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New Zealand (346/5) comprehensively defeat Pakistan (345/5) by 5 wickets in their first warm-up game in the ICC World Cup 2023

Are all grounds and wickets like this? Which are spin friendly and pace friendly?
Dharamshala is almost like english conditions as weather too there is similar to english weather. Chennai, Kolkata, Pune will surely assist some little spin. Mumbai, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad and Bangalore are belters. Not sure about Delhi and lucknow but guess will be high scoring venues too. In indian conditions its no use running in and just bowling fast and the ball will land in teh stands in double speed. Variations are a must. Same for spinners too.
 
Pakistam not being able to participate in ipl has made it difficult for us to get used to these conditions. Many of these sena players are used to indian conditions as they participate in ipl regularly.

Just like how indian players don't play outside ipl in franchis leagues, we too suffer from the same fate. We will get stronger as we get acclimated to indian conditions. Do not fret brothers. Also naseem who is our best bowler is injured. So we lack a bit of potency.
Injuries happen but how we deal with them, we need ppl to get used to conditions and Baber/Rizwan play bulk of the overs, Baber doesn't want competition so he is going to make sure it stays that way.
 
Injuries happen but how we deal with them, we need ppl to get used to conditions and Baber/Rizwan play bulk of the overs, Baber doesn't want competition so he is going to make sure it stays that way.
It's fine. Our strength is bowling. Our tail batting has improved. Pitches won't be this flat anyway.

We will get stronger.
 
Shaheen did nt bowl. Haris was not supposed to bowl with new over in powerplay. Shadab did nt bowl. Real test was for Hassan Ali and Nawaz. both of them failed. it is clear as day that Imad Wasim is better choice than Nawaz on these pitches. look at satner how he bowled and how our batters could nt time the ball against him. Pretty sure a decent Spin attack would nt have let NZ score even 300. in space of 20 days we have gone from favourites tag to an ordinary team. and only one match was needed to expose the number 1 team. Sep 10 and 11 will be remembered as day of Reckoning for Pakistan Fans
 
Pakistan's bowling is most overrated currently. Except Shaheen I don't see any bowler who can bowl good 10 overs with consistency. Harris is a 4 overs bowler and all spinners are toothless. If the bowlers doesn't improve their performance, Pakistan cannot defeat any big team. They may win 2-3 matches against weak teams only
 
It's fine. Our strength is bowling. Our tail batting has improved. Pitches won't be this flat anyway.

We will get stronger.
ICC is responsible for pitches and for these tournaments they do prepare flat tracks. But I do agree with you that this is just a warm-up game to do some final checks to your team combos before the actual tourno starts. Neither was this game played with the same intensity as a real match. But one thing is for sure Pakistan has a headache as to which combination of bowlers to go with.
 
If pak batters are scoring 400 then you can bet your bottom dollar the opposition batters will also have a field day
It has been like this for many many years. But the differnce in past was that Pakistan bowlers could defend even low scores, but now it looks like our bowlers can't take wickets or contain, so that advantage is missing.

But in the end this is a warm-up match and first match for pakistan players on indian soil. So I think when the real stuff starts we will see a better performance and a different team. Not too worried, we have been rubbish in many warm ups before.
 
Pakistan wasted the game again. Its not the loss , its the lack of use of practice match. Babar and Rizwan again played majority overs , whereas others should have been given the chance. Also , shadab did not bowl at all !

Babar is playing dirty politics to keep shadab place . Pathetic mentality.
 
Pakistan wasted the game again. Its not the loss , its the lack of use of practice match. Babar and Rizwan again played majority overs , whereas others should have been given the chance. Also , shadab did not bowl at all !

Babar is playing dirty politics to keep shadab place . Pathetic mentality.
Good point but in Pakistan no one can question those in power, no matter what department.
 
Good point but in Pakistan no one can question those in power, no matter what department.
He even brought in Osama Mir way too early , the best way was to bowl both shadab and Osama together and see who is better. If I was selector I would have called Mr Captain right now and asked for his explanation.
 
That is there limit , you do not have Rohit sharma or Chris gayle in the domestic circuit.
And it's a real pity pakistani players, especially the bowlers can't play in IPL. There they would have bowled against the top batsmen. That is an experience they have missed.
 
