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New Zealand [229/2] defeat Bangladesh [226] by 8 wickets, take 2-0 series lead in 3-match series

Aman said:
He was out of form, didn't score against SL either after the first match.

Starting to look like he's starting to hit top form.
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A lot of kiwis (except for boult) were out of form against Indians though.
 
Good attitude. Atleast some entertainment by Guptill. Actually i quiet like him as a player. Not boring like Williamson.
 
Since this match is quickly getting out of reach, I would lose it if Sarkar/Sabbir/Mahmudullah are called to bowl again.
 
Shoaib88 said:
Since this match is quickly getting out of reach, I would lose it if Sarkar/Sabbir/Mahmudullah are called to bowl again.
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In the current mood Guptill could destroy him as well. Atleast he can retain some confidence for the next match
 
Mohammad Saifuddin is a good talent, he might not have had best outings in this match but I have lot of faith in him. Fast bowling all rounders are not easy to find for asian teams.
 
Shoaib88 said:
Mohammad Saifuddin is a good talent, he might not have had best outings in this match but I have lot of faith in him. Fast bowling all rounders are not easy to find for asian teams.
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He is pretty strongly built. He could still add a few kms
 
jnaveen1980 said:
In the current mood Guptill could destroy him as well. Atleast he can retain some confidence for the next match
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better to get destroyed now than in the world cup, at least bowlers will learn something here. These matches should just be treated as warm-ups for world cup and finalsing the squad. So now point in bowling part timers
 
It all comes down to Bangladesh not being able to produce batsmen who can score centuries. As i said earlier total number of career centuries by Bangladesh is 31 including Shakib. Some of them have been playing for more than 10 years. Look at Guptill.. Solid 100.
 
Aman said:
Started from the SL series, Kane and Guptill haven't been good.
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I didnt follow the sri lanka series but I thought you guys smashed them. Thats why lot of people were predicting you guys to win against India too.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It all comes down to Bangladesh not being able to produce batsmen who can score centuries. As i said earlier total number of career centuries by Bangladesh is 31 including Shakib. Some of them have been playing for more than 10 years. Look at Guptill.. Solid 100.
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If Bangladesh were chasing 230 odd, there was a more than decent chance of someone scoring a solid hundred.
 
Shoaib88 said:
I didnt follow the sri lanka series but I thought you guys smashed them. Thats why lot of people were predicting you guys to win against India too.
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Smashed them but Kane and Guptill were noticeably not in form for it.

First match of the series was Guptill's return back from injury he scored a century then struggled from then on i.e. not hitting the ball cleanly like you expect from him. That's what I mean by out of form.
 
Aman said:
Yeah, did you see Guptill and Kane against SL?
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Getting two low scores in a row don't mean he suddenly goes out of form after a century. But getting repeatedly exposed the same way for 3 or 4 times in a row mean good bowiling.
 
New zealand are a very strong side at home, I remember how much even England struggled here. Let alone Asian countries (except for India).
 
WengerOut said:
If Bangladesh were chasing 230 odd, there was a more than decent chance of someone scoring a solid hundred.
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What? I am talking about 10 year careers of many players. Are you saying Bangladesh never had a chance to chase 230 in that period?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Getting two low scores in a row don't mean he suddenly goes out of form after a century. But getting repeatedly exposed the same way for 3 or 4 times in a row mean good bowiling.
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You clearly have never seen them bat much before. With Kane it's more techincal weaknesses tying him down and not picking the lengths of deliveries (hence chopping on a lot), while Guptill has not struck the ball well most of the summer.
 
Aman said:
You clearly have never seen them bat much before. With Kane it's more techincal weaknesses tying him down and not picking the lengths of deliveries (hence chopping on a lot), while Guptill has not struck the ball well most of the summer.
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This is hilarious. Kane has technical weakness but Guptill not.
 
WengerOut said:
This is hilarious. Kane has technical weakness but Guptill not.
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The thing is even when Guptill has scored runs, he hasn't been fluent. That's why everyone is saying he's out of form.

Guptill when he's in touch strikes it exceptionally well, he effortlessly hits boundaries.
 
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Aman said:
You clearly have never seen them bat much before. With Kane it's more techincal weaknesses tying him down and not picking the lengths of deliveries (hence chopping on a lot), while Guptill has not struck the ball well most of the summer.
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So your own biased commies telling how he is struggling against incoming balls from Bhuvaneswar and shami is just a cool story? lol Now magically he has found form rigth after the series? Not even guptill will try to sell this story.
 
