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Low ticket sales for India’s tour of Australia

I’m not ignoring it by any means.

It is completely India’s fault that it was a Day match. They insisted upon it.

If Chelsea was allowed to insist that it would only play against Liverpool at Anfield at 3 o’clock in the morning, as a result of which the crowd was tiny, we would blame the people who insisted upon playing at Stupid o’clock.

India insisted upon playing at Adelaide at Stupid o’clock. The consequences in terms of a reduced crowd are nobody’s fault except India’s. To me it’s scandalous that they face no consequences.

Wait so if you agree all along that attendances are lower because it's a day match as everyone had been saying, then what's the point of this thread and why were you constantly saying India are less of a draw? It's "India's fault" that they chose a day match, true but they clearly do not care about the attendances being hit slightly. It is a cricketing decision, nothing to do with attendances. They refused because they were unsure about the preparation and still have doubts about the pink ball. They have had chances to host DN tests at home but have not done it for the same reasons.

It seems you're a bit confused tbh. Your arguments are contradictory and barely coherent at this point.
 
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Malcolm Knoxxwriting in Sydney Morning Herald ends his article with this

After three consecutive night Test matches in Adelaide, this week there is something lovely about the return to a traditional day-time game, heat and all. The restaurants of Adelaide, and tens of thousands of visitors who can enjoy the city, are appreciating the older way.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...of-heritage-over-novelty-20181206-p50kra.html

Restaurants appreciating day time tests! I thought they had been bankrupted :(
 
What?

As you well know, I denied your ludicrous argument that the best Aussie players would retire from Test cricket to play a year-round IPL.

I pointed out that they are happy to pimp themselves out to the IPL for 6 weeks per year, but they already earn more from Cricket Australia than top Aussie Rules and Rugby League players - who are their peers - earn, so they wouldn’t be willing to move to India to play Year-round IPL.

I am saying very clearly that for Brisbane and Adelaide’s sports economies, Day/Night Tests are an important component.

Brisbane has already turned down a Day Test with India this season in favour of a Day/Night Test against Sri Lanka.

It’s not that Adelaide needs India. It’s that Adelaide needs a Day/Night Test, and missed out this year not just on around 50,000 ticket sales generating $4 million, but also around 5,000 interstate visitors who would have delivered significant spending to the city.

No sports season lasts all year.

There will never be a "Year-round IPL".
 
What?

As you well know, I denied your ludicrous argument that the best Aussie players would retire from Test cricket to play a year-round IPL.

I pointed out that they are happy to pimp themselves out to the IPL for 6 weeks per year, but they already earn more from Cricket Australia than top Aussie Rules and Rugby League players - who are their peers - earn, so they wouldn’t be willing to move to India to play Year-round IPL.

I am saying very clearly that for Brisbane and Adelaide’s sports economies, Day/Night Tests are an important component.

Brisbane has already turned down a Day Test with India this season in favour of a Day/Night Test against Sri Lanka.

It’s not that Adelaide needs India. It’s that Adelaide needs a Day/Night Test, and missed out this year not just on around 50,000 ticket sales generating $4 million, but also around 5,000 interstate visitors who would have delivered significant spending to the city.

How did I miss this? Adds another lie to the list.

This is how the Aussie media reported Brisbane not hosting an India test

Brisbane misses out on India Test, will host Sri Lanka over Australia Day

GOLD Coast’s Metricon Stadium will host a major international match for the first time but the Gabba has been downgraded as a Test venue in cricket’s new summer schedule.

The Gabba Test however has been shunted to the Australia Day weekend in January when Sri Lanka will play a day-night fixture in the first Test of a two-Test series featuring another game in Canberra.

Brisbane has missed out on one of the four Tests against India earlier in the summer which have gone to Adelaide, Perth, Sydney and Melbourne.

Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland said earlier in the summer the Gabba’s place in the national pecking order had fallen and this schedule is proof of that.

Queensland officials are proud of Australia’s 30-year unbeaten record at the Gabba but the ground has been outstripped in the bidding process by more modern venues.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...y/news-story/a1b1ee8bac0ce70bae94b0f18adbe062

Note the choice of words - Gabba has been downgraded as a test venue, Gabba test shunted to Australia Day weekend, fall in the pecking order, Gabba has been outstripped

Keep them coming [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
 
How did I miss this? Adds another lie to the list.

This is how the Aussie media reported Brisbane not hosting an India test



https://www.news.com.au/sport/crick...y/news-story/a1b1ee8bac0ce70bae94b0f18adbe062

Note the choice of words - Gabba has been downgraded as a test venue, Gabba test shunted to Australia Day weekend, fall in the pecking order, Gabba has been outstripped

Keep them coming [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
Read your own article.

There is an assumption in it that Brisbane sought an India Test. But it is merely that - an assumption by the author that Brisbane applied for one. And that somehow Brisbane has fallen down a pecking order for hosting Tests.

In actual fact, Brisbane has had two consecutive years of highest ever Test attendances:

1. 2016-17 Record Non-Ashes attendance - Pakistan.

2. 2017-18 Record Ashes attendance.

I’m one of the first people who has actually bothered to publish the FACTS about attendances for hosting India. Pretty much everyone else just swallows the hype of the host boards (which get the Indian TV revenue even if the grounds are empty).

At least I’m even-handed. I’m also one of the few people who wrote about how hosting Pakistan v Australia in 2010 damaged Yorkshire County Cricket Club’s finances for a decade, when everyone assumed that Bradford had enough Pakistanis to make it a success.
 
Read your own article.

There is an assumption in it that Brisbane sought an India Test. But it is merely that - an assumption by the author that Brisbane applied for one. And that somehow Brisbane has fallen down a pecking order for hosting Tests.

In actual fact, Brisbane has had two consecutive years of highest ever Test attendances:

1. 2016-17 Record Non-Ashes attendance - Pakistan.

2. 2017-18 Record Ashes attendance.

I’m one of the first people who has actually bothered to publish the FACTS about attendances for hosting India. Pretty much everyone else just swallows the hype of the host boards (which get the Indian TV revenue even if the grounds are empty).

