Major boost for PTI as IHC acquits Imran, Qureshi in cipher case [Update on Post #342]

[BouncerGuy]

Imran, Qureshi sentenced to 10 years in jail in cipher case

A special court established under the Official Secrets Act on Tuesday handed both former premier Imran Khan and ex-foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi 10 years in jail in the cipher case.

The verdict comes a little over a week to go before the February 8 general elections, which the PTI is contesting amid a state crackdown on the party and without an electoral symbol.

The cipher case pertains to a diplomatic document that the Federal Investigation Agency’s charge sheet alleges was never returned by Imran. The PTI has long held that the document contained a threat from the United States to oust Imran as prime minister.

In December, the Supreme Court had approved the post-arrest bails of Imran and Qureshi. While Imran remained incarcerated in other cases, Qureshi’s expected release was also stalled as he was manhandled and re-arrested in a fresh May 9 case.

Days later, Justice Miangul Hasan Aurangzeb had restrained the special court from proceeding against the suspects — including Qureshi — till Jan 11, noting that there were “legal errors” in the case.

The special court had begun the cipher trial afresh last month at the Adiala district jail after Imran and Qureshi were indicted for a second time in the case on December 13.

The former premier and Qureshi, who is also behind bars, were first indicted in the case in October. Both had pleaded not guilty. The IHC had termed the government’s notification for a jail trial “erroneous” and scrapped the entire proceedings.

Last week, state defence counsels had been appointed due to the previously appointed ones who had agreed to conduct cross-examinations not appearing in the next two court hearings.

Imran had said the trial was nothing less than a “joke” because the prosecution and defence team both belonged to the government.

SOURCE: DAWN

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Popcorn time in India as news channel here will go nuts now..

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

Happy that fake pir Qureshi got sentenced but feel kinda sad for Imran, probably the most elite athlete from subcontinent.

 

[MenInG]

Am sure an appeal will happen.

 

[Rajdeep]

Though never liked Imran as PM since he was very anti India but feeling sad as he was a great cricketer and didn't deserve this harsh punishment. He should have left Pakistan after his govt was toppled. Even Subhash Chandra Bose left India and fought his battle from overseas. 10 years jail time meaning his political career is over. Also who knows, the kangaroo court may keep him in jail even after 10 years.

 

[Azzurri]

That’s Pakistani puppet courts for you. This country is destined to be doomed

 

[CricketCartoons]

Though never liked Imran as PM since he was very anti India but feeling sad as he was a great cricketer and didn't deserve this harsh punishment. He should have left Pakistan after his govt was toppled. Even Subhash Chandra Bose left India and fought his battle from overseas. 10 years jail time meaning his political career is over. Also who knows, the kangaroo court may keep him in jail even after 10 years.

This is on the pakistani people. Whatever his flaws may be, he intended well for his country. And if his supporters are allowing this to happen, then they do not have anyone else to blame. Some poster was calling it the resilience of pakistanis.

 

[Bewal Express]

Happy that fake pir Qureshi got sentenced but feel kinda sad for Imran, probably the most elite athlete from subcontinent.

Fake pir or not, he has stood tall in IKs hour of need on totally fake charges

 

[Bewal Express]

Though never liked Imran as PM since he was very anti India but feeling sad as he was a great cricketer and didn't deserve this harsh punishment. He should have left Pakistan after his govt was toppled. Even Subhash Chandra Bose left India and fought his battle from overseas. 10 years jail time meaning his political career is over. Also who knows, the kangaroo court may keep him in jail even after 10 years.

If you followed the case then you will know that even as bad as IHC and SC judges are, this case( if Isa isn't on it) will be thrown out in minutes

 

[uppercut]

Part-2 of this episode will be aired after the US elections ... and depending on how that pans out Imran has about a min 1 to max 5 more yrs of jail time.

 

[Major]

Should had been death sentence however. Still a decent decision.

You cannot go running around and leaking confidential information to the public to save your own chair.

This can ruin your foreign relations and have bad effects later on. Alot of communication takes place between two countries.

Imran over played his hand, and when he made this treacherous move his days were numbered.

This warrants a death sentence, but he got away with a lighter sentence.

Funny seeing imran's sister whining about judges. Your brother did something stupid as a pm, leaking state confidential dialogue.


I hope the Constitution violation by Imran, and Qasim Suri is also investigated and a verdict be given which was similar to Mushraffe which was hanging by death.

 

[Major]

Happy that fake pir Qureshi got sentenced but feel kinda sad for Imran, probably the most elite athlete from subcontinent.

He was not sentenced as an athele. He was sentence as a pm who decided to leak confidential information causing chaos. He was high on power and thought he can do anything he wanted.

This is the result of not knowing the dos and donts of parliamentary and pmship.

Trump and him are alike and Trump is also dealing with a similar case.

You cant go around destroying diplomatic relations to save your own pmship.

Imran played politics eith the nation, still got away with a lighter sentence.

Should be hanging

 

[RidiculousMan]

Another desperate move to hinder PTI's election campaign.