LOL Guptill feasting on some lollipops:)) He was clueless against Indians. DIdn't even go beyond 20 I think
 
Aman said:
The thing is even when Guptill has scored runs, he hasn't been fluent. That's why everyone is saying he's out of form.

Guptill when he's in touch strikes it exceptionally well, he effortlessly hits boundaries.
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If anything, Kane was out of form for me. If he was in form, things couldve been little bit different. Guptill was having this problem against Umesh Yadav of all people when they toured India.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
So your own biased commies telling how he is struggling against incoming balls from Bhuvaneswar and shami is just a cool story? lol Now magically he has found form rigth after the series? Not even guptill will try to sell this story.
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So a player in form wont be better equipped to handle that than someone who is out of form as is?

Have you seen how badly hes been striking the ball of late?
 
BD bowling wakes up only on slow low pitches like Bangladesh pitches, UAE pitches i suppose. How are they going to survive in England. I still cannot believe they beat Pakistan in England in 1999 world cup lol
 
WengerOut said:
If anything, Kane was out of form for me. If he was in form, things couldve been little bit different. Guptill was having this problem against Umesh Yadav of all people when they toured India.
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Eh, he's been looking rough since the SL series.
 
Aman said:
So a player in form wont be better equipped to handle that than someone who is out of form as is?

Have you seen how badly hes been striking the ball of late?
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He had to stay long enough to know how badly he strikes the ball lol He hardly stayed at the wicket.
 
Hopefully BD test bowling lineup is much better. Sick if this Saifuddin, Sarkar, Sabbir, Mahmudullah bowling dollies.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He had to stay long enough to know how badly he strikes the ball lol He hardly stayed at the wicket.
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He was returning from injury so people wrote it off as rust, he scored a century first match too but that wasn't really fluent either. Later on people started calling it form, even the last game he didn't look very fluent.
 
WengerOut said:
If anything, Kane was out of form for me. If he was in form, things couldve been little bit different. Guptill was having this problem against Umesh Yadav of all people when they toured India.
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Kane is quality. Guptill is also. But you could work him out. India stifled Kane by having a fielder at that backward point or short htirdman area to cut off his singles and also had a fielder at midwicket. He was completely choked by that strategy. He coudln't get runs anywhere else
 
BDfanforever said:
Hopefully BD test bowling lineup is much better. Sick if this Saifuddin, Sarkar, Sabbir, Mahmudullah bowling dollies.
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Bangladesh ODI bowling is much stronger than tests. You are just facing a team which is a beast at home conditions.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He has a weakness when the ball decks back and targets the pad. India was relentless with that line, they had bowlers to execute that plan. Mashrafe with that belly could hardly clock 125 kph. They missed a trick of not having a faster bowler like Taskin (assuming he is still in the scheme of things). This bowling line up is non-threatening. Teams have to drop their guard for this bowling line up to have some success.
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Whether you guys hate dhoni as much you can .he always comes up with master stroke plan to dismiss other team crucial batsmen
 
Aman said:
He was returning from injury so people wrote it off as rust, he scored a century first match too but that wasn't really fluent either. Later on people started calling it form, even the last game he didn't look very fluent.
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whatever helps you
 
jnaveen1980 said:
People would buy this story the two series were seperated by like months and he had some cricket in between.
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You've watched the last two matches he's scored runs, it's definitely someone who is not in form and is trying to find form.
 
Man Guptill did not look good in the back end of that innings.

Not going to be happy just yet to say he's in form, still not convinced despite the runs.
 
Shoaib88 said:
Bangladesh ODI bowling is much stronger than tests. You are just facing a team which is a beast at home conditions.
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Yeah in the past, but now test bowling is expected to be significantly stronger with Ebadat-Khaled-Abu Jayed-Fizz. However they are new and dont have any experience.
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] Any reason why Latham is not considered for opening? I believe he did that in India
 
BDfanforever said:
Yeah in the past, but now test bowling is expected to be significantly stronger with Ebadat-Khaled-Abu Jayed-Fizz. However they are new and dont have any experience.
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ranked 9th in Tests, just lost a test match at home to Zimbawe, ranked 7th in ODIs and beaten many top ODI sides, its obvious Bangladesh is much stronger in ODIs than in tests
 
I see BD bowling gets a tap here. But This is not a 227 all out pitch. Batsmen need to be blamed. NZ gave so many chances. So many wides were bowled. Atrocious display on the field. yet BD managed to get bowled out on this pitch.
 