Yes and how appropriate our games against afgans and srilanka are there.
It will not be a rank turner. ICC prepares pretty flat track for these events which will assist a little bit of spin. Even if you saw the recent India-Australia series there were scores over 350 and spinners to were taken to the cleaners.
 
Yes and how appropriate our games against afgans and srilanka are there.
Your game against Sri Lanka is in Hyderabad. You play South Africa and Afghanistan in Chennai, England and Bangladesh in Kolkata.

Imagine us having to face New Zealand in Dharmasala, again we'll lose to them in an ICC game.
 
So you weren’t celebrating when Amir ripped through India’s top order back in 2017?
I was celebrating when fakhar smashed india and confirmed our win and than the generator winning the player of the tournament?

Btw where was amirs plyer of the tournament? Oh nvm, the only player of the series award he won was when he was caught spot fixing and bringing shane to the country
 
As it looks like right now the teams with better powerhitters (read proper modern day batsmen) and good spinners will dominate this tournament.
 
Guys

You all know I don't really rate this PAK team, however, in the actual world cup, PAK will almost always beat NZ.

NZ have a mental block against us for some reason, even though they're a better team.

They will most likely lose in the tournament if/when we face them.
 
I was celebrating when fakhar smashed india and confirmed our win and than the generator winning the player of the tournament?

Btw where was amirs plyer of the tournament? Oh nvm, the only player of the series award he won was when he was caught spot fixing and bringing shane to the country

You didn’t answer the question, were you celebrating when Amir took Rohit and Kohli’s wicket or not?
 
The biggest problem for Pakistan is unlike all other teams Pakistan has a top 4 of Abdullah, Imam, Babar, Rizwan who all are grafters and accumulators. Hence you will nevr see a 160 in 20 overs score which other teams like India, ENG, SA and AUS usually post. All these tams have atleast 2-3 aggressive batsmen in the top 4 who can easily score over run a ball. The top 4 is what prevents Pakistan from posting scores like 375 or 400 and have to make do with 330-350 range.
 
Your game against Sri Lanka is in Hyderabad. You play South Africa and Afghanistan in Chennai, England and Bangladesh in Kolkata.

Imagine us having to face New Zealand in Dharmasala, again we'll lose to them in an ICC game.
Oh yaar you have even more negative mindset than us lol. Don't worry, India will be fine. Kiwis will struggle against Jadeja, Kuldeep and Bumrah.
 
The biggest problem for Pakistan is unlike all other teams Pakistan has a top 4 of Abdullah, Imam, Babar, Rizwan who all are grafters and accumulators. Hence you will nevr see a 160 in 20 overs score which other teams like India, ENG, SA and AUS usually post. All these tams have atleast 2-3 aggressive batsmen in the top 4 who can easily score over run a ball. The top 4 is what prevents Pakistan from posting scores like 375 or 400 and have to make do with 330-350 range.
Yes none of those 4 can take the bowlers to cleaners. They will hit the bad balls to boundary of course, but you can't see them attacking even half-good balls. Then it's either block, swing and miss or edge it to keeper/slips.
 
The biggest problem for Pakistan is unlike all other teams Pakistan has a top 4 of Abdullah, Imam, Babar, Rizwan who all are grafters and accumulators. Hence you will nevr see a 160 in 20 overs score which other teams like India, ENG, SA and AUS usually post. All these tams have atleast 2-3 aggressive batsmen in the top 4 who can easily score over run a ball. The top 4 is what prevents Pakistan from posting scores like 375 or 400 and have to make do with 330-350 range.

Top 4 needs to play more aggressively. We have seen Abdullah do it in the PSL and in the Sri Lankan test series. Even Babar and Rizwan can bat aggressively when their lives depend on it. Imam too needs a shift in mindset, he cannot bat test match technique style all the time, he has to shuffle around and come down the track to the pacers and exploit the power play.
 
Reading too much into a practice game, teams just experiment stuff and play safe to avoid last minute injuries. Also since it is 15 vs 15, batting is deep pushing the scores higher, Iftikhar was your number 8 today, for them Young didn't even get a bat. Also no crowd, no pressure, batsmen just tee away, bowlers bowl within themselves, fielders don't exert too much. Boult, Milne, Shaheen didn't even bowl, shows you how serious they were.

