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I dont know what the stat would say now , but having travelled to all major cities in past 3-4 years , its only Hyderabad and Kerala where you genuinely notice that a lot of people are much taller than you . Am just a touch under 6ft . Delhites are definitely not tall .

I don't how far this is scientifically proven ,but the extremely hilly and inaccessible terrain of Kerala historically, is often quoted as a reason why Keralites have attained better natural height and athletic physiques, which applies for the women too.

If you notice the school athletic meets at national level, Keralites dominate most of the athletic events and this has been going on for long. That reflects in our most popular sportsmen too , like P.T Usha, IM Vijayan etc.

The higher nutritional levels (read less extreme poverty, more protein rich diet aka meat ) also can be associated as reasons why Keralites attain natural height better. Also centuries of cultural mixing with Arabs and Europeans etc can also be reasons for better height.

Another thing I noted is that the Sri Lankan's though historically and culturally very close to dravidians are on average taller and stronger. There has been an exchange of population between Kerala and SL historically , so that could be a reason too.
 
Some lighter news is in order :

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/yLqLISrnY6OAt9xtH13rnM/Who-are-the-biggest-buyers-of-gold-in-India.html

Who are the biggest buyers of gold in India?

The latest report from the World Gold Council says that gold demand from India was what supported global gold demand in the first quarter of 2017. Indian purchases of gold jewellery in the first quarter of 2017 accounted for a little over a fifth of world jewellery demand. That is completely out of proportion to India’s share of world gross domestic product (GDP), which is around 3% or so, in current US dollars. During Q1, 2017, India’s demand for gold jewellery was 92.3 tonnes, compared to 22.9 tonnes for the US. Investment demand for gold in the form of bars and coins was 31.2 tonnes in Q1 2017, compared to 16.2 tonnes for the US.

India’s hunger for gold is not surprising—people have been complaining about the “drain of gold” into India for ages, starting with Pliny the Elder, the Roman writer of the 1st century AD. But where in India does the gold go to? And who are the people who buy all this gold jewellery?

The short answer to the first question is, in one word: Kerala. For a longer answer, turn to Chart 1, which shows the monthly per capita expenditure on gold ornaments among the Indian states. The data have been taken from the National Sample Survey Office (NSSO)’s survey on Household Consumption of Various Goods and Services in India, 2011-12. Only data from the states have been taken here and Union territories have not been included.

The first thing that catches the eye in the chart is how different Kerala is from the rest of India in terms of spending on gold ornaments. For instance, not only does rural Kerala top the rankings for spending on gold ornaments, its per capita spending is six times higher than the state that ranks number 2—Goa. Indeed, rural Kerala’s per capita spending on gold ornaments is far ahead of the total per capita spending of all the other six top states by gold consumption shown in the chart.

Urban India, being richer, spends more on gold ornaments than rural areas. Nevertheless, here too urban Kerala ranks first by a mile among the states. To be sure, Kerala has relatively high per capita income, but it’s certainly not so different from other Indian states as the gold consumption data suggests. Cultural factors must be behind its status as an outlier. It is no wonder then that the Kerala chief minister wants a low goods and services tax (GST) for gold.

At the other extreme are the states with the lowest per capita expenditure on gold ornaments. As the chart shows, the north-eastern states figure prominently in this list—again the reason is likely to be cultural factors rather than poverty. It’s likely though that poverty is the factor behind states like Bihar and Jharkhand having low per capita gold consumption.

What about the second question—who buys all this gold? Well, the rather obvious answer is it’s the rich. Chart 2 has the details. The population is divided into 12 fractiles depending on their consumption. Fractile 12 is the top 5% in terms of consumption, fractile 11 the next 5%, fractile 10 the next 10%, fractile 9 the next lower 10% and so on, with fractile 1 being the lowest 5%. In other words, the fractile classes used are the percentile classes 0-5%, 5-10%, 10-20%, 20-30%, 30-40%, ..., 70-80%, 80-90%, 90-95%, and 95-100%. These fractiles are taken separately for rural and urban India.

As the chart shows, the richest 5% in rural India spend 6.2 times more on gold ornaments than the next 5%. In urban India, this multiple is 3.9 times. Sure, even the poor buy some gold jewellery. But note how much more the top 5% spend on gold ornaments compared to the middle percentiles. Clearly, the people who will benefit the most from a low goods and services tax (GST) rate on gold will be the rich.

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1. I am pretty aware of Kerala's obsession with gold, but surprised to not see Andhra /Telengana anywhere ? Aren't these guys supposed to be big on gold . ?

2. Fellow North/West/central indians, what do you invest your savings in otherwise, if not for gold ? Do people just buy up lots of land ? [MENTION=139678]Zak_Fan[/MENTION], [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION], [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION], [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]
 
Some lighter news is in order :

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1. I am pretty aware of Kerala's obsession with gold, but surprised to not see Andhra /Telengana anywhere ? Aren't these guys supposed to be big on gold . ?

2. Fellow North/West/central indians, what do you invest your savings in otherwise, if not for gold ? Do people just buy up lots of land ? [MENTION=139678]Zak_Fan[/MENTION], [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION], [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION], [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]
It's mostly in land here.Though quite a few people I know like to invest in gold biscuits etc.
People should avoid buying gold in bulk for investment purposes.It's a dead asset as India imports most of it and only contributes in rising inflation.
 
1. I am pretty aware of Kerala's obsession with gold, but surprised to not see Andhra /Telengana anywhere ? Aren't these guys supposed to be big on gold . ?

2. Fellow North/West/central indians, what do you invest your savings in otherwise, if not for gold ? Do people just buy up lots of land ? [MENTION=139678]Zak_Fan[/MENTION], [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION], [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION], [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

Invested in property 2 years ago, was the biggest mistake I made. Have lost something like 30% already, and it will only get worse. To answer your question, land has definitely been the investment of choice in my family for years.
 
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1. I am pretty aware of Kerala's obsession with gold, but surprised to not see Andhra /Telengana anywhere ? Aren't these guys supposed to be big on gold . ?

2. Fellow North/West/central indians, what do you invest your savings in otherwise, if not for gold ? Do people just buy up lots of land ? [MENTION=139678]Zak_Fan[/MENTION], [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION], [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION], [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION]

Telugus buy gold as well,but no one buys to the extent of Malayalees, think its considered a necessity there.

I don't invest in physical gold but have in gold ETFs and also life insurance funds,will probably will diversify more into mutual funds hopefully in the future via SIP.
 
It's mostly in land here.Though quite a few people I know like to invest in gold biscuits etc.
People should avoid buying gold in bulk for investment purposes.It's a dead asset as India imports most of it and only contributes in rising inflation.

Maybe, but in states like kerala, where the real estate markets is highly unstable, gold is the one of the more safer investments.

Invested in property 2 years ago, was the biggest mistake I made. Have lost something like 30% already, and it will only get worse. To answer your question, land has definitely been the investment of choice in my family for years.


Isn't the real estate market very stable up north, unless your'e investing in the big cities ?

Telugus buy gold as well,but no one buys to the extent of Malayalees, think its considered a necessity there.

I don't invest in physical gold but have in gold ETFs and also life insurance funds,will probably will diversify more into mutual funds hopefully in the future via SIP.

There is the social necessity for sure aka Dowry, but land is in short supply here, and gold can be easily hidden :)).
 
Invested in property 2 years ago, was the biggest mistake I made. Have lost something like 30% already, and it will only get worse. To answer your question, land has definitely been the investment of choice in my family for years.

Did you buy the property in NCR?
 