At least I’m even-handed. I’m also one of the few people who wrote about how hosting Pakistan v Australia in 2010 damaged Yorkshire County Cricket Club’s finances for a decade, when everyone assumed that Bradford had enough Pakistanis to make it a success.

This is an article by a completely different writer for a different paper who also seems to have the same opinion. Funny its becomes just an opinion when it does'nt support you.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...g-day-or-new-year-s-test-20181212-p50log.html

Perth's new $1.6 billion sports stadium wants to poach one of the two iconic events on the Australian cricket calendar - Melbourne's Boxing Day Test or Sydney's New Year's Test.

As 60,000-seat, technologically advanced Optus Stadium prepares to host Australia and India in its maiden Test, beginning Friday, venue boss Mike McKenna has revealed his intentions amid frustration from Perth cricket supporters that they do not have set date for a Test each summer.

While the Melbourne Cricket Club and the Victorian government's major events arm have warded off threats before, McKenna's comments come as the MCC's deal with Cricket Australia expires at the end of this summer, while the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust's deal with the governing body expires in 2022.

"I know that Cricket Australia will be looking to have those conversations and I dare say they will have the first conversation with the MCC but if the opportunity comes to talk to us, we would be very keen to have those conversations," McKenna said.

"We are always talking behind the scenes. We had a very good conversation with Cricket Australia and we know what the timings are and what the opportunities are. We would definitely have our oar into lots of things. That just doesn't include cricket, that is any and everything that is going around."

McKenna said he would discuss the issue with CA chairman Earl Eddings and chief executive Kevin Roberts during this week's second Test.

He is the former head of the Big Bash League and has a detailed understanding of how CA operates.

CA insists it has no intentions of changing its "venue hire agreement" with the MCG and the SCG, and the Tests almost certainly will remain at their traditional venues, but it has made it clear to all venues that financial returns from Tests are paramount. It is the traditional format which still largely bankrolls the sport. What a venue and state can provide to support the on-field action is also becoming increasingly important.

The WA government does not have an agreement with CA and would need to play a key role with Optus Stadium to have any chance of a successful raid. Destination NSW, for instance, has a deal with CA.

Cricket's governing body could put the squeeze on the NSW government to upgrade more facilities at the SCG otherwise face losing its Test but that appears unlikely, particularly as the government has pledged a significant sum towards the new $50 million centre of excellence at Sydney Olympic Park.

Brisbane's Gabba ground has suffered as a result of its aging facilities and has slipped in CA's pecking order because it needs an upgrade. The Gabba was overlooked from hosting India in its traditional opening Test of the summer, and will instead host Sri Lanka under lights in late January.

"I know that the government of WA who do work with us to invest in acquiring events like they have done - we have Manchester United coming next year - are keen to spend money on things that will attract people to come from interstate and overseas," McKenna said.

"I think the Boxing Day Test match, New Year's Test match, iconic events like that, if they were to become available, the government over here would be very keen to look at them, for sure.

"It's a decision for them (CA) but we as a venue, we are here to host the biggest and best events and if the opportunity came to host the Boxing Day Test here, or even the New Year's Test, we would be all over it.

"We are definitely keen to attract as many iconic events.

''If we could get an iconic cricket date - Australia Day has worked really well for SACA over the years. Things have now become a bit more fluid, so it's those sorts of date.''

The MCC did not wish to comment when contacted on Wednesday but the SCG is confident there will not be change.

The new Perth stadium, having been awarded a Test - at least for this year - ahead of the old WACA Ground, will be under pressure to deliver a strong crowd, with Roberts already expressing concerns about the lack of pre-match sales.

McKenna is expecting about 70,000 over the five days but that could change if there are strong walk-up sales and local supporters were buoyed by Australia's fighting effort in Adelaide.

The South Australian Cricket Association tipped 113,000 would attend its Test and it was all but on the mark.
 
Read your own article.

There is an assumption in it that Brisbane sought an India Test. But it is merely that - an assumption by the author that Brisbane applied for one. And that somehow Brisbane has fallen down a pecking order for hosting Tests.

In actual fact, Brisbane has had two consecutive years of highest ever Test attendances:

1. 2016-17 Record Non-Ashes attendance - Pakistan.

2. 2017-18 Record Ashes attendance.

I’m one of the first people who has actually bothered to publish the FACTS about attendances for hosting India. Pretty much everyone else just swallows the hype of the host boards (which get the Indian TV revenue even if the grounds are empty).

At least I’m even-handed. I’m also one of the few people who wrote about how hosting Pakistan v Australia in 2010 damaged Yorkshire County Cricket Club’s finances for a decade, when everyone assumed that Bradford had enough Pakistanis to make it a success.

Did Brisbane turn down a day test with India? Let us have supportive proofs and not made up statements.
 
Did Brisbane turn down a day test with India? Let us have supportive proofs and not made up statements.

Junaids is the spokesperson for each and every Australian cricket ground, hotel, restaurant and any thing related to Australia cricket.

No other opinions matter
 
Junaids is the spokesperson for each and every Australian cricket ground, hotel, restaurant and any thing related to Australia cricket.

No other opinions matter

Please add trains, buses, airlines etc to the list.....

I am just hoping that Australian economy just survives this Indian tour and avoid the catastrophe that has befallen it
 
Junaids is the spokesperson for each and every Australian cricket ground, hotel, restaurant and any thing related to Australia cricket.

No other opinions matter

Except that Junaids keeps quoting facts, which matter more than opinions.

Indian posters here are too being emotional to notice the difference.
 
This is an article by a completely different writer for a different paper who also seems to have the same opinion. Funny its becomes just an opinion when it does'nt support you.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...g-day-or-new-year-s-test-20181212-p50log.html

Perth's new $1.6 billion sports stadium wants to poach one of the two iconic events on the Australian cricket calendar - Melbourne's Boxing Day Test or Sydney's New Year's Test.

As 60,000-seat, technologically advanced Optus Stadium prepares to host Australia and India in its maiden Test, beginning Friday, venue boss Mike McKenna has revealed his intentions amid frustration from Perth cricket supporters that they do not have set date for a Test each summer.

While the Melbourne Cricket Club and the Victorian government's major events arm have warded off threats before, McKenna's comments come as the MCC's deal with Cricket Australia expires at the end of this summer, while the Sydney Cricket Ground Trust's deal with the governing body expires in 2022.

