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New Zealand defeat Bangladesh by 77 runs in the 1st ODI

Aman said:
Struggling is an understatement... these boys don't even look club standard..

Pathetic effort with the bat, I can't think of a touring side who has looked more out their depth.

Even if we don't bowl you out, I think we will manage to win this by 100+ runs easy.
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Our batting has always been like this. Especially with Imrul Kayes batting in the top.

We don't know how to go about batting when the pressure is on. Strike rotation is not normal. Both Tamim and Imrul is on the lookout for boundary ball. Soumya isn't any different.
 
Disheartening performance by the boys.

However as a fan we shouldn't be upset by the result of a team. This is a part and parcel of a sport. I know kiwi fans had hard time coping up with their struggles with an even weaker Bangladesh side in 2010 and 2013.

Enjoy the game. Cricket is entertainment :)
 
Executioner said:
Our batting has always been like this. Especially with Imrul Kayes batting in the top.

We don't know how to go about batting when the pressure is on. Strike rotation is not normal. Both Tamim and Imrul is on the lookout for boundary ball. Soumya isn't any different.
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No, this is expected. It's not easy to bat in a different condition where ball bounces at least a foot higher from same spot. Besides, they are facing faster bowlers on such surface after long time.

It's easy to talk smart, but after 7 weeks in India, what Kiwi batsmen did in 5th ODI, compared to this, that was street level with broom handle as bat & brick slab as wicket.
 
MMHS said:
No, this is expected. It's not easy to bat in a different condition where ball bounces at least a foot higher from same spot. Besides, they are facing faster bowlers on such surface after long time.

It's easy to talk smart, but after 7 weeks in India, what Kiwi batsmen did in 5th ODI, compared to this, that was street level with broom handle as bat & brick slab as wicket.
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Not denying it's expected.

We haven't played in these conditions for a long time.

This is our first bilateral series abroad in any of these 4 countries: Aus, SA, NZ or England in 6.5 years.
That's a long time. We did visit NZ for the worldcup but that's about it.

We cannot control our tour programme. But we should have focus on improving areas like strike rotation and finding a designated finisher
 
MMHS said:
No, this is expected. It's not easy to bat in a different condition where ball bounces at least a foot higher from same spot. Besides, they are facing faster bowlers on such surface after long time.

It's easy to talk smart, but after 7 weeks in India, what Kiwi batsmen did in 5th ODI, compared to this, that was street level with broom handle as bat & brick slab as wicket.
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NZ gave up that match after a long tour, didn't help that wicket was a rank turner which started to turn square 10 overs in. The other matches, at least they competed in and had their moments.
 
Executioner said:
Not denying it's expected.

We haven't played in these conditions for a long time.

This is our first bilateral series abroad in any of these 4 countries: Aus, SA, NZ or England in 6.5 years.
That's a long time. We did visit NZ for the worldcup but that's about it.

We cannot control our tour programme. But we should have focus on improving areas like strike rotation and finding a designated finisher
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They'll improve - in fact in this match as well, scores should be respectable - we bat deep. Today, more than batting, bowlers bowled in wrong length - that's also not new for Asian bowlers early in tour, when they get lot more bounce than usual. Similar mistakes we have seen non Asian fast bowlers, bowling too full in Asia to get swing - Dennis Lille has 3 wickets in 3 Tests at 100+ in PAK; but I am sure, had he toured once more, he would have been different bowler. And, non Asian spinners often too slow in Asia, just looking at the turn, they think they can spin through the batsmen & gets driven by batsmen with better footwork against spin.

I think, in last 2 ODI, boys will play much better. Also, as I wrote that the schedule is not good for our strong suit - ODI, but it should help the Test preparation, which is not bad trade off.
 
Shakib's batting and bowling has been a breathe of fresh air.

We are lucky to have the best all-rounder if the modern era but it's his misfortune the others aren't as good.

What is disappointing is the performance of the other senior players.
 