Regarding the recent language agitation in Karnataka over the Metro Rail signboards. It's blown up in the state like very few had expected, that too in a rather less regionalistic state like Karnataka. It's not a fringe / tamil only issue as the General narrative tries to portray up near Delhi. Though this piece is rather a bit aggressive in tone, they raise some valid points and some unanswered queries :

http://www.firstpost.com/india/hindi-on-bengaluru-metro-signboards-its-a-conflict-between-preserving-identity-and-bid-at-homogenisation-3777851.html

Hindi on Bengaluru Metro signboards: It's a conflict between preserving identity and bid at homogenisation


The #NammaMetroHindiBeda movement against the imposition of Hindi in Bengaluru Metro has gathered significant political support. It seems that decades of forced imposition of the language and marginalisation of Kannada in the Karnataka capital, under the hubris-laden smokescreen called 'cosmopolitanism', is coming home to roost.

The aggressive Hindi imposition initiatives by the present BJP-led Union government provided the spark to the powder keg of discontent that has been brewing for quite some time now.

Let us be clear about certain basic notions first. The Indian Union is not an entity formed on the basis of any language. In short, there is no language that 'binds' it. However, most non-Hindi states of the Indian Union were, in fact, formed explicitly on the basis of language. That is, in almost every state there is a binding language on whose basis the state was formed. Thus, states broadly correspond to the core homeland of certain ethnolinguistic nationalities.

Hindi is not the national language of the Indian Union – in fact, it does not have one. It is an unheard of concept in the Constitution of India. If this sounds new to you and if you have heard textbooks, media, Delhi-headquartered party politicians and others telling you that Hindi is the national language, it's because they are lying and want you to believe in that lie; so much so that it almost becomes a "natural truth" by shameless repetition.

Hindi is the mother tongue of about 26 percent of the citizens of the Indian Union and the language is not understood by a majority of people. Still, Hindi is one of the two official languages of the Union government – a restrictive system in a multi-lingual Union of linguistic states that casts a majority of the citizenry into second-class citizenship.

The ambit of usage of the official language is limited to official functions of the Union government. Announcements in train stations, trains, airports or planes are not official functions of the Union government. They are customer service and safety functions of the travel sector. The concept at the centre of all travel-related service is not "national unity", not Hindi promotion, or showing who paid for the infrastructure and other such unrelated things. At the centre is the welfare of the traveller.

The Bengaluru Metro, called Namma Metro (Namma meaning "our" in Kannada), is a joint venture between the Karnataka government and the Union government, implemented through an agency called the Bangalore Metro Rail Corporation Limited (BMRCL). When it started in 2011, it had three languages for all signs and announcements – Kannada, English and Hindi. The inclusion of Hindi as a public service in a city of Karnataka, where Hindi does not even figure in the top five mother tongues of Karnataka or Bengaluru makes no sense in terms of giving a service to the public.

But wherever the Union government is involved, Hindi imposition in areas where it is irrelevant and unwanted has been a long pursued Delhi policy. Due to huge opposition to this initial inclusion of Hindi, two things happened. RTI activists made BMRCL admit that though there was no specific direction for inclusion of Hindi from the Union or Karnataka government, it had followed guidelines issued by the Union Ministry of Road Transport and Highways.

The ministry specifies a three-language formula of including Hindi in non-Hindi states for the convenience of Hindi-speaking people and a two-language formula of Hindi and English in Hindi states, again for the convenience of Hindi-speaking people only.

The metro falls under none of these categories of road transport or highways, neither is it obligated to follow such Union ministry guidelines. That was the fishy bit. On an RTI inquiry, the BMRCL stated that it was the decision of the BMRCL board.

It stated that, "As mentioned, BMRCL being a new mass rapid transit system for Bangalore and that Bangalore being a cosmopolitan city, BMRCL has thus adopted a language policy whereby the display boards should be understood by most of the commuters". That’s all good, except that census figures show that there are more Kannada, Telugu, Tamil and Urdu mother tongue people in the area than Hindi. So to keep the international character and intelligibility, the use of English is understandable.

Also, many Dravidians are conversant in that language and don’t share the "English is foreign" logic of Hindi people. In fact, the Gujarat High Court has clearly stated that for non-Hindi states, Hindi is also a foreign language. So, that takes care of English. If the BMRCL's idea was that "the display boards should be understood by most of the commuters", then Kannada and English should have been there, along with other languages in the order of the number of mother tongue people of a language in the area.

If a three-language formula was to be instituted, the candidate for the third language, based on the BMRCL principle of reach would have been either Telugu, Tamil or Urdu as each of them outstrip Hindi in the area. So, why a small minority language of Karnataka called Hindi is accorded this vaunted status using backdoor reasons?

Clearly, it is not understandability but the age-old Delhi disease of Hindi imposition. No wonder, the BMRCL management is packed with Hindi people, in the form of IAS cadres sent by New Delhi. This initial public opposition forced BMRCL to take a step back and remove Hindi announcements and Hindi direction boards inside the metro stations. Thus, the Hindi imposition plot sad been foiled due to citizen’s activism and awareness.

Now, the BMRCL has again started pushing Hindi widely inside the Namma Metro. What prompted this change even after a sane understanding had been reached? Here, it is relevant to mention that the Union ministry involved as a stakeholder in BMRCL is the urban development ministry. The minister in charge is one M Venkaiah Naidu, who regularly lies to the public stating that Hindi is the national language and who, in spite of winning multiple Rajya Sabha terms from Karnataka, never cared to pick up the language of the Kannadigas he supposedly represented.

These are the sort of people and mentalities one is dealing with here. In fact, when Naidu wanted yet another Rajya Sabha term, a justified uproar went up in Karnataka – so much so that Naidu was not given a nomination this time.

It seems that Naidu's power and stature depend completely on wishes of the Hindi-dominated Delhi headquarters of the BJP. Thus, after he took over, the BMRCL started getting Hindi imposition directives from the Union urban development ministry. Such things are always best done by non-Hindi politicians without a significant native base. Naidu fits the bill perfectly.

It is useful to remember that the urban development ministry has no such Constitutional mandate to impose Hindi on BMRCL. After the Delhi diktat led to the re-introduction of Hindi in Namma Metro, the font sizes of the language on the sign boards were also increased. Let me remind you once more that BMRCL is not a Union government organisation. And even if it were, the Hindi imposition ideology of the Union government is what is being protested. This whole notion that the Union government necessarily equals Hindi is imperialistic and chauvinistic and has no place in a federal democracy. Union government is the government of all linguistic nationalities of the Indian Union, not that of Hindi people alone.

This latest round of Hindi imposition in the Namma Metro evoked unprecedented resistance from Kannada activists. This has now spread to large sections of Karnataka's civil society as well as non-Kannada groups. It started out as a social media campaign with the hashtag #NammeMetroHindiBeda, that trended all over India with many non-Kannadiga people joining in, who are similar victims of Hindi imposition in various ways.

The protests took to the streets and demonstrations happened in front of the Town Hall on JC Road. The Delhi media sat up and took notice – albeit with its usual Hindi bias in the narrative. The intensity of this movement has now isolated BJP in Karnataka's political scene on this question. It is on the back foot on this issue and has not managed to fight off the charge that is levelled against the party in most non-Hindi states – that it is a Trojan horse for the expansion of the Hindu ideology.

HD Deve Gowda's Janata Dal (Secular) has come out strongly against the imposition Hindi in Namma Metro. Certain senior ministers of the Congressite state government of Karnataka have also opposed Hindi in Namma Metro. Even Chief Minister Siddaramaiah had made a public statement about his resolve to oppose Hindi imposition by the Centre around the same time.

Thus, the protests are hardly 'fringe'. They represent the Kannadiga mainstream. In the wake of rising protests, Hindi signs in some metro stations have been covered. This method has been used by the wildly popular social media page Troll Haiku, to mark this as the reliving of the feeling of Independence for this present generation of Kannadigas.

The rise of linguistic nationalism in non-Hindi states is not unrelated to the Hindi imposition drive by the Union government party, that is completely dominated by representatives of Hindi states. Just in the last three years, Kerala and West Bengal have made their state languages compulsory as a subject in schools; Odisha chief minister Naveen Patnaik has protested the wanton imposition of Hindi by replacing Odia in Delhi-controlled NHAI’s signposts in Odisha; Andhra Pradesh chief minister N Chandrababu Naidu has flagged the issue of differential fertility rates between the cow belt and the rest; and DMK leader MK Stalin called for a second independence struggle against Hindi imposition.