"I know that Cricket Australia will be looking to have those conversations and I dare say they will have the first conversation with the MCC but if the opportunity comes to talk to us, we would be very keen to have those conversations," McKenna said.

"We are always talking behind the scenes. We had a very good conversation with Cricket Australia and we know what the timings are and what the opportunities are. We would definitely have our oar into lots of things. That just doesn't include cricket, that is any and everything that is going around."

McKenna said he would discuss the issue with CA chairman Earl Eddings and chief executive Kevin Roberts during this week's second Test.

He is the former head of the Big Bash League and has a detailed understanding of how CA operates.

CA insists it has no intentions of changing its "venue hire agreement" with the MCG and the SCG, and the Tests almost certainly will remain at their traditional venues, but it has made it clear to all venues that financial returns from Tests are paramount. It is the traditional format which still largely bankrolls the sport. What a venue and state can provide to support the on-field action is also becoming increasingly important.

The WA government does not have an agreement with CA and would need to play a key role with Optus Stadium to have any chance of a successful raid. Destination NSW, for instance, has a deal with CA.

Cricket's governing body could put the squeeze on the NSW government to upgrade more facilities at the SCG otherwise face losing its Test but that appears unlikely, particularly as the government has pledged a significant sum towards the new $50 million centre of excellence at Sydney Olympic Park.

Brisbane's Gabba ground has suffered as a result of its aging facilities and has slipped in CA's pecking order because it needs an upgrade. The Gabba was overlooked from hosting India in its traditional opening Test of the summer, and will instead host Sri Lanka under lights in late January.

"I know that the government of WA who do work with us to invest in acquiring events like they have done - we have Manchester United coming next year - are keen to spend money on things that will attract people to come from interstate and overseas," McKenna said.

"I think the Boxing Day Test match, New Year's Test match, iconic events like that, if they were to become available, the government over here would be very keen to look at them, for sure.

"It's a decision for them (CA) but we as a venue, we are here to host the biggest and best events and if the opportunity came to host the Boxing Day Test here, or even the New Year's Test, we would be all over it.

"We are definitely keen to attract as many iconic events.

''If we could get an iconic cricket date - Australia Day has worked really well for SACA over the years. Things have now become a bit more fluid, so it's those sorts of date.''

The MCC did not wish to comment when contacted on Wednesday but the SCG is confident there will not be change.

The new Perth stadium, having been awarded a Test - at least for this year - ahead of the old WACA Ground, will be under pressure to deliver a strong crowd, with Roberts already expressing concerns about the lack of pre-match sales.

McKenna is expecting about 70,000 over the five days but that could change if there are strong walk-up sales and local supporters were buoyed by Australia's fighting effort in Adelaide.

The South Australian Cricket Association tipped 113,000 would attend its Test and it was all but on the mark.

Read the last 3 paragraphs.

Less people are expected to attend than even in Adelaide.

They are worried about low pre match sales. They are expecting 70,000 over the 5 days That is less than 15000 per day in a stadium that has 60000 capacity.

I don't understand why you guys have a bee in your bonets over this. Just accept the fact that Aussie public aren't that excited to see India and move on.
 
Except that Junaids keeps quoting facts, which matter more than opinions.

Indian posters here are too being emotional to notice the difference.

Correct. It's amusing that he has got under their skin so much with just some plain facts.
 
Read the last 3 paragraphs.

Less people are expected to attend than even in Adelaide.

They are worried about low pre match sales. They are expecting 70,000 over the 5 days That is less than 15000 per day in a stadium that has 60000 capacity.

I don't understand why you guys have a bee in your bonets over this. Just accept the fact that Aussie public aren't that excited to see India and move on.

That would surprise me, to be honest.

It’s the first ever Test at the new Perth Stadium, so I expected 40,000 on Friday and Saturday and 30,000 on Sunday as a bare minimum.

If not, they could have played virtually next door at the WACA which holds 24,500.

Obviously Perth must be due to suffer a combination of hot weather and train maintenance this weekend just like Adelaide, with outbreaks of sandpapering too.

After all, the real problem couldn’t possibly be India.....
 
That would surprise me, to be honest.

It’s the first ever Test at the new Perth Stadium, so I expected 40,000 on Friday and Saturday and 30,000 on Sunday as a bare minimum.

If not, they could have played virtually next door at the WACA which holds 24,500.

Obviously Perth must be due to suffer a combination of hot weather and train maintenance this weekend just like Adelaide, with outbreaks of sandpapering too.

After all, the real problem couldn’t possibly be India.....

Quite conveniently we are now taking opinions as facts again are we.
 
Perth stadium closes seats due to low India ticket sales

Well, after Adelaide broke its record for the lowest ever ticket sales at the redeveloped Oval, Perth has now decided to close the top tier of seats (20,000 out of 61,000 seats per day) due to low ticket sales for the Australia v India Test starting tomorrow.

Source: https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/p...ia-cricket-test-match-in-perth-ng-b881036361z

Hundreds of ticket holders who had bought some of the seats have now been moved to unsold seats in the lower levels. The views are just as good, but the replacement seats are lower down and less shaded.

This is the maiden Test for Perth stadium, and the Test was moved here on the basis that the WACA (which holds 24,500) lacked sufficient capacity to host India.

We will see. Personally I’d expect a bumper crowd for ANY opposition - even India - in the First Test at the new Perth Stadium.
 
You should have added a trigger warning to the title Junaids.

Expect to be reminded how powerful and big BCCI and Indian cricket is. It's only your opinion that tickets are not selling.
 
You should have added a trigger warning to the title Junaids.

Expect to be reminded how powerful and big BCCI and Indian cricket is. It's only your opinion that tickets are not selling.
No, I’m sure that it’s because they have scheduled the Test for the cricket season, when it’s hot.

Or maybe the trains aren’t working.

Or maybe Cameron Bancroft - who lives in Perth - has been seen with sandpaper again....
 
That would surprise me, to be honest.

It’s the first ever Test at the new Perth Stadium, so I expected 40,000 on Friday and Saturday and 30,000 on Sunday as a bare minimum.

If not, they could have played virtually next door at the WACA which holds 24,500.