 

[Major]

This is on the pakistani people. Whatever his flaws may be, he intended well for his country. And if his supporters are allowing this to happen, then they do not have anyone else to blame. Some poster was calling it the resilience of pakistanis.

No he did not.

Blocking the road to the city and making people hostage does not mean you intend well.

Deciding to gain theestablishment's helpt to sabotage an election in your favor does not mean you intend well.

Sabotaging the Constitution so that a constitutional VONC cannot be held is again not a well intended move.

Revealing state communication with USA, where there is years of dialogue involved and you destroy the relations in a one bad move, is not a well intended move.

That last move alone could had sropped us from ever recieving help from US in terms aid or anything.

There is alot of back and forth communication that takes place in embassy between the staff, if you start revealing each and everything to the public, foreign ministeries would be destroyed.

The fake pir got what he deserved as he gave the pm the cypher and than our ex pm decided to reveal everything thinking he is not accountable.

Thankfully in a parliamentary system the PM is accountable towards the court

 

[RidiculousMan]

Should had been death sentence however. Still a decent decision.

You cannot go running around and leaking confidential information to the public to save your own chair.

This can ruin your foreign relations and have bad effects later on. Alot of communication takes place between two countries.

Imran over played his hand, and when he made this treacherous move his days were numbered.

This warrants a death sentence, but he got away with a lighter sentence.

Funny seeing imran's sister whining about judges. Your brother did something stupid as a pm, leaking state confidential dialogue.


I hope the Constitution violation by Imran, and Qasim Suri is also investigated and a verdict be given which was similar to Mushraffe which was hanging by death.

Do you write comedy sketches by any chance?

 

[Major]

Do you write comedy sketches by any chance?

Im not blinded by populism by chance.

Had this been Nawaz Sharef revealing state secrets and dialogues and being sentenced to 10 years, the mood of people would had been different.

I said this back than, once Imran decided to wave the diplomatic message, it will come back to bite. Just like i mentioned the Malik riaz case aswell...

 

[BouncerGuy]

'Stay calm and vote for Khan', PTI tells workers after cypher verdict

Reacting strongle to the 10-year imprisonment handed down to former prime minister Imran Khan and ex-foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Tuesday, the party declared the cypher trial "a complete disgusting mockery of law".

The party, wary of a repeat of the May 9, 2023 riots, maintained that "such sham trials have their future written in dustbin", and added that "revenge will be taken through vote". Several PTI leaders urged party supporters to 'stay calm and vote for Khan' on February 8.

In a video message released soon after the verdict's announcement, PTI secretary general Omar Ayub Khan asked, "All PTI members and Pakistani's to remain calm and peaceful following the decision by this kangroo court against PM Imran Khan Sahib and Vice Chairman Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureishi sahib,"

The PTI leader asked voters to "concentrate on coming out in large numbers on 8th February, 2024 to ensure a high voter turnout and vote for PM Imran Khan sahib's nominated candidates whose names have been posted on PTIs website and social media channels".

Former prime minister Imran Khan's sister Aleema Khan stated that, "Today, justice was trampled upon due to the fear of two names being brought up during the cross-examination," she said, complaining about the judge misbehaving with them.

"If you don't accept this verdict for the sake of the coming generations then mark a 100 per cent attendance on February 8. There is no better revenge than this," she maintained.

Speaking to the media after the announcement of the verdict, Aleema said she needed some time to compose herself before she could address those present. "I had thought they would award him [Imran] the death penalty as Rizwan Abbasi had asked for the same."

Questioning the lawyers present, she asked what efforts have they made to bring change to the justice system in Pakistan. "It was our first experience in such a matter, but you [lawyers] knew what the system is like here."

"About this poor judge Hasnaat, someone was giving him instructions. Entire Pakistan knows that. The drama that he conducted yesterday, he was also mocked over it," said Imran's sister.

"They were trying to make a mockery of a former premier and a former foreign minister, but they themselves have been made a mockery of."

PTI leader Faisal Javed Khan also put up a post on X, formerly Twitter, with the hashtag #StayCalmVoteForKhan.

The case originated from Imran's public display of a paper during a rally in Islamabad on March 27, 2022, claiming it as evidence of an "international conspiracy" before a vote of no-confidence led to his government's ouster.

The FIA initiated its probe into the so-called “cypher-gate” on July 19, 2023, after the previous coalition government, led by the PML-N, announced an official inquiry against Imran and his close associates for violating the OSA.

Imran was arrested on August 5, 2023, following his conviction in the Toshakhana case by a local court of Islamabad. Later, he was also arrested in the cypher case on August 29.

As per the challan papers, both Imran and Qureshi, the former foreign minister, were charged under sections 5 and 9 of the OSA. These provisions entail the possibility of the death penalty or life imprisonment.

'Stay calm vote for Khan', PTI tells workers after cypher verdict | The Express Tribune

Party leaders including sec gen Omar Ayub slam verdict, urge supporters to remain peaceful, ensure high voter turnout

tribune.com.pk

 

[Varun]

People of Pakistan living inside the country and abroad. Your move.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PTI lawyers had a chance to file a Writ till 11 am and this decision could have been stopped but they reached the courtroom late maybe deliberately.