While Hindi chauvinists charge that insistence of non-Hindi languages divides people, the reality is the opposite. It has been uniting diverse peoples. Even the fractious Tamil-Kannadiga relationship has been put aside as the Karnataka unit of DMK has come out in open support of a Kannada-English two-language policy for Namma Metro.

As #NammaMetroHindiBeda trended, Marathis started their own social media campaign with the hashtag #AapliMetroHindiNako that trended in Mumbai, Pune and in Bengaluru – thus marking a great example of disregarding their border dispute disagreement for a bigger cause. Thus, for some years now, the Hindi imposition issue has become much more than a Tamil issue as Delhi likes to portray it – to minimise its relevance, reach and scope.

Enthused by their success and aware of the need for unity and solidarity, Kannada groups are planning a conclave on the Hindi imposition issue and plan to invite stakeholders from Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and West Bengal. While Hindi is imposed everywhere for the benefit of Hindi-speaking people in the name of the three-language formula, Hindi states themselves provide no such benefit to non-Hindi people among their midst, who are expected to learn the local language, that is Hindi.

So, the Delhi Metro has Hindi but no Bangla for its Bengali commuters, while the Union government forces Kolkata Metro to have Hindi for the benefit of Hindi-speaking commuters. Even basic things like local train tickets, tourist helplines, air tickets, in-flight safety announcements are always made in Hindi and never in any non-Hindi state language, even when the train or plane plies between two non-Hindi places or even within a non-Hindi state.

Equality and dignity are a pre-condition for unity. This issue goes beyond just Hindi signboards. It is a tussle between the reality of a diverse, multi-lingual, multi-national Federal Democratic Union and the homogenising ideology of 'Hindi-Hindu-Hindustan'. It is not only an issue of language but also of state rights and federalism, of preserving identity in the face of obliteration and homogenisation.

That was the promise of decolonisation which has been delivered to the Hindi belt, ironically, using funding of revenue-rich non-Hindi states. While the Hindi establishment wants themselves represented everywhere, it denies reciprocal rights for non-Hindi people.

Such a unilateral approach is a model for division and not unity, as the ultimate result of Pakistan’s Urdu imposition made apparent in 1971. The powers that be should heed these signs and roll back all directives and initiatives making Hindi compulsory in non-Hindi states. That is the way to peace and unity.


- Garga Chatterjee
 
Haven't these morons learned from Kashmir issue ? Never force anything on others. If we want to speak Hindi, we'll learn it, don't force your stupid language on rest of us.
 
Haven't these morons learned from Kashmir issue ? Never force anything on others. If we want to speak Hindi, we'll learn it, don't force your stupid language on rest of us.

Bhai I agree imposing one's will on the others is never a good idea but how is Hindi a stupid language? Kindly elaborate.
 
The language imposition is being blown out of control deliberately ,the only place where its being forced is Darjeeling where they have no issue with Hindi replacing Bengali.
 
The language imposition is being blown out of control deliberately ,the only place where its being forced is Darjeeling where they have no issue with Hindi replacing Bengali.

Don't think so, if this had happened in TN/ANdhra/Kerala, you could've said that . But this happened in Karnataka, historically the state least hostile to Hindi and a state that has generally the highest proportion of hindi speaking (using) migrants in the country.

I feel that the Kannada community of the state are suddenly feeling that their culture is under threat . TN/Andhra by virtue of their strong regionalistic nature of their politics have always held their respective language in their native state in a very dominant place. But the relatively lax nature of Kannada politicians and their very shortsighted vision of development (Bangalore or Nothing) has for years disillusioned the natives.

The rise of regionalism there is more of an outlet to vend their frustrations with the state and the political system. As a person who was caught right in the middle of the recent Kaveri Agitations in the city (6-7 months back) I feel the anger of the locals isn't necessarily directed at the Migrants , but due to the fear of losing their identity.
 
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Don't think so, if this had happened in TN/ANdhra/Kerala, you could've said that . But this happened in Karnataka, historically the state least hostile to Hindi and a state that has generally the highest proportion of hindi speaking (using) migrants in the country.

I feel that the Kannada community of the state are suddenly feeling that their culture is under threat . TN/Andhra by virtue of their strong regionalistic nature of their politics have always held their respective language in their native state in a very dominant place. But the relatively lax nature of Kannada politicians and their very shortsighted vision of development (Bangalore or Nothing) has for years disillusioned the natives.

The rise of regionalism there is more of an outlet to vend their frustrations with the state and the political system. As a person who was caught right in the middle of the recent Kaveri Agitations in the city (6-7 months back) I feel the anger of the locals isn't necessarily directed at the Migrants , but due to the fear of losing their identity.

Karnataka unlike other southern states doesn't have a singular culture and Hindi speaking population has come in much higher numbers in Bangalore,Mysore compared to any city in Southern India no state will be happy with so much immigration,that's the reason why the backlash,not to forget I have seen many Hindi speakers make fun of Kannada the language which is sad.

Karnataka is one state in India where there are multiple speakers of different languages from Tulu to Urdu and now Hindi,its a very unique state imo in India where Belgaum district actually speaks Marathi and has no issues with languages except the local politicians,the backlash is probably coz the way Kannada is treated,almost in every other southern state people come and learn the local language not here,even the Malayalees that have juice shops and Arabian chicken fast foods don't bother much in learning the language,although slowly everything seems to be changing.

My point was other states are blowing language imposition out of control,Karnataka should blow it because they imo are mistreated,but again its usually local politicians.

Also as i was corrected by a poster before its : Kannadiga and not Kannada when referring to people.
 
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The purpose of this thread is to discuss the culture and life of these two geographical entities and highlight the important differences.Also if given a choice who would you like to be friends with?
Disclaimer: No racist posts allowed ridiculing south indians on the basis of their skin color.
PS: I would have included NE India as well but since no one cares about them so..

This entire clumping of diverse states into "North India" is wrong. Bihar is very different from Maharashtra, which is very different from Haryana which is very different from Orissa which is very different from Gujarat...

As there are only 4 Southern states, the category "South India" has more validity.
 
I don't how far this is scientifically proven ,but the extremely hilly and inaccessible terrain of Kerala historically, is often quoted as a reason why Keralites have attained better natural height and athletic physiques, which applies for the women too.

<b>If you notice the school athletic meets at national level, Keralites dominate most of the athletic events and this has been going on for long. That reflects in our most popular sportsmen too , like P.T Usha, IM Vijayan etc. </b>

I have no idea what world you live in. In the last Commonwealth Games, there were 18 Indian states that won medals. Kerala wan't one of them:

http://www.merinews.com/article/har...-in-2014-cwg-glasgow-for-india/15899707.shtml
 
I feel that the Kannada community of the state are suddenly feeling that their culture is under threat . TN/Andhra by virtue of their strong regionalistic nature of their politics have always held their respective language in their native state in a very dominant place. But the relatively lax nature of Kannada politicians and their very shortsighted vision of development (Bangalore or Nothing) has for years disillusioned the natives.

The rise of regionalism there is more of an outlet to vend their frustrations with the state and the political system. As a person who was caught right in the middle of the recent Kaveri Agitations in the city (6-7 months back) I feel the anger of the locals isn't necessarily directed at the Migrants , but due to the fear of losing their identity.

I assume you belong to the Malayalam community. Thanks [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] :))

You couldn't be more wrong with your last sentence. The frustrations locals have had to endure at the hands of boorish, ill-informed and ignorant, yet supremely confident, idiots from the North has worn their patience thin.

However, I don't see a Maharashtra situation happening here simply because Kannadigas are generally peaceable. Also, the leaders which include a strong influence of Reddys are also quite corrupt and therefore can be bought out at the nascent stages of a Sena type uprising.
 