Obviously Perth must be due to suffer a combination of hot weather and train maintenance this weekend just like Adelaide, with outbreaks of sandpapering too.

After all, the real problem couldn’t possibly be India.....

Of course, it has to be India. Aussies losing several tests in a row, their premier batsmen Warner and Smith not playing, or their disgust with their own team leadership caught cheating would have absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
So what is your definition of a bumper crowd, if I may?
The WACA holds 24,500.

So allowing India to play at Perth Stadium (capacity 61,000) is only justified on days when the attendance exceeds 24,500.

So I would say the following:

1. As the maiden Test in a new stadium in a city larger than Adelaide, the minimum target attendance should be:

Friday - Day 1 - 35,000.
Saturday - Day 2 - 40,000.
Sunday - Day 3 - 30,000.
Monday and Tuesday are working days, and 12,000 would be okay.

2. The minimum total attendance over the five days would be around 70,000, even if this was at the WACA, let alone Perth Stadium.

3. Hosting India at Perth Stadium is a flat-out FAIL on any day that the crowd is less than the 24,500 which the WACA would hold.

Using the WACA costs less than half as much per day as using Perth Stadium.

So we will soon see not just how viable India is at Perth Stadium but whether Perth Stadium is too big for non-Ashes Test Cricket.

I’m still hoping for 35-40,000 on each of the first two days.
 
Just goes to show how much the sandpaper gate has affected the Australian audience's interest in cricket. How long until they leave this issue behind them?
 
I think the low interest is not because of the India being the opponents. The low interest is because the home fans don't rate the current Australian team. After the Adelaide loss it might have just gotten stronger. Not only India, any team visits Australia except for England will face similar fate. Even the T20's and ODI series against SA were played in front of near empty stadiums.
 
Look at the crowd for previous India vs Australia series. It is just that the ball tampering saga and poor Australian team has made the cricket fans turn away from watching their team.
 
No, I’m sure that it’s because they have scheduled the Test for the cricket season, when it’s hot.

Or maybe the trains aren’t working.

Or maybe Cameron Bancroft - who lives in Perth - has been seen with sandpaper again....

Sandpaper, I thought in your alternate universe this sandpaper gate never happened and had no impact on anything.
 
The WACA holds 24,500.

So allowing India to play at Perth Stadium (capacity 61,000) is only justified on days when the attendance exceeds 24,500.

Excellent - logical for most part, except that they did not build the new $2B stadium to accommodate just Indian games. They would be hoping that all other teams that would play at Perth would have a greater fill than old WACA stadium, logical?

So I would say the following:

1. As the maiden Test in a new stadium in a city larger than Adelaide, the minimum target attendance should be:

Friday - Day 1 - 35,000.
Saturday - Day 2 - 40,000.
Sunday - Day 3 - 30,000.
Monday and Tuesday are working days, and 12,000 would be okay.

So what algorithm did you use to come up with these numbers? Normally, when analytical people produce numbers, they have certain criteria - some historical numbers, some data that they have conjured from different sources etc., right? Here are the last Ashes numbers, and mind you, nobody, and I repeat NOBODY will beat Ashes attendance numbers - that series has historical significance.

waca_numbers.jpg

So you are telling me that YOU are expecting 43% increase in numbers on Friday, 63% increase on Saturday, and 22% increase on Sunday? And this given the above numbers that I posted for Ashes and other highest attended cricket games at WACA. Do you now see how absurd you sound when data is presented? India is nowhere to be seen in that highest attendance even before this current Cricket team, and for that matter any other country except England. I'm pretty sure CA would love to get around the highest attendance numbers for the India Test match - if it goes higher then that's a bonus.

2. The minimum total attendance over the five days would be around 70,000, even if this was at the WACA, let alone Perth Stadium.

The last Ashes when Australia was a winning team with everyone interested in watching a winning team, no scandals, all top players present and available played, about 91,000 spectators attended the Test match at the WACA. And this is the ASHES I'm talking about. There were thousands of seats available on most days of the Test match.

2017ashes_attendance.jpg

So expectations for an non-Ashes match, with Australia not doing well, mired in scandal, top players not playing, and CA not selling seats with shades on 38 degree days, must be reined in. Else be ready for disappointment.

3. Hosting India at Perth Stadium is a flat-out FAIL on any day that the crowd is less than the 24,500 which the WACA would hold.
Using the WACA costs less than half as much per day as using Perth Stadium.

So Cricket Australia did not just move out of WACA because it could only hold 24k people. The stadium was not up to scratch. It was not a choice they made to save money.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/waca-ground-future-under-microscope-with-committee-report-due-december/2014-07-15

"In announcing that Perth was missing from this summer's schedule of Test matches, Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland said facilities in the west were not up to scratch.

“Though a traditional Test match venue with a proud history, the WACA Ground has the smallest capacity of the five mainland Test venues and has historically attracted lower attendances," said Sutherland."

So we will soon see not just how viable India is at Perth Stadium but whether Perth Stadium is too big for non-Ashes Test Cricket.

I’m still hoping for 35-40,000 on each of the first two days.

Non-Ashes cricket will never surpass Ashes, that's a given.
35-40k will not happen, as I wrote above your expectations are way too high.
 
How much is the gate revenue in comparison to the Broadcast revenue anyways?

Having a full crowd only benefits from a cricketing point of view as the players get tested in front of jam packed crowds
 
The agreement is whenever there are more than 60000 people expected to attend a test, the test will move to Optus stadium, which is why Optus is hosting us and expects a crowd of 70000.

Report from 7th December

Cricket Australia has forecast a total crowd of just 70,000 for the inaugural Test at Optus Stadium after reporting unexpectedly low ticket sales.

Widespread disillusionment with Australian cricket, and the game’s lack of history at the new 55,000-capacity venue were given as reasons for the poor ticket sales which could have an impact on future Tests at the billion-dollar stadium.

The 70,000 figure is critical because 60,000 is the threshold figure to transfer Tests from the WACA Ground to the new venue.

https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/c...st-between-australia-and-india-ng-b881044476z
 
A few people being banned now as inability to respond in a civil manner to a view you dont like seems to be a problem.
 