SOURCE: DUNYA NEWS​

 

[Bewal Express]

Should had been death sentence however. Still a decent decision.

You cannot go running around and leaking confidential information to the public to save your own chair.

This can ruin your foreign relations and have bad effects later on. Alot of communication takes place between two countries.

Imran over played his hand, and when he made this treacherous move his days were numbered.

This warrants a death sentence, but he got away with a lighter sentence.

Funny seeing imran's sister whining about judges. Your brother did something stupid as a pm, leaking state confidential dialogue.


I hope the Constitution violation by Imran, and Qasim Suri is also investigated and a verdict be given which was similar to Mushraffe which was hanging by death.

Death sentence for what? Tell what was the case about?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Im not blinded by populism by chance.

Had this been Nawaz Sharef revealing state secrets and dialogues and being sentenced to 10 years, the mood of people would had been different.

I said this back than, once Imran decided to wave the diplomatic message, it will come back to bite. Just like i mentioned the Malik riaz case aswell...

Yet conmen like zardari who have conned sindh for decades is a happy go chappy.

And you will be happy with this I guess.

 

[Bewal Express]

I do hope people get to read this before it is deleted....

You are a complete imbecile, complicit in murdering innocent people through the corrupt warlords you support.

You are also the one who was egging people to go on to the streets in May, to stand up to the army knowing very well what the police were doing and/or were going to be doing to the women that came out in support.

Regarding the cypher, you really are a stupid dimwit. When the corrupt opposition is united, with the army and there is an outside force that is instructing the country to oust a sitting PM then only a thick, puny, weak, corrupt, imbicile like yourself would call it treason... Think about, you are an idiot. But at least you're proud to be one

The true colours of these guys always shows. I remember those days when he wanted the people to riot, i remember when he spent hours on here defending the mafia govt which his own party now disowns and well as NS, who actually ran the govt.

 

[Bewal Express]

Im not blinded by populism by chance.

Had this been Nawaz Sharef revealing state secrets and dialogues and being sentenced to 10 years, the mood of people would had been different.

I said this back than, once Imran decided to wave the diplomatic message, it will come back to bite. Just like i mentioned the Malik riaz case aswell...

As i said to @Mamoon this morning, you guys are munafiqs of the highest order. You are born to serve criminals, you are the beneficiaries of a corrupt system and want to keep the masses down. I dare you to explain why the judges ran the trial in secret if this was a strong case, i dare you to tell us what the case was? You claimed the cypher never existed and here you are wanting an innocent man to be murdered. Munafiq

 

[Rana]

Should had been death sentence however. Still a decent decision.

Come on bruv, Death Sentence or even 10 years for what? Because of dirty politics?

 

[Manager101]

What a farce decision by the rotten judicjary and current establishment. They all will end up like Pharoah's fate for the massive injustice and fascism for past two years. They have forgotten that like everyone they will have to answer to God in judgment day.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Damn, pakistan is the only country who would jail their wc winning captain for a decade

 

[Hextro]

Is this the establishment admitting that everything in the cipher is true? If that is the case, then it should be the generals, not Imran that should be tried for treason.

Overthrowing a democratically elected government because you want to lick the boots of foreigners is considered criminal in countries where parties like PMLN and PPP don't exist. PDMers have been conditioned into acting like zombies for the sake of their corrupt party's survival.

 

[Major]

Come on bruv, Death Sentence or even 10 years for what? Because of dirty politics?

Because of leaking a confidential file.
There are protocols in place that are to be followed, no one can just do anything they want.

Judges dont come up with theblaw the law is in place and was implemented.

The law does state that he could get a death penalty. Both pir saab and ex pm saab should be thankful that they did bot get the death penalty which exists in the law.

No one will discuss the case and only cry victim.

But he violated the law

 

[iPakistani]

Should had been death sentence however. Still a decent decision.

You cannot go running around and leaking confidential information to the public to save your own chair.

This can ruin your foreign relations and have bad effects later on. Alot of communication takes place between two countries.

Imran over played his hand, and when he made this treacherous move his days were numbered.

This warrants a death sentence, but he got away with a lighter sentence.

Funny seeing imran's sister whining about judges. Your brother did something stupid as a pm, leaking state confidential dialogue.


I hope the Constitution violation by Imran, and Qasim Suri is also investigated and a verdict be given which was similar to Mushraffe which was hanging by death.

Extremely extremely weird comment. Wanting a person to receive a death sentence regardless of your political alliance is horrible.

 

[Major]

Extremely extremely weird post. Wanting a person to receive a death sentence regardless of your political alliance is horrible.

Wanting a person to get the death sentence because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW STATES.

i think instead of getting emotional posters need to read the law and the violation that was committed.

Again, judges dont make laws, the parliament and senate does this.

Judges only implement the law that exists

A lesson for every pm in future. Never go around leaking a confidential message or file without parliaments approval

 

[IMMY69]

Is this the establishment admitting that everything in the cipher is true? If that is the case, then it should be the generals, not Imran that should be tried for treason.

