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Former United States President Barack Obama dismissed conjecture that Islamabad was aware of the presence of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

Obama made the statement during a question and answer session following his address at the 15th Hindustan Times Leadership Summit at Hyatt Regency in New Delhi.

“We had no evidence that Pakistani government was aware of Osama bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad,” he confirmed. “We obviously looked at it.”

The former US president jokingly warned the audience to not make up statements for him. “It is very important for you to stop making comments from my side.”

Since the 2011 secret raid by US Special Forces at Laden’s compound near the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul in Abbottabad in May 2, 2011, there has been much speculation whether he had support from within the Pakistani security establishment to hide at stone’s throw from a top military academy.

However, when America’s Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] rummaged through a treasure trove of documents seized from Bin Laden’s compound it couldn’t find anything that might suggest the world’s most wanted terrorist had any support from the establishment.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/157376...vernment-aware-obl-presence-abbottabad-obama/
 
I don't think anyone actually says that the Pakistani govt. knew about Osama.Tt was the Establishment all along
 
Former United States President Barack Obama dismissed conjecture that Islamabad was aware of the presence of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

Obama made the statement during a question and answer session following his address at the 15th Hindustan Times Leadership Summit at Hyatt Regency in New Delhi.

“We had no evidence that Pakistani government was aware of Osama bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad,” he confirmed. “We obviously looked at it.”

The former US president jokingly warned the audience to not make up statements for him. “It is very important for you to stop making comments from my side.”

Since the 2011 secret raid by US Special Forces at Laden’s compound near the Pakistan Military Academy Kakul in Abbottabad in May 2, 2011, there has been much speculation whether he had support from within the Pakistani security establishment to hide at stone’s throw from a top military academy.

However, when America’s Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] rummaged through a treasure trove of documents seized from Bin Laden’s compound it couldn’t find anything that might suggest the world’s most wanted terrorist had any support from the establishment.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/157376...vernment-aware-obl-presence-abbottabad-obama/

Good try by his Indian hosts though....100 marks for that but baat naheen banee...
 
Very public rebuke of the Indian media. Doubt they will report this though.
What's there to report, OBL was within a few thousand feet/metres of a military Garrison (academy?) & you think he could hole up for about a decade without any local/establishment help? This is right up there with the 9/11 being inside job conspiracy theory btw do you know how many Al Qaeda leaders were nabbed in Pak?

Nice try though :29:
 
I don't think anyone actually says that the Pakistani govt. knew about Osama.Tt was the Establishment all along

There's no evidence of that either. Although the question of who the establishment is would probably open another can of worms and more conspiracy theories.
 
Well offcourse, ISI and Army arn't the govt.
 
There's no evidence of that either. Although the question of who the establishment is would probably open another can of worms and more conspiracy theories.

yeh, first go visit the city of abbotabad then talk.

army cantonment area, plus in such areas there are certain requirements implemented on the walls height.
 
The government may not be aware, but the GHQ certainly was.
 
yeh, first go visit the city of abbotabad then talk.

army cantonment area, plus in such areas there are certain requirements implemented on the walls height.

I said there is no evidence which is true as far as I know. If the Pak army and US miliary are in alignment on security matters then that is good enough for me.
 
Neither did the Yanks. By their own admission they werent even 50% sure it was OBL. Obviously after killing someone else they made a deal with Pak army to claim it was OBL and threw joe bloggs in the sea.
 
What's there to report, OBL was within a few thousand feet/metres of a military Garrison (academy?) & you think he could hole up for about a decade without any local/establishment help? This is right up there with the 9/11 being inside job conspiracy theory btw do you know how many Al Qaeda leaders were nabbed in Pak?

Nice try though :29:

In fact, claiming that OBL was assisted by the military or the state is right up there with nutter conspiracy theories. That is by definition. Both Obama administration and Trump administration have said that Pakistan was not aware of OBL. If the supposed victim has said this, then you really have no ground to stand on. So no, you are the conspiracy theorist, not the person you are quoting.
 
