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New Zealand [93/2] defeat India [92] by 8 wickets to win 4th ODI; India lead 5-match series 3-1

This era is not a great era for cricket, when even top 2,3 sides have a lot of weaknesses. Obviously less than the ones below but still quality wise this era hasnt bee great.
 
Lowest totals for India (ODIs):
54 vs SL, Sharjah, 2000
63 vs Aus, Sydney, 1981
78 vs SL, Kanpur, 1986
 
Lucky they got to bowl first. If India had bowled first imagine New zealand batting here lol 50 all out?
 
Aman said:
These conditions aren't easy, wouldn't be surprised if we fail to chase this :))
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Even you can't screw this up we have even dropped shami and given you a dummy to face first up in khaleel, atleast do the decent thing and smash him.
 
This is one of those typical New zelanad pitch where first innigns will be very hard. second innings will be easy.
 
JaDed said:
Lowest totals for India (ODIs):
54 vs SL, Sharjah, 2000
63 vs Aus, Sydney, 1981
78 vs SL, Kanpur, 1986
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Genuine question how bad were we in 1980's world cup win aside, none of those grounds even aid swing.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is one of those typical New zelanad pitch where first innigns will be very hard. second innings will be easy.
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Yes but 1st innings still has around 27 overs remaining. Indian bowlers should target to get 4-5 wickets to carry on the momentum for the next match.
 
Games like these will knock the team off it's complacency. Every wicket was gone because of great bowling except for maybe Pandya. SOmetimes you have to tip your hat for the bowler. Boult was swinging even in 20th over. Henry couldnt swing even in the first over. Looks a good deck to bat too. Phenomenal bowling and fitness
 
MMHS said:
Not sure you are joking or not, but I don't think 55/8 is normal for any team in these era of ODI game. This is definitely one such day and a dead rubber as well, they are missing VK & MS also.
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I was joking about SL and Pak retaining the lowest odi total record of 43 which India had just gone past.
 
Titan24 said:
Yes but 1st innings still has around 27 overs remaining. Indian bowlers should target to get 4-5 wickets to carry on the momentum for the next match.
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What momentum? Series is already dusted. It will be interesting to see if they give Rayudu another chance.
 
Thanks to Kohli, India wins far more number of matches than they should. This performance may be extreme but without Kohli, India will not win more than 40% of matches.
 
One thing that can save Rayudu is that the entire team collapsed
 
rhony said:
What momentum? Series is already dusted. It will be interesting to see if they give Rayudu another chance.
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Momentum in terms of match to match basis. Yes series is already won by India but it doesnt mean they dont want to perform well in rest of the games.
 
This is the best batting practice Indian tail canever get haha Almost hit a six haha.. Please check his bones.. see if it is fractured
 
Tyler Durden said:
Not seriously? They should be ashamed of this rubbish idiotic performance. Terrible technique and all over the place. One of the ugliest performances by India in the last decade.
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Boult had a terrific day and we had an off one. It happens...no need to worry.
 
jagatk said:
Genuine question how bad were we in 1980's world cup win aside, none of those grounds even aid swing.
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The 54 one i saw it live on TV, we imploded one of the worst performances as an Indian fan we had em at 4-116 but then Arnold happened and Jayasuriya's highest score, still remember how Dada came to bowling and took his wicket genuinely thought that would be first double and then Vaas happened, Mind you Lanka in those times were good team and on their days a great one.

others can't tell.
 
I think, in 1970s, in a Shield game (60 overs), Western Australia made 79, against Queensland, and that Queensland side had Barry Richards & Viv playing - they were all-out for 72, with DK Lillee taking like 7-26, bowling unchanged; but can't recall much. In ODI, lowest score defended is probably PAK against IND in 1989, then AUS against WIN in 1990s under Taylor, but both games were rain curtailed. For a complete game, lowest total to be defended is probably 123 by IND against PAK in UAE.
 
Titan24 said:
Momentum in terms of match to match basis. Yes series is already won by India but it doesnt mean they dont want to perform well in rest of the games.
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This Indian team will dust this off in an hour. They are a professional unit who got caught with their pants down by a terrific spell
 
MMHS said:
I think, in 1970s, in a Shield game (60 overs), Western Australia made 79, against Queensland, and that Queensland side had Barry Richards & Viv playing - they were all-out for 72, with DK Lillee taking like 7-26, bowling unchanged; but can't recall much. In ODI, lowest score defended is probably PAK against IND in 1989, then AUS against WIN in 1990s under Taylor, but both games were rain curtailed. For a complete game, lowest total to be defended is probably 123 by IND against PAK in UAE.
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I think 129 by India and Pak was all out for 89
 
why don't we play both Pant and Dhoni. This also lets have the left and right combination towards the 2nd half
 
Nowhere you will get condition like this except in NZ in first morning on certain pitches in certain conditions.
 
Titan24 said:
Even Starc and Amir become GOAT when it swings but Boult is pretty decent on the surfaces which doesnt offer much.
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Because Boult has control. Even when he is not getting help, he keeps it tight and does not become a spraygun like Starc or to an extent, Amir. He is also one of the best fielders currently.
 