Overthrowing a democratically elected government because you want to lick the boots of foreigners is considered criminal in countries where parties like PMLN and PPP don't exist. PDMers have been conditioned into acting like zombies for the sake of their corrupt party's survival.

Unfortunately, there are too many people like Major... You only have to ready his post below your one...

 

[Bewal Express]

Damn, pakistan is the only country who would jail their wc winning captain for a decade

And the people jailing him are the actual criminals, and only PK do you have losers that want him murdered because he has made their own losers look like the chumps they are

 

[Bewal Express]

Wanting a person to get the death sentence because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW STATES.

i think instead of getting emotional posters need to read the law and the violation that was committed.

Again, judges dont make laws, the parliament and senate does this.

Judges only implement the law that exists

A lesson for every pm in future. Never go around leaking a confidential message or file without parliaments approval

You said the Cypher wasnt true, Do you stand by that?

 

[iPakistani]

Wanting a person to get the death sentence because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW STATES.

i think instead of getting emotional posters need to read the law and the violation that was committed.

Again, judges dont make laws, the parliament and senate does this.

Judges only implement the law that exists

A lesson for every pm in future. Never go around leaking a confidential message or file without parliaments approval

And the blasphemy law? You don't have to be a puppet like your favourite leaders, you can have an opinion for yourself and disagree with parts of the law that aren't correct.

Don't act like you're just 'stating what the law states'. No, you've repeatedly posted in this thread asking for him to be hung, the death sentence to be applied. Even though i'm pretty sure you can see the sketchiness of his case but then again judging by your posts you might lack critical thinking.

 

[Bewal Express]

Wanting a person to get the death sentence because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW STATES.

i think instead of getting emotional posters need to read the law and the violation that was committed.

Again, judges dont make laws, the parliament and senate does this.

Judges only implement the law that exists

A lesson for every pm in future. Never go around leaking a confidential message or file without parliaments approval

Your getting your knickers in a twist because everyone can see you for the munafiq that you are. So what was the confidential information? was it a message to a General to overthrow an elected govt? If yes, then who committed the crime, the guy who got the cabinets approval to let his electors know or the guy that hid the message.

 

[Major]

And the blasphemy law? You don't have to be a puppet like your favourite leaders, you can have an opinion for yourself and disagree with parts of the law that aren't correct.

Don't act like you're just 'stating what the law states'. No, you've repeatedly posted in this thread asking for him to be hung, the death sentence to be applied. Even though i'm pretty sure you can see the sketchiness of his case but then again judging by your posts you might lack critical thinking.

I wil repeat myself again.

You cannot reveal confidential files to the public without geting appproval from the houses

A govt is made up of pm, parliament and judiciary. No matter who you are you cant go around doing what you want.

The pm decided to reveal confidential files without approval, he got charged for it.

I am not the one that made the law. The law states that death penalty can be given for such a case. He did nor SMQ got it, even thoug the harshest penalty should had been implemented.

Still the verdict is well within the law.

Next time, a pm should be careful of revealing confidential files. Lessons to be learned for everyone.

 

[Bewal Express]

Because of leaking a confidential file.
There are protocols in place that are to be followed, no one can just do anything they want.

Judges dont come up with theblaw the law is in place and was implemented.

The law does state that he could get a death penalty. Both pir saab and ex pm saab should be thankful that they did bot get the death penalty which exists in the law.

No one will discuss the case and only cry victim.

But he violated the law

So if the case was so strong, why was Azam kidnapped? why did the Ambassador Majeed confirm what IK said? why was the judge in a hurry? Why did IK not get to question Bajwa? Why did the State prosecutors appoint his lawyers? Why was the trial not in open court?

 

[Varun]

What is this Shah Mehmood Qureshi's motivation to stick around with Imran Khan and be jailed? I recall him from the days of 26/11 - he was part of Zardari's PPP then. He was probably roped into the PTI as an electable from their perspective, and he rode the bandwagon from his perspective.

Surprised he didn't abandon ship with the rest of them.

 

[iPakistani]

Wanting a person to get the death sentence because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW STATES.

i think instead of getting emotional posters need to read the law and the violation that was committed.

Again, judges dont make laws, the parliament and senate does this.

Judges only implement the law that exists

A lesson for every pm in future. Never go around leaking a confidential message or file without parliaments approval

Its okay to step back sometimes and realize that the people you support are complicit in a corrupt system and they shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want to gain power. If you have any semblance of morality then maybe, just maybe, self reflect a little and see if power for the sake of power is even worth it.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

That is what u can expect from the corrupt Judiciary.

 

[Bewal Express]

Come on bruv, Death Sentence or even 10 years for what? Because of dirty politics?

Just like Tosha case, this will become a noose around the necks of the criminals and not IK.

 

[Bewal Express]

Its okay to step back sometimes and realize that the people you support are complicit in a corrupt system and they shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want to gain power. If you have any semblance of morality then maybe, just maybe, self reflect a little and see if power for the sake of power is even worth it.

To these guys power is power to play god. AZ,NS and the Generals all believe that they can play God but as BB fouund to her cost, life isnt linear and IA they will face their day.