Don't think so, if this had happened in TN/ANdhra/Kerala, you could've said that . But this happened in Karnataka, historically the state least hostile to Hindi and a state that has generally the highest proportion of hindi speaking (using) migrants in the country.

I feel that the Kannada community of the state are suddenly feeling that their culture is under threat . TN/Andhra by virtue of their strong regionalistic nature of their politics have always held their respective language in their native state in a very dominant place. But the relatively lax nature of Kannada politicians and their very shortsighted vision of development (Bangalore or Nothing) has for years disillusioned the natives.

The rise of regionalism there is more of an outlet to vend their frustrations with the state and the political system. As a person who was caught right in the middle of the recent Kaveri Agitations in the city (6-7 months back) I feel the anger of the locals isn't necessarily directed at the Migrants , but due to the fear of losing their identity.
[MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] bro is in Chennai, Chennai is almost like a different part from rest of Tamil Nadu due to multiculturalism. He doesn't know the true frustration of people in Tamil Nadu. Chennai is located in the Northern most part of TN, this is where majority of the media is located and lot of press coverage through out Tamil Nadu isn't shown on TV. In Chennai it is normal to speak Tamil with thick accent and use wrong grammar, since most Tamil movies use models, actors, actresses from different state and people are used to hearing bad Tamil on screens and even in person. When they hear bad Tamil in cities like Madurai, Trichy and other areas of Tamil Nadu it really irks people. You think Karnataka is getting bad stick, imagine TN which always lost its battle with other states due to its inability to elect BJP/Congress in TN. BJP/Congress always favour other states over TN since there is no benefit of favouring any rules against. Wait till they actually try to impose.
 
This entire clumping of diverse states into "North India" is wrong. Bihar is very different from Maharashtra, which is very different from Haryana which is very different from Orissa which is very different from Gujarat...

As there are only 4 Southern states, the category "South India" has more validity.

While everyone likes to categorize all 4 states into "South India" as if we all share same culture and history, we do the same for "North India". Besides, you guys all understand Hindi and languages are similar anyway. When we say "North India" we are not talking about Orissa. We are generally looking at Gujarat, Hindi, Mumbai(diversified), Delhi, Haryana and Punjab. We don't even add Calcutta to the category.
 
While everyone likes to categorize all 4 states into "South India" as if we all share same culture and history, we do the same for "North India". Besides, you guys all understand Hindi and languages are similar anyway. When we say "North India" we are not talking about Orissa. We are generally looking at Gujarat, Hindi, Mumbai(diversified), Delhi, Haryana and Punjab. We don't even add Calcutta to the category.

Overwhelming majority of people of MP/UP/Bihar look very different to people of Himachal/haryana/Punjab/Delhi. They all can speak Hindi. That's where the similarity ends.

I don't see any difference between a Telugu/Kannada person and someone from Bihar/UP/MP. Very hard to tell them apart.

If I have to club people based on looks, I will club Telugu/Kannada/Marathi/Oriya/Bihari/UP'ite/Bengali people together.

Gujarati/Rajasthani people are very similar.

Punjabi/Himachali/Haryanvi people are similar to each other.
 
In terms of intellectual accomplishments about 50 to a 100 years ago, the Bengalis were dominant with people like Aurobindo, Satyendranath Bose, Tagore, Vivekananda etc.

In recent times the South has been dominant, with people like Chandrashekhar, Anand, Nadella, Pachauri etc.

In commerce the Marwaris and Gujaratis still excel, but in the newer tech fields the rest of the country is catching up.
 
Kerala emerged as the overall winner for the 19th consecutive time of the National School Athletics championship

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/story/kerala-news/1/586338.html

Quite definitely, the performance is the Commonwealth Games which is an international event is more meaningful compared to Indian School championships. If you are going to talk about national rather than international events, at least give data for adults rather than school competitions.
 
Quite definitely, the performance is the Commonwealth Games which is an international event is more meaningful compared to Indian School championships. If you are going to talk about national rather than international events, at least give data for adults rather than school competitions.

2015 National Games of India medal table

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Services 91 33 35 159
2 Kerala 54 48 60 162
3 Haryana 40 40 27 107
4 Maharashtra 30 43 50 123
5 Punjab 27 34 32 93
6 Madhya Pradesh 23 27 41 91
7 Manipur 22 21 26 69
8 Tamil Nadu 16 16 20 52
9 Gujarat 10 4 6 20
 
2015 National Games of India medal table

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Services 91 33 35 159
2 Kerala 54 48 60 162
3 Haryana 40 40 27 107
4 Maharashtra 30 43 50 123
5 Punjab 27 34 32 93
6 Madhya Pradesh 23 27 41 91
7 Manipur 22 21 26 69
8 Tamil Nadu 16 16 20 52
9 Gujarat 10 4 6 20

Again, your post leaves out important details. The top placed team in the "National Games" is usually the home team (last column in table below). Even tiny Manipur won when it was held in Imphal. Not surprising that Kerala did well when it was held in Kerala.

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Give your theories of the European and Arab ancestry of Keralites a rest. Keralites I have met are pretty much like other Indians. If you want scientific facts about the ancestry of Keralites, wait for some population genetics data to come out.
 
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Again, your post leaves out important details. The top placed team in the "National Games" is usually the home team (last column in table below). Even tiny Manipur won when it was held in Imphal. Not surprising that Kerala did well when it was held in Kerala.

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What about 2011 and 2007 ? Stop bringing other things into this discussion.
 
What about 2011 and 2007?

Same as 2015 that you referenced. All 3 were won by the Services.

Given that tiny Manipur won when it was hosted in Imphal, I simply can't attach any particular importance to Kerala ending 2nd in 2015.

Keralites are fine people and I have good friends from there. But absurd ideas are still absurd ideas.
 
Same as 2015 that you referenced. All 3 were won by the Services.

Given that tiny Manipur won when it was hosted in Imphal, I simply can't attach any particular importance to Kerala ending 2nd in 2015.

Keralites are fine people and I have good friends from there. But absurd ideas are still absurd ideas.

Kerala performed well in almost all national level championships it's a fact ,i don't need to prove anything by bringing silly arguments, Again you're posting things which isn't part of our discussion.
 
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Give your theories of the European and Arab ancestry of Keralites a rest. Keralites I have met are pretty much like other Indians. If you want scientific facts about the ancestry of Keralites, wait for some population genetics data to come out.


Since your first post here was a reply to mine , I guess your "allegations" are directed at me .

1. So you're saying that there is no cultural/genetic mixing in kerala from Europe and Middle east ?

https://in.rbth.com/articles/2012/06/06/europeans_and_indians_divided_or_united_by_dna_15923
[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION]

The above article has some fascinating findings, my doubts regarding the central asian Hun ancestry of rajputs (which I put to you once) was based on the marital race features of the Rajputs, the "Thiyya" community of kerala also claim to be descendant from such a group (not necessarily the same as the Rajput ancestors) that migrated far south.


http://www.interculturallearning.net/2007/03/21/the-state-of-kerala-india-a-case-study-of-acculturation-in-diversity/comment-page-1/


You seem to be one of those guys who are keen to establish the real absurdities like the "We indians are all the same " narrative that the Sangh so badly want South Indians to buy.

The AIT might've been hogwash propagated by the Brits for subduing Indians, but almost all recent studies have given evidences of actual migrations taking place to and fro in the Indian Subcontinent, and that Indians contain genes which are sourced from the Indo-European aka Aryan ancestors.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/genetics-proves-indian-population-mixture-8-8-13


Kerala's case is special because for centuries (till Bombay , Goa, Surat, Karachi etc were developed by the British) , Kerala had the most active ports on the Arabian sea, and the Trade of Indian spices, Ivory etc was one of the key reasons for all the European and Arabic expeditions to discover sea routes to India.