Neither did the Yanks. By their own admission they werent even 50% sure it was OBL. Obviously after killing someone else they made a deal with Pak army to claim it was OBL and threw joe bloggs in the sea.

I think this is the version I am inclined to believe, hence my assertion that as long as the US and Pak military were in alignment it was fine by me.
 
I don't think anyone actually says that the Pakistani govt. knew about Osama.Tt was the Establishment all along

What is the difference? Are you talking about the military as 'establishment'? Obama/Trump administrations have referred to both and said neither knew.
 
Obama is such a G. Reminding Indians not to spread fake news like they always have about Pakistan.

The conspiracy theorists are literally so dumb..it was OBL who was killed in Abottabad. The arrests of his wives and the bodies of the sons confirm this...has anyone even read the plethora of evidence from the BinLaden family after the incident? All kids and wives lined up to get their piece of the BinLaden family pie which was promised to them after the death of OBL. Also, OBL's family did maintain contact with him even though they publicly disowned him during his time in Pakistan. This is a fact.

Also, Indian conspiracy nut jobs trying to pin this on Pakistani Military is also hilarious. Go read some official US state office files that prove OBL's brother (who remained in contact with him) lives few blocks away from the White House. Getting a rusty looking house next to a military academy in Pakistan is a piece of cake given the power this family has.
 
What has he done. Took away the talking point of Indian tv anchors and keyboard warriors. It was a point to go for Indian media and keyboard warrior when they couldn’t come up with anything else.

As Trump would say “sad, very sad, tremendously sad”
 
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In fact, claiming that OBL was assisted by the military or the state is right up there with nutter conspiracy theories. That is by definition. Both Obama administration and Trump administration have said that Pakistan was not aware of OBL. If the supposed victim has said this, then you really have no ground to stand on. So no, you are the conspiracy theorist, not the person you are quoting.
Oh right is that why the US didn't inform the Pak military of their operation & also left their stealth copter on the ground after the operation was over, which you handed over to the Chinese?

Seems like the majority of Pak population is still in denial, I wonder if you're also one of those who thinks that a fake OBL was killed in those raids?

No they haven't, what the current OP states is that the US have no evidence to prove that Pak was complicit in keeping OBL hidden. Of course your military & govt haven't responded as to why he was in Pak for a good decade or so & there is no UN or US backed independent investigation revealing your role in it.
 
Oh right is that why the US didn't inform the Pak military of their operation & also left their stealth copter on the ground after the operation was over, which you handed over to the Chinese?

Seems like the majority of Pak population is still in denial, I wonder if you're also one of those who thinks that a fake OBL was killed in those raids?

No they haven't, what the current OP states is that the US have no evidence to prove that Pak was complicit in keeping OBL hidden. Of course your military & govt haven't responded as to why he was in Pak for a good decade or so & there is no UN or US backed independent investigation revealing your role in it.

Country looking for him said, no evidence to suggest Pakistan knew. Country looking for him hasn't asked for UN or US backed indepenent investigation. and the person who authorized his assassination has clearly said in simple word in a country that is obsesses with Pakistan that their is no evidence. So, yeah! sorry about that.
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by the way why don't India fund independent evidence ?

talking point taken away.

Obama assassinating Indian talking points in India.
 
Country looking for him said, no evidence to suggest Pakistan knew. Country looking for him hasn't asked for UN or US backed indepenent investigation. and the person who authorized his assassination has clearly said in simple word in a country that is obsesses with Pakistan that their is no evidence. So, yeah! sorry about that.
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by the way why don't India fund independent evidence ?

talking point taken away.

Obama assassinating Indian talking points in India.
Wow the delusions are still going strong, also why would Pak implicate itself in the OBL fiasco with an independent inquiry, taking away your only talking point :21:
 
Zardari or Nawaz might not have known about this. Hence most Indians look at Nawaz and civilian government in good light.

ISI surely knew this and of course Army.
 
