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Mohammad Rizwan : A bubble that will burst against good bowling and teams in the ICC T20 World Cup

if I had to rate your T20 bats at their best. Hafeez > Fakhar > Rizwan ~ Babar

Rizwan should bat down the order, as he seems more like a finisher.
 
Let’s see Pakistan open the batting with Rizwan and Tests if that’s the case

So using your logic, every opener should averaging in teens? Your hatred for Rizwan is unbelievable just because he removed the virus Sarfraz from the team
 
So using your logic, every opener should averaging in teens? Your hatred for Rizwan is unbelievable just because he removed the virus Sarfraz from the team

No, your standard of argumentation is as mediocre as Rizwan's ODI batting average.
 
Keep finding the flaws in the guy who is performing and dream about those who have never proven themselves.Thats a trend in pakistan from a long time now.
 
Some so called Pakistan fans hoping for Rizwan to fail.

Yeh bhee din dekhna tha.
 
Rizwan once again outperforming Pakistan’s golden boy. Clueless Rizwan haters need to go back in their caves and never come out again
 
Rizwan once again outperforming Pakistan’s golden boy. Clueless Rizwan haters need to go back in their caves and never come out again


This is not England's best bowling yet;

Where are Stokes, Archer, Woakes?

Let Rizwan do what he is useless at; inflate against C/D bowling
 
This OP and his followers should watch the game right now and see how good batting is from the other end. Rizwan should be the least of your worries. Lol
 
This is not England's best bowling yet;

Where are Stokes, Archer, Woakes?

Let Rizwan do what he is useless at; inflate against C/D bowling

You are making a fool of yourself now.

Suggest hold off on your posts until the game is over.
 
This is not England's best bowling yet;

Where are Stokes, Archer, Woakes?

Let Rizwan do what he is useless at; inflate against C/D bowling

You are so embarrassing and agenda driven that it is no secret anymore. Are you seeing the other batters against this C or D attack?
 
Rizwan deserves all the success and God is also on his side. Ian Ward just said he is the heartbeat of this Pakistan side.
 
I'm an Indian and I can only laugh at those who are speaking against Rizwan :))

You guys deserve players like Sarfaraz instead.

OP is hating Rizwan because Rizwan literally thrashed Sarfraz out of team. OP support Sarfraz because Sarfraz like OP himself belongs to a certain ethnic group (migrants from India, 50 % of Karachi population, my own half self). People like OP will just not believe in stats, on ground realities or anything, they will hate Rizwan even if he becomes World No.1 in all formats because Sarfaraz was kicked out of team with his ~22 average in SENA.
 
If there is a Jason Roy, Munro, Warner, Hales, Finch waiting in the wings, then sure you can replace Rizwan with him. Till then, be thankful for what you have.
 
Ian Ward on commentary "Rizwan is the heartbeat of this Pakistan side with his wicket-keeping and his batting".
 
Not an opening batsmen.

Doesn't score fast enough.

I miss the days of Imran Nazir, Ahmed Shehzad and Kamran Akmal.
 
It is surreal how often these kind of threads backfire. No disrespect to the OP but seen it with such threads relating to most players including the Indian ones.
 
Not an opening batsmen.

Doesn't score fast enough.

I miss the days of Imran Nazir, Ahmed Shehzad and Kamran Akmal.

I hope this is sarcasm because those are some garbage names. 2 of who bat with a lower strike rate than Rizwan
 
How poor is Rizwan?

He's just wasting the opener's slot. Where can PAK hide him??? Nowhere!

He's just a glorified accumulator with no place in the T20 side. He's also wasting Fakhar's opening slot where Zaman can at least hit some blows.

But, we got no choice but to hide Rizwan from the middle order as he can't score fast at all. So we decide to make him open.

What a joke.

He's as bad as Sarfraz when it comes to scoring runs, just a single double player.
 