 

[Major]

What is this Shah Mehmood Qureshi's motivation to stick around with Imran Khan and be jailed? I recall him from the days of 26/11 - he was part of Zardari's PPP then. He was probably roped into the PTI as an electable from their perspective, and he rode the bandwagon from his perspective.

Surprised he didn't abandon ship with the rest of them.

It doesnt matter, and he will abandon this ship aswell when the time comes.

Thing is, as foreign minister, who is looking after all the foreign embassies and relations, he was the one controlling all the information and ciphers between all embassies of pakistan.

Without his involvement the pm would not had been given the ciper i believe ( i could be wrong here)

When imran decided to reveal the message which was confidential, he not only wrote the death sentence for himself but also for SMQ.

This is just a start. Imram can still get more jail time or death sentence for stalling the VONC and going against the Constitution. And it that case he can take down Qasim Suri and Asad Qaiser eho were the speakers following imrans orders.

Asad Qaiser can save himself because he gave in at the last minute, but Qasim Suri might be the next one.

This is why the pm and there chamchas need to be careful in violating laws very openly

 

[Major]

Its okay to step back sometimes and realize that the people you support are complicit in a corrupt system and they shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want to gain power. If you have any semblance of morality then maybe, just maybe, self reflect a little and see if power for the sake of power is even worth it.

Irrelevent......

You are just dodging the case and its law that was implemented.

Imran and smq did a violation and they got away with a lighter sentence.

Thank you judiciary

 

[Rajdeep]

Is this the establishment admitting that everything in the cipher is true? If that is the case, then it should be the generals, not Imran that should be tried for treason.

Overthrowing a democratically elected government because you want to lick the boots of foreigners is considered criminal in countries where parties like PMLN and PPP don't exist. PDMers have been conditioned into acting like zombies for the sake of their corrupt party's survival.

Though I agree that the punishment served to Imran Khan is harsh but isn't 'Vote of no confidence' on which Imran was removed is a democratic process too? You need majority MPs to stay in power.

 

[Major]

Though I agree that the punishment served to Imran Khan is harsh but isn't 'Vote of no confidence' on which Imran was removed is a democratic process too? You need majority MPs to stay in power.

It is a democratic process and that is what happened.

The fans cant accept it and cry as victims.

Oddly enough, a vonc took place in UK and the same posters had no issues eith that.

This is, when it benefits you its ok, but when you are at the recieving end of same law than its a victim crying.

Pakistans constitution is very similar to UKs in this regard

 

[Bewal Express]

Irrelevent......

You are just dodging the case and its law that was implemented.

Imran and smq did a violation and they got away with a lighter sentence.

Thank you judiciary

You guys said it didnt exist. And today you want hanged for something you claimed was lie. Even a munafiq like you can see the contradiction
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ALLAH AL HAQ HA !<br><br>It was now proved that the cipher was genuine; And it is a curse on the mouth of the opponents !<br>Imran Khan never lied to the nation, Pakistanis your leader is true !<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ناانصافی_کا_بدلہ_ووٹ_سے?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#ناانصافی_کا_بدلہ_ووٹ_سے</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/عمران_خان_پر_ظلم_نامنظور?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#عمران_خان_پر_ظلم_نامنظور</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CipherCase?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#CipherCase</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZxUyeI7S4O">pic.twitter.com/ZxUyeI7S4O</a></p>&mdash; USMAN (@MianUsman666) <a href="

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752289275687600479

">January 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[YousafTheBeast]

@Major

You seem to be more worried about IK leaking the cipher (which he didn’t) than what’s actually inside the cipher.

 

[Red-Indian]

From a neutral perspective, it looks like all of the parties involved have acted in pretty bad faith in this situation - the United States Government, Imran Khan and the Pakistani Elite-Military-Judicial complex.

It's obvious the sentence is an opening gambit. They'd prefer not to actually have Imran Khan in jail 10 years. That would only turn him into a mythic figure and make him a lightning rod for opposition to the ruling junta.

What they'd really prefer I'd guess, is for Imran to accept exile to the UK or some similar country like so many Pakistani politicians before him. That way, he's out of the way or now but he's always around if needed in the future. There's always a second chance in Pakistani politics (or maybe politics in general).

Only question is whether Imran's ego and sense of self-righteousness will allow him to accept this compromise. I think they'll only keep ratcheting up the pressure until he does.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Though I agree that the punishment served to Imran Khan is harsh but isn't 'Vote of no confidence' on which Imran was removed is a democratic process too? You need majority MPs to stay in power.

Not very democratic to buy his MPs just to jump ships.

 

[Rajdeep]

Means nothing. Plenty of people are born and raised in a different country than their own.



Means nothing. I personally for one, despise Modi and the BJP but still call myself Indian and not Swiss or Indonesian like some desperado.

What I don't understand is why @Cpt. Rishwat feels it is needed in every thread to inform everyone that he is 'British'.

Even Royal Family of Britain don't take so much pride being a British that out captain sahaab does.

 

[Hassan A]

But he did leak the content of the documents right? I think I remember him revealing contents of the document in one of his speeches.