MMHS said:
They'll improve - in fact in this match as well, scores should be respectable - we bat deep. Today, more than batting, bowlers bowled in wrong length - that's also not new for Asian bowlers early in tour, when they get lot more bounce than usual. Similar mistakes we have seen non Asian fast bowlers, bowling too full in Asia to get swing - Dennis Lille has 3 wickets in 3 Tests at 100+ in PAK; but I am sure, had he toured once more, he would have been different bowler. And, non Asian spinners often too slow in Asia, just looking at the turn, they think they can spin through the batsmen & gets driven by batsmen with better footwork against spin.

I think, in last 2 ODI, boys will play much better. Also, as I wrote that the schedule is not good for our strong suit - ODI, but it should help the Test preparation, which is not bad trade off.
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I watched the bowling today and I was shocked to see the tactics employed by Haturi.

Haturi is one of the best tactician but to use a barrage of short deliveries against kiwi batsman was nonsense. Only Rubel could bowl short with venom.
 
Aman said:
NZ gave up that match after a long tour, didn't help that wicket was a rank turner which started to turn square 10 overs in. The other matches, at least they competed in and had their moments.
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What you are saying is not wrong, at least partially; but you should also recall that NZ has 0-7 run in Bangladesh in ODI. This game is beyond that mockery of ranking table which doesn't identify home & away factors. Only team in history that could over come that was that great WI side, partially the Aussies as well; but every team has struggled in away tours. These days, it's even more because teams play 1st International after 10-11 days max into tour.
 
Executioner said:
I watched the bowling today and I was shocked to see the tactics employed by Haturi.

Haturi is one of the best tactician but to use a barrage of short deliveries against kiwi batsman was nonsense. Only Rubel could bowl short with venom.
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Even I know that, so not only Hathura, every BD bowlers know that they are bowling at wrong length, but knowing & putting in practice are different task - check what Pom spinners bowled at Chennai after 3 months in Asia & playing 10 Internationals. Even Anderson, after 15 years & 4 tours in India.....
 
MMHS said:
Even I know that, so not only Hathura, every BD bowlers know that they are bowling at wrong length, but knowing & putting in practice are different task - check what Pom spinners bowled at Chennai after 3 months in Asia & playing 10 Internationals. Even Anderson, after 15 years & 4 tours in India.....
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I guess players have to open their mouth and only then we can understand whether it was deliberate or not.

I am sure it was deliberate and obviously our boys looked liked they don't know how to use the short stuff
 
Executioner said:
I guess players have to open their mouth and only then we can understand whether it was deliberate or not.

I am sure it was deliberate and obviously our boys looked liked they don't know how to use the short stuff
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Also, bowling combination was wrong - fast & bounce went in to head, hence they played Soumya as 4th seemer; which was over kill. Today, almost 75% scores are done by 2 leftis- hope they play Miraj in next match. This was something missed against 6 Pom lefti, which probably had cost that series. 3 seemers + Sakib, Miraj & if required a bit of leggi from Sabbir; that's should be the combo.
 
Didnt Bangladesh have a relatively good lead up to this match in terms of practise matches and how long theyve been in NZ

Cuz i remember them going down under some weeks ago

Disappointing but lets hope they are competitive. If they get whiteashed that would erase all the progress they have made and good will and good reputation they have built in recent years
 
MMHS said:
Also, bowling combination was wrong - fast & bounce went in to head, hence they played Soumya as 4th seemer; which was over kill. Today, almost 75% scores are done by 2 leftis- hope they play Miraj in next match. This was something missed against 6 Pom lefti, which probably had cost that series. 3 seemers + Sakib, Miraj & if required a bit of leggi from Sabbir; that's should be the combo.
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I think Bangla's batting needs to be improved significantly also. All the batsmen looked rather uncomfortable while playing deliveries which were well above waist height.
 
Orange Tree said:
I think Bangla's batting needs to be improved significantly also. All the batsmen looked rather uncomfortable while playing deliveries which were well above waist height.
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They will improve, it's just 2nd week in new condition. Batting still is not the biggest issue - facing 340+, either you blast past of get hammered; these days, not many ODI ends with 330 vs 320 score; or 230/9 & 231/8. Bowlers have to keep scores to a realistic proposition, against Kiwi bowling & fielding.
 
