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New Zealand vs England | 1st Test | Dunedin | Mar 6-10, 2013

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Kiwis should not loose the plot here, they need to bat the whole day tomorrow and get a massive lead , and then wait for Poms to make mistakes
 
Looks like England have forgot to play swing and seam after continuously playing spin in india:p
 
Think England were done in by all the hype of grass in the pitch and rain etc. They always get played mentally (Ajmal teesra :yk).

Expect them to bat much better in 2nd innings. If NZ bat all day tomorrow getting 300+ lead, they have serious chance of winning this test unless England pull of a Gabba like performance.
 
battler said:
Looks like England have forgot to play swing and seam after continuously playing spin in india:p
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If you have seen the fall of wickets today, you will find it was neither swing nor spin that cost England dearly (except that gem of a 1st ball to KP, again it was a very good surprise block-hole delivery bowled at a perfect length/pace/line). It was the poor careless shot selection from their batters that lead to a dismal 1st inning total . Similarly 2 somewhat easy catches were also went down while NZ were batting (both of Rutherford's bat, who was playing superbly for a youngster on his debut).

This Pitch is an absolute belter (there wasn't much assistance for swing/spin) and there are no demons in it (BTW, Peter Fulton has scored over 40 runs on this pitch and still being not-out is the living proof of it). IMO, NZ need to get at least a lead of 300+ by the end of tomorrow's play. B'cos I doubt English batters will commit the same mistakes again on flat track like this. NZ will need to have at least 160 overs to dismiss this English side once again.
 
LOL...hopefully this is so bad that it is some kind of one-off. Got to be one of the worst performances ever.

Congrats NZ, probably going to win the Test.
 
Good going by the kiwis. Still got a lot of work ahead though hope they don't stuff it up. Something around a 200 lead would be tops. Southee can do the rest.
 
Looks like the upcoming Ashes will be a closer contest then what many thought :nasser
 
I didn't watch the game but looking at scorecard this looks like an excellent performance by the kiwis and they are clear favourites to win this Test. If they can get a 250+ lead they will be very happy.
 
James said:
LOL...hopefully this is so bad that it is some kind of one-off. Got to be one of the worst performances ever.
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In any event, we have only had one day's play. England might even still win. One of the top-order England batters is quite capable of getting 180 and shutting NZ out.

Even if we lose, remember that we lost the first test last time were were in NZ, then came back to win the series, and we were a much weaker unit then.
 
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NZcricketfan said:
RIP Martin Guptill's test career 2009-2013.
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Dunno I'd still have him around. He actually ain't that old and quality in LOIs think he'll make in tests eventually. Not too convinced by Fulton really.

Full strength team for me would be

1. Rutherford
2. Guptil
3. Kane Williamson
4. Taylor
5. Ryder
6. Brownlie
7. Mccullum (wk he's not good enough with the bat alone in test and NZ can't afford to weaken their batting even more, plus he's a very good keeper)
8. Vettori (he's still there isn't he, if not stick with Martin)
9. Wagner
10. Southee
11. Boult
 
Rutherford looked good to me.

I remember Lou Vincent made a ton on debut & I still thought he was a joker at test level, but Rutherford looks quality. not the finished article yet, but promising.

2 Metre Peter back on the scene & Guptil & Ryder in the wings means some healthy competition & real alternatives for batting for once.

Likewise Bracewell & Vettori for the bowling.

Not getting carried away because there are no world beaters in the team just yet but at least I haven't seen NZ with this much decent depth players for several years at least.
 
Good to see great england preparing properly for this seris and showing great proffesionalism as per usual. Shocking stuff from england, but then again england always tend to start test series like this.
 
With england been shot out on in near enough two sessions its meant that the loss of a full days play on day 1 may not now effect the game that much.
 
Nice to see Kiwis doing well :14:

This shows that Test cricket is still alive and kiwis also have respect for test cricket,......I am always with the weaker side to surprise ...So go Newzealand go......
 
Certainly enjoyed the scorecard..... England humilated, that's what you get for underestimating the Kiwis
 
You simply have to play more than one first-class game before committing to a Test series...England under-prepared, preferring an extended break, and they're paying the price.

Also tangible was how 'up for it' NZ looked, and how apart from a gritty professional like Trott pretty much none of our guys did.

A lot of work for us to come back in the series.
 
James said:
You simply have to play more than one first-class game before committing to a Test series...England under-prepared, preferring an extended break, and they're paying the price.

Also tangible was how 'up for it' NZ looked, and how apart from a gritty professional like Trott pretty much none of our guys did.

A lot of work for us to come back in the series.
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Some good points, but a couple of guys (like KP) received beauts that would have taken out most batsmen. Been a long time coming, but the Kiwis deserve some credit for finally playing the kind of cricket that we all know they're capable of.
 
Great job by Kiwis....hopefully they will make it count.......Vaughan was jumping too much about two tiers and Aussies worries.......
 
James said:
You simply have to play more than one first-class game before committing to a Test series...England under-prepared, preferring an extended break, and they're paying the price.

Also tangible was how 'up for it' NZ looked, and how apart from a gritty professional like Trott pretty much none of our guys did.

A lot of work for us to come back in the series.
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What about the 2011 Ashes?
England had so much preparation yet they only managed 260.
 
Jo_Don said:
Some good points, but a couple of guys (like KP) received beauts that would have taken out most batsmen. Been a long time coming, but the Kiwis deserve some credit for finally playing the kind of cricket that we all know they're capable of.
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I gave NZ credit in an earlier post :)


ahmed778 said:
What about the 2011 Ashes?
England had so much preparation yet they only managed 260.
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England drew that Test (most teams lose at Brisbane, even now) and won the series 3-1.
 
