New Zealand (283/1) hammer England (282/9) by 9 wickets to win Match 1 of the ICC World Cup 2023

Which side will win the ICC World Cup 2023 game between England and New Zealand?


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I do not want to write England off here.
No one is writing them off.

It's just people overrated the England team just like they always underrated the NZ team without understanding why.

2019 England had 2 bazzball openers and a bazzball finisher in bairstow, Roy and butler.

The middle order with root, Morgan and Stokes were disciplined batsmen who anchored and struck well, and the bowling line up especially with wood and Plucknett was killer.

Stokes isn't playing in this game and Brook is a poor replacement for Morgan. You're basically playing with bazzball player with only root to anchor. Just like against bamgaldesh this team can either smack a 400 or just collapse altogether.

NZ however unlike 2019 where their batting was reliant on William, here their batting is so good that Williamson is ironically the weak link lol.

They have disciplined batsmen, with disciplined bowlers and they aren't even playing full strength today. Only spin department sucks. Also they got a goated captain as both latham and Williamson know how to lead such as bowling Henry out cause their going for the kill, not like some captain who stick to formula.


NZ is a very very strong team and posters like Express pacers shouldn't just look at names and stats to decide who's gonna win and who isn't.

World cup is about player mentality + Captaincy + team discipline which NZ has unlike England which is standard do or die approach, no in-between.
 
No one is writing them off.

It's just people overrated the England team just like they always underrated the NZ team without understanding why.

2019 England had 2 bazzball openers and a bazzball finisher in bairstow, Roy and butler.

The middle order with root, Morgan and Stokes were disciplined batsmen who anchored and struck well, and the bowling line up especially with wood and Plucknett was killer.

Stokes isn't playing in this game and Brook is a poor replacement for Morgan. You're basically playing with bazzball player with only root to anchor. Just like against bamgaldesh this team can either smack a 400 or just collapse altogether.

NZ however unlike 2019 where their batting was reliant on William, here their batting is so good that Williamson is ironically the weak link lol.

They have disciplined batsmen, with disciplined bowlers and they aren't even playing full strength today. Only spin department sucks. Also they got a goated captain as both latham and Williamson know how to lead such as bowling Henry out cause their going for the kill, not like some captain who stick to formula.


NZ is a very very strong team and posters like Express pacers shouldn't just look at names and stats to decide who's gonna win and who isn't.

World cup is about player mentality + Captaincy + team discipline which NZ has unlike England which is standard do or die approach, no in-between.

Give the same team to any think tank you will be looking at 350. They came out with precise plans for each batsman and executed them. They have 3 full time bowlers. 2 fast bowlers 1 spinners. It tells you how that plays a part. They are also a great fielding unit.
 
People don’t realize how big of a factor Archer was in that World Cup for England. They don’t have that cushion anymore, so they need to bulldoze teams with their batting firepower.

If they play like this, they won’t be able to make it past the first round.
 
Give the same team to any think tank you will be looking at 350. They came out with precise plans for each batsman and executed them. They have 3 full time bowlers. 2 fast bowlers 1 spinners. It tells you how that plays a part. They are also a great fielding unit.

That's what I'm saying, Past stats mean nothing. Nz is a very disciplined and a very strong tournament team. They know how to plan, execute and they don't press panic buttons just cause teams get off to a flyer like bairstow did.

It's why they reached finals in the past. No one looks at these guys but their the team to beat.

Everyone is looking at papers and past statistics. Check for how tournament teams like Australia and new zeland play instead.
 
i caught a few leagues where Boult played. He has massively improved as a death bowler. Today's bowling only confirms that.
 
Boult improved his death bowling after playing more and more franchise cricket :) Money driven motivation.
 
282/9 let us see. They will dearly miss Kane williamson. He is good for these mid level chases.
 
Totally agree but some pandit said Indian pitch are most flat .
Yes, the wicket is flat. Inspite of reguraly loosing wickets, england have scored 280+. New zealand actually planned well and bowled accordingly which is required on such wickets.
 
Below par score. Needed minimum 300. But with good bowling this total is competitive. England will need to bowl well in the powerplay.
 
Teams like Bangladesh/Afghanistan must be happy to see how things went in the middle overs. If these guys get out to Glen philips no reason why they won't struggle against Mehidy or Mujeeb
 
Seamers economy rates by length.

Full length - 10.5
Good length - 2.5
Short length - 4.5

Proper Test match bowling needed here by English seamers. Floaty stuff getting smashed out of the park.
 