Slog said:
Didnt Bangladesh have a relatively good lead up to this match in terms of practise matches and how long theyve been in NZ

Cuz i remember them going down under some weeks ago

Disappointing but lets hope they are competitive. If they get whiteashed that would erase all the progress they have made and good will and good reputation they have built in recent years
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We played 2 T20s lol. T20s don't help you.

England were in Bangladesh for a whole month, played lots of cricket and the moment they landed on India they didn't seem in the slightest of comfort.

And bear in mind it shouldn't erase the reputation back home. We only showed that we are getting better overall by winning at home. But to start winning abroad we need to atleast play abroad regularly, we don't get that oppurtunity.
 
Aman said:
Struggling is an understatement... these boys don't even look club standard..

Pathetic effort with the bat, I can't think of a touring side who has looked more out their depth.

Even if we don't bowl you out, I think we will manage to win this by 100+ runs easy.
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That's a very harsh statement devoid of any sense. We could have thought in the same way when New Zealanders succumbed 7-0 to us in Bangladesh.But from a cricketing point of view this type of thinking is nonsense.The conditions of two countries are totally opposite.Fast,bouncy,seaming pitch vs slow,turning track.When these 2 countries visit each other after every 6 to 7 years of gap this is bound to happen as they are both stronger team at their own den than their counterparts.
 
Justcrazy said:
Mushfiqur looking to bring it close.
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They are batting at 5.75 rate which is quite good actually, just that the per is too high. Probably below 300 was a realistic shot, but then Kiwis also would have tighten their game.
 
We are in difficult position to win because we lost a bit too many wickets too our liking.

Also, 342 target is too far out of our reach in a foreign land, pace bowlers who have been so useful in Asia have let us down in NZ. Hope to see Rubel bowl day after tomorrow.
 
Bangladesh needs to get rid of Sumaya Sarkar. The guy has been totally useless for as long as I remember. He did not even score one 50 in BPL.

They should play another seamer instead of him.
 
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Executioner said:
We are in difficult position to win because we lost a bit too many wickets too our liking.

Also, 342 target is too far out of our reach in a foreign land, pace bowlers who have been so useful in Asia have let us down in NZ. Hope to see Rubel bowl day after tomorrow.
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Who is the back-up WK?
 
That was expected Bangladesh will always struggle once they are outside their home
Only hope for bangladesh is fizz magic with the ball to win atleast one odi otherwise white wash is pretty much on
 
MMHS said:
I am asking again - who is the back-up WK? It's hamstring, for someone needs to go up & down 300 times at least in a match :(
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Nurul Hasan was with the squad in Australia.Probably he is not there in New Zealand.
 
Mainul said:
Nurul Hasan was with the squad in Australia.Probably he is not there in New Zealand.
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Should have taken Liton, Mushi is essential for Test series, for ODI, may be Liton can substitute. I don't think Mushi is going to play in 2nd ODI.
 
Not a good performance by NZ bowlers. Good job by Bangladeshi players. They did better than us.
 
Poor performance by NZ bowlers. They could have loose this match if they score under 300
 
Shafi said:
Poor performance by NZ bowlers. They could have loose this match if they score under 300
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Batting and bowling both would have looked a bit different in your hypothetical situation.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Mushy is a loser
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Probably he has a torn hammi, might not play in this series:(

Won't have won the match, but probably could have taken past 300, may be even close to 320. Mosaddek played brilliantly.
 
MMHS said:
Probably he has a torn hammi, might not play in this series:(

Won't have won the match, but probably could have taken past 300, may be even close to 320. Mosaddek played brilliantly.
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Blessing in disguise, time for Liton Das to make a name for himself.

How did a guy like Latham scored against Mustafizur, still don't rate Latham, probably a fluke knock.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Blessing in disguise, time for Liton Das to make a name for himself.

How did a guy like Latham scored against Mustafizur, still don't rate Latham, probably a fluke knock.
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Bowled wrong length for a smallish ground without the pace; should have played Miraj for Soumya. 3 left handers scored 240 out of 340 & we had a fantastic offie, whom Kiwis have never even seen.
 