@Major

You seem to be more worried about IK leaking the cipher (which he didn’t) than what’s actually inside the cipher.

 

[Bewal Express]

But he did leak the content of the documents right? I think I remember him revealing contents in the document in one of his speeches.

The cypher wasnt leaked, its an encrypted code. And what should happen to all the guys that said it didnt exist when we know that it did. Where are Billo, SS, SKA and Diesel. The contents of the cypher were shown to the public and he got cabinet approval to do that. So what are you arguing? That a Foreign power telling a General what to do should have been kept secret?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

But he did leak the content of the documents right? I think I remember him revealing contents of the document in one of his speeches.

Unless he’s shown us the cipher that’s fully available to the public then I don’t consider it a leak.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Unfortunately, there are too many people like Major... You only have to ready his post below your one...

One thing you will see with certain posters, not naming any names so please don't delete mods - they generally cheer for hindutva leadership in Bharat, although some have done a U-turn since their favourite Master 10% is in line for the leadership of the country - they lament on failures of Pakistan but never hitch their wagon to a party which will offer a solution. Is it any wonder that the country is going nowhere if this is their vision? One of them was imploring Pakistan to cheer for the Indian Olympic bid despite Bharat doing their utmost to destroy Pakistan's sporting endeavours.

 

[Varun]

What I don't understand is why @Cpt. Rishwat feels it is needed in every thread to inform everyone that he is 'British'.

Even Royal Family of Britain don't take so much pride being a British that out captain sahaab does.

Imposter syndrome.

 

[Major]

Unless he’s shown us the cipher that’s fully available to the public then I don’t consider it a leak.

What you consider or dont consider doesnt matter does it?

He revealed a file that wasnt for the public domain unless right protocols were followed.

The whole bureaucracy working in the foreign ministry was angry with that Imran did. Years of work and relations went down the drain. The pakistani govt spends alot of money on building foreign relations.

Good thing there are laws in place and someone is rightly be charged for it.

 

[Major]

But he did leak the content of the documents right? I think I remember him revealing contents of the document in one of his speeches.

He did.

Having been around bureaucrates while growing up, especially people from the foreign ministry, there is alot of dialogue that takes back and forth between every country.

These messages and documents are not very pleasant which is why they are never really open to public. The contents of being that oh we dont support your govt etc is actually very normal... But messages are relayed back and forth.

But when the govt decides to reveal these contents to the public without approval, than that ends up breaking the whole dialogue between the embassy. The trust gets broken, and the next thing you know the Foreign Minister wont be attending your ambassadors calls.

IK was so desperate to get a calll from Biden and he never hid this fact.

So think about if the pm of the country is that desperate than how things work in the Foreign Ministey.

Bureaucrates in the civil govt went crazy with the move that imran made by mentioned the contents of the file. Because everyone knew that it was goinf to be a self inflicted wound that the bureaucracy would have to deal with.

Fans dont like the law and will act as victim, but imran and smq placed pakistan in a vulnerable state when they revealed the contents and thankfull the judiciary served them both right

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What I don't understand is why @Cpt. Rishwat feels it is needed in every thread to inform everyone that he is 'British'.

Even Royal Family of Britain don't take so much pride being a British that out captain sahaab does.

Because I know my Bharati friends fear the British so they'll be grinding their teeth wondering how to respond.

 

[shortbread]

While the outcome is disheartening, no decree in this country is permanent, legal or otherwise. A year or two ago, Would anyone have believed if someone said Nawaz will likely become PM again?

In the not too distant future the establishment will seek to hitch their wagon onto IK and PTI yet again. These things run in circles, so never say never.

 

[Hitman]

The man is 71 years old. He’ll be 81 if he ends up serving his complete prison term.

Can anyone in Pakistan currently tell us how the general public has taken the verdict?

 

[Bewal Express]

What you consider or dont consider doesnt matter does it?

He revealed a file that wasnt for the public domain unless right protocols were followed.

The whole bureaucracy working in the foreign ministry was angry with that Imran did. Years of work and relations went down the drain. The pakistani govt spends alot of money on building foreign relations.

Good thing there are laws in place and someone is rightly be charged for it.

But according to you and your criminal friends IK was lying and it didnt exist. So why did you guys lie?

 

[Manager101]

But according to you and your criminal friends IK was lying and it didnt exist. So why did you guys lie?

Currently he is blabbering about "Pakistan law" but when May 9th incident was happening, he was openly posting here and saying PTI supporters should attack GHQ, etc.

So much hypocrisy.

 

[Major]

Currently he is blabbering about "Pakistan law" but when May 9th incident was happening, he was openly posting here and saying PTI supporters should attack GHQ, etc.

So much hypocrisy.

funny thing is, pti fans even failed to do that aswell.......

 

[Extra_Cover]

Wanting a person to get the death sentence because THAT IS WHAT THE LAW STATES.

i think instead of getting emotional posters need to read the law and the violation that was committed.

Again, judges dont make laws, the parliament and senate does this.

Judges only implement the law that exists

A lesson for every pm in future. Never go around leaking a confidential message or file without parliaments approval

So let me actually pull the law out for you to read and contemplate on what you have said.