I don't know which is more embarrassing, they knew it and hide it from everybody or they didn't knew what is cooking mile away from PMA?? - This is one of those thing, no matter how you look at it, Army looks incredibly questionable, this is institutional Corruption at its best, they still hide it as National Security...Kaya Kaya Pappar bilnay partay haan, for the love of the country ;-)

One more episode that shows, Army is good at opening new projects but never able to manage it and follow through...Dozens of cases(Lal Mosque, Sawat takeover, Target killings - Bhuttos-, Darnas, 70K plus dead in suicide bombing, the Drones, Kargil, AQK, list goes on and on), where Army cannot manage anything, country has to suffer and despite one of the biggest Army we have worse law and order situation in the world. Have they ever done anything right?? - Pakistanis underestimate the cost of such an incompetent Army, that happens when nation is more focus on emotion than evidence/data :facepalm:
 
Wow the delusions are still going strong, also why would Pak implicate itself in the OBL fiasco with an independent inquiry, taking away your only talking point :21:

let me repeat, why don't India fund independent inquiry if they are that concern. Because US, UN and the rest of the world aren't.
 
let me repeat, why don't India fund independent inquiry if they are that concern. Because US, UN and the rest of the world aren't.
Let me reiterate, Pak will not implicate itself ever, no matter what!

Some of you still don't accept the the Mumbai attacks happened due to Pak terrorists, the 2001 Parliament attack was also orchestrated from across the border, the 99 Kargil war was your army's doing, the 92 blasts mastermind is still hiding in your country, the 80's Kashmir insurgency was your doing!

Tell me when will you stop & look at what's in front of you in plain sight?
 
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Let me reiterate, Pak will not implicate itself ever, no matter what!

Some of you still don't accept the the Mumbai attacks happened due to Pak terrorists, the 2001 Parliament attack was also orchestrated from across the border, the 99 Kargil war was your army's doing the 92 blasts mastermind is still hiding in your country, the 80's Kashmir insurgency was your doing!

Tell me when will you stop & look at what's in front of you in plain sight?

why would Pakistan fund any investigation relating OBL when the man who ordered his assassination said there is no evidence to suggest Pakistan knew where he was hiding. He said that in Indian. It is only Indian who resort to this talking point when they have nothing else to say, Obama took that away. basically assassinated that point in India.

Pakistan have always supported Kashmir struggle and will continue to support. But this thread isn't about Kashmir, it is about OBL.

So, why don't India fund independent investigation to show the world that Pakistan knew where OBL was since UN, US and the rest of the world has decided not to since no evidence exist.

here is an idea, India can play few cricket matches with Pakistan and use that money to fund it.
 
Oh right is that why the US didn't inform the Pak military of their operation & also left their stealth copter on the ground after the operation was over, which you handed over to the Chinese?

How does that prove Pakistan knew where OBL was? Dude, it doesn't matter, the US state is denying what you are claiming.

Seems like the majority of Pak population is still in denial, I wonder if you're also one of those who thinks that a fake OBL was killed in those raids?

Very bad analogy. You seem like suggesting that not believing in one conspiracy theory (that Pakistan knew OBL was there) is equivalent to believing in another conspiracy theory (that fake OBL was killed). Let me be clear - you are the one that's making up conspiracy theories, not those that do not believe Pakistan knew where OBL was. You are essentially saying US is lying or Pakistan is lying about this. That is by definition a conspiracy theory.

No they haven't, what the current OP states is that the US have no evidence to prove that Pak was complicit in keeping OBL hidden. Of course your military & govt haven't responded as to why he was in Pak for a good decade or so & there is no UN or US backed independent investigation revealing your role in it.

Yes, they have no evidence, ergo there is no reason to believe that they knew. If you have evidence, show it, otherwise you are making up conspiracy theories. This is like saying "you need to show evidence that I am wrong and if US says they have no evidence that doesn't mean they believe Pakistan didn't know of OBL". That sounds very much like a conspiracy theory.