K4Kohli said:
why don't we play both Pant and Dhoni. This also lets have the left and right combination towards the 2nd half
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There is no way Pant could survive this spell. Dhoni maybe. Thats what he is in the team for. People blame his for his slow 50 in AUS 1st game. He came at 4/3 and just got out for a wrong decision before he could accelerate. He showed in the 2nd and 3rd matches how its done
 
MMHS said:
I think, in 1970s, in a Shield game (60 overs), Western Australia made 79, against Queensland, and that Queensland side had Barry Richards & Viv playing - they were all-out for 72, with DK Lillee taking like 7-26, bowling unchanged; but can't recall much. In ODI, lowest score defended is probably PAK against IND in 1989, then AUS against WIN in 1990s under Taylor, but both games were rain curtailed. For a complete game, lowest total to be defended is probably 123 by IND against PAK in UAE.
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India seemed like a GUN ODI unit from 1983-1985 ,defending low totals winning WC and other trophies.Wonder what went wrong after then.
India -Pak match was in 1984-85
 
happydavy said:
Thanks to Kohli, India wins far more number of matches than they should. This performance may be extreme but without Kohli, India will not win more than 40% of matches.
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Exactly. Indian fans should stay grounded knowing what it is like without kohli!
 
rhony said:
This Indian team will dust this off in an hour. They are a professional unit who got caught with their pants down by a terrific spell
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Agreed they are a good team but there over dependence on top 3 and a weak middle over needs to be sorted otherwise loosing top 3 early in the cruicial match of the WC could be curtains.
 
JaDed said:
India seemed like a GUN ODI unit from 1983-1985 ,defending low totals winning WC and other trophies.Wonder what went wrong after then.
India -Pak match was in 1984-85
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India were one of the favs to lift 1987 Wc as well..
 
Couplr of years back, Lankans got IND at 30-7 or something like that at Mohali ......where is the 3rd slip!!!!!!!
 
No doubt, India batting is disastrous today. But the pitch is really weird. It is slow but swinging
 
leatherface58 said:
Because Boult has control. Even when he is not getting help, he keeps it tight and does not become a spraygun like Starc or to an extent, Amir. He is also one of the best fielders currently.
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Amir can't be in this conversation anymore. He lost his swing 2 years ago. Starc is a bit of a spray gun but is more lethal than Boult because of his pace. Boult is very disciplined
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Still grandhomme should not have this many wickets in this match. He is pedestrian. They just gifted wicket to him.
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Karthik and Rayudu. One of them is going to lose his spot and I bet its Rayudu. DK is good as a finisher and Dhoni will bat at 4
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Without Kohli we beat you twice at your home to win the Asia cup...remember?
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Indian batsmen are really good in Sub continent, WC is in England and that is where Kohli and openers will be heavily relied upon.
 
Titan24 said:
Agreed they are a good team but there over dependence on top 3 and a weak middle over needs to be sorted otherwise loosing top 3 early in the cruicial match of the WC could be curtains.
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Rayudu. Thats the guy that should go. Dhoni should bat at 4 and the rest of the lineup is fine
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Still grandhomme should not have this many wickets in this match. He is pedestrian. They just gifted wicket to him.
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When one bowler is bowling exceptionally, the batters take risks scoring off the other bowler and lose their wickets ... in this case G'home was the "other bowler"
 
Boult and Rabada are only two bowlers to be ranked in Top 10 of both ODI and tests, and that shows as well..
 
I think, during the world cup, the pitches wont swing much, so India batters might be safe
 
Oligochaetes said:
When one bowler is bowling exceptionally, the batters take risks scoring off the other bowler and lose their wickets ... in this case G'home was the "other bowler"
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Yes but you gotto respect the score. Rayudu's shot was irresponsible and Karthik's was just atrocious. He was trying to glide th swinging ball to third man with 2 slips:))
 
Oligochaetes said:
I think, during the world cup, the pitches wont swing much, so India batters might be safe
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Besides pretty much every single team struggles against swing. We saw England against West Indies in test. There was only a marginal movement. 44 all out.
 
JaDed said:
India seemed like a GUN ODI unit from 1983-1985 ,defending low totals winning WC and other trophies.Wonder what went wrong after then.
India -Pak match was in 1984-85
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The game changed. Till mid to late 1980s, ODIs were played on Test match wickets, with red ball and seemers like Madan, Binny, Shandhu, Chetan, even Amarnath could support Kapil equally, while classical batting was good to play out 50-60 overs for a total. By 90s, the wicket started to flatten out and these medium pacers became a liability.
 
Chahal just saying, yes u are the best but I live for another ball:))
 
rhony said:
Yes but you gotto respect the score. Rayudu's shot was irresponsible and Karthik's was just atrocious. He was trying to glide th swinging ball to third man with 2 slips:))
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Also add pandya's to it, those 3 should have atleast scored 60-70 between them.
 
Chahal is a rubbish batsman . When he bats like this you should imagine how reckless Indian middle order was against Grandhomme
 
rhony said:
Rayudu. Thats the guy that should go. Dhoni should bat at 4 and the rest of the lineup is fine
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Raydu is pretty mediocre and definitely should go but I think even current Dhoni will struggle more often than not when he has to come in inside 10 overs while Karthik, Jadhav and Pandya are also not dependable especially in key moments.
 
If only Pandya had survived that over.. we would have seen christmas presents from Aslte for Pandya
 
Canford Cliffs said:
WC is an ICC event and most pitches will be flat. Don't worry.
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Its not just the wickets, even CT 17 was an ICC event. Its also the weather and dukes ball which makes a difference.

We will see some big scores but we are gonna see some lively days with ball as well.
 
MMHS said:
The game changed. Till mid to late 1980s, ODIs were played on Test match wickets, with red ball and seemers like Madan, Binny, Shandhu, Chetan, even Amarnath could support Kapil equally, while classical batting was good to play out 50-60 overs for a total. By 90s, the wicket started to flatten out and these medium pacers became a liability.
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So what helps India now actually brought our downfall then lol, not asking you to compare as such, but I started watching only in 90s, and every ODI was special how was it during 80s the ODI? I guess Sharjah brought in more people and fixing as well.
 
The way ball is swinging and spinning now...I wont be surprised if NZ actually lose this match. [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] :))
 
1 more run and i can go sleep, and this score won't be our top 3 lowest ones..
 
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