Also as a word of advice listen to some of the "legal experts" who are wholeheartedly condemning this decision. Surely you wouldn't say now that you are better than all legal experts in the country or you know law better than them? For Gods sake call out what is wrong, blind hatred cannot help pave a path for you.

Coming onto the Law now. The sentencing has been done under "Pakistan Official Secrets Act of 1923" (link to Act below).

https://pakistancode.gov.pk/pdffiles/administrator46c9a3c62acc16428e73999e7d30ba2a.pdf

Under section 3 of the Act the sentencing has been done. The s3 of the Act entails the following clauses.

[3. Offence.— (1) A person shall commit an offence under this section If he intentionally for any purpose prejudicial to public order, defence, safety or interests of the State,—
The s3 states that the "intentions" need to be proven if defendant has committed offence to harm defence, safety or interest of State. Have the intention been proven in this case?

(a) approaches, inspects, passes over or is in the vicinity of, or enters, attacks, destroys or otherwise undermines any prohibited place; or
This clause not relevant as there were no "attacks of physical nature"

(b) makes any sketch, plan, model, or note which is calculated to be or might be or is intended to be, directly or indirectly, useful to an enemy;
This clause is not relevant either as that would need the prosecution to prove Imran was acting in interest of another country or State. No proof of that were identified either.

(c) obtains, collects, records or publishes or communicates to any other person any secret official code or password, or any electronic or modern device, sketch, plan, model, article or note or other document or information, in any manner whatsoever, which is calculated to be or might be or is intended to be, directly or indirectly, useful to an enemy of the State;
The above is the point you are pointlessly bringing up again and again. As stated above Imran did not leak any official code or password. He discussed the content of the letter in public but never released the official letter or its code. Hence stating that he leaked to public is grossly incorrect.

(d) gains unauthorized access to document or information from within or outside of Pakistan with or without use of electronic or modern devices;
This clause not relevant as he was PM at the time hence has authorised access to information

(e) causes an unmanned vehicle or device to access, enter, inspect, pass over or under, approach or be in the vicinity of a prohibited place; and(f) disclosure or retention of any activity, information, document, related to invention, research, development, production, maintenance, operation, storage and disposal of weapons, equipment or any capability of these forces, and access to or unauthorized disclosure of which is prejudicial to the safety and interest of Pakistan.]
This clause is not relevant again as this involved attack of physical nature.

Now that the Law is in front of you please read and contemplate on what you have been writing all morning. We need to stop the spread of disinformation.

 

[Varun]

While the outcome is disheartening, no decree in this country is permanent, legal or otherwise. A year or two ago, Would anyone have believed if someone said Nawaz will likely become PM again?

In the not too distant future the establishment will seek to hitch their wagon onto IK and PTI yet again. These things run in circles, so never say never.

I don't think so, and that is IK's own doing - he has ensured that there will be no PTI after him.

In any case, the establishment will still have two balls to juggle - PMLN and PPP - more than enough for 3-4 year batches at a time.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Its not the worst punishment. Things will change soon. Mark my words.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

While the outcome is disheartening, no decree in this country is permanent, legal or otherwise. A year or two ago, Would anyone have believed if someone said Nawaz will likely become PM again?

In the not too distant future the establishment will seek to hitch their wagon onto IK and PTI yet again. These things run in circles, so never say never.

Agreed....but I think this one will be less permanent than others.

It will be interesting to see if Khan is offered a way out and does he take it like Nawaz or if he wants to go down the Zardari route.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Imran Khan is hardly a spring chicken. He's fought for decades to take leadership, I imagine the authorities probably figure if they can keep him locked up for another few years he'll have lost his fire and the public will have moved on. Then they can deal with less stubborn tried and tested politicians who are a bit easier to control. A backhander here, some gifted land there, and they'll read whatever script is put in front of them.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran Khan is hardly a spring chicken. He's fought for decades to take leadership, I imagine the authorities probably figure if they can keep him locked up for another few years he'll have lost his fire and the public will have moved on. Then they can deal with less stubborn tried and tested politicians who are a bit easier to control. A backhander here, some gifted land there, and they'll read whatever script is put in front of them.

I dont think the public will move on. He will get old and will naturally lose energy but the establishment will regret the day they did mess with Kaptaan.

 

[Bewal Express]

You are sprouting a lot of BS on here under the guise of "this is what the law says". So let me actually pull the law out for you to read and contemplate on what you have said.

Also as a word of advice listen to some of the "legal experts" who are wholeheartedly condemning this decision. Surely you wouldn't say now that you are better than all legal experts in the country or you know law better than them? For Gods sake call out what is wrong, blind hatred cannot help pave a path for you.

Coming onto the Law now. The sentencing has been done under "Pakistan Official Secrets Act of 1923" (link to Act below).

https://pakistancode.gov.pk/pdffiles/administrator46c9a3c62acc16428e73999e7d30ba2a.pdf

Under section 3 of the Act the sentencing has been done. The s3 of the Act entails the following clauses.

