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[MENTION=135126]tempus123[/MENTION]
I don't think it is possible for anyone to escape unharmed after commiting such a heinous crime.
No amount of bribing,black-mailing,oppression can stop the truth from coming out in such a high profile riot.
I am satisfied with the way SIT dealt with the situation.Supreme Court too expressed its satisfaction.And all petitions for Modi's prosecutions were rightaway rejected.
On top of that Modi had been elected twice as CM by the public of Gujarat since.
Ofcourse the first and foremost thing is that he got a clean chit from the Supreme court.
Courts have given clean chits to a lot of scums.. if you go by Court decisions, A Raja is not guilty, along with Jayalalitha. Let me know the list of politicians who were given punishment by Court.
This clean chit is not the proof of his innocence.
oh bhai
I am saying being elected to a position of power doesn't mean you are innocent of a crime as that poster claimed. It was in response to an assertion made by a poster.
This is not in relation to Modi and neither am I doubting the verdict of the courts nor do I care a whole lot.
An elected person may be innocent in the eyes of the people who voted for him but that's not a good standard to judge anything on because Hitler and other tyrants have also been elected
So because Assad is Syrian and killing Syrians in Syria nobody but the opinion of Syrians and Syrian courts matters?
Good logic ... We should give you an award.
A.Raja is not guilty?When did that happen?He is out on bail.
I am sure he will not get punishment.. let me name a few more against whom creating "evidence" is difficult and almost impossible.
Robert Vadra and Gandhi family.. do you honestly think there will be proof of them having amassed so much illegal money.. no.. in court nothing will be proven.. and someone not proven guilty is innocent.
You also need to check SIT's repeated flips or "benefits of doubt" extended to Mr. Modi in case of his inaction in riots.
A.Raja was in jail for months so forget about him getting away.
Vadra is already being investigated.Anyone would want a airtight case againist him before touching him and we know why.
The SIT's report was overseen by the Supreme Court and the govt. at the center was UPA who were doing everything in their power to bring Modi down.If after all that he has been found innocent then i have little doubt about it.
Have you heard about the concept of Nation States and their sovereignity and internal matters?If not read about it.
India is a sovereign state.Gujurat a province in India and what happens there is India's internal matter.You can keep whining about it makes zero difference to anyone.
Germany was a sovereign nation but other nations had to stick their nose in when their interests were threatened. No one was doing anything to Germany until they elected Hitler, which led to the persecution of Jews and mass genocide. Other nation had to do something or they were next. Their are certain points where you have to do something instead of saying that none of my business.
If ever, in 5 years of Modi Govt., Vadra gets behind the bars, I will accept all that you say, and apologize for questioning Indian justice system.. but if it doesn't happen, you will accept that there was no case against him and he was innocent.
Don't forget, Haryana and Rajasthan also have BJP Govt.. they don't have any excuse not to do that against Vadra..
that doesn't show anything
Hitler was elected in a fair election too
That is an absurd comparison on so many fronts that I don't even know where to start.
Frequently, those who oppose democracy argue that Hitler was elected democratically in 1932.They are of the view that since he was elected, it proved the inherent danger of democracies electing tyrants.
Firstly, Hitler was never elected.In 1932, he got 30% of the votes where there was no majority.In the run off elections, he got 37% of the votes while Marshall Hidenberg got majority.So Hitler had no chance at all.Yet he was appointed Chancellor.Why ?
Backdoor backstabbings, double crossings,threats etc were the main ingredients which persuaded President Hidenberg to appoint Hitler Chancellor.The move was supposed to bring Hitler under control.It, however, backfired.
Hitler then manipulated Hidenberg by convincing him that the communists were upto something.This led Hidenberg to pass a law which would give Hitler complete power of the state to keep a check on the communists.
And then there was no turning back and marked the beginning of his dictatorship.He destroyed political parties,freedom of speech,intimidated the public and then managed 50% votes in March 1933 which was supposed to be a "free & fair" election.
Holocaust and WW 2 happened after these events.So even if he was elected fairly, your arguement doesn't hold water.
Modi was elected twice after Gujarat riots but Hitler??well he didn't live to see another election.
This in my eyes is proof enough to suggest that the public (both Hindus and muslims) had faith in Modi and certainly don't hold him responsible.
By the way, my maternal uncle and his family have been residents for over a decade... and I am a frequent visitor.So I am well aware of the situation and assure you there is no dictatorship.
I doubt it. Please check one thread created by [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] where he explored the line between being guilty without being legally proven so. I urge you to check that and then let me know. A CM can do these things in a subtle support of the rioters without actually doing anything which can result in conviction.
The logic of him being selected twice by Gujarat public, to prove his innocence, is faulty. In fact, his image of being pro-Hindu may have polarized the votes (along with his development model) and Hindus might have supported him for teaching these muslims a 'lesson' in riots.
Can you provide me the link ?
A CM can be convicted in that case too.
Modi was found not guilty of complicit in the riots as well.So it doesn't make sense.