Shoaib88 said:
He was "out of form", nothing to do with Indian bowling
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Yep..all the opponents of India are always out of form. Guptill can't handle incoming deliveries. He can feast on easy attacks.
 
rhony said:
Yep..all the opponents of India are always out of form. Guptill can't handle incoming deliveries. He can feast on easy attacks.
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So a player can't be out of form and have his weaknesses exploited?

Because there's been very few times this summer Guptill has looked in touch and struck the ball well.

Jesus you Indian posters are so sensitive. Can't even handle someone saying Guptill is out of form.
 
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Going to need Guptill and Kane to find some form or we're going to struggle big time in the WC.

Guptill is scoring runs but this Bangladesh attack isn't very good and he hasn't been all that convincing.

Most teams have worked Kane over, SL had the same plan to him, India completely shut him out and Bangadesh have done it in part too.
 
Aman said:
Going to need Guptill and Kane to find some form or we're going to struggle big time in the WC.

Guptill is scoring runs but this Bangladesh attack isn't very good and he hasn't been all that convincing.
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Boult is going to most crucial member of Kiwi team in Englands swinging conditions
 
Aman said:
So a player can't be out of form and have his weaknesses exploited?

Because there's been very few times this summer Guptill has looked in touch and struck the ball well.

Jesus you Indian posters are so sensitive. Can't even handle someone saying Guptill is out of form.
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Some of us cricket lovers understand the game than simply saying "He's out of form"

Kane was out of form and I explained clearly why. His modes of dismissals and him misjudging the line and length on his bread and butter strokes

Guptill looked in good touch for as long as he played against India. Indians exploited his weakness and so will every other potent bowling attack.

Still remember your anguish from that series when you were eagerly waiting for Pakistan to knock India out of WC in Eng because you were upset with NZ losing to India:))

Talk about sensitive:))
 
rhony said:
Some of us cricket lovers understand the game than simply saying "He's out of form"

Kane was out of form and I explained clearly why. His modes of dismissals and him misjudging the line and length on his bread and butter strokes

Guptill looked in good touch for as long as he played against India. Indians exploited his weakness and so will every other potent bowling attack.

Still remember your anguish from that series when you were eagerly waiting for Pakistan to knock India out of WC in India because you were upset with NZ losing to India:))

Talk about sensitive:))
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Guptill didn't look in good touch against SL or here either.... while scoring runs.
 
Sabbir Rehman???!!! Mortaza should never be made the captain again, this was ideal situtation for Bangladesh to try out Fizz as the world cup is around the corner!!!
 
BDfanforever said:
They aren’t picking the right combination. They are testing to see how many we can score with 9 batsman. Apparently only like 220 lol.
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Not a single batsman could convert. Tamim is the only guy who can produce long innings in this line up. Occasionally Rahim. Not a single batsman averages over 40 in this line up.

Career strike rate
Tamim 77.94
Shakib 81.26
Rahim 77.55
Mahamudlla 75.85
Imrul 71.10

ONly guy who has decent strike rate is Soumya sarkar with 98.75

Total Number of centuries by current Bangladesh players - 31

These are poor numbers.
 
rhony said:
He was scoring boundaries with ease until they got him
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If that were the case they wouldn't be talking about fluency. This is still Bangladesh too, they aren't going to test him even if he's out of form.
 
How did NZ lose that CT game against us? They would’ve given India much tougher fight whereas we just gave wickets to Kedar Jadhav.
 
Damn Martin Guptill with back to back centuries against some amazing bowlers. Gotta applaud the effort, it's not often you see someone bat so well against great bowling attacks.
 
Lack of penetration of BD bowling is alarming and bigger problem is that there arent a lot of penetrative options available.
 
Titan24 said:
Lack of penetration of BD bowling is alarming and bigger problem is that there arent a lot of penetrative options available.
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They should follow the Srilankan rule book. Going for "mystery" spinners. Also BD should continue encouraging raw pace bowling.
 
It is very odd BD is playing 3 tests ahead of world cup. But fans must be happy to have a 3 test series. More exposure against quality swing bowling.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It is very odd BD is playing 3 tests ahead of world cup. But fans must be happy to have a 3 test series. More exposure against quality swing bowling.
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Pretty pointless, should have lined up another ODI series with Pakistan, WI or England.
 
Series sealed, think Kane is being rested next game.

Not sure about that, he needs to play more.
 
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