The traders who came here - Jews, Arabs, Syrians and later the europeans were actively encouraged to marry and settle down here by the local rulers. They were trying to keep the dominant traders of the time on their sides. Which is especially true for the Muslims (mappilah) community.

Genetic ancestery doesn't mean that keralites should start looking like white arabs or blue eyed europeans, but anyone who has been to kerala will tell you that the people tend to show a very wide variation in Skin tone , facial features and Height , much more than what you get in Tamil nadu, both of whom were the same cultural entity (Tamilakam) till early 7th - 8th century AD. How else did that come about, if not for genetic mixing with outside groups .

2. I have never mentioned anywhere that "race" was a factor in any of my observations on keralite's physicality here . The claims of racial superiority leading to higher achievements is usually made by the casteist Brahmins/ Kshatriya types , not us.

All I said was , living for centuries over highly hilly terrain may have resulted in certain keralites attaining traits of increased athleticism.

As [MENTION=140104]Hornbill[/MENTION] has posted, Kerala state has been dominating in the athletics sections in the National school level meets , consistently, and at that age most people win mostly on natural ability than acquired/trained skill , so I suppose that gives more validity to my observation.

My posts were originally in response to the observations of the physical/athletic/wrestling prowess of various Indian states by some other posters . So how can you take the examples of commonwealth games where it's Nation vs nation to a discussion about state vs state in Athletics. ? The national level events are a much better indicator of particular state's achievements in specific sports.
 
[MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] we are not huns man . Think [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] knows more about this stuff than myself. What are your theories regarding origins of Rajputs brother?
 
:)) at all the tracing back into history.

If someone knows who his dad is, I reckon he should be happy.
 
In terms of intellectual accomplishments about 50 to a 100 years ago, the Bengalis were dominant with people like Aurobindo, Satyendranath Bose, Tagore, Vivekananda etc.

In recent times the South has been dominant, with people like Chandrashekhar, Anand, Nadella, Pachauri etc.

In commerce the Marwaris and Gujaratis still excel, but in the newer tech fields the rest of the country is catching up.

From all peoples of Asia, only Bengalis (with Russians, Japanese and obviously Jews, but they surpassed everyone else) rivalled NW European contributions in modern science. Satyendra Nath Bose and Jagadish Chandra Bose were some of the greatest scientific minds of the last century, who would have been hailed as genii had they been British, German or French (in fact, objectively, in pure sciences I can't see a French rivalling them, perhaps Henri Poincaré and not even Louis de Broglie), with some dozens of movies about their life and so on, but of course you have hundreds of others, in all fields - in fact the Tagore famly alone had 5-6 major names, even if you forget the most famous, Nobel Prized one.

I really don't know what went wrong, but considering the human capital, Bengalis today should have produced a society comparable to Japan or the Asian tigers as of now.

If you look at the longer history, I'd say Tamils have a slight edge, though every major Indian ethnic group made contribution in science and literature (Keralites birthed Adi Shankara as well as the greatest Hindu mathematicians of the Middle Ages, which is no minor feat), Tamils produced a civilization of their own with the music, architecture, etc, but Bengalis really shone in modern times.

[MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] we are not huns man . Think [MENTION=137893]enkidu_[/MENTION] knows more about this stuff than myself. What are your theories regarding origins of Rajputs brother?

I've also read such theories about Huns, others more generic which stipulates that Rajputs were initially pastoral warrior tribes from Central Asia which have been "integrated" into the caste system by the Brahmins, and so on. Ultimately it's too complex and I stopped really reflecting about such contingencies.
 
From all peoples of Asia, only Bengalis (with Russians, Japanese and obviously Jews, but they surpassed everyone else) rivalled NW European contributions in modern science. Satyendra Nath Bose and Jagadish Chandra Bose were some of the greatest scientific minds of the last century

Also not to forget Meghnad Saha, a many faceted genius.

who would have been hailed as genii had they been British, German or French (in fact, objectively, in pure sciences I can't see a French rivalling them

You are right about the French and pure sciences, their contributions were in mathematics.

I really don't know what went wrong, but considering the human capital, Bengalis today should have produced a society comparable to Japan or the Asian tigers as of now.

As someone who is a Bengali, I can tell you exactly what happened. Firstly communism which crushed the private sector and resulted in most Bengalis with ability fleeing West Bengal in search of jobs elsewhere. Being intellectuals also means that society at large falls victims to stupid thinking. Secondly they stopped reproducing. From my grandparents to the next generation there was a decline of 50%, and our generation there has been a decline of 70%. From my father's generation to the generation next to me the decline in population is about 86%, while India's population has grown by about 200%. This is not something that is specific for Bengalis, it happens worldwide to all populations that adopt "modern" thinking.

I've also read such theories about Huns, others more generic which stipulates that Rajputs were initially pastoral warrior tribes from Central Asia which have been "integrated" into the caste system by the Brahmins, and so on. Ultimately it's too complex and I stopped really reflecting about such contingencies.

The legends about ancestries of Indians are really quite dubious. [MENTION=140459]SandyB[/MENTION] speaks about the Arab and European ancestry of Keralites, and there may be some of that, the question is how much? Is it 20% or 0.2%? The population genetics data that we have says it is < 0.2%.

Basically Indians are largely a mixture of Indo-Europeans and Dravidians. These are our two main ancestries. As the Indo-Europeans were the victors, people try to downplay their Dravidian ancestry. However, Dravidian ancestry is present in equal measure not only in the South, but even in North India. How do we know that? Because the Dravidian haplogroup H is very common in North India. Of course, in the South it is even more common, and even among the Southern Brahmins (which popular imagination equates to Aryan invaders) the frequency of haplogroup H is about twice the frequency of haplogroup R1a (the Aryan haplogroup).

The Rajput haplogroups are not found to be Central Asian (Turkish) haplogroups. Rather they are a mixture of mainly R1 and H like most other Indians. [MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshilla [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION]

Having said all this, yes it is true that the Indo-European haplogroup R1a does occur at higher frequencies in the upper castes, but it occurs at almost equal frequencies in middle-castes like the Yadavs.
 
From all peoples of Asia, only Bengalis (with Russians, Japanese and obviously Jews, but they surpassed everyone else) rivalled NW European contributions in modern science. Satyendra Nath Bose and Jagadish Chandra Bose were some of the greatest scientific minds of the last century, who would have been hailed as genii had they been British, German or French (in fact, objectively, in pure sciences I can't see a French rivalling them, perhaps Henri Poincaré and not even Louis de Broglie), with some dozens of movies about their life and so on, but of course you have hundreds of others, in all fields - in fact the Tagore famly alone had 5-6 major names, even if you forget the most famous, Nobel Prized one.

I really don't know what went wrong, but considering the human capital, Bengalis today should have produced a society comparable to Japan or the Asian tigers as of now.

If you look at the longer history, I'd say Tamils have a slight edge, though every major Indian ethnic group made contribution in science and literature (Keralites birthed Adi Shankara as well as the greatest Hindu mathematicians of the Middle Ages, which is no minor feat), Tamils produced a civilization of their own with the music, architecture, etc, but Bengalis really shone in modern times.



I've also read such theories about Huns, others more generic which stipulates that Rajputs were initially pastoral warrior tribes from Central Asia which have been "integrated" into the caste system by the Brahmins, and so on. Ultimately it's too complex and I stopped really reflecting about such contingencies.

I think the reason for these societies underachieving is that most of academics were Brahmin castes and which still make small fraction of these total ethnicities(Bengali etc) and low castes are overwhelming majority, many time these brahmins show different facial features than to other people in these regions Bengal/South India
 
on topic I have huge respect for South Indian Brahmin communities and there achievements., will definitely like to have some of these communities in Pak
 
I think the reason for these societies underachieving is that most of academics were Brahmin castes and which still make small fraction of these total ethnicities(Bengali etc) and low castes are overwhelming majority, many time these brahmins show different facial features than to other people in these regions Bengal/South India

on topic I have huge respect for South Indian Brahmin communities and there achievements., will definitely like to have some of these communities in Pak

:)) What a couple of posts.