Sarfaraz is a wicket keeper, Fawad is not
At least give logical reason rather than throwing random names.. In 2017 , Rohail Nazir was not ready, not sure he is even ready today to play test match

cut the trash talk and answer these stats :shhh where Sarfaraz is literally destroyed by Rizwan. Real quality of modern day Sub continent batsman is judged by his deep stats in SENA against masters like Southee, Boult, Jamison, Wagner, Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Anderson, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Lyon. Tell me why Rizwan averages 43 against these bowlers in SENA while Sarfaraz averages 23 ?

Muhammad Rizwan (MR)/Sarfaraz Ahmad (SA)

Away average 41.2/32.8 MR>SA

Home average 50.25/42.0 MR>SA

Averages in SENAW

vs SA ---- No data/16.25
vs ENG ---- 40.2/24.8 MR>SA MR faced attack of Anderson, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Stokes
vs NZ ---- 43.0/17.2 MR>SA MR faced attack of Southee, Boult, Wagner, Jaimeson
vs AUS ---- 44.2/38.6 MR>SA MR faced attack of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Lyon
vs WI ---- No data/28

50s in total Innings in SENA

6 x 50s in 8 innings (75 % 50s per innings) / 4 x 50s in 34 innings (11.7 % 50s per innings ROFL) MR>SA

Stop your toxic ethnic hate.
 
How poor is Rizwan?

He's just wasting the opener's slot. Where can PAK hide him??? Nowhere!

He's just a glorified accumulator with no place in the T20 side. He's also wasting Fakhar's opening slot where Zaman can at least hit some blows.

But, we got no choice but to hide Rizwan from the middle order as he can't score fast at all. So we decide to make him open.

What a joke.

He's as bad as Sarfraz when it comes to scoring runs, just a single double player.

Rizwan taking leaf out of Misbah's batting book

Just play for himself
 
Wow.. I always found it strange when I saw the management keep selecting Sarfaraz to keep Rizwan on his toes given that Rizwan's performances have been far superior. But to see posters on PP hate on Rizwan is baffling! No one is saying Rizwan is a world-beater, but surely given his performances over the past year~ cements his spot over not only Sarfaraz as a keeper, but every other batsman besides Babar in this lineup!
 
Not playing Archer lol.
As if your idol can score more than a 30 agst any bowling attack.
 
cut the trash talk and answer these stats :shhh where Sarfaraz is literally destroyed by Rizwan. Real quality of modern day Sub continent batsman is judged by his deep stats in SENA against masters like Southee, Boult, Jamison, Wagner, Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, Anderson, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Lyon. Tell me why Rizwan averages 43 against these bowlers in SENA while Sarfaraz averages 23 ?

Muhammad Rizwan (MR)/Sarfaraz Ahmad (SA)

Away average 41.2/32.8 MR>SA

Home average 50.25/42.0 MR>SA

Averages in SENAW

vs SA ---- No data/16.25
vs ENG ---- 40.2/24.8 MR>SA MR faced attack of Anderson, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Stokes
vs NZ ---- 43.0/17.2 MR>SA MR faced attack of Southee, Boult, Wagner, Jaimeson
vs AUS ---- 44.2/38.6 MR>SA MR faced attack of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Lyon
vs WI ---- No data/28

50s in total Innings in SENA

6 x 50s in 8 innings (75 % 50s per innings) / 4 x 50s in 34 innings (11.7 % 50s per innings ROFL) MR>SA

Stop your toxic ethnic hate.

Test stats

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Jordan toyed with faker Rizwan
This is what called A team bowling; not what Saqib was doing
 
Played a whole innings and managed 75

But to his credit, this wasnt an easy deck
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan's batting in T20Is this year:<br><br>Innings 13<br>Runs 706<br>Average 100.85<br>Strike-rate 140.91<br>Fours 63<br>Sixes 23<br>Hundreds 1<br>Fifties 7<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1417563010315456514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2021</a></blockquote>
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He's not a finisher. He's at his best up the order.