BD did well despite a collapse of their top order.

Kiwis should give them a green mamba for ODIs, on flatter wickets Kiwis will still have their nose ahead but on green pitches difference between the two team could be wider.
 
MMHS said:
Bowled wrong length for a smallish ground without the pace; should have played Miraj for Soumya. 3 left handers scored 240 out of 340 & we had a fantastic offie, whom Kiwis have never even seen.
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Offie on NZ grounds is asking for murder. He might get a couple of wickets but he won't spin it much if at all.
 
Good win, both our good-great players failed and we managed to win the match comfortably.

Hopefully the next two matches are closer and the top order adjust quickly, what they displayed in those 20 overs or so was downright embarrassing.

These next two matches are probably Ronchi's last 2 chances to save his international career.
 
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leatherface58 said:
Offie on NZ grounds is asking for murder. He might get a couple of wickets but he won't spin it much if at all.
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He is a bit different than conventional turner, does lot in air & drift a bit. Going by Sakib's figure against right handers, I'll play him than part-time slow medium, who can't bat.
 
as far as i know west indies didn't win any series in pakistan in 80's while australia won series in all countries between 1999-2007
 
So just looked up Fizz's record.. he has played 9 ODI games with the 10th being played today.

The way some talk up, I thought he would have played A LOT more than that to be rated as highly as some Bangladeshi's do.
 
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Executioner said:
Shakib's batting and bowling has been a breathe of fresh air.

We are lucky to have the best all-rounder if the modern era but it's his misfortune the others aren't as good.

What is disappointing is the performance of the other senior players.
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Huh :danish

Kallis and lots of other all rounders say HI
 
Aman said:
So just looked up Fizz's record.. he has played 9 ODI games with the 10th being played today.
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So far he has played 2 tests, 10 Odis and 13 Odis in last 2 years. That's 25 international matches in total. Don't u think the sample size is more than enough to make a preliminary judgment about fizz :srini


Aman said:
The way some talk up, I thought he would have played A LOT more than that to be rated as highly as some Bangladeshi's do.
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He deserves all the praise he usually gets from both experts and his fans to be completely honest. Don't forget that he already has 4 five wicket hauls which also includes a five wicket haul in a t20 match against the current top t20 team NZ in a world cup tournament

There's no doubt that Currently he's by far the best LOI bowler in world cricket :yk
 
Orange Tree said:
So far he has played 2 tests, 10 Odis and 13 Odis in last 2 years. That's 25 international matches in total. Don't u think the sample size is more than enough to make a preliminary judgment about fizz :srini




He deserves all the praise he usually gets from both experts and his fans to be completely honest. Don't forget that he already has 4 five wicket hauls which also includes a five wicket haul in a t20 match against the current top t20 team NZ in a world cup tournament
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1) Those 2 Tests in reality are 2 innings.

2) T20's mean little to nothing, Bangladesh were rolled for 70 with Eillot's part time dibbly dobblies taking 3 for 12 in the same game..

There's no doubt that Currently he's by far the best LOI bowler in world cricket
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Mitchell Starc.
 
Aman said:
1) Those 2 Tests in reality are 2 innings.
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And he did quite nicely in those two innings. He can only face whatever is in front him. If he performs poorly in tests in future I won't hesitate to call him a mediocre test bowler.

Aman said:
2) T20's mean little to nothing, Bangladesh were rolled for 70 with Eillot's part time dibbly dobblies taking 3 for 12 in the same game.
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Again it's ur opinion. U don't like t20s and I respect ur choice. But there r plenty of supporters to whom tests mean little to nothing since it's highly dependent on conditions or pitch type and certainly can't be used as a yardstick to measure a team's/a player's true potential.

Aman said:
Mitchell Starc.
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In tests- yes

In odis - both of them r equally good.

In t20s- fizz is head and shoulders above Starc. It's not even a competition.

Overall in LOIs it's fizz(imo) , but Starc isn't that much behind either. :srini
 
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Bangla bros ended up scoring more than what I expected after being 4 down.
 
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