Let me assure you that these communities will humbly and politely decline your generous offers.
 
on topic I have huge respect for South Indian Brahmin communities and there achievements., will definitely like to have some of these communities in Pak

:)) What a couple of posts.

Let me assure you that these communities will humbly and politely decline your generous offers.

Amax said something nice about an Indian community. Be gracious and thank him rather than ridiculing him.
 
I think the reason for these societies underachieving is that most of academics were Brahmin castes and which still make small fraction of these total ethnicities(Bengali etc) and low castes are overwhelming majority, many time these brahmins show different facial features than to other people in these regions Bengal/South India

IMO, Brahmins are the only community in South India that can look very different to the local populations. Colored eyes, brown hair, fair skin are usually found more frequently among them.
They can also be found in other castes (though rare).

There were no Brahmins in South until South Indian kings started inviting many Brahmins from North to perform rituals in their temples. There was no concept of Gotra in South Indian castes until Brahmins showed up and stated dividing castes based on lineages.

Most Dravidian Languages have Grammer similar to Sanskrit. For example, Telugu Language was given its Grammer by Brahmins.

Though Brahmin population is insignificant in South, their contribution to Dravidian Languages and literature is immense.
 
In terms of intellectual accomplishments about 50 to a 100 years ago, the Bengalis were dominant with people like Aurobindo, Satyendranath Bose, Tagore, Vivekananda etc.

I think the reason for these societies underachieving is that most of academics were Brahmin castes and which still make small fraction of these total ethnicities(Bengali etc)

Actually only one of Aurobindo, Satyendranath Bose, Tagore, Vivekananda and Saha was a Brahmin. 3 were Kayasthas and Saha was from a commercial caste. Just shows that Indian society doesn't really confirm to the old idea of 4 castes.
 
I think the reason for these societies underachieving is that most of academics were Brahmin castes and which still make small fraction of these total ethnicities(Bengali etc) and low castes are overwhelming majority, many time these brahmins show different facial features than to other people in these regions Bengal/South India

How do you come to the conclusion that only Brahmin communities were capable of any sort of cultural/scientific achievements ?

They historically have had the access to the best education, best resources and were the best placed to maximize the human potential within their community . And they made the best of it , continue to do so too.

The fact that knowledge/learning being restricted/ inaccessible to >70-80 % of the population of India is often quoted as one of the main reasons why India fell way back in scientific/cultural prowess throughout the second millennium, from the leading position we had since the Indus Valley Civilization.
 
From all peoples of Asia, only Bengalis (with Russians, Japanese and obviously Jews, but they surpassed everyone else) rivalled NW European contributions in modern science. Satyendra Nath Bose and Jagadish Chandra Bose were some of the greatest scientific minds of the last century, who would have been hailed as genii had they been British, German or French (in fact, objectively, in pure sciences I can't see a French rivalling them, perhaps Henri Poincaré and not even Louis de Broglie), with some dozens of movies about their life and so on, but of course you have hundreds of others, in all fields - in fact the Tagore famly alone had 5-6 major names, even if you forget the most famous, Nobel Prized one.

I really don't know what went wrong, but considering the human capital, Bengalis today should have produced a society comparable to Japan or the Asian tigers as of now.

If you look at the longer history, I'd say Tamils have a slight edge, though every major Indian ethnic group made contribution in science and literature (Keralites birthed Adi Shankara as well as the greatest Hindu mathematicians of the Middle Ages, which is no minor feat), Tamils produced a civilization of their own with the music, architecture, etc, but Bengalis really shone in modern times.



I've also read such theories about Huns, others more generic which stipulates that Rajputs were initially pastoral warrior tribes from Central Asia which have been "integrated" into the caste system by the Brahmins, and so on. Ultimately it's too complex and I stopped really reflecting about such contingencies.

Every society goes through the phase bro, look at ancient egypt for example. Ancient Egypt was advanced at one point and look at them now. I
 
on topic I have huge respect for South Indian Brahmin communities and there achievements., will definitely like to have some of these communities in Pak

The South Indian Brahmin community exercised caste system like heck, there is a reason why 2 major parties in Tamil Nadu that has been consistently winning for the last 50 years are considered "anti-brahmin". The reason why the Brahmin community flourished is because they denied everyone and ousted from any progressive activities. This is like saying "The British bought roads and railways to India so you have to respect them". Note in mind, there were also respectable Brahmins that were against the caste system.
 
IMO, Brahmins are the only community in South India that can look very different to the local populations. Colored eyes, brown hair, fair skin are usually found more frequently among them.
They can also be found in other castes (though rare).

There were no Brahmins in South until South Indian kings started inviting many Brahmins from North to perform rituals in their temples. There was no concept of Gotra in South Indian castes until Brahmins showed up and stated dividing castes based on lineages.

Most Dravidian Languages have Grammer similar to Sanskrit. For example, Telugu Language was given its Grammer by Brahmins.

Though Brahmin population is insignificant in South, their contribution to Dravidian Languages and literature is immense.

Not all Brahmins are fair and have brown eyes an not all Brahmins migrated from North India either. :danish Ashwin, Laxman Shivaramakrishnan, Abhinav Mukund, Baba/Indrajith and Sridharan Sriram are all Brahmins, they look nothing like North Indians. Murali Vijay and Dinesh Karthik are technically "lower caste" than player mentioned above(I said lower, not low). You may prominently see light skinned Brahmins in Chennai due to its location and migration but it is not the case everywhere.
 
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South Indian people are generally the best people in all of India, nature wise. Very humble and down to earth. Not to mention they got them brains.

Not all too long ago I used to believe this too. Being a Pakistani and having a good grasp of different ethnic groups in Pakistan I was interested in knowing the dynamics between the different people of India. The internet gave me the impression that North Indians are supposed to be dumb, arrogant and up to no good while the south Indians are intelligent and the friendlier Indian. I totally bought into it.

It was only when I went to college and got in contact with Indians did my view changed. It was a big shock to be honest.

When I first noticed the group of Indians in my course and got to find out who was from where because of my prejudice I was already inclined towards hanging out more with the guys from Kerala and Malayalam speaking people. There were total 7 indians. 6 including a girl were from south states like Tamil Nadu and Kerala. The only one left was from Delhi. So there actually was only one north Indian guy.

To make a long story short in the beginning because of the internet propaganda I always looked at the north Indian guy as arrogant and lazy. I avoided any interaction with him and kept them short. I thought that if I interact with him a lot it might lead to a fight. While on the other hand I was being very friendly with the south Indians.

Later we had to do a semester project and I was forced to work with the north Indian guy. To my surprise he was very friendly always willing to help me despite knowing my background. He also was the smartest of us all. Even the other Indians admitted it. I asked them in his absence that aren't South Indians supposed to be the smarter ones and all of them said that no it's not true. But that's not the only thing which caught me by surprised.

The most surprising thing was that out of all the Indians this North Indian guy ended up being the most friendliest one and also who I felt I could trust the most. He was the most likable guy too. While with the south Indians I never really felt accepted by them. Every time I would tell them something like the due date for an assignment or the homework requirements they would never trust me and always look it up. They always acted as of I was trying to fool them and they needed to be wary of me. While I on the other hand was always trying to help them and never really messed with them.

Once I gave one of the south Indians my USB stick and asked him if he could copy some important documents from his laptop on to my stick. He was very hesitant to take my USB stick and said he will send me a dropbox link later on in the day. Which was bizarre because it were only a couple of files and he would have to upload them on Dropbox first. I asked him jokingly if it was because he feared my USB stick might have a virus or otherwise harm his laptop and to my utter surprise he said yes. He was serious.