How would military or government know why he was in Pakistan? Did they talk to him or something?
 
why would Pakistan fund any investigation relating OBL when the man who ordered his assassination said there is no evidence to suggest Pakistan knew where he was hiding. He said that in Indian. It is only Indian who resort to this talking point when they have nothing else to say, Obama took that away. basically assassinated that point in India.

Pakistan have always supported Kashmir struggle and will continue to support. But this thread isn't about Kashmir, it is about OBL.

So, why don't India fund independent investigation to show the world that Pakistan knew where OBL was since UN, US and the rest of the world has decided not to since no evidence exist.

here is an idea, India can play few cricket matches with Pakistan and use that money to fund it.

These guys are hilarious. They make up conspiracy theories, and those who don't believe those conspiracy theorists. LOL. It's like they have no idea what a conspiracy theory is, or things work backwards in their mind.
 
These guys are hilarious. They make up conspiracy theories, and those who don't believe those conspiracy theorists. LOL. It's like they have no idea what a conspiracy theory is, or things work backwards in their mind.

embarrassing and hilarious at the time. Indian TV anchors and conspiracy theorist probably don't know what to do.
 
How does that prove Pakistan knew where OBL was? Dude, it doesn't matter, the US state is denying what you are claiming.



Very bad analogy. You seem like suggesting that not believing in one conspiracy theory (that Pakistan knew OBL was there) is equivalent to believing in another conspiracy theory (that fake OBL was killed). Let me be clear - you are the one that's making up conspiracy theories, not those that do not believe Pakistan knew where OBL was. You are essentially saying US is lying or Pakistan is lying about this. That is by definition a conspiracy theory.



Yes, they have no evidence, ergo there is no reason to believe that they knew. If you have evidence, show it, otherwise you are making up conspiracy theories. This is like saying "you need to show evidence that I am wrong and if US says they have no evidence that doesn't mean they believe Pakistan didn't know of OBL". That sounds very much like a conspiracy theory.

How would military or government know why he was in Pakistan? Did they talk to him or something?
Right so he camped barely a mile away from a military base in a nuclear armed country for a good decade, clearly you think that either people are too dumb to understand what that means or your army is made up of a whole lots of fool, take your pick?

As far as I'm concerned some of you will never learn & never believe anything that makes your army look bad, that's a fact, your opinion on this subject reflects that!

They have no evidence because they couldn;t investigate it, you think letting you keep a stealth copter & not informing Pak about the raid was all US' incompetence? Pak wouldn;t let the US forces get anywhere close to OBL why would they let them investigate their role in hiding OBL?

How would you know what the generals did or didn;t know, can you travel back in time & report events from the army base when they came to know that their biggest secret was out?
 
Seems like US and Pakistan military alignment has got some neighbourly noses out of joint. It's not going to change soon in my view. US needs a foothold in the area, and Pakistan has been a long term facilitator regardless of what is said for public consumption from both sides.
 
Seems like US and Pakistan military alignment has got some neighbourly noses out of joint. It's not going to change soon in my view. US needs a foothold in the area, and Pakistan has been a long term facilitator regardless of what is said for public consumption from both sides.
And here I thought the US was the worst thing to happen to Pak, must've missed the part where you two (UK included) are the two peas in the same pod, scratching each others backs since 1947 :15:
 
Right so he camped barely a mile away from a military base in a nuclear armed country for a good decade, clearly you think that either people are too dumb to understand what that means or your army is made up of a whole lots of fool, take your pick?

As far as I'm concerned some of you will never learn & never believe anything that makes your army look bad, that's a fact, your opinion on this subject reflects that!

They have no evidence because they couldn;t investigate it, you think letting you keep a stealth copter & not informing Pak about the raid was all US' incompetence? Pak wouldn;t let the US forces get anywhere close to OBL why would they let them investigate their role in hiding OBL?

How would you know what the generals did or didn;t know, can you travel back in time & report events from the army base when they came to know that their biggest secret was out?

