if anyone says that the Sikhs are being persecuted in India and cannot practice their religion in India or that there is a Khalistan movement in India, I would think that person is smoking something.

If I read a thread here about 'Maoists problem' in India, I will read that thread with some respect, because yes there is a Maoist issue in India. When I read a thread about some lunatic mob lynching a person in India because they did not say 'Jai Ram' or something, despicable as that news is, that thread would earn respect in my eyes because it is not 'fake news' and someone wants to shed light on a real issue.

When I read made up stuff like an active 'Khalistan movement' in India and how Sikhs are persecuted in India, or suggest how/why Pakistan must support Khalistan movement as a way to neutralize India's designs against Pakistan, I (like most Indian readers) will chuckle. I am not suggesting that Pakistan should not explore areas to try and balkanize India (that is for Pakistan government/intelligence agencies to decide). If someone were to ask for my opinion, I would say that their best chance to exploit Khalistan movement died with Bhindranwale in the early 1980s.

And this mindless drivel about Indian government turning rivers away from Indian Punjab to punish Sikhs/Khalistan! Good lord, does no one even use their brain anymore? So Indian Government would not think anything about the millions of other people, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jains etc etc, when starving Punjab, only because it decides to punish Sikhs. And we had Sikhs who are/were the Chief Minister of Punjab, a Sikh was Prime Minister of India for 10 years.

And Punjab is the bread basket of India. And yet, the Indian government would decided to re-direct rivers away from Indian Punjab, just so it could punish the people of Punjab over an imaginary Khalistan movement that some person created a video about and posted on the internet.

What surprises me is...Why are Pakistanis (like you) who want to exploit 'movements' that seek to secede from India, looking beyond Kashmir? Is that a tacit admission by Pakistanis that having thrown the kitchen sink at Indian Kashmir for over 3 decades (including the military battle at kargil), and not an inch of recovered Indian Kashmir to show for it, it is time to look elsewhere? In other words since dreams of Kashmir have ended, lets look at something else now... even an imaginary Khalistan movement would do?

Doobte ko tinke ka sahaara (Anything is a viable option to hold on to, for a drowning person).

What country is this?

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Here's another Punjab independence protest in Chandigarh where activists are being pelted with water canons just a few days ago.

To suggest that there is no support for Khalistan in Indian Punjab is either delusional or dishonest. Just because you don't hear about it on your state controlled media, doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

[big_gamer007]

Friend, if you Pakistanis nurture the dream of fragmenting India, a good point to start would be to look at some movement that exists in R E A L I T Y on the ground IN INDIA.

Let that bolded part just sink in.

The problem with Pakistani dreams of carving Khalistan is that in reality it is confined within the minds of a few disgruntled Sikhs abroad, primarily in Canada.

There is Z E R O traction for Khalistan in India. You have a better chance of getting Tamil Nadu or Kerala or Maharashtra to balkanize out of India. In other words you are staring at a big fat 'nothing burger' here.

I respect this forum a lot and frequent it for the quality of discourse and openness to accept contrary points of view. It also offers me a fascinating vista into the minds of sensible Pakistanis (because a lot of other sites online brings out trolls of India and Pakistan that cheapens the discourse).

But when I see posts on this forum about Khalistan movement as if there is really something like this happening in India, I don't know whether to laugh or cry

Another poster writes on this thread that only low caste Sikhs remain in India as all other Sikhs have long left India for foreign shores. I don't know if it is the Pakistani media or if it is some propaganda by the ISI, but something must be happening in Pakistani media for people there to believe that Sikhs in India are existing like persecuted jews in Hitler's concentration camps in Germany.

Sikhs are as mainstream, successful, influential, rich, as any group can be in any nation. I wont be surprised if Sikhs are the most influential/rich/successful community in India - should a believable survey be conducted on those lines. I have NEVER ever come across a Sikh beggar in India every.

Sikhs account for a disproportionately large representation in the Indian military (all services). There are several infantry and light infantry regiments exclusively comprised of Sikhs. They also form a big chunk of the numerous other non-Sikh infantry formations. There have been two Indian Army Chiefs who were Sikhs and one Air Chief (then Marshal of the Air Force). There have been countless Sikh Commanders-in-Chief (Area Commanders) in India's Navy, Army, Air Force.