I remember our practice games in previous ICC tournaments and Dinesh Karthik would almost always score a 100 lol, tells you all you need to know about these games.
 
Rachin Ravindra impressed me in their test tour to India, he's just 22-23 and will play many games this world cup. Then there is Chapman, somehow Kiwis keep unearthing world class talents despite so few domestic cricketers.
 
2 doubts.

1. Why didn't Shadab bowl today? Since he is so out of form, shouldn't he get more practice? Pakistan's spin bowling department is already an area of concern, and Shadab is a guaranteed starter, so I thought they would focus on that. Main purpose of these warm ups.

2. Who will be your second keeper? In such a long tournament if Rizwan has some niggle/fever on the morning of a match or concussion, who will replace him? All teams have come with at least 2 keepers.
India- Rahul, Kishan
England- Buttler, Bairstow
Australia- Carey, Inglis
Bangladesh- Mushfiqur, Litton
New Zealand- Latham, Conway
South Africa- Kock, Klaasen
Sri Lanka have 3 keepers in their squad, Mendis, Perera and Sadeera

Isn't Pakistan taking a huge risk by not having a backup for Rizwan?
 
Don’t get me wrong our team is by no means the favourites, but I will not look too much into these warm ups. It’s a warm up, bowlers are not going to be looking to get injured and batsman want to get used to the conditions. Although Hassan Ali’s bowling concerns could be a reflection but we can’t say until he plays a proper match. I’m hoping though that this is not going to be a World Cup where all the pitches are flat and we will not see any bowling heros in the tournament. Hate flat roads
 
Whatever I have seen of him, Mohammad Wasim Jr. has never looked international class, also signs of a choker. Can't believe so many Pak fans wanted him ahead of Faheem Ashraf against us in the Asia Cup. If not for Faheem, India would have fancied 400 in that game.
 
ICC is responsible for pitches and for these tournaments they do prepare flat tracks. But I do agree with you that this is just a warm-up game to do some final checks to your team combos before the actual tourno starts. Neither was this game played with the same intensity as a real match. But one thing is for sure Pakistan has a headache as to which combination of bowlers to go with.
They can’t go with the top 4 approach either

90-2 in 20 overs
 
Latham had a pretty good tour of Pakistan some months back, but im still not sure if he makes the full strength xi let alone captaining it. Chapman is currently not in the full strength playing xi.

Maybe Conway should be given the gloves and Latham should make way for Chapman
 
The result doesn't matter but they should have used their players wisely. There are still quite a few question marks surrounding the openers' form and the bowlers.

The one positive is the 3-4-5 order of Babar, Rizwan, and Saud is how it should be going into the tournament. All of them looked in decent touch.
 
The WC is not even 24 hrs old and the wrist slitters are already out.

This is the first time this set of Pakistan players are playing in India, compared with NZ squad who have experience playing in India, even this year!

346 is a decent score considering. Bowling wise not to fussed either, they are just warming up, and are far from full throttle. If a bowler was injured then there'd be complaints of "why didn't so and so take it easy cos it is a warm up"

I am 100% convinced that Pakistan have started with the mind games, and no better way than to sand bag the talent on the 1st day.

🤍💚🇵🇰🤍💚
 
The WC is not even 24 hrs old and the wrist slitters are already out.

This is the first time this set of Pakistan players are playing in India, compared with NZ squad who have experience playing in India, even this year!

346 is a decent score considering. Bowling wise not to fussed either, they are just warming up, and are far from full throttle. If a bowler was injured then there'd be complaints of "why didn't so and so take it easy cos it is a warm up"

I am 100% convinced that Pakistan have started with the mind games, and no better way than to sand bag the talent on the 1st day.

🤍💚🇵🇰🤍💚
It’s embarrassing when you loose to a team that is bowling half its overs with all rounders, batters, and a wicket-keeper. Embarrassing display, there’s no other way to put it.
 
In 1992 Pakistan lost all of its warm up games, some to a University team and we had a poor start to that WC. Then the team picked up momentum at the right time.
 