Could not get past your first line. You Indians really cook up some weird crap ...Here you go....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistani-report-details-bin-ladens-life-hiding-v19361109


August 2005 to May 2011 is not a good decade...learn to count

LOL. What a conspiracy nut job who believes the US Chopper was shot down by Pakistan. LOL...Even the extremist Pakistanis army supporters don't believe that because Pak Military literally had 0 forces on the west side of the border. You should read US diplomatic cables about eye witnesses who were neighbors. LOL LOL. Never thought an Indian would claim Pakistan shot down a US Chopper.
 
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Could not get past your first line. You Indians really cook up some weir crap ...Here you go....

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistani-report-details-bin-ladens-life-hiding-v19361109


August 2005 to May 2011 is not a good decade...learn to count

LOL. What a conspiracy nut job who believes the US Chopper was shot down by Pakistan. LOL...Even the extremist Pakistanis army supporters don't believe that because Pak Military literally had 0 forces on the west side of the border. You should read US diplomatic cables about eye witnesses who were neighbors. LOL LOL. Never thought an Indian would claim Pakistan shot down a US Chopper..
Do you need glasses, another set of eyes that sees anything contrary to what I posted? Go to www.***.edu & learn to read, I never said Pak shot the copter down.

It's all in the documentary, shown on discovery or NG, that details the events as they unfolded, there's also a memoir from one of the soldiers who took part in the mission IIRC.

As for the rest of your post, garbage.
 
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The great Pakistan Army can shoot down US Stealth Helicopters coming from Afghanistan, an area where they have 0 military assets...but can't stop an Indian surgical strike in the region where they have 100% of their assets. LOL. LOL. Indians will never fail to surprise with their paranoia and fake news about Pakistan. You need to be brought up on some really good brainwashed daals and sabzi to be this on this level.
 
Do you need glasses, another set of eyes that sees anything contrary to what I posted? Go to www.***.edu & learn to read, I never said Pak shot the copter down.

It's all in the documentary, shown on discovery or NG, that details the events as they unfolded, there's also a memoir from one of the soldiers who took part in the mission IIRC.

As for the rest of your post, garbage.

yep knew you got all your news form the TV. It's pretty obvious.
 
The only surgical strike was done in India was by Obama in India, assassinated TV anchors and keyboard warrior. and guess what evidence exist. still waiting on evidence by Indian surgical strike.
 
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Neither did the Yanks. By their own admission they werent even 50% sure it was OBL. Obviously after killing someone else they made a deal with Pak army to claim it was OBL and threw joe bloggs in the sea.

what i find hilarious is that when their own guys like ayman al zawhiri confirms it, guys like you still believe in conspiracies.
 
What a lot of fobs here don't understand is that in america we refer to the govt as the establishment, so when obama said Pakistan didnt kbow whwre obl was, he's also talking about ths pakistani army and isi. You guys are just splitting hairs now, I swear fobs are so annoying.
 
Pakistan government is anyway not the top dog in Pakistan.
 
Facts:

Some facts about the compound:

- Built in approximately 2006.
- Significantly larger than other homes in the area, and worth a reported $1 million.
- Lacked telephone and Internet service.
- The residents burned their trash rather than having it picked up.
- Approximately 24 people lived at the house.
- Surrounded by 12- to 18-foot walls topped by barbed wire.
- Had two security gates.
- Bin Laden and his family's living quarters were on the second and third levels.
- The third floor terrace had a seven-foot privacy wall.
- Located only about a mile from the Pakistan Military Academy.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/death-of-osama-bin-laden-fast-facts/index.html
 
Lol at the reaction of some posters. It’s as if Obama said Indian government knew about Bin Laden.
 
They've said the same about the military than the Pakistani army wasn't hiding osama,

Pakistani army had no knowledge and yet a non-Pakistani force had to go inside Pakistan to kill Bin Laden after location was zeroed in. Did you ask yourself why ?

Here you go if you never wondered about it.

Ziauddin Butt, former chief of the ISI, that the Abbottabad safe house was used by the Intelligence Bureau, another Pakistani spy agency? According to a December report in the Pakistani press, Butt said that bin Laden’s stay at Abbottabad was arranged by Brig. Gen. Ijaz Shah, head of the bureau from 2004 to 2008, on Musharraf’s orders.