To be honest, I don't think he was elected twice exclusively for being pro-Hindu.We'll agree to disagree here.From my experience I can say that PRESENTLY the Hindu-Muslim sentiment in Gujarat is same as that in Rest of India.
again unnecessary.
A poster said:
This implies that just because he was elected by popular vote means he has a clean chit.
I replied:
So I was just stating a historical fact and pointing out that by concluding from someone's election that he is innocent is faulty.
And I am not asking for Indians to accept anything and neither care much about the choices made by the Indian people and the Indian courts as those are their prerogatives.
My point was just to point out a fallacy whereby a win in an election automatically means innocence. I was pointing to the holes in this concept in general and not Modi's case specifically
i dont know whether you guys dont read it, act purposely disingenuous or dont understand but i have explained it enough times
my point is thus.
Winning an election is not a standard that can be used to term anyone innocent or guilty
Courts do. So quoting the court decision to vouch for Modi being innocent is understandable but an election win means nothing and wont hold much weight in any intelligent debate
i dont know whether you guys dont read it, act purposely disingenuous or dont understand but i have explained it enough times
my point is thus.
Winning an election is not a standard that can be used to term anyone innocent or guilty
Courts do. So quoting the court decision to vouch for Modi being innocent is understandable but an election win means nothing and wont hold much weight in any intelligent debate
Plus you have only repeated the same statement .No arguements or valid examples to back it.How do you expect an intelligent debate?
Hitler is not an example.The world knows he didn't win a free & fair election.
Election wins matter. The judges may in the pockets of politicians (which it happens in many countries), but if elections are held free and fair, then public opinion matters. That's how democracy is supposed to work.
The only time election wins can't be used as a parameter is when you can accuse majority of the population to support the person in whatever crime he did, and thus elect him for commiting that crime. Which, sadly (for your POV) or not, is not why people voted Modi in.
Most of the Hindus I interacted with, have voted for him for the exact same reason. I interacted with some 5k or 6k voters, so sample space is low, but I am sure there are many.
Voted him for his presidence over the riots?
The sample size is really low compared to the total # of votes. But I did say it - the court of public opinion only fails to hold when a significant # people side with a leader because of whatever crimes he committed. This could make for an interesting Pew poll in India.
Yes. They voted for his role (or potential) to teach these muslims a lesson. 5k or 6k is a small sample, but good indicator of overall mood. By the way, not all among those 6k voters voted for the same reason, but around 70-80% among them were sympathetic and agreeing to this philosophy of teaching these muslims a lesson.
Again, like I said, the sample is too small and not randomized enough to make any conclusion.
Are there people who think like that? Sure, probably in tens of thousands. But if the majority who voted for him thought like that, you'd actually see him doing what they voted him to do, otherwise he'll be criticized.
If you follow news in India, you will know the ghosts of 2002 still don't leave him and his actions are viewed with that lens. So, I can safely rule out the most people who voted for him did that for his alleged role in riots.
Sir, I not only follow news in India, I lived in Gujarat. I can tell you, this is a wide public sentiment in Gujarat, though many wouldn't admit it in public. The development model had a huge factor, but you can't deny religious sentiments working in favour of Modi in Gujarat elections.
Let me give you another example, why do you think in Western UP, BJP won all the seats, in the Jat land ? Jats moved to BJP for it's support to them in teaching muslims of Western UP a lesson, defeating Jat stalwarts like Jogi. I am sure you know about Mujjaffarnagar riots in 2013.
Cant expect an intelligent debate with you if you cant get a basic concept.
I am not doubting Modi's innocence mainly because do I not care much for it
I am just stating a fact that a win in an election does not equal to a certificate of innocence under any circumstance. Which is what you implied in your original statement
news to me and me alone
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1932 was free but Hitler was not elected by the public.
Seems like I wasted my 10 minutes typing in that huge post regarding Hitler's example you gave![]()
Gujarat is topic for another thread. A very polarized society. Both Hindus and Muslims from there are very suspicious of each other.
I said it before and I'll say it again - tens of thousands had this as one (not only) factor in mind when they voted for him. But my inkling is that more voted for him without that as one of the factors.
Then, it's no different from Owaisi getting voted in Hyderabad. X % of his voters vote him for keeping the Hindus in check in Hyderabad.
Also, we should judge him by his current actions now that he is PM.
this back and forth is becoming a joke now
how was he not elected by the public when the party he was leading won the election. You do know how parliamentary elections work right?
anyways my last post. You shift too many goal posts so its hard to take the discussion seriously.
Anyways your ignorance abt the topic was exposed when you claimed that hitler did not win in a free and fair election but when i pointed that out and your likely wikipedia search confirmed it you again changed your opinion.
IMO, the following factors were all at play:
1. pro-development image and hence job opportunity
2. Image of strong decisive personality to take economy back on track
3. Image of strong nationalism, working for India's interests against enemies like Pak/China and domestic interests.
4. Image of strong Hinduism to get rid of muslim appeasement and Hindu pride, a desire of teaching the muslims a fitting lesson.