It’s embarrassing when you loose to a team that is bowling half its overs with all rounders, batters, and a wicket-keeper. Embarrassing display, there’s no other way to put it.
That's your view, again, this Pakistan squad had ZERO experience in India until today. What were you expecting? Double centuries and 5 wicket hauls against a NZ team that has been playing in India almost every year? Get real.

If the performance was embarrassing, that too in a warm up, where the stats are not even recorded, then simply do not watch Pakistan matches in this WC.

Unbelievable that some of you have already written off Pakistan.
 
That's your view, again, this Pakistan squad had ZERO experience in India until today. What were you expecting? Double centuries and 5 wicket hauls against a NZ team that has been playing in India almost every year? Get real.

If the performance was embarrassing, that too in a warm up, where the stats are not even recorded, then simply do not watch Pakistan matches in this WC.

Unbelievable that some of you have already written off Pakistan.
If that’s your “argument”, then why didn’t they select players that played in India?

Haha!! :lol
 
In 1992 Pakistan lost all of its warm up games, some to a University team and we had a poor start to that WC. Then the team picked up momentum at the right time.
One poster has even written a hymn sheet on why Pakistan will not win the WC and is only here to criticise Pakistan's performance so he can say - I told you so - and self proclaim he is a genius.
 
Yes it is just a warm up. But when you juxtapose with Asia cup show there are some limitations with this team. I understand imam is highly rated here. But I never understand why. If he were an Indian player I would keep him very far away from the odi set up. He has very few high strike rate innings. He has a grand total of 6 innings with strike rate over 100, with 115 being thr maximum. That is very poor.
 
In a serious game, Shaheen would not sit out, Haris Rauf would not only bowl 5 overs, and Salman Agha would not bowl that much.

The guys whose favourites were not selected are the one celebrating and going gaga over this defeat.

Its not a defeat, as it was just a warm up game. It did not matter.

The only issue i had with this game was Rizwan batting till 100. Once he got his 50, there was no need to bat on, and should had maybe thrown Fakhar in aswell.

NZ used there batters well. WHile i believe Pakistan used its bowlers well. Shaheen and Shadab were not bowled, as more overs were given to the other guys. Now in next game, Shaheen might get 5, shadab will get a full qouta and Iftikhar can get 5-7 overs. Bowling wise good planning
 
Loads of posters used to make fun of Indian bowling when we couldn't defend under lights when batters got going. Many Indian venues can be tough places to defend. The game changes very rapidly here and can leave a new team shellshocked. Other players know better because of India tours/IPL .
Spot on! The faster one bowls, the faster one gets spanked.
 
New Zealand chased down 346 against Pakistan in Hyderabad while Bangladesh were clinical with the bat in their successful run-chase against Sri Lanka in Guwahati on the opening day of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2023 warm-up fixtures.

In what was Pakistan's first match on Indian soil after seven years, Babar Azam won the toss and elected to bat against New Zealand. Pakistan suffered an early setback as Imam-ul-Haq departed for just one run in the third over.

However, Babar Azam and Abdullah Shafique steadied the ship with a promising partnership. Unfortunately for Pakistan, Shafique's stint ended when Mitchell Santner outfoxed him, leaving Pakistan at 46-2.

Undeterred by the loss of the wicket, Mohammad Rizwan joined his skipper in the middle, and together they stitched a vital 114-run partnership for the fourth wicket.

Although Babar fell short of his century, Rizwan reached his milestone and retired out. Saud Shakeel, Agha Salman, and Iftikhar Ahmed contributed crucial runs towards the end, setting a challenging target of 346 for the Blackcaps.

New Zealand's chase began on the wrong foot as Devon Conway departed for a duck in just the second over, caught off Hasan Ali's first ball. This early setback placed the onus on the Kiwi batters to mount a formidable comeback.

Kane Williamson, who had missed the first innings, made an impactful return with the bat, notching up 54 runs off 50 balls and dispelling any concerns of rustiness. He partnered with Rachin Ravindra, who opened the batting, and the duo put on a vital century partnership.

Ravindra played a substantial innings, falling just short of his century at 97. His dismissal came off Salman Ali Agha as Pakistan aimed to stage a comeback.