This was hilarious to me. This was after we had known eachother for two years. We would often study together at the library and this guy still had trust issues. I told him it was a pretty new USB stick and I only have a movie on it. He insisted on me sticking the USB at the college's computer first and showing him its content. I did exactly that. He still wasn't satisfied. Since I urgently needed those documents I said fine I will format the USB stick right in front of you. Only after formating my USB stick did he accepted it and plugged to his laptop. I mean obviously this guy might have trust issues and has nothing to do with him being south indian. But this whole interaction just validated the feeling of mistrust I perceived from the south Indians.

One thing I can confirm is that all the 5 South Indians guys were unassertive and severely lacked confidence. Not even one of them had any courage. They would always talk about the south Indian girl in her absence but never said anything in her presence. It was almost like a movie scene. And it was to no one's surprise that after the first year the north Indan guy started dating the south Indian girl.

The north Indian would sometimes jokingly make fun of one particular south Indian and he would never talk back. He would just silently listen. But behind his back while talking to me the south Indian guy would bad mouth the north guy. Which always bothered me and I told him plenty of times to say something back to the north Indian guy or at least tell him to stop when he is going overboard with his jokes. To this he would reply to me that he doesn't care about this north Indian guy. He doesn't want to hang around with him the north indian can say whatever he wants. He himself doesn't give a damn about his jokes. Then the next day I would find him sitting next to the north Indian guy or having lunch with him. Seriously this bothered me a lot. Because sometimes even I felt that the jokes were a bit too much and I always tried to encourage the south Indian guy to have some self respect and not just sit there silently taking it all in. But he always said he doesn't care and doesn't see him as a friend and the cycle repeated itself.

Once this south Indian was going back home for holiday and I asked him to send me some pics from his village so that I get a feeling of how the life is back there. I was genuinely interested in them. He said sure thing. He never sent me any pictures despite me reminding him about it. He later told me that his smartphone broke down and he couldn't take any pictures. Of course it was repaired now and working fine. All I wanted from him was a couple of photos of his hometown nothing fancy. Then there was this other South Indian guy I wrote him a text asking for help in an assignment he told me he has gone to Hawai for holidays and won't be back for a while. Two days later I see him at the bus stop.

I don't want to put down any group of people. India is a land of over one billion people and obviously not everyone is a like. But the reason I am sharing this is that through my own experience I find the internet legend of South Indians being smart and friendly to be a big fat lie and it just disgusts me now every time I see it because I was fooled by it. It is not that South Indians part which bothers me the most but the part about unfriendly and dumb North Indians which bothers me.

I got to interact with 7 Indians for a healthy amount of time. The only North Indian amongst them was the most friendly, helping and hardworking ,while the south Indians were the unfriendly and mistrusting one. Actually I don't had much interaction with the south Indian girl so you could say I only got to know 5 south Indians and one north Indian. As Sima idea I felt the north Indian guy did from time to time make over the top jokes about one particular South Indian but it was always in his presence and never behind his back . While the south Indian would never do anything about it despite me encouraging him to do so.
 
[MENTION=143248]Specialisttailender[/MENTION], Tamil Kabbadi team owned by Sachin,Kamal will be the brand ambassador,going to be a great addition,how is the Kabbadi scene down south of TN?
 
In an other thread someone wrote



Not all too long ago I used to believe this too. Being a Pakistani and having a good grasp of different ethnic groups in Pakistan I was interested in knowing the dynamics between the different people of India. The internet gave me the impression that North Indians are supposed to be dumb, arrogant and up to no good while the south Indians are intelligent and the friendlier Indian. I totally bought into it.

It was only when I went to college and got in contact with Indians did my view changed. It was a big shock to be honest.

When I first noticed the group of Indians in my course and got to find out who was from where because of my prejudice I was already inclined towards hanging out more with the guys from Kerala and Malayalam speaking people. There were total 7 indians. 6 including a girl were from south states like Tamil Nadu and Kerala. The only one left was from Delhi. So there actually was only one north Indian guy.

To make a long story short in the beginning because of the internet propaganda I always looked at the north Indian guy as arrogant and lazy. I avoided any interaction with him and kept them short. I thought that if I interact with him a lot it might lead to a fight. While on the other hand I was being very friendly with the south Indians.

Later we had to do a semester project and I was forced to work with the north Indian guy. To my surprise he was very friendly always willing to help me despite knowing my background. He also was the smartest of us all. Even the other Indians admitted it. I asked them in his absence that aren't South Indians supposed to be the smarter ones and all of them said that no it's not true. But that's not the only thing which caught me by surprised.

The most surprising thing was that out of all the Indians this North Indian guy ended up being the most friendliest one and also who I felt I could trust the most. He was the most likable guy too. While with the south Indians I never really felt accepted by them. Every time I would tell them something like the due date for an assignment or the homework requirements they would never trust me and always look it up. They always acted as of I was trying to fool them and they needed to be wary of me. While I on the other hand was always trying to help them and never really messed with them.

Once I gave one of the south Indians my USB stick and asked him if he could copy some important documents from his laptop on to my stick. He was very hesitant to take my USB stick and said he will send me a dropbox link later on in the day. Which was bizarre because it were only a couple of files and he would have to upload them on Dropbox first. I asked him jokingly if it was because he feared my USB stick might have a virus or otherwise harm his laptop and to my utter surprise he said yes. He was serious.

This was hilarious to me. This was after we had known eachother for two years. We would often study together at the library and this guy still had trust issues. I told him it was a pretty new USB stick and I only have a movie on it. He insisted on me sticking the USB at the college's computer first and showing him its content. I did exactly that. He still wasn't satisfied. Since I urgently needed those documents I said fine I will format the USB stick right in front of you. Only after formating my USB stick did he accepted it and plugged to his laptop. I mean obviously this guy might have trust issues and has nothing to do with him being south indian. But this whole interaction just validated the feeling of mistrust I perceived from the south Indians.

One thing I can confirm is that all the 5 South Indians guys were unassertive and severely lacked confidence. Not even one of them had any courage. They would always talk about the south Indian girl in her absence but never said anything in her presence. It was almost like a movie scene. And it was to no one's surprise that after the first year the north Indan guy started dating the south Indian girl.

The north Indian would sometimes jokingly make fun of one particular south Indian and he would never talk back. He would just silently listen. But behind his back while talking to me the south Indian guy would bad mouth the north guy. Which always bothered me and I told him plenty of times to say something back to the north Indian guy or at least tell him to stop when he is going overboard with his jokes. To this he would reply to me that he doesn't care about this north Indian guy. He doesn't want to hang around with him the north indian can say whatever he wants. He himself doesn't give a damn about his jokes. Then the next day I would find him sitting next to the north Indian guy or having lunch with him. Seriously this bothered me a lot. Because sometimes even I felt that the jokes were a bit too much and I always tried to encourage the south Indian guy to have some self respect and not just sit there silently taking it all in. But he always said he doesn't care and doesn't see him as a friend and the cycle repeated itself.

Once this south Indian was going back home for holiday and I asked him to send me some pics from his village so that I get a feeling of how the life is back there. I was genuinely interested in them. He said sure thing. He never sent me any pictures despite me reminding him about it. He later told me that his smartphone broke down and he couldn't take any pictures. Of course it was repaired now and working fine. All I wanted from him was a couple of photos of his hometown nothing fancy. Then there was this other South Indian guy I wrote him a text asking for help in an assignment he told me he has gone to Hawai for holidays and won't be back for a while. Two days later I see him at the bus stop.

I don't want to put down any group of people. India is a land of over one billion people and obviously not everyone is a like. But the reason I am sharing this is that through my own experience I find the internet legend of South Indians being smart and friendly to be a big fat lie and it just disgusts me now every time I see it because I was fooled by it. It is not that South Indians part which bothers me the most but the part about unfriendly and dumb North Indians which bothers me.