Excellent - logical for most part, except that they did not build the new $2B stadium to accommodate just Indian games. They would be hoping that all other teams that would play at Perth would have a greater fill than old WACA stadium, logical?



So what algorithm did you use to come up with these numbers? Normally, when analytical people produce numbers, they have certain criteria - some historical numbers, some data that they have conjured from different sources etc., right? Here are the last Ashes numbers, and mind you, nobody, and I repeat NOBODY will beat Ashes attendance numbers - that series has historical significance.

View attachment 86417

So you are telling me that YOU are expecting 43% increase in numbers on Friday, 63% increase on Saturday, and 22% increase on Sunday? And this given the above numbers that I posted for Ashes and other highest attended cricket games at WACA. Do you now see how absurd you sound when data is presented? India is nowhere to be seen in that highest attendance even before this current Cricket team, and for that matter any other country except England. I'm pretty sure CA would love to get around the highest attendance numbers for the India Test match - if it goes higher then that's a bonus.



The last Ashes when Australia was a winning team with everyone interested in watching a winning team, no scandals, all top players present and available played, about 91,000 spectators attended the Test match at the WACA. And this is the ASHES I'm talking about. There were thousands of seats available on most days of the Test match.

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So expectations for an non-Ashes match, with Australia not doing well, mired in scandal, top players not playing, and CA not selling seats with shades on 38 degree days, must be reined in. Else be ready for disappointment.



So Cricket Australia did not just move out of WACA because it could only hold 24k people. The stadium was not up to scratch. It was not a choice they made to save money.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/waca-ground-future-under-microscope-with-committee-report-due-december/2014-07-15

"In announcing that Perth was missing from this summer's schedule of Test matches, Cricket Australia CEO James Sutherland said facilities in the west were not up to scratch.

“Though a traditional Test match venue with a proud history, the WACA Ground has the smallest capacity of the five mainland Test venues and has historically attracted lower attendances," said Sutherland."



Non-Ashes cricket will never surpass Ashes, that's a given.
35-40k will not happen, as I wrote above your expectations are way too high.

LOL that's a proper knock out punch.

Can't even bring the bankruptcy of hotels, restaurants and airlines as the expected crowd is of 70000 vs 93000 for the last Ashes test.

ODI vs South Africa had 24000 attendance.
 
test cricket is quickly becoming irrelevant to casual fans.

People may feel some way about it, but it is the truth.
 
The last Ashes when Australia was a winning team with everyone interested in watching a winning team, no scandals, all top players present and available played, about 91,000 spectators attended the Test match at the WACA. And this is the ASHES I'm talking about. There were thousands of seats available on most days of the Test match.

I think OP wants to see no empty seats in Ind-Aus series. May be Ind-Aus rivalry is really strong in OP's mind to have crowd expectations higher than Ashes.

I personally don't think that Ind-Aus rivalry is bigger than Ashes, but then everyone has their own mind.
 
I will ask the same question that I asked in the other thread...

Why is that it is India's fault when there are empty seats on the ground for test matches in India and also it is India's fault when there are empty seats on the ground when India tours other countries?
 
One has to feel bad for the Indian team. They have shown up like rockstars with media coverage, BCCI documentary etc behind them. Hell, they even won the first test match thanks to Pujara's flash in the pan innings. However they are playing against nobodies in front of no one at all.

It's like being locked in a soundproof box going insane, you can scream as loud as you want but no one can hear you.
 
What is Junaid obsession with India and pakistan? is he pakistani? I always thought he was Australian. his most of thread is actually bashing India or about pakistan. He hardly makes thread about England or Australia where he claims he is living .
Now on the topic whether India is profitable or not let the broadcasting channel decide.

Whether India is profitable or not was never questioned. Of course it is.

The point is something entirely different.
 
One has to feel bad for the Indian team. They have shown up like rockstars with media coverage, BCCI documentary etc behind them. Hell, they even won the first test match thanks to Pujara's flash in the pan innings. However they are playing against nobodies in front of no one at all.

It's like being locked in a soundproof box going insane, you can scream as loud as you want but no one can hear you.

LOL 113k people over 5 days in a test and 132k in 3 T20s is playing infront of no one at all? Playing against an Aussie team at its full bowling attack+ keeper+ 3 frontline batsmen is playing against nobodies?

By the end of this series, total attendance would have easily crossed 700000 (across formats), playing in front of no one at all indeed.
 
One has to feel bad for the Indian team. They have shown up like rockstars with media coverage, BCCI documentary etc behind them. Hell, they even won the first test match thanks to Pujara's flash in the pan innings. However they are playing against nobodies in front of no one at all.

It's like being locked in a soundproof box going insane, you can scream as loud as you want but no one can hear you.
Really, you should not comment about India performance when your own team is whitewashed by sl and loose to NZ in your own backyard with 2 people in crowd.
India and Indian team is Rockstar no doubt about it. We should be posting some good thread about cricket not business.
 
I think the low interest is not because of the India being the opponents. The low interest is because the home fans don't rate the current Australian team. After the Adelaide loss it might have just gotten stronger. Not only India, any team visits Australia except for England will face similar fate. Even the T20's and ODI series against SA were played in front of near empty stadiums.

Look at the crowd for previous India vs Australia series. It is just that the ball tampering saga and poor Australian team has made the cricket fans turn away from watching their team.
Funny you should say that.

Four years ago, with no sandpaper story, India attracted 113,000 spectators to the Adelaide Oval for a Day Test.

Last week they attracted 112,000 spectators to the Adelaide Oval for a Day Test.

So the impact of the sandpaper issue has been at most a loss of just under 1% of the attendance.

The bigger problem is this.

When Pakistan in 2016-17 set the record for the highest ever non-Ashes Test attendance at Brisbane it was their first Test there for 17 years.

But India are playing their third Test at Adelaide and Perth in 7 years.

It’s overfamiliarity breeding disinterest. Nobody wants to see ANYONE visit that often, let alone India.
 
The agreement is whenever there are more than 60000 people expected to attend a test, the test will move to Optus stadium, which is why Optus is hosting us and expects a crowd of 70000.