Daryl Mitchell then contributed with a valuable half-century before also retiring, leaving New Zealand with over 80 runs still needed. Jimmy Neesham and Mark Chapman rose to the occasion, combining to navigate New Zealand close to a win.

They eventually registered a win by five wickets in the 44th over with Mark Chapman hitting the winning six.
 
The momentum argument doesn't work because this team lacks the quality of previous teams. I think at best 4 wins if we play well here. Our batting is 2 generations behind. Bowling is a joke aswell which is sad as used to be our one reliable strength.
 
In a serious game, Shaheen would not sit out, Haris Rauf would not only bowl 5 overs, and Salman Agha would not bowl that much.

The guys whose favourites were not selected are the one celebrating and going gaga over this defeat.

Its not a defeat, as it was just a warm up game. It did not matter.

The only issue i had with this game was Rizwan batting till 100. Once he got his 50, there was no need to bat on, and should had maybe thrown Fakhar in aswell.

NZ used there batters well. WHile i believe Pakistan used its bowlers well. Shaheen and Shadab were not bowled, as more overs were given to the other guys. Now in next game, Shaheen might get 5, shadab will get a full qouta and Iftikhar can get 5-7 overs. Bowling wise good planning
Exactly, Pakistan's approach in this warm up was spot on.

Nobody cares about the result, it's not even an official match.
 
Did you actually see the match and the NZ team sheet?

Go bleed blue else where.
That’s not a response. You seem to think emotionally and are not capable to handle logic.

The team has genuine deficiencies and they will be exposed. You’ll just keep mocking me & all actual thinkers when you’re proven wrong & wrong again.
 
That’s not a response. You seem to think emotionally and are not capable to handle logic.

The team has genuine deficiencies and they will be exposed. You’ll just keep mocking me & all actual thinkers when you’re proven wrong & wrong again.
It is a perfect response.

You surely didn't ask why Pakistan didn't pick players that have played in India, yet fail to realise the NZ squad had a number of players that have been playing in India year after year.

If this is an example of the 'actual thinking' you refer to, then I can only laugh at your response.

Every team has deficiencies, spare me the revelations, and don't run away when your 'actual thinking' is exposed.
 
It is a perfect response.

You surely didn't ask why Pakistan didn't pick players that have played in India, yet fail to realise the NZ squad had a number of players that have been playing in India year after year.

If this is an example of the 'actual thinking' you refer to, then I can only laugh at your response.

Every team has deficiencies, spare me the revelations, and don't run away when your 'actual thinking' is exposed.
Comment doesn’t make sense. I’ll leave it at that. No response can be made to non-sensible comments.
 
Comment doesn’t make sense. I’ll leave it at that. No response can be made to non-sensible comments.
Don't back peddle now. Your comment: why didn’t they select players that played in India?

If you were refering to Pakistan, then your thinking is an embarrassment and not Pakistan's performance, but if you are refering to NZ, then your actual thinking is comedy gold cos you didn't pay attention to the NZ squad in this warm up game.

Your actual thinking busted in 5 mins.
 
Kane Williamson scored an unbeaten 54 in his first innings since March as New Zealand successfully chased down 345 to beat Pakistan in their first ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 warm-up match.

The Black Caps captain is still recovering from a knee injury and has been ruled out of the opening game of the tournament against England next Thursday.

However, he gained crucial time in the middle against Pakistan and looked in fine touch in Hyderabad, where Rachin Ravindra, Daryl Mitchell and Mark Chapman also passed 50 in the run chase.

Batting second was the key to success on the first day of warm-up action, as Bangladesh chased 263 to beat Sri Lanka by seven wickets, while the day’s other scheduled match between Afghanistan and South Africa was abandoned without a ball being bowled.

Black Caps batters in fine touch

With five wins from their eight ODI matches against New Zealand this year, Pakistan were understandably confident in Hyderabad and made a fabulous start with the bat.

Despite losing Imam-ul-Haq for just one after the opener misjudged the seam movement from a Matt Henry delivery, Pakistan made quick progress thanks to a 114-run third-wicket partnership between captain Babar Azam and wicket-keeper Mohammad Rizwan.

Babar was the more controlled of the pair but still went along at just under a run-a-ball, his 10 boundaries – including two sixes – helping him to 80 off 84 before he holed out off Mitchell Santner.