Additionally, Sikhs have gone on to become the Prime Minister, President, Governors of Indian States, Chief of the Reserve Bank of India, to bureaucrats, to businessmen, sports/athletics, media/entertainment, art, every single aspect of Indian life has Sikhs excelling.

(I would like to assume that the Sikhs in Pakistan have also been just as successful in Pakistan, perhaps even more successful than the Sikhs in India, given how forceful Pakistan and Pakistanis are about telling India about supporting/protecting minorities).

And I visit Pakistani forums and I see a narrative that is 180 degrees different from reality. And then to hear people in Pakistan dreaming about 'Khalistan movement' and talks of encouraging Khalistan movement, as if it exists on the ground in India, is laughable.

I mean, I am not one of those brainwashed persons who thinks he has to defend India come what may. No. I will be the first to admit that all this talk of 'India is an economic powerhouse/superpower in waiting' is pure nonsense. India was, and continues to remain one of the most poverty stricken countries on earth (going by UNDP statistics, India has over 300 million folks in more abject poverty than the worst poorest peoples of sub saharan Africa). India's track record of casteist divisions/violence, of incidents of violent atrocities against minorities, of the state of women (especially in rural areas), lack of public sanitation, etc etc etc is a matter of a crying shame. Though I have seen a lot of improvement/development over the past 25 years, India still languishes at the bottom of development metrics. These are all facts.

But if anyone says that the Sikhs are being persecuted in India and cannot practice their religion in India or that there is a Khalistan movement in India, I would think that person is smoking something.

If I read a thread here about 'Maoists problem' in India, I will read that thread with some respect, because yes there is a Maoist issue in India. When I read a thread about some lunatic mob lynching a person in India because they did not say 'Jai Ram' or something, despicable as that news is, that thread would earn respect in my eyes because it is not 'fake news' and someone wants to shed light on a real issue.

When I read made up stuff like an active 'Khalistan movement' in India and how Sikhs are persecuted in India, or suggest how/why Pakistan must support Khalistan movement as a way to neutralize India's designs against Pakistan, I (like most Indian readers) will chuckle. I am not suggesting that Pakistan should not explore areas to try and balkanize India (that is for Pakistan government/intelligence agencies to decide). If someone were to ask for my opinion, I would say that their best chance to exploit Khalistan movement died with Bhindranwale in the early 1980s.

And this mindless drivel about Indian government turning rivers away from Indian Punjab to punish Sikhs/Khalistan! Good lord, does no one even use their brain anymore? So Indian Government would not think anything about the millions of other people, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jains etc etc, when starving Punjab, only because it decides to punish Sikhs. And we had Sikhs who are/were the Chief Minister of Punjab, a Sikh was Prime Minister of India for 10 years.

And Punjab is the bread basket of India. And yet, the Indian government would decided to re-direct rivers away from Indian Punjab, just so it could punish the people of Punjab over an imaginary Khalistan movement that some person created a video about and posted on the internet.

What surprises me is...Why are Pakistanis (like you) who want to exploit 'movements' that seek to secede from India, looking beyond Kashmir? Is that a tacit admission by Pakistanis that having thrown the kitchen sink at Indian Kashmir for over 3 decades (including the military battle at kargil), and not an inch of recovered Indian Kashmir to show for it, it is time to look elsewhere? In other words since dreams of Kashmir have ended, lets look at something else now... even an imaginary Khalistan movement would do?

Doobte ko tinke ka sahaara (Anything is a viable option to hold on to, for a drowning person).

POTW. Well said and agreed with all points.

Most posters here are from UK or Canada so you can understand why they think the way they think. Few are just here to troll .
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] POTW for TP.

 

[big_gamer007]

Here's another Punjab independence protest in Chandigarh where activists are being pelted with water canons just a few days ago.

To suggest that there is no support for Khalistan in Indian Punjab is either delusional or dishonest. Just because you don't hear about it on your state controlled media, doesn't mean it's not happening.

What country is this?

In India every protest is politically motivated. You don't understand how things work in India. Without political support no rally/protests happen. Directly or indirectly politics is involved in almost every protest.

Our politicians know how to exploit issues and they dont care about few deaths as long as they get benefits from them.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Indians: There is no ground movement for Khalistan in Indian Punjab
Also Indians: BAN SIKHS FOR JUSTICE!

These people are funny AF.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

In India every protest is politically motivated.

The movement for an independent country is political last time I checked. The whole concept behind the Referendum 2020 campaign is to shift to a democratic movement for secession. So I fail to understand your argument.