Not really best for the team, as he still accumulates at the top.

And worse, he wastes the spot of an actual big hitting opener like Sharjeel or Fakhar.
 
Rizwan innings has kept Pakistan in the game. It speaks volumes of our pathetic middle order. There is no one else to support. Rizwan gave a brilliant start. His job was done there but no one really capitalised on the good start and everyone was failing with the bat as we expect them to. After a poor middle order effort it was expected of Rizwan to not take a lot of risk.

It's a very good knock again. People who have zero understanding of the game will always target player who stands for the team when rest are perishing. If it wasn't for his knock Pak would have been in great trouble to have any decent totals for competing.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan's batting in T20Is this year:<br><br>Innings 13<br>Runs 706<br>Average 100.85<br>Strike-rate 140.91<br>Fours 63<br>Sixes 23<br>Hundreds 1<br>Fifties 7<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1417563010315456514?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2021</a></blockquote>
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140 SR is very good.
Still some people here calling him mediocre.
 
Rizwan innings has kept Pakistan in the game. It speaks volumes of our pathetic middle order. There is no one else to support. Rizwan gave a brilliant start. His job was done there but no one really capitalised on the good start and everyone was failing with the bat as we expect them to. After a poor middle order effort it was expected of Rizwan to not take a lot of risk.

It's a very good knock again. People who have zero understanding of the game will always target player who stands for the team when rest are perishing. If it wasn't for his knock Pak would have been in great trouble to have any decent totals for competing.

It will not be pathetic if you play openers as openers

Cant believe just to serve Rizwan; Misbah has to hide him at the TOP
 
There is no bubble left to be burst about.

Since Babar can't play spin and will probably fail vs India in WT20, Rizwan is the most prized wicket for us in the WT20.
 
Stop this average ******** when the end result is nothing. A guy bat 20 overs and couldn't take his team to a respectable total. Man this Misbah boy is gonna crack this team, anyone can score the runs at which Rizwan score what so annoying is that people like SAJ praise him as if he has won some matches single handedly. A player is disturbing team balance Fakhar/Sharjeel could have done more damage as new ball come to bat alot better.
 
Maybe we should bring back Hafeez as opener to help him rediscover his batting form again? Rizwan looks like he might struggle against better bowling, I’m not sure he is technically as sound as Hafeez and also doesn’t have his big match experience.
 
Not really best for the team, as he still accumulates at the top.

And worse, he wastes the spot of an actual big hitting opener like Sharjeel or Fakhar.

We just saw how Fakher completely missed a simple Moeen delivery. You can't just have to hit sixes but have the ability to bat like an actual batsman. You just want sloggers getting their eyes closed and launching attacking mode. If it works it will definitely look good but if it fails then we would even struggle to score 100.

Also your strategy is less likely to work all the time unless you have batsmen like England who actually have the ability to hit anywhere in the ground not just leg side hackers which is what Fakher and Sharjeel are.
 
There is no bubble left to be burst about.

Since Babar can't play spin and will probably fail vs India in WT20, Rizwan is the most prized wicket for us in the WT20.

Did you watch the match?

Rizwan is even worse at playing spin.

Fakhar too is a dud vs spin.
 
It will not be pathetic if you play openers as openers

Cant believe just to serve Rizwan; Misbah has to hide him at the TOP

If it was really easy to hide at the top then most of the pak great batsmans would have coverted themselves into openers.
 
We just saw how Fakher completely missed a simple Moeen delivery. You can't just have to hit sixes but have the ability to bat like an actual batsman. You just want sloggers getting their eyes closed and launching attacking mode. If it works it will definitely look good but if it fails then we would even struggle to score 100.

Also your strategy is less likely to work all the time unless you have batsmen like England who actually have the ability to hit anywhere in the ground not just leg side hackers which is what Fakher and Sharjeel are.

Rizwan struggled big time too.