Rizwan, who looked in fine touch during the Asia Cup where he three half-centuries, continued that form with an excellent 103 from 94 deliveries.

They were well supported by Saud Shakeel’s 53-ball 75 that featured four sixes, and Agha Salman’s unbeaten 33, as Pakistan finished on 345 for five.

New Zealand made a slow start, with opening batter Devon Conway chipping his first ball to square leg, but they made an impressive recovery as Ravindra and Williamson put on 179 for the second wicket.

Williamson, who did not field as he continues to work his way back to fitness, retired on 54, while the next man in, Mitchell, followed suit and retired after a half-century – his 57-ball 59 featuring five boundaries.

Ravindra was the glue of the star of the innings, as his brisk 97 – coming off just 72 deliveries – featured 16 fours, while Mark Chapman’s unbeaten 65 saw them over the line.
 
Don't back peddle now. Your comment: why didn’t they select players that played in India?

If you were refering to Pakistan, then your thinking is an embarrassment and not Pakistan's performance, but if you are refering to NZ, then your actual thinking is comedy gold cos you didn't pay attention to the NZ squad in this warm up game.

Your actual thinking busted in 5 mins.
Come on. You just have comprehension issues. You’re not busting anything outside of clowning on here. Kinda funny that you people just support status quo no matter the situation.
 
Come on. You just have comprehension issues. You’re not busting anything outside of clowning on here. Kinda funny that you people just support status quo no matter the situation.
Running away from your 'actual' comment.

😂 "Why didn't they select players that played in India." 😂

Brilliant start to the WC from the self proclaimed actual thinkers. We will for sure need more comedy gold in the coming weeks.

😂😂😂
 
Good luck chasing 500
No team is ever scoring 400, let alone 500, against Pakistan ever again.

In fact, I don't see any team scoring 350 against a full strength Pakistan team during this world cup. I'm willing to put my signature on the line for that.
 
No team is ever scoring 400, let alone 500, against Pakistan ever again.

In fact, I don't see any team scoring 350 against a full strength Pakistan team during this world cup. I'm willing to put my signature on the line for that.
Go for it

I would advise humility though
 
Running away from your 'actual' comment.

😂 "Why didn't they select players that played in India." 😂

Brilliant start to the WC from the self proclaimed actual thinkers. We will for sure need more comedy gold in the coming weeks.

😂😂😂
That was a proposition for your statement when you cried the whole team never played in India, you have serious comprehension deficiencies.
 
No team is ever scoring 400, let alone 500, against Pakistan ever again.

In fact, I don't see any team scoring 350 against a full strength Pakistan team during this world cup. I'm willing to put my signature on the line for that.
That's the spirit!

These haters don't even have the courage to put their money where their mouth is! I mean if they think Pakistan will flop big time then they could make a fortune!
 
Bowling has been awful for a while so this isn’t surprising.

Pakistan lack the batting and bowling has just gone downhill, no one with an X factor, Amir on the side would have been good.

Hassan is awful, should have been tossed away a while ago tbh
 
Surprised to see some grief over a practice match! It is a bit entertaining too. :)
I am sure the Pakistani team management knows what they are doing. Believe and keep supporting your team.
 
My IQ is certainly very high. I have receipts. Don’t care about some random’s validation. Especially of someone who’s a broken compass on all logical matters.

I must book front like tickets for this comedy show.

The self bravado and praise. Oh my days.

If you have receipts, please go ask for a refund.

LOL!
 
Babar's first ever score on Indian soil : 80
Rizwan's first ever score on Indian soil : 103

Great sign of things to come!

Their legacy in India starts today.
 
Nawaz is not a bankable bowler. And usama mir looked very average. Hasan ali as expected. Middle overs spin bowling will be a big challenge for Pakistan. I don't know but it's going to be hard for Pak to win 6 games at the WC with this approach. But WCs are pressure events - so you never know
 
Surprised to see some grief over a practice match! It is a bit entertaining too. :)
I am sure the Pakistani team management knows what they are doing. Believe and keep supporting your team.
These issues have been plaguing us since a long time, and unfortunately Shadab and Nawaz are not good enough to lead the spin bowling attack.
 
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