You don't understand how things work in India.

It doesn't take much of a rocket science to figure out what's going on.

Without political support no rally/protests happen. Directly or indirectly politics is involved in almost every protest.

I don't understand. So how is political support bad? Again, an independence movement would naturally be politically motivated.

I think you're under the assumption that ever secession movement is marred in violence. Sikhs learned their lesson in the 1980s...they're not going to raise guns anymore, they going to raise their pens and voices and votes now. This is what has India terrified...hence why Sikhs For Justice Human Rights Group was banned in India.

Our politicians know how to exploit issues and they dont care about few deaths as long as they get benefits from them.

So first you claimed there was no ground support for Khalistan. Once I debunked that, now you claim its being backed by a few politicians.

Please provide me proof of this below. I'll wait.

 

[big_gamer007]

The movement for an independent country is political last time I checked. The whole concept behind the Referendum 2020 campaign is to shift to a democratic movement for secession. So I fail to understand your argument.



It doesn't take much of a rocket science to figure out what's going on.



I don't understand. So how is political support bad? Again, an independence movement would naturally be politically motivated.

I think you're under the assumption that ever secession movement is marred in violence. Sikhs learned their lesson in the 1980s...they're not going to raise guns anymore, they going to raise their pens and voices and votes now. This is what has India terrified...hence why Sikhs For Justice Human Rights Group was banned in India.



So first you claimed there was no ground support for Khalistan. Once I debunked that, now you claim its being backed by a few politicians.

Please provide me proof of this below. I'll wait.

What I meant is in India their is unemployment and power culture. To disrupt rule of law or to marginalise voters politicians polarise and divide people.

This is not just about khalistan, it's about everything, religion, caste, region, profession etc etc.

By taking up issues like khalistan they try and disrupt governance and polarise voters. If you remember groups like Karni Sena etc are all politically backed what they do is take up non sensical issues and get few thousand votes in local elections.

All this chain goes up.

There would always be paid people who join such protests and some who start believing for any cause and change their vote/support accordingly.

I have spent most of my life with sikhs and no one I met ever mentioned about khalistan. Most Sikhs are proud people and happy to go who love living life. Even if anyone does support it they don't show in open, the ones who come in these protests are mostly paid goons.

There are thousands of fringe groups which consist of college dropouts, local goons who love the power culture and they join such protests when a local MLA or MP pay their front group leader in return for their favour.

That's how it works in a nutshell, not just about this particular issue but almost all issues.

You can believe what you want but that's how things work in reality in India. If

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

What I meant is in India their is unemployment and power culture. To disrupt rule of law or to marginalise voters politicians polarise and divide people.

This is not just about khalistan, it's about everything, religion, caste, region, profession etc etc.

By taking up issues like khalistan they try and disrupt governance and polarise voters. If you remember groups like Karni Sena etc are all politically backed what they do is take up non sensical issues and get few thousand votes in local elections.

All this chain goes up.


There would always be paid people who join such protests and some who start believing for any cause and change their vote/support accordingly.

I have spent most of my life with sikhs and no one I met ever mentioned about khalistan. Most Sikhs are proud people and happy to go who love living life. Even if anyone does support it they don't show in open, the ones who come in these protests are mostly paid goons.

There are thousands of fringe groups which consist of college dropouts, local goons who love the power culture and they join such protests when a local MLA or MP pay their front group leader in return for their favour.

That's how it works in a nutshell, not just about this particular issue but almost all issues.

You can believe what you want but that's how things work in reality in India. If

So now these are all "paid" protestors? Again, I'll wait for your evidence.

All you've given me is "I work with Sikhs". That's irrelevant who you work with. I work with Santa Claus...what's your point?

 

[big_gamer007]

So now these are all "paid" protestors? Again, I'll wait for your evidence.

All you've given me is "I work with Sikhs". That's irrelevant who you work with. I work with Santa Claus...what's your point?

Read the end of my post, you are free to believe whatever you want. If it helps you sleep better at night then believe khalistan movement is full on in India.

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Read the end of my post, you are free to believe whatever you want. If it helps you sleep better at night then believe khalistan movement is full on in India.

I watched the documentary...I suggest you watch it as well.

 

[big_gamer007]

I watched the documentary...I suggest you watch it as well.