AND

He scored more than 86% runs on the leg side. Singles doubles.
 
As if Rizwan was stroking marvelously through the points and cover region. Open your eyes Rizwan is a limited batsman as well and he plays for average as he knows the selection is done on average criteria.

Rizwan in 1st t20 got himself bailed out due to medicore bowling

Rizwan in 2nd t20 take the momentum of the inning out and got out when quick runs was needed

Rizwan in 3rd t20 played the whole inning and literally done nothing for pak
 
Please tell me if there is another batsman who can actually score runs at any position in this team bar Babar Azam and Rizwan.

People who slam Rizwan for his efforts should then slam every other player in the side for being even more mediocre.
 
Some shameless trolling of Riz going on here. Shows what a bunch of losers some pak fans here are.
 
As if Rizwan was stroking marvelously through the points and cover region. Open your eyes Rizwan is a limited batsman as well and he plays for average as he knows the selection is done on average criteria.

Rizwan in 1st t20 got himself bailed out due to medicore bowling

Rizwan in 2nd t20 take the momentum of the inning out and got out when quick runs was needed

Rizwan in 3rd t20 played the whole inning and literally done nothing for pak

Yes very well said, if Rizwan had been out cheaply today Pakistan would have got 200, with good contributions from Imad and Shadab - but unfortunately Rizwan wasted far too many balls for Imad and Shadab to play themselves in.
 
Yes very well said, if Rizwan had been out cheaply today Pakistan would have got 200, with good contributions from Imad and Shadab - but unfortunately Rizwan wasted far too many balls for Imad and Shadab to play themselves in.
Yes very true as shadab would have smacked them for 7-8 sixes and made a 70 odd in 25 balls.
 
Rizwan is bad eh?

Ok i wont waste my breath. Have a good evening.

For T20 batting he isn't the best around. You'll see more of it against good opposition.

We don't have an alternative is another discussion.
 
Rizwan is Pakistan's best batsman. He is going to be worlds one of the best very soon. Who opened this nonsense sense. A real pagol I see.
 
It beggars belief there are Pak fans on this forum who are calling for Rizwan to be replaced by Sarfaraz &#55357;&#56883;&#55357;&#56883; - Rizwan appears to be a clutch player and Pak needs to invest in him and needs to build a team around him.
 
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It beggars belief there are Pak fans on this forum who are calling for Rizwan to be replaced by Sarfaraz ���� - Rizwan appears to be a clutch player and Pak needs to invest in him and needs to build a team around him.

He is our best batsman in T20I since he started to open and he is more consistent and clutch than Babar in the T20 format. I am not surprised to see the posts in this thread, though. Some of these guys want us to play like England, but we simply don’t have the players. Rizwan is absolutely gold for a team like us. People advocate for Sharjeel, but he is not the same player he was during that phase in 2017. He has declined and looked awful in PSL, he is not going to be a hit like some of our fans dream of.
 
I hope this is sarcasm because those are some garbage names. 2 of who bat with a lower strike rate than Rizwan

Rizwan captivates your imagination with the bat more than Kamran Akmal and Imran Nazir? We are talking about opening batsmen here.
 
This is not England's best bowling yet;

Where are Stokes, Archer, Woakes?

Let Rizwan do what he is useless at; inflate against C/D bowling

Woakes won't get in the team in asain conditions.stokes doesn't make England bowling better or worser.
 
A top knock by Rizwan it's a shame the middle order didn't fire in the last 2 games
 
Rizwan captivates your imagination with the bat more than Kamran Akmal and Imran Nazir? We are talking about opening batsmen here.

You’re hating on Rizwan but you are talking positively about Kamran Akmal here?? The worst batsman in the history of our cricket to be given consistent chances.

Kami isn’t fit to tie Rizwan’s shoes his with his awful hacking. Tell me a worse batsman then Kami who played consistently for us and I’ll eat my words.
 
so we just have to wait for another couple of months before OP eats the humble pie. I admit Rizwan is the only player whome i never rated but he has proven me wrong. However if he is moved to #5/6 position which will be unfair given the success he had as an opener, he will fail, he is not power hitter.