I got to interact with 7 Indians for a healthy amount of time. The only North Indian amongst them was the most friendly, helping and hardworking ,while the south Indians were the unfriendly and mistrusting one. Actually I don't had much interaction with the south Indian girl so you could say I only got to know 5 south Indians and one north Indian. As Sima idea I felt the north Indian guy did from time to time make over the top jokes about one particular South Indian but it was always in his presence and never behind his back . While the south Indian would never do anything about it despite me encouraging him to do so.
Despite being a South Indian, I find it difficult to connect with South Indians too. All of my friends are from North India. Another thing I do see is that South Indians tend to discriminate against people who don't speak their language. Have been at the receiving end of it a few times
 
[MENTION=143248]Specialisttailender[/MENTION], Tamil Kabbadi team owned by Sachin,Kamal will be the brand ambassador,going to be a great addition,how is the Kabbadi scene down south of TN?

More popular closer to village areas and in villages. Lets see if it gets following.
 
My observation:

1. South Indians are very patriotic Indians, perhaps even more so than the rest of India
2. South Indians dislike "Northies"
 
My observation:

1. South Indians are very patriotic Indians, perhaps even more so than the rest of India
2. South Indians dislike "Northies"

All Indians are patriotic Indians. We lynch the rest /s
 
[MENTION=143248]Specialisttailender[/MENTION], Tamil Kabbadi team owned by Sachin,Kamal will be the brand ambassador,going to be a great addition,how is the Kabbadi scene down south of TN?

People don't know but Kabaddi originated in Tamil Nadu, older gen call it sadugudu. They'd say "sadugudu sadugudu" instead of "kabadi kabadi".
 
People don't know but Kabaddi originated in Tamil Nadu, older gen call it sadugudu. They'd say "sadugudu sadugudu" instead of "kabadi kabadi".

Yeah,and in the 90's it was pretty common to see events on it and even played in schools,but other sports have taken over,Pro Kabaddi is a great tournament for giving access to Kabaddi players from villages but having two seasons a year is stupid,dunno if this year it would be same.

The viewership is high as well,I guess if Star Vijay shows with Tamil commentary it will do well.
 
Despite being a South Indian, I find it difficult to connect with South Indians too. All of my friends are from North India. Another thing I do see is that South Indians tend to discriminate against people who don't speak their language. Have been at the receiving end of it a few times

South Indians are extremely boring. Our culture is even more boring. They just watch movies and do not mingle with other people. Go to a South Indian gathering or function. Men and women sit in different places and there is zero interaction. Leads to lack of confidence when it comes to dating scene. Too shy to ask and lose out on potential dates or girlfriends. Our presentation is pathetic too. Women are worse than men.

I am actually in Bangalore right now and pretty disappointed with the local kids. It's as if nothing has changed in the personality of kids in the last 30 years. Same old shy kids. Personality development should be made mandatory to all students.

What works for South Indians is the learning culture. Education is top priority. We don't have much of a personality. Our body language is weak. But we still end up in a better economic situation than North people.
 
They are both equally as bad as each other South & North. Obviously being from the south my interaction has been mostly South Indians and a lot of them are frauds..................
 
South Indians are extremely boring. Our culture is even more boring. They just watch movies and do not mingle with other people. Go to a South Indian gathering or function. Men and women sit in different places and there is zero interaction. Leads to lack of confidence when it comes to dating scene. Too shy to ask and lose out on potential dates or girlfriends. Our presentation is pathetic too. Women are worse than men.

I am actually in Bangalore right now and pretty disappointed with the local kids. It's as if nothing has changed in the personality of kids in the last 30 years. Same old shy kids. Personality development should be made mandatory to all students.

What works for South Indians is the learning culture. Education is top priority. We don't have much of a personality. Our body language is weak. But we still end up in a better economic situation than North people.

Tamil Nadu culture is this times twice. Generally people from Tamil Nadu thinks Kannadigas and Telugus are more "liberal" than us.
 
Yeah,and in the 90's it was pretty common to see events on it and even played in schools,but other sports have taken over,Pro Kabaddi is a great tournament for giving access to Kabaddi players from villages but having two seasons a year is stupid,dunno if this year it would be same.

The viewership is high as well,I guess if Star Vijay shows with Tamil commentary it will do well.

Guys don't play kabadi even in Madurai city that much unless they have competition. You might not believe me but Madurai city is a city just like Chennai and Coimbatore. It is not all village like people think. But Madurai definitely not advanced as chennai interms of guys and girls mingling.
 
Southies tie all non southies as north, it doesn't matter whether you speak Marathi/ Gujarati/ punjabi just because we look slightly different in terms of facial features :facepalm:

South is rice addicted; they eat even curd with rice; breakfast items too have rice. Temples and culture are great esp Tamil.
 
Southies tie all non southies as north, it doesn't matter whether you speak Marathi/ Gujarati/ punjabi just because we look slightly different in terms of facial features :facepalm:

South is rice addicted; they eat even curd with rice; breakfast items too have rice. Temples and culture are great esp Tamil.

Well when rice is your staple crop and what grows the best in your Land, you tend to make everything with it . We love to generalise the "Roti-Sabji" 24 x 7 diet of the people up north as well .

I personally hate the whole "curd rice" thing though.

It's more popular in Karnataka/Andhra. Us far south are much more resourceful :p .

If you have rice, just call it rice ! Every time you pour some curry into it,why name it as if you just invented some whole other dish ! :doh (curd rice, sambhar rice, lemon rice .. .blah blah !.. ). /s

Be imaginative with your rice and not just boil it. We make a lot of varied preparations with rice.
 
Well when rice is your staple crop and what grows the best in your Land, you tend to make everything with it . We love to generalise the "Roti-Sabji" 24 x 7 diet of the people up north as well .

I personally hate the whole "curd rice" thing though.

It's more popular in Karnataka/Andhra. Us far south are much more resourceful :p .

If you have rice, just call it rice ! Every time you pour some curry into it,why name it as if you just invented some whole other dish ! :doh (curd rice, sambhar rice, lemon rice .. .blah blah !..).

Be imaginative with your rice and not just boil it. We make a lot of varied preparations with rice.

Lol true. Tamils also do the same.:))

May be it's because of our general culture of using plain rice..:)
 
North India (delhi, punjub, up) just like pakistanis. Easily relatable, laid back, similar humor and goals in life.

Middle india (mumbai, gujraat, bihar) hustler mentality, number one goal in life is to make money and save money

South india (banglore, hyderabad, chennai, kolkata) obessed with academics and working at top companies. Leaders in technology and science. Not very social outside of their own group.
 
Southies tie all non southies as north, it doesn't matter whether you speak Marathi/ Gujarati/ punjabi just because we look slightly different in terms of facial features :facepalm:

South is rice addicted; they eat even curd with rice; breakfast items too have rice. Temples and culture are great esp Tamil.

Let me correct you.

Marathi people are indistinguishable from other Southies.

Only Marathi Brahmins and some Maratha caste people look different to South Indians. Even among them, a Marathi Brahmin does not look much different to a Tamil orkannada or Telugu Brahmin. Spent a lot of time withMarathi folks, most Marathis look like South Indians. Same with Biharis or Bengalis or many from Eastern UP.

Only Punjabis, Haryanvis, Himachal, Uttsrakhand and Kashmiris look markably different to South Indians.
 
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/maharana-pratap-not-akbar-won-battle-of-haldighati-rajasthan-history-book/1/1010616.html

Rajasthan rewrites history: Maharana Pratap, not Akbar, won Battle of Haldighati


Rajasthan education board has approved changing its Class X history books to teach students that the Rana of Mewar, Maharana Pratap was the victor against Mughal emperor Akbar during the 16th-century Battle of Haldighati. .....

[MENTION=136588]CricketCartoons[/MENTION], [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] Since you are two most well known Rajputs here, whats your take on this issue. ?

Who really won, and is the Rajasthani govt justified in doing this ?
 
Covid Dries Up Kerala’s Petro-Dollar Pipeline From Gulf

Critically dependant on remittances from the Gulf, Kerala’s economy is staring at an abyss after lakhs returned home following Covid lockdowns

Ajeesh P.P