I don't need to watch, I live here. I know how things work here. If kahlistan movement gains any sort of momentum in India I'll be first one to accept it, till then it's a non issue.

 

[Roaring40s]

Khalistan is a non issue. Rich Sikh businessman have settled all over India and Punjabi communities in other states seem richer than average local folks almost everywhere. Majority mainstream Sikhs wont risk taking up a movement which will jeopardize these people.

As for a few demonstrations, India is such a large country, you can find enough nutcases who believe in anything.

While its true, BJP+alliance had a setback in Punjab, but other nationalist party i.e Congress has gained instead of some regional party.

If you go by numbers, Raj Thakrey is attended by hundreds of thousands of people in many public appearances. His party won zero (yes zero) seats in the last general elections. Once upon a time he even outscored Modi on number of attendees in his campaign speech on the same day.

This Khalistan movement thing doesn't exist. Maybe Pakistanis can provide them with some context by giving up an area of Pakistani Punjab including Lahore to these foreign based Sikhs. I am sure they will gladly accept and you can satisfy yourself on scoring some point against India.

 

[Mueez]

Where is Khalistan?

I’ve heard there is a referendum next year about making Khalistan.

Is it true?

 

[RameezRambo_Fan]

Now I am no lover of Indian Muslims at all as everyone here knows.

We don't know.

It is however really strange to see Pakistanis here love the Sikh's much more then their long suffering coreligionists from across the border.

Sikhism is a religion and Sikhs are followers of that religion. They aren't an ethnic group...the ethnic group that the majority of Sikhs follow are Punjabi...which happens to a large chunk of the Pakistani population as well. Under what assumption are you making that people in West Punjab will not have affinity for their brothers and sisters in East Punjab?

Ethnicity and culture comes first, then religion.

What have the Sikh's ever done for the Pakistanis here so much that it tickles your fancy?

An independent East Punjab (Khalistan) would physically cut India off from Jammu & Kashmir, making it an enclave, which would in the long run have wider repercussions that favour Pakistan's stand on the Kashmir dispute. Somebody with your IQ simply doesn't understand that, despite the fact I've tried explaining this to you a few times.

You people need to read the history of how hostile the Sikh's have always been towards Muslim's and Islam and how most of them were totally against the creation of Pakistan.

Sikhs resisted tyranny...they didn't attack Muslims for the sake of attacking Muslims. At that time Mughuls were in power, so they resisted them. Today, Hindutiva India is doing the same to Sikhs, and they're resisting them too.

Today they simply want to use the Pak army and us people to form their country.

Says who? Show me one comment made from a Punjab separatist that states they want Pakistan's help? Pakistan Army is never going to interfere in an internal affair of India anyway...but if a natural revolt occurs, Pakistan has full rights to morally support them as they do Kashmiris.


This is like the tenth time you've been barking this same trash over and over again. It really makes me question your overall intelligence...that, or you're not who you claim to be.

A Punjabi in Pakistan would naturally feel affinity for this fellow Punjabi brethern in India.
A Pakistani would naturally support the idea of an independent east Punjab from a geopolitical POV.

I'm Pashtun, so the latter is true for me.

 

[Kaptan]

I’ve heard there is a referendum next year about making Khalistan.

Is it true?

Not in India

They can hold 1000 referendums in Canada and UK. It doesn't matter.

 

[Mueez]

Not in India

They can hold 1000 referendums in Canada and UK. It doesn't matter.

Hmm but still referendums have international reputations.

Can’t they take it to ICJ if India doesn’t cooperate considering the people vote to make Khalistan?

 

[Nostalgic]

Referenda, not “referendums”...

 

[PakLFC]

We don't know.



Sikhism is a religion and Sikhs are followers of that religion. They aren't an ethnic group...the ethnic group that the majority of Sikhs follow are Punjabi...which happens to a large chunk of the Pakistani population as well. Under what assumption are you making that people in West Punjab will not have affinity for their brothers and sisters in East Punjab?

Ethnicity and culture comes first, then religion.



An independent East Punjab (Khalistan) would physically cut India off from Jammu & Kashmir, making it an enclave, which would in the long run have wider repercussions that favour Pakistan's stand on the Kashmir dispute. Somebody with your IQ simply doesn't understand that, despite the fact I've tried explaining this to you a few times.