Can’t predict who will win

But I hope New Zealand 279 ao
 
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People got to forget about bilateral where 350 is smashed.

World Cup avg scores are typically lower than you expect - remember 2019.

Chasing especially isn't easy. World Cup pressure does funny things to players.
 
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26 % of the total scored by 7,8,9,10,11.
At 7 they a proper batsman and if they have such batting depth than they should have score 330 as they play too many all rounders .280 can be scored by top 6-7 batsman in India . point is they have batting up to 10 still can't score 330 .
 
At 7 they a proper batsman and if they have such batting depth than they should have score 330 as they play too many all rounders .280 can be scored by top 6-7 batsman in India . point is they have batting up to 10 still can't score 330 .
Yeah I don't see that happening with India. This may well prove to be a winning score if English quicks rein their lengths in.

The Indian top 6 is not significantly better.
 
At 7 they a proper batsman and if they have such batting depth than they should have score 330 as they play too many all rounders .280 can be scored by top 6-7 batsman in India . point is they have batting up to 10 still can't score 330 .

In India you need a bit of versatile unit. Couple of anchors which England has in Dhawid Malan and Root. But Malan's strong suit is not spin. Buttler looked good. completely botched. Moeen should be kept down the order in case of a collapse. He can do some damage late in the innings. Instead they could use Curran up the order
 
Yeah I don't see that happening with India. This may well prove to be a winning score if English quicks rein their lengths in.

The Indian top 6 is not significantly better.
This is not a winning score as England don't have quality bowlers who can defend this score. They always need 330 above to defend the score
 
Tom Latham was spot on with his captaincy in the first innings. Brave Captaincy
 
In India you need a bit of versatile unit. Couple of anchors which England has in Dhawid Malan and Root. But Malan's strong suit is not spin. Buttler looked good. completely botched. Moeen should be kept down the order in case of a collapse. He can do some damage late in the innings. Instead they could use Curran up the order
The way they were playing I don't think they can reach semifinals now if they lost today matches. 2 more lose( Likely two against any of theses teams -India , Australia,SAF and Pakistan) and they are out of semi race
 
The 13th edition of ICC Men's Cricket World Cup commenced at Ahmedabad on Thursday with a contest between England and New Zealand.

A brilliant 3/48 from Matt Henry and meaningful contributions from Mitchell Santner (2/37) and Glenn Phillips (2/17) helped New Zealand keep England's scoring rate in check during the opening encounter of the Cricket World Cup.

Match 1: England 282/9 (50 overs) vs New Zealand

The arrival of Jos Buttler in the 22nd over lifted the scoring rate. The England skipper took some time to get his eye in, and then went after the bowlers. His first boundary came against Rachin Ravindra, whom he carted over the rope in the 27th over. Thereafter, he kept his foot on the pedal and smashed two fours and two sixes in his innings. It seemed like the game was running away from New Zealand, but then Henry returned to get Buttler caught behind for 43.

England kept up their attacking strategy, even as Joe Root and Liam Livingstone tried to go for their runs. However, incisive bowling from the Black Cap bowlers ensured that the batting side never ran away with the game. So Livingstone fell to Boult in the 39th over and Root was cleaned up by the golden arm of Glenn Phillips, when he misplayed a reverse sweep in the 42nd over.

Despite regular breakthroughs from New Zealand bowlers in the final powerplay, England managed to reach 282 at the back of an unbeaten 30-run 10th wicket partnership between Adil Rashid and Mark Wood.

When England walked out to bat Jonny Bairstow began their title defence in style, hitting a six off the very second ball of the game. He lifted a wayward Trent Boult delivery, that drifted down the legside, into the stands. He unleashed an attacking range of shots to keep England closer to run a ball. His partner Dawid Malan, however, found the going tough against the Kiwi pacers. Malan eventually nicked one behind off Henry in the eighth over.

Trying to keep up the scoring rate, the England batters kept going for their shots. This included an unconventional reverse scoop from Joe Root, which went behind the keeper's head for a six. However, New Zealand managed to get a hold of things in the second powerplay. Bairstow (33) fell to Santner in the 13th over. On the other hand, Harry Brook (25) went for one shot too many in Rachin Ravindra's first over, and gifted a catch in the deep midwicket region after having hit 4, 4, 6 off the last three deliveries.

England's scoring rate was further stifled after they lost Moeen Ali to the off-spin of Glenn Phillips.

In the afternoon, New Zealand's stand-in skipper Tom Latham called it right at the toss and decided to field in Ahmedabad.