Report from 7th December



https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/c...st-between-australia-and-india-ng-b881044476z
And as is being openly discussed now, the “move any Test averaging 15,000 fans per day from the WACA to Perth Stadium” logic has already been exposed as ludicrous.

AFL fans in Perth wanted a new stadium, and the argument used was to copy Adelaide and the MCG by having a multipurpose stadium.

But the decision was taken to keep the WACA for smaller matches.

Adelaide has a much smaller population than Perth, and even it gets 130-160,000 spectators for its Test matches so long as India aren’t playing.

The problem is, having the WACA still there screams the question “Why play at Perth Stadium if the crowd is less than the WACA’s capacity?”

Nobody would let India play a Wellington Test at the Cake Tin Stadium instead of the tiny Basin Reserve. Nobody would dream of it.

And last week’s decision to close off the top tier of Perth Stadium and to move existing ticket holders arose when it suddenly dawned on the authorities that India couldn’t even sell out the WACA, let alone Perth Stadium, and this match has been scheduled for a ground that’s much too big for India.

Believe me, the whole “any match attracting 60+ thousand fans” model won’t survive the debacle of this India Test.

The WACA will host 20 and 50 overs international cricket only, plus Ashes Tests. The stadium is just too big for India or Pakistan.
 
Mods, not sure if this is the right place to put in this request.

Please can you merge this thread with the one about record low sales at Adelaide. One thread of Low attendance for India matches or something of that sort
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[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
Why don't you delete this thread, it seems a hate thread than opinion. It's cricket platform and it's good if there are constructive discussion on cricket rather than posting crowd number for each and every Indian match to prove, I don't know what. I believe everyone should have their opinion but don't you think this thread has nothing to do with this platform motto.
That's my opinion, it's up to you and it's good if u have any opinion about this thread.
 
And as is being openly discussed now, the “move any Test averaging 15,000 fans per day from the WACA to Perth Stadium” logic has already been exposed as ludicrous.

AFL fans in Perth wanted a new stadium, and the argument used was to copy Adelaide and the MCG by having a multipurpose stadium.

But the decision was taken to keep the WACA for smaller matches.

Adelaide has a much smaller population than Perth, and even it gets 130-160,000 spectators for its Test matches so long as India aren’t playing.

The problem is, having the WACA still there screams the question “Why play at Perth Stadium if the crowd is less than the WACA’s capacity?”

Nobody would let India play a Wellington Test at the Cake Tin Stadium instead of the tiny Basin Reserve. Nobody would dream of it.

And last week’s decision to close off the top tier of Perth Stadium and to move existing ticket holders arose when it suddenly dawned on the authorities that India couldn’t even sell out the WACA, let alone Perth Stadium, and this match has been scheduled for a ground that’s much too big for India.

Believe me, the whole “any match attracting 60+ thousand fans” model won’t survive the debacle of this India Test.

The WACA will host 20 and 50 overs international cricket only, plus Ashes Tests. The stadium is just too big for India or Pakistan.

Once again all that is YOUR view. Threshold of 60000 is reported in Australian media by people who have been writing about cricket. WACA was earlier expecting 100k attendance over 5 days, so no selling out old WACA stadium is no comparison.

If say on any of the days (most likely Day 2 which is a Saturday) 25000 people turn up at Optus and 12-13000 over other days, that would be a good enough justification for moving the Test.

Maximum attendance at Old WACA was 24000 last year, with total 90000 over 5 days. A week back, WACA officials expected 70000 attendance and since then the close fight in 1st test would mean additional 10-15000 turning up. So a total of 80-85000.
 
And as is being openly discussed now, the “move any Test averaging 15,000 fans per day from the WACA to Perth Stadium” logic has already been exposed as ludicrous.

AFL fans in Perth wanted a new stadium, and the argument used was to copy Adelaide and the MCG by having a multipurpose stadium.

But the decision was taken to keep the WACA for smaller matches.

Adelaide has a much smaller population than Perth, and even it gets 130-160,000 spectators for its Test matches so long as India aren’t playing.

The problem is, having the WACA still there screams the question “Why play at Perth Stadium if the crowd is less than the WACA’s capacity?”

Nobody would let India play a Wellington Test at the Cake Tin Stadium instead of the tiny Basin Reserve. Nobody would dream of it.

And last week’s decision to close off the top tier of Perth Stadium and to move existing ticket holders arose when it suddenly dawned on the authorities that India couldn’t even sell out the WACA, let alone Perth Stadium, and this match has been scheduled for a ground that’s much too big for India.

Believe me, the whole “any match attracting 60+ thousand fans” model won’t survive the debacle of this India Test.

The WACA will host 20 and 50 overs international cricket only, plus Ashes Tests. The stadium is just too big for India or Pakistan.

I answered this and all your other illogical assumptions above to which you had no answer back. So you just chose to ignore the facts and kept your illogical rants devoid of any facts going. Pathetic!
 
Didn't know that part of the contract between CA and BCCI was to ensure business profits for CAB aggregators , restaurants, museums, cinemas and malls in the hosting locations.

Man! the BCCI has huge responsibility towards world properity. Huge shoes to fill indeed
 
I answered this and all your other illogical assumptions above to which you had no answer back. So you just chose to ignore the facts and kept your illogical rants devoid of any facts going. Pathetic!

Come on let him have it, his team just lost at home to Kiwis. He needs to keep coming up with such stuff and anyone who "claims" to be a doctor in Australia has way too much free time.

Its also funny how if a stadium is empty during a home series in India, it is India's fault of prioritizing IPL and killing cricket for money and what not and now even if Australia isnt drawing much crowd(which again is arguable), Its India's fault again.
 
I think what Junaids is trying to say here is that; too much of one thing is not good and it is fair enough. However cricket Australia just makes too much money from an Indian tour, for instance a tour by Pakistan with sold out stadiums, along with sold out hotel rooms & booked out restaurants, but will hardly generates any money for cricket Australia in comparison to an India tour :(, so they will want to host India as often as possible. I know it is a sad reality that Cricket Australia will only think of money when they should be thinking of money last and morality first, afterall sports is all about honesty and morals as we have seen over the years. Cricket Australia getting green (Cha Ching) means strong foundation for Australian cricket, which means they do not care if Stadiums don't fill, restaurants being empty, hotel rooms being uninhabited etc..
 
https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/cricket/ticket-sales-slow-for-optus-stadium-test-between-australia-and-india-ng-b881044476z

Widespread disillusionment with Australian cricket, and the game’s lack of history at the new 55,000-capacity venue were given as reasons for the poor ticket sales which could have an impact on future Tests at the billion-dollar stadium.