Now, all of it could be false, or at least not to the degree people expected him to.
No 4 didn't bring in the votes and never will. What the heck are you even talking about?
No 4 didn't bring in the votes and never will. What the heck are you even talking about?
Modi this Modi that, all this concern and love for the muslims in India from our Pakistani muslim counter parts. If only you had the heart to feel the same compassion, concern and love for your own minorities that were not muslims, maybe they would not be facing extinction now..... Always look yourself in the mirror before you point fingers at others....
Equally if Indians are going to flood onto a Pak site and act like they are somehow doing us a favour then maybe there would be less talk about India in the first place.
All the Indians will immediately leave this forum once all discussions regarding Indian Cricket Team, Indian Politics, Bollywood etc are banned.Do you think that is possible ?
Just because this is a Pak forum doesn't mean you will expect Indians to behave like second class citizens.This forum vouches to treat all its posters irrespective of their nationality with the same yardstick.
And you very well know that Indians don't "act" any different from Pakistanis.
No one asks Indians to behave like second class citizens, just showing some grace to your Pakistani hosts would be a start. If Narendra Modi is going to take hostile digs at Pakistan and then you come on here to support his insolence then of course it will be seen as crass behaviour. If Pakistanis behaved this way on an Indian forum they'd be banned within an hour. Luckily for you guys the policies are much more relaxed here.
In this thread - people who have no idea how google works
You are saying Google has nothing to do with the search results that appear on its engine?
No you misunderstood him.
Google pics images from sites that come high in search results for certain terms (basically sites that google considers is extremely relevant for certain keywords).
If a site that ranks high on Google talks about Modi being a terrorist or criminal...Google's algorithms will pick on that.
A good SEO can get any person's picture and get it on Google's results for
terrorist
criminal
rapist
serial killer
etc, etc
If people understand how Google works and gets its results, this whole issue will look mega silly.
And now when the Indian Government or the BJP make a big deal out of it they are actually increasing the chances he stays on that list lol.
The more sites mention this, the more popular it will become. After a while even news websites (such as the the Sun, Daily Fail ..) will start mentioning it. Not only that, but every site that mentions it will also mention the words "India", "Indian", "Prime Minister" - a powerful combination of keywords.Not really.
It depends on the sites and its relevance for certain keywords according to Google signals.
Though government making a big deal out of this will make this news stay fresh.![]()
The more sites mention this, the more popular it will become. After a while even news websites (such as the the Sun, Daily Fail ..) will start mentioning it. Not only that, but every site that mentions it will also mention the words "India", "Indian", "Prime Minister" - a powerful combination of keywords.
Just before I posted this, I googled the words "Modi Prime Minister". The top result was regarding Modi endorsing the paying of reparations, but interestingly, at the bottom of the first page was a search result for Modi being amongst "World's most stupid prime ministers"Possible.
They may have an impact on Google's image results (cos they are authority sites) but those could fall off too (with time - not sure). But sites with a solid ranking for these keywords (current sites) would have the images stuck on Google.
Dunno how much weightage Google gives for each set.
Well, what a wonderful coincidence. I was about to say the exact same thing about you. Word for word.
Brother KKWC is not comparable to that terrorist called Modi. All brother KKWC doing is practicing freedom of speech out of respect of his country. Modi on the hand is responsible of killing dozens of innocent people.
Varanasi: The minute's silence observed by the Indian Parliament on Thursday in homage to the victims of the Hiroshima bombing 70 years back was described as a "touching moment" by Japanese Minister Motoyuki Fujii in Varanasi as he prayed for a world "free from all kind of violence and wars".
The Japanese Minister of State for Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology also thanked Prime Minister Narendra Modi for his message of solidarity for the victims of the atomic bomb which was dropped on Hiroshima during World War II.
"It was really a very touching moment for us (people of Japan) when the Indian Parliament kept a one minute silence to pay respect and show solidarity towards the victims of Hiroshima bombing."
"We are extremely touched and feel grateful to the people of India for this," Mr Fujii told PTI in Varanasi.
Mr Fujii further said, "I thank Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who tweeted his condolences for the victims, and even our Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has replied thanking PM Modi on this."
In a tweet today, PM Modi said, "My homage to all those who lost their lives in Hiroshima. The bombings remind us of the horrors of war & their effect on humanity."
Mr Fujii, meanwhile, visited Sarnath in Varanasi and said that it was a "touching experience" for him.
"Japan is a Buddhist-centric country. Most of the Japanese people recognise India as the place where Buddhism originated and they (Japanese people) have a lot of affinity towards India," he said.
Mr Fujii, who met three Union ministers in Delhi, said that his meeting was very fruitful.
"I had a good fortune to meet three Union ministers, including science and technology minister Harsh Vardhan. Discussions were held on a wide range of issues and were very fruitful," he said.
Mr Fujii, who reached Varanasi on Thursday, will inaugurate the 6th IJAA-JSPS International conference on 'Contemporary Advances of Science and Technology' starting tomorrow at Banaras Hindu University in Varanasi.