Sikhs resisted tyranny...they didn't attack Muslims for the sake of attacking Muslims. At that time Mughuls were in power, so they resisted them. Today, Hindutiva India is doing the same to Sikhs, and they're resisting them too.



Says who? Show me one comment made from a Punjab separatist that states they want Pakistan's help? Pakistan Army is never going to interfere in an internal affair of India anyway...but if a natural revolt occurs, Pakistan has full rights to morally support them as they do Kashmiris.


This is like the tenth time you've been barking this same trash over and over again. It really makes me question your overall intelligence...that, or you're not who you claim to be.

A Punjabi in Pakistan would naturally feel affinity for this fellow Punjabi brethern in India.
A Pakistani would naturally support the idea of an independent east Punjab from a geopolitical POV.

I'm Pashtun, so the latter is true for me.

Many here do know that I can't stand Indian Muslim's! Not at all....to a Muslim faith comes before everything else hence the "Ummat" as described by the Prophet of Islam is like one body. I do believe in what the Prophet said (saw) providing there is mutual respect from all sides. The reason I dislike Indian Muslim's is that they are by and large against Pakistan. Sikh's have nothing in common with Muslim's at all, sharing the same language and culture means little to me.

I am afraid with the IQ of a baby you are no one to mock others. An independent country is for them to build, there is no reason for us Pak's to help or assist them in anyway. Either you are pretending or are incredibly naive in ignoring that millions of Sikh's dream of capturing Pak Punjab as well with Lahore being the capital of their Khalistan. A Khalistan may or maybe beneficial for Pak in regards to solving Kashmir yet not at the expense of putting our Punjab in the firing line.

Don't be silly or childish!! Even today millions of Sikhs side with the BJP in hating Pakistan and Muslims which you would realise if you pulled your head from the sand so think maturely like a man. Oh I see so they have never attacked Muslim's without reason, you know nothing about the riots of 1947 so keep it shut instead of embarrassing yourself. They did not kill Muslims to escape persecution then did they?

I should not need to show you anything at all! There are millions of Sikhs like that guy on the youtube TV84 channel who forever calls for Pakistan to help the Sikh's in establishing Khaalistan. You just need to know where too look and how to effectively browse the web. Once again Pak will and should not help the Sikh's in forming Khalistan coz next they will be creating trouble in our Punjab. Kashmir will be resolved through shamsheer only that is Ghazwa-e-Hind.

You obviously have no knowledge or grasp of history rather an incredibly ignorant and foolish version that is laughable to put it mildly. Get used to my comments boy otherwise stay quiet coz i am not gonna be silenced by a cry baby like you! There is no need for me to even question your so called intelligence at all when your mail's make the lack of it so very clear. If you love Afghanistan more then Pakistan for the sake of being Pashtun then hop across the border and don't come back. You won't be missed at all. Once more I don't give a damn about your lovely Sikh's, understood?

 

[PakLFC]

For those pro-Khalistan Pakistanis like [MENTION=150793]RameezRambo_Fan[/MENTION] who keep on howling here I suggest you go and build Khalistan yourself if you have the courage and back bone. Expect a nice red face given to you when millions of pro-India Sikhs humiliate you by saying they don't want Khalistan. Strange that many Pakistanis here want Khalistan more then the Sikh's instead of sorting our own country out. Now some idiot here will show me an absurd Khalistan map made up by a fool from centuries back that never was that in the first place. Just coz some of our mislead Pathans want independence or a merger with Afghanistan does not mean all of them do, majority are loyal to Pakistan no doubt about it. Same applies to the Sikhs as well.

 

[USaqaf]

There is no such thing as Khalistan.
There is Punjab, majority of the Indian army generals and soldiers are Punjabi Sikhs.
They are more loyal to India than many other Indians sometimes, almost every house in Punjab has a picture of someone in the army.
The man who crushed the Khalistan movement was himself a Sikh.

 

[xbronze]

Hmm but still referendums have international reputations.

Can’t they take it to ICJ if India doesn’t cooperate considering the people vote to make Khalistan?

I didn't know that sovereign nations are to bifurcate or balkanize themselves into splintered nation states in response to some referendum carried out in another nation.

Wow, see we learn new things every day.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hmm but still referendums have international reputations.

Can’t they take it to ICJ if India doesn’t cooperate considering the people vote to make Khalistan?

What reputation?

If people in Canada or UK hold a referendum how does it affect Indians? Lol.

What ICJ?

Please be sensible.