There is no OTHER alternative, he is miles ahead of Saifi in any department let alone keeping


I wish we someone like Livingstone, the guy hits monstrous hits.
 
Pakistan is a team that has no talent, skill and mentality. A team that is bankrupt and borderline minnow.

Among all this disaster, we have one cricketer who is the best in the world with the gloves and a very solid batsman with better temperament, better match-awareness and more guys than the golden boy Babar.

And yet, some fans think it is reasonable to criticize Rizwan because he cannot blast sixes like Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Pandya, Pant etc.

He is not a huge six hitter but works around it very well and he can manage his limitations.

An intelligent player can hide his weaknesses and let his strengths carry him, and this is what Rizwan has done. His mentality is top notch and far ahead of anyone in Pakistan right now.

From a mentality POV, he is right up there with the likes of Younis Khan who forged a 50+ averaging Test career with 33 hundreds in spite of not having the natural talent on par with most batsmen in that league.

Rizwan will punch above his weight all his career, but some people will try to pull him down while overhyping vastly inferior players.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that the awful and embarrassing Sharjeel would score more runs at a better SR than him and have a bigger impact on the team.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that he would have the type of impact Roy, Buttler, Bairstow, Finch etc. have and take Pakistan to flying starts more often than not.

Absolutely ridiculous.
 
If there is a Jason Roy, Munro, Warner, Hales, Finch waiting in the wings, then sure you can replace Rizwan with him. Till then, be thankful for what you have.
This. Let's assume Rizwan is bad. What other options do Pakistan have? Hacks like Azam Khan & Sharjeel.
 
Not an opening batsmen.

Doesn't score fast enough.

I miss the days of Imran Nazir, Ahmed Shehzad and Kamran Akmal.

Lol at mentioning Kamran Akmal & Shezad. They were the definition of mediocrity. Imran Nazir played a decent knock in the T20 WC final. He was mediocre too.
 
I think him and Babar are great partners for each other in the middle going forward, just like Rizwan would most likely by my 4/5 in ODIs.

The OPs view is valid but different to mines. I am not asking for Riz to be removed from the team so Sarfaraz or next manz come into the side. Just let two out and out T20 openers do the business at the top and let Babar and Rizwan control the game in the middle. You will have to move to this strategy very soon once Hafeez and Malik are gone for good (in the next 6 months), so why waste time doing it now?

I would agree and am a fan of Sharjeel and Fakhar opening but the issue for Pakistan is that neither are Roy or Butler, they have not forged a successful partnership at the top or taken their chances when they have opened. I don’t like the idea of a Riswan and Babar opening pair but the fact is this is the pairing which has worked for Pakistan at the top in T20’s, we saw an example of this especially in the first T20, in ODI’s you’ve seen they have not worked as well in the middle and that should end that argument, in any case Riswan and Babar are the least of Pakistan’s concerns, the middle and lower orders are so brittle
 
Pakistan is a team that has no talent, skill and mentality. A team that is bankrupt and borderline minnow.

Among all this disaster, we have one cricketer who is the best in the world with the gloves and a very solid batsman with better temperament, better match-awareness and more guys than the golden boy Babar.

And yet, some fans think it is reasonable to criticize Rizwan because he cannot blast sixes like Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Pandya, Pant etc.

He is not a huge six hitter but works around it very well and he can manage his limitations.

An intelligent player can hide his weaknesses and let his strengths carry him, and this is what Rizwan has done. His mentality is top notch and far ahead of anyone in Pakistan right now.

From a mentality POV, he is right up there with the likes of Younis Khan who forged a 50+ averaging Test career with 33 hundreds in spite of not having the natural talent on par with most batsmen in that league.