[3. Offence.— (1) A person shall commit an offence under this section If he intentionally for any purpose prejudicial to public order, defence, safety or interests of the State,—
The s3 states that the "intentions" need to be proven if defendant has committed offence to harm defence, safety or interest of State. Have the intention been proven in this case?

(a) approaches, inspects, passes over or is in the vicinity of, or enters, attacks, destroys or otherwise undermines any prohibited place; or
This clause not relevant as there were no "attacks of physical nature"

(b) makes any sketch, plan, model, or note which is calculated to be or might be or is intended to be, directly or indirectly, useful to an enemy;
This clause is not relevant either as that would need the prosecution to prove Imran was acting in interest of another country or State. No proof of that were identified either.

(c) obtains, collects, records or publishes or communicates to any other person any secret official code or password, or any electronic or modern device, sketch, plan, model, article or note or other document or information, in any manner whatsoever, which is calculated to be or might be or is intended to be, directly or indirectly, useful to an enemy of the State;
The above is the point you are pointlessly bringing up again and again. As stated above Imran did not leak any official code or password. He discussed the content of the letter in public but never released the official letter or its code. Hence stating that he leaked to public is grossly incorrect.

(d) gains unauthorized access to document or information from within or outside of Pakistan with or without use of electronic or modern devices;
This clause not relevant as he was PM at the time hence has authorised access to information

(e) causes an unmanned vehicle or device to access, enter, inspect, pass over or under, approach or be in the vicinity of a prohibited place; and(f) disclosure or retention of any activity, information, document, related to invention, research, development, production, maintenance, operation, storage and disposal of weapons, equipment or any capability of these forces, and access to or unauthorized disclosure of which is prejudicial to the safety and interest of Pakistan.]
This clause is not relevant again as this involved attack of physical nature.

Now that the Law is in front of you please read and contemplate on what you have been writing all morning. We need to stop the spread of disinformation and today all you have done is spread disinformation.

@Major listens to Geo so dont expect him to understand this.

 

[adi_62941]

It was just a matter of 5 years ago when Nawaz Sharif was sentenced to 10 years in 2018, just before the general elections.

The script has remained the same; only the writers and actors have changed. The drama will continue, and viewers will get what they deserve, which is nothing.

 

[adi_62941]

I dont think the public will move on. He will get old and will naturally lose energy but the establishment will regret the day they did mess with Kaptaan.

The only positive aspect is that the public will get to know the reality behind the uniform. Their social media campaigns have turned to garbage, and there won't be any more release of stupid patriotic songs and dramas to hypnotize public

This itself is the biggest damage ever done by a political leader to an establishment

 

[Hextro]

Though I agree that the punishment served to Imran Khan is harsh but isn't 'Vote of no confidence' on which Imran was removed is a democratic process too? You need majority MPs to stay in power.

Not sure if you followed the news, but there was widespread horse trading which led to the "no confidence" motion among many other factors one would call undemocratic. One of the factors is the foreign interference in domestic political affairs. Add to that the cipher diabolical(which gives relevance to the foreign interference angle) and you have clear manipulation of the "democratic process".

Read up on the intercept stories if you genuinely want to know more about the situation.

 

[Major]

The only positive aspect is that the public will get to know the reality behind the uniform. Their social media campaigns have turned to garbage, and there won't be any more release of stupid patriotic songs and dramas to hypnotize public

This itself is the biggest damage ever done by a political leader to an establishment

And when an army chief that supports pti will come and promoses them pmship, will pti accept it or not?

Because that is what pti did in 2018 when we called it and many were not ready to accept it. Today same group is bashing the same army

 

[CricketCartoons]

Unfortunately, there are too many people like Major... You only have to ready his post below your one...

People like Major hate him, so their stand is understandable. But what are Imran's supporters doing? Just wanting things to fall into place by showing restraint and resilience?

 

[Major]

Agreed....but I think this one will be less permanent than others.

It will be interesting to see if Khan is offered a way out and does he take it like Nawaz or if he wants to go down the Zardari route.

Ex pm is done. There is no way he can stand for the election in 2028, he will be worst than joe biden condition wise.

The one to gain from this will be SMQ. He is now being called vice kaptaan and because by living the life of a false pir and enjoying having followers, he will be happy to be able to gain the trust of pti fans now

 

[Major]

People like Major hate him, so their stand is understandable. But what are Imran's supporters doing? Just wanting things to fall into place by showing restraint and resilience?

They are waiting for a establishment man that will come and start supporting them.

Pti doesn have issue with the establishment meddling in politics. There issue is why they are not the favourite child

 

[YousafTheBeast]

People like Major hate him, so their stand is understandable. But what are Imran's supporters doing? Just wanting things to fall into place by showing restraint and resilience?

What do you want? Riots just before the election?

Riots aren’t going to free IK, but winning the elections will.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ex pm is done. There is no way he can stand for the election in 2028, he will be worst than joe biden condition wise.

The one to gain from this will be SMQ. He is now being called vice kaptaan and because by living the life of a false pir and enjoying having followers, he will be happy to be able to gain the trust of pti fans now

What makes you think next elections will be 2028?

This is Pakistan. Its more likely next election is December 2024 than 2028!