Basically the Australian people are not happy with the Australian team

WACA chief executive Christina Matthews predicted last month that crowds of 40,000, 34,000 and 26,000 were expected for the first three days of the second Test.But CA has since revised its projections to take into account the unexpectedly low response from the Indian community.
Indians too are not interested in the game.
 
That would surprise me, to be honest.

It’s the first ever Test at the new Perth Stadium, so I expected 40,000 on Friday and Saturday and 30,000 on Sunday as a bare minimum.

If not, they could have played virtually next door at the WACA which holds 24,500.

Obviously Perth must be due to suffer a combination of hot weather and train maintenance this weekend just like Adelaide, with outbreaks of sandpapering too.

After all, the real problem couldn’t possibly be India.....

So I suggested an expectation of 110,000 ticket sales for the first three days at Perth.

And surprise surprise, the Western Australian Cricket Association CEO herself stated that the match was scheduled for Perth Stadium instead of the WACA due to an expectation of 100,000 ticket sales for days 1 to 3 of the India Test.

Source: https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/c...st-between-australia-and-india-ng-b881044476z

But ticket sales for the Perth Test are even worse than they were at Adelaide, and the hosts must be kicking themselves for using a stadium which is just far too big for India.

Now they think they might only get 70,000 for the whole Test, which means that even the little WACA would have been 45% unsold, whereas Perth Stadium is going to be 80% unsold.
 
So I suggested an expectation of 110,000 ticket sales for the first three days at Perth.

And surprise surprise, the Western Australian Cricket Association CEO herself stated that the match was scheduled for Perth Stadium instead of the WACA due to an expectation of 100,000 ticket sales for days 1 to 3 of the India Test.

Source: https://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/c...st-between-australia-and-india-ng-b881044476z

But ticket sales for the Perth Test are even worse than they were at Adelaide, and the hosts must be kicking themselves for using a stadium which is just far too big for India.

Now they think they might only get 70,000 for the whole Test, which means that even the little WACA would have been 45% unsold, whereas Perth Stadium is going to be 80% unsold.

Again lying no where does your own article state that the reason for hosting it at the new stadium was bigger crowds the whole article doesn't even mention WACA other than posting India's 2011 crowd figures, when will you stop posting your opinions as other people's facts.
 
Just goes to show how much the sandpaper gate has affected the Australian audience's interest in cricket. How long until they leave this issue behind them?

Lol the Sandpaper gate issue will be resolved and forgotten by the next Ashes home tour
 
I think Australia should give india 1 test series also at every 100 years as India is worst team ever to visit
I hope this will make OP happy now
 
Do ticket sales against India count? Just like runs against Sri Lanka? Or test matches against NZ? :moyo2
 
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
Why don't you delete this thread, it seems a hate thread than opinion. It's cricket platform and it's good if there are constructive discussion on cricket rather than posting crowd number for each and every Indian match to prove, I don't know what. I believe everyone should have their opinion but don't you think this thread has nothing to do with this platform motto.
That's my opinion, it's up to you and it's good if u have any opinion about this thread.

When obfuscation doesn't work resort to begging for the thread to be deleted :facepalm:
 
Again lying no where does your own article state that the reason for hosting it at the new stadium was bigger crowds the whole article doesn't even mention WACA other than posting India's 2011 crowd figures, when will you stop posting your opinions as other people's facts.

You should read the article you provided.
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is posting facts, all I see is obfuscation from the likes of you here... just accept the obvious.
 
21000 people expected to attend day 1 as per WACA.
Which is 3,500 less than the WACA could have held.

As shown above, Christina Matthews has planned the venue to be Perth Stadium instead of the WACA on the expectation of 40,000 spectators today.

It’s looking like the belief that India is a bigger drawcard than it really is has led the WA Cricket Association to make a catastrophically bad economic decision to hold the match at a ground which is too big for the actual demand for tickets.

Now it’s too late to move back, and they have tried to cut their losses by closing the top tier of seats.
 
By the way, as we wait to see what unfolds, here are the key pieces of data:

Perth stadium capacity 61,000
WACA capacity 24,500.

Adelaide population 1.28 million
Last week’s Adelaide Day 1 crowd: 23,802.

Perth population 1.95 million
Original Perth Day 1 predicted demand: 40,000 tickets

Original Perth Days 1-3 predicted demand: 100,000 tickets.
 
No response to the above links?

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

You know as well as I do that for Cricket Australia, the drawback of the Gabba is that it “only” holds 42,000.

They seem to have believed the BCCI’s hype about being the second biggest drawcard after the Ashes. They thought they needed a bigger stadium for India, lol.

The thing is, the Indian crowd fiascos at the Adelaide Oval in 2014 and 2018 bookend much bigger attendances for more in-demand teams - not just England but even New Zealand and South Africa.

Frankly, you can discount nonsense like “better in-stadium wifi” for India from now on.

Unless they deliver crowds of at least the WACA’s 24,500 on Days 1 to 3 at Perth, India can forget about Perth Stadium in 2020.

If India can’t manage that these next three days they will have to be grateful if in 2020 they get offered the WACA and its temporary plastic toilets.
 
You know as well as I do that for Cricket Australia, the drawback of the Gabba is that it “only” holds 42,000.

They seem to have believed the BCCI’s hype about being the second biggest drawcard after the Ashes. They thought they needed a bigger stadium for India, lol.

The thing is, the Indian crowd fiascos at the Adelaide Oval in 2014 and 2018 bookend much bigger attendances for more in-demand teams - not just England but even New Zealand and South Africa.

Frankly, you can discount nonsense like “better in-stadium wifi” for India from now on.

Unless they deliver crowds of at least the WACA’s 24,500 on Days 1 to 3 at Perth, India can forget about Perth Stadium in 2020.

If India can’t manage that these next three days they will have to be grateful if in 2020 they get offered the WACA and its temporary plastic toilets.