Laden was suffering from kidney failure and required dialysis? This canard was repeated for years, notably by Musharraf. CIA analysts were always dubious, and no dialysis machines were found at Abbottabad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin.../gIQAccLhKR_story.html?utm_term=.20b207396865


Yes, there is no direct link to show that top officials knew about Bin Laden, but no one is getting fooled here.
 
Facts:

Some facts about the compound:

- Built in approximately 2006.
- Significantly larger than other homes in the area, and worth a reported $1 million.
- Lacked telephone and Internet service.
- The residents burned their trash rather than having it picked up.
- Approximately 24 people lived at the house.
- Surrounded by 12- to 18-foot walls topped by barbed wire.
- Had two security gates.
- Bin Laden and his family's living quarters were on the second and third levels.
- The third floor terrace had a seven-foot privacy wall.
- Located only about a mile from the Pakistan Military Academy.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/death-of-osama-bin-laden-fast-facts/index.html

Tell all that stuff to Obama, there's no way to rationalize with conspiracy nuts like you. Heck Obama, Trump, Flynn, Petraues or any other person within the US government could say Pakistan didn't hide Bin Laden and y'all still wouldn't believe smh
 
Loool that didn't stop our local media for pointing it out against Asif Zardari Hussain Haqaani, establishment creating the whole memogate scandal, associating it that with the Kerry Luger Bill..

The whole issue made Hussain Haqqani the scapegoat
 
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Tell all that stuff to Obama, there's no way to rationalize with conspiracy nuts like you. Heck Obama, Trump, Flynn, Petraues or any other person within the US government could say Pakistan didn't hide Bin Laden and y'all still wouldn't believe smh

Did I list any conspiracy above or simply listed facts for everyone to see? If you can dispute some facts then please do it.

I am fully aware of of all the statement saying that top level not being informed and there are equal number of statements made that many from other levels being involved.

Army and intelligence has to be extremely incompetent to ignore facts about the compound.
 
Facts:

Some facts about the compound:

- Built in approximately 2006.
- Significantly larger than other homes in the area, and worth a reported $1 million.
- Lacked telephone and Internet service.
- The residents burned their trash rather than having it picked up.
- Approximately 24 people lived at the house.
- Surrounded by 12- to 18-foot walls topped by barbed wire.
- Had two security gates.
- Bin Laden and his family's living quarters were on the second and third levels.
- The third floor terrace had a seven-foot privacy wall.
- Located only about a mile from the Pakistan Military Academy.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/death-of-osama-bin-laden-fast-facts/index.html

US intelligence would have known all of these details if you did. What does that tell you?
 
US intelligence would have known all of these details if you did. What does that tell you?



I din't know all details , but US intelligence did discover it otherwise Laden would have been happily living even right now.

See the time line,




2007 (approx.) - US intelligence uncovers the name of one of bin Laden's most trusted couriers.

2009 (approx.) - Intelligence sources identify the area of Pakistan where the courier and his brother live.

August 2010 - US intelligence sources identify the Abbottabad compound as the home of the courier and his brother, men who have no obvious means of affording a $1 million home.

September 2010 - The CIA informs President Barack Obama that bin Laden may be living in the Abbottabad compound. They base this on the size and price tag of the compound as well as the elaborate security.

February 2011 - The intelligence on the Abbottabad compound is considered strong enough to begin planning action.

March 14, 2011
- President Obama chairs the first of five National Security Council meetings to discuss an operation to raid bin Laden's compound and killing or capturing bin Laden.

April 29, 2011 - At 8:20 a.m. EDT, President Obama gives the order to raid bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/death-of-osama-bin-laden-fast-facts/index.html
 
I din't know all details , but US intelligence did discover it otherwise Laden would have been happily living even right now.

Instead of releasing these "facts", the US could have just shown the body and the video footage. Massive PR exercise for Obama govt with Pakistan state a part of the plan.
 
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