Rizwan will punch above his weight all his career, but some people will try to pull him down while overhyping vastly inferior players.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that the awful and embarrassing Sharjeel would score more runs at a better SR than him and have a bigger impact on the team.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that he would have the type of impact Roy, Buttler, Bairstow, Finch etc. have and take Pakistan to flying starts more often than not.

Absolutely ridiculous.

Alan Border accepted the mediocrity of Aussie cricket in the 80's and worked his backside off to get them back to the top of world stage. But in Pakistan you have fans living in the 90's, & the 2000's, most of whom were spoiled by watching Pakistan win without much of a game plan through ball tempering and chucking and bought into the concept of unlimited talent pool of Pakistan.
Pakistan in the last 30 years haven't produced a single cricketer who has any credibility for his tactical & technical knowledge of the game outside Pakistan.
 
Pakistan is a team that has no talent, skill and mentality. A team that is bankrupt and borderline minnow.

Among all this disaster, we have one cricketer who is the best in the world with the gloves and a very solid batsman with better temperament, better match-awareness and more guys than the golden boy Babar.

And yet, some fans think it is reasonable to criticize Rizwan because he cannot blast sixes like Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Pandya, Pant etc.

He is not a huge six hitter but works around it very well and he can manage his limitations.

An intelligent player can hide his weaknesses and let his strengths carry him, and this is what Rizwan has done. His mentality is top notch and far ahead of anyone in Pakistan right now.

From a mentality POV, he is right up there with the likes of Younis Khan who forged a 50+ averaging Test career with 33 hundreds in spite of not having the natural talent on par with most batsmen in that league.

Rizwan will punch above his weight all his career, but some people will try to pull him down while overhyping vastly inferior players.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that the awful and embarrassing Sharjeel would score more runs at a better SR than him and have a bigger impact on the team.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that he would have the type of impact Roy, Buttler, Bairstow, Finch etc. have and take Pakistan to flying starts more often than not.

Absolutely ridiculous.

This is a brilliant summary of the current situation, it still astounds me "Pakistan Fans" actually have the nerve to criticize Rizwan.
 
Pakistan is a team that has no talent, skill and mentality. A team that is bankrupt and borderline minnow.

Among all this disaster, we have one cricketer who is the best in the world with the gloves and a very solid batsman with better temperament, better match-awareness and more guys than the golden boy Babar.

And yet, some fans think it is reasonable to criticize Rizwan because he cannot blast sixes like Roy, Bairstow, Buttler, Pandya, Pant etc.

He is not a huge six hitter but works around it very well and he can manage his limitations.

An intelligent player can hide his weaknesses and let his strengths carry him, and this is what Rizwan has done. His mentality is top notch and far ahead of anyone in Pakistan right now.

From a mentality POV, he is right up there with the likes of Younis Khan who forged a 50+ averaging Test career with 33 hundreds in spite of not having the natural talent on par with most batsmen in that league.

Rizwan will punch above his weight all his career, but some people will try to pull him down while overhyping vastly inferior players.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that the awful and embarrassing Sharjeel would score more runs at a better SR than him and have a bigger impact on the team.

They have deluded themselves into thinking that he would have the type of impact Roy, Buttler, Bairstow, Finch etc. have and take Pakistan to flying starts more often than not.

Absolutely ridiculous.
Very true. Infact the trend i saw in pakistan since from a long time is that whenever someone starts performing people starts pointing out the flaws in that player. He does not bats like so and so, he don't know his off stump, he can't bat in so and so conditions against so and so teams blah blah blah. Let them perform, let them groom themselves into a better player and fix their weaknesses. Thats how a good batsman is converted into a world class player. But instead of doing it that player is dropped after 1-2 failures and a mediocre player is replaced with him who fails even more miserably. Meanwhile the dropped player who was performing earlier, looses all his confidence and starts declining as a player. And that cycle is going on since last 2 decades which resulted in hardly any batsman to develop himself into a world class player except babar.
 
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