The big news for the Black Caps was the absence of their two key players, regular captain Kane Williamson and pacer Tim Southee.

England had concerns of their own, as star all-rounder Ben Stokes, was out of the opening encounter as well. The all-rounder had reversed his decision to retire from the ODI game only recently.

The World Cup opener will be a rematch between the two finalists from the 2019 Cricket World Cup. England managed to edge out New Zealand by the barest of margins on that occasions to lift the trophy.

Playing XIs:

England:

Jonny Bairstow, Dawid Malan, Joe Root, Harry Brook, Jos Buttler (c) (wk), Moeen Ali, Liam Livingstone, Chris Woakes, Sam Curran, Adil Rashid, Mark Wood

New Zealand:

Devon Conway, Will Young, Rachin Ravindra, Daryl Mitchell, Tom Latham (c) (wk), Glenn Phillips, Mark Chapman, James Neesham, Mitchell Santner, Matt Henry, Trent Boult

Source: ICC
 
The pitch did slow down a bit, but I think England just didn’t bat properly. They lost key wickets every time they began to accelerate.

New Zealand should chase this
 
I like woakes, nice height and accurate but o don’t think he’s effective as a wicket taker in Asia. England may miss Archer this tournament.
 
This is not a winning score as England don't have quality bowlers who can defend this score. They always need 330 above to defend the score
Not sure. This track can ease out too.

Cricviz rating par to be around 268-270 for 1st innings given conditions .

So 282 is a good score. England's bowling may not be up to the mark/pitch may become easier but you can't fault the batting for that.
 
Might want to play gus atkinson more later in the tournament. More of a hit the deck bowler that can get greater value from indian surfaces
 
I like woakes, nice height and accurate but o don’t think he’s effective as a wicket taker in Asia. England may miss Archer this tournament.
He is not going to make much difference in Indian conditions. He needs some help from pitch and conditions
 
If even the stacked English line up can't do well on these pitches, then God save our team!

Another way of looking at it, teams with batting depth tend to leave the job to other. Good batting line up is the one who assess the condition play accordingly. You cannot tuk tuk on a patta same way you cannot go bang bang on a wicke that holds up.
 
Lucky wicket but Curran is a fox of a bowler I give him that
 
Curran is bowling the perfect length. With long square boundaries he is bowling into the pitch.
 
Curran runs in like he is going to bowl a 140 k delivery lol That is where batsmen get deceived.
 
Topley is better bowler than Woakes but England play Woakes just because he can score few runs
 
282 is a pretty good score here. Backing England to defend it. It's not gonna be easy at all for nz.
 
Now woakes is bowling into the pitch. They didn't waste time identifying the perfect length for the pitch
 
England's bowling is quite a bit underrated. Yes there is no Archer but the rest are good. Mark wood is the enforcer in the middle overs along with Rashid to tighten the screws. Sam Curran gives a good left arm seam option opening
 
NZ are massively overrated. Weakest of Top 6 sides. If they can't chase this, it'l be embarrassing.

Neither team has any excuse tbh. Chaseable target. Defendable conditions :inti
 
They are all class technicians

You will see this in the
But babar has class bro
Neesham what a lovely bowler to take off pressure on the batsmen

People don’t realize how big of a factor Archer was in that World Cup for England. They don’t have that cushion anymore, so they need to bulldoze teams with their batting firepower.

If they play like this, they won’t be able to make it past the first round.

If even the stacked English line up can't do well on these pitches, then God save our team!
Our team love these type of pitches
 
NZ are massively overrated. Weakest of Top 6 sides. If they can't chase this, it'l be embarrassing.

Neither team has any excuse tbh. Chaseable target. Defendable conditions :inti

Both have depth in batting. Both are smart in strategies.
 
That's how you treat a average trundler.
Simple.

Who is this Indian kid. Rachin. Sachin and ravindra jadeja combo name lol.

Looks great. India should take him back and pick him as opener over rohit or kohli
 
Accurate spin is key for this World Cup maybe , Shadab just please pack your bags and go home
 
That's how you treat a average trundler.
Simple.

Who is this Indian kid. Rachin. Sachin and ravindra jadeja combo name lol.

Looks great. India should take him back and pick him as opener over rohit or kohli

No. His father named him after Rahul Dravid + Sachin = Rachin.
 
That's how you treat a average trundler.
Simple.

Who is this Indian kid. Rachin. Sachin and ravindra jadeja combo name lol.

Looks great. India should take him back and pick him as opener over rohit or kohli
We have luxury of openers but we just need allrounders
 
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