If (and its a massive if) we win this test, Malakian(or OBE Vaughan) would stop posting on PP :yk
 
Vaughan has been raining fire on the Aussies for a couple of days , must be feeling like dunked in ice about now .
 
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Some interesting stats for English fans:

The last away series where England started off with a win was against SA in SA in 2004 and went on to win the 5 match series 2-1
Only once have England won a Test before after posting less than 167 in their first innings.
 
:O I still couldnt believe the score. But it would be great to see England join Aus, Ind, Pak, WI, NZ, SL in the fight for the last position. :yk
 
Sometimes we have won the Series after losing the first Test. Comfort. Because we're probably going to lose this one.
 
If England lose 2 tests on this tour and we win 4-0, we become number 2 side. :D
 
I watched most of the first day, brilliant days cricket. England batsmen just took it too easy thinking they would pile on the runs but McCullum was superb as skipper with his field placings.

I hope NZ win this from here.
 
Yaser said:
Kiwis mentioned this claiming you're making excuses :jf
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Just trying to find a positive in this debacle.

It would take us doing to them what they did to us - taking 10 wickets for 170 - to get back into this. Our bowling attack isn't good enough to do that on this track though. Probably.
 
James said:
Sometimes we have won the Series after losing the first Test. Comfort. Because we're probably going to lose this one.
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More than sometimes in recent times. When was the last time England won the first test of an overseas tour? Yet they've come back well against sri lanka, india and the aussies (had to come back after facing defeat in brisbane). They almost came back well in the 2nd and 3rd tests in UAE. So I wouldn't be too worried as an England fan.
 
Sounds illogical atm but i think England will come back strongly in this test .
 
Utterly humbled. I wonder if England will show up today, or if it will be a three day victory tomorrow.
 
Highest wicket taker is South African, as well as the highest run scorer for opposition.. and SA are not even playing in this test :amla
 
vandokkum said:
Highest wicket taker is South African, as well as the highest run scorer for opposition.. and SA are not even playing in this test :amla
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What's the white population in South Africa? or was in past 10-15 years?
 
Anfield said:
What's the white population in South Africa? or was in past 10-15 years?
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Not sure about the exact figures, but can't be more than 10 percent. Was probably couple percent more in the 80's/ 90's.
 
vandokkum said:
Not sure about the exact figures, but can't be more than 10 percent. Was probably couple percent more in the 80's/ 90's.
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It has dropped off very fast then - in the 1960s about 25% were white.

A lot of whites fled SA in the 1990s, and SA has taken millions of black Zimbabwean refugees in the last decade.
 
It is amazing how many great cricketers have produces with such a small white population. It's unfortunate that blacks were not allowed to play before and they're catching up now but South African's have done immensely well.
 
The timing of the match is quite challenging for a fan....

It is 1 o' clock midnight in Pakistan...Around 8 PM in England and probably we still have 3 hours before the match starts....Good luck to Robert and James...:19:

I remember those old days when i used to lose my sleep for 4/5 am matches and get up even before half an hour before the starting time in those cold winter nights of December...
 
waqar goraya said:
The timing of the match is quite challenging for a fan....

It is 1 o' clock midnight in Pakistan...Around 8 PM in England and probably we still have 3 hours before the match starts....Good luck to Robert and James...:19:

I remember those old days when i used to lose my sleep for 4/5 am matches and get up even before half an hour before the starting time in those cold winter nights of December...
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Pakistan India bilateral series 04-06 right?
 
talha3 said:
Pakistan India bilateral series 04-06 right?
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Pakistan India games are not played at 4:00 am Pakistan time ...

I am talking about Pakistan's tours to Australia and Newzealand ,when matches start before dawn for us in Pakistan...
 
Most of the matches in US EST start between 12 am and 5 am. Talk about poor timings...
 
Anderson bowling that back of length crap he had put away for the past two years. :(
 
Watching Rutherford bat is a bit like watching Straussy. He is a good find for the Kiwis.
 
Gunther said:
Today we will learnt a bit more about Monty
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Not fair, even Warne/ Murali will struggle to make an impact when team has been bowled out for 150 on a pitch as good as this. If he does well then good on him.
 
This NZ pace attack is decent, they may have the 4th best bowling squad after SA, Pak, Eng. Probably on par with Aussie's.
 
vandokkum said:
Not fair, even Warne/ Murali will struggle to make an impact when team has been bowled out for 150 on a pitch as good as this. If he does well then good on him.
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I do not expect him to run through NZ. But 2-3 wickets going at 2 runs an over would be very good. Too often in the past, he appeared to rapidly lose his fizz when the conditions were not in his favor. Body language, giving an impression that you are trying..
 
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Oh wow, Fulton goes. Only 9 more to go.


Lol, we are in for a proper smashing.
 
Great atmosphere in the ground. Both Barmy army and the local support are very vocal :D
 
Fulton gone. More than did his job. Kane needs to play one of his daddy hundred knocks now.
 
New zealand probably have their weakest tail in a long time, but unfortunately for England this is probably their best batting lineup in a long time as well.
 
Finn cannot bowl dry to save his life. At times like these I long for the Bressie lad.
 
vandokkum said:
New zealand probably have their weakest tail in a long time, but unfortunately for England this is probably their best batting lineup in a long time as well.
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Weakest tail in a long time? Any tail without Chris Martin is a stronger tail.
 
Finn was hyped up by all english media esp after he got his short "150 kph+" run-up.
 
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