This is so savage lol.
 
By the way, as we wait to see what unfolds, here are the key pieces of data:

Perth stadium capacity 61,000
WACA capacity 24,500.

Adelaide population 1.28 million
Last week’s Adelaide Day 1 crowd: 23,802.

Perth population 1.95 million
Original Perth Day 1 predicted demand: 40,000 tickets

Original Perth Days 1-3 predicted demand: 100,000 tickets.

What's your source for 'predicted demand'. The fact that its 40 degrees and CA have made the shaded seats unavailable is sure to have an impact on the turnout...
 
You know as well as I do that for Cricket Australia, the drawback of the Gabba is that it “only” holds 42,000.

They seem to have believed the BCCI’s hype about being the second biggest drawcard after the Ashes. They thought they needed a bigger stadium for India, lol.

The thing is, the Indian crowd fiascos at the Adelaide Oval in 2014 and 2018 bookend much bigger attendances for more in-demand teams - not just England but even New Zealand and South Africa.

Frankly, you can discount nonsense like “better in-stadium wifi” for India from now on.

Unless they deliver crowds of at least the WACA’s 24,500 on Days 1 to 3 at Perth, India can forget about Perth Stadium in 2020.

If India can’t manage that these next three days they will have to be grateful if in 2020 they get offered the WACA and its temporary plastic toilets.

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, expected Day 1 is about 21,000. Nice of you to pad that number and then declare victory later.

How many times are you going to get called on your ** before you slink away in embarassment? Do runs against SL count?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/t20-rules-in-perth-after-sluggish-test-ticket-sales-20181213-p50m0c.html
 
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, expected Day 1 is about 21,000. Nice of you to pad that number and then declare victory later.

How many times are you going to get called on your ** before you slink away in embarassment? Do runs against SL count?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/t20-rules-in-perth-after-sluggish-test-ticket-sales-20181213-p50m0c.html
The WACA holds 24,500. If the crowd falls short of that it has literally been a waste of time and money to switch to the bigger venue.
 
You know as well as I do that for Cricket Australia, the drawback of the Gabba is that it “only” holds 42,000.

They seem to have believed the BCCI’s hype about being the second biggest drawcard after the Ashes. They thought they needed a bigger stadium for India, lol.

The thing is, the Indian crowd fiascos at the Adelaide Oval in 2014 and 2018 bookend much bigger attendances for more in-demand teams - not just England but even New Zealand and South Africa.

Frankly, you can discount nonsense like “better in-stadium wifi” for India from now on.

Unless they deliver crowds of at least the WACA’s 24,500 on Days 1 to 3 at Perth, India can forget about Perth Stadium in 2020.

If India can’t manage that these next three days they will have to be grateful if in 2020 they get offered the WACA and its temporary plastic toilets.

What India will be offered will be dependent on CA. You are not the CA. So you will not get to decide that. No matter how much false propoganda you try to spreas on PP.
 
What savage? Will JunaidS decide what will be offered to India? Leave Junaid, no Pakistani will be deciding that. CA will decide it and they have not complained once.

Infact no one other than CA will decide this. Not me not you certainly not JunaidS.
 
You know as well as I do that for Cricket Australia, the drawback of the Gabba is that it “only” holds 42,000.

They seem to have believed the BCCI’s hype about being the second biggest drawcard after the Ashes. They thought they needed a bigger stadium for India, lol.

The thing is, the Indian crowd fiascos at the Adelaide Oval in 2014 and 2018 bookend much bigger attendances for more in-demand teams - not just England but even New Zealand and South Africa.

Frankly, you can discount nonsense like “better in-stadium wifi” for India from now on.

Unless they deliver crowds of at least the WACA’s 24,500 on Days 1 to 3 at Perth, India can forget about Perth Stadium in 2020.

If India can’t manage that these next three days they will have to be grateful if in 2020 they get offered the WACA and its temporary plastic toilets.

So the authorities that run CA and all the local state bodies who are competing for hosting rights - and are privy to more information than you and me - don't know what they are doing but you do ?
 
The WACA should've been enough to hold this amount of spectators, I think even that might've had 30-40% seats free.
 
By the way, as we wait to see what unfolds, here are the key pieces of data:

Perth stadium capacity 61,000
WACA capacity 24,500.

Adelaide population 1.28 million
Last week’s Adelaide Day 1 crowd: 23,802.

Perth population 1.95 million
Original Perth Day 1 predicted demand: 40,000 tickets

Original Perth Days 1-3 predicted demand: 100,000 tickets.

you are not wasting your time in these stats and making your mockery here. Australian are poor people they can't afford ticket to cricket match. Now go and get some peace and ice.
 
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Lies lies and just more lies.

Where is a source to your claim that everyone in australia buy tickets 6 months in advance?

Here, from the Chief Executive of Cricket Australia.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...manent-day-night-test-ca-20181206-p50kq1.html

As he says, walk-up ticket sales are low and so pre-sales usually closely resemble final sales.

So it totally rebutts the argument that hot weather left the stadia empty at Adelaide and Perth.

(He also added that India’s refusal to play Adelaide as a Day/Night fixture reduced the attendance by 15,000 each day).
 
Here, from the Chief Executive of Cricket Australia.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...manent-day-night-test-ca-20181206-p50kq1.html

As he says, walk-up ticket sales are low and so pre-sales usually closely resemble final sales.

So it totally rebutts the argument that hot weather left the stadia empty at Adelaide and Perth.

(He also added that India’s refusal to play Adelaide as a Day/Night fixture reduced the attendance by 15,000 each day).

From the same link that you posted.

"There were mitigating circumstances with temperatures hitting a stifling 40 degrees"

"Roberts said it would also be "naive" not to think the ball-tampering scandal had had an impact, with the team losing the respect of many across the nation."

Your giving your self some self pwnage.
 
How does it matter what the attendance is? It is Australia's problem let them figure out how to draw more interest. Our aim is to win the series, not at all bothered by whether Australia's economy is benefited or not. If Australian fans are too lazy to get their bums off the sofa, how is it our concern? If you don't like Indian tours make a petition to CA to give up hosting rights of the 2020 series so that we don't have to wait for 6 years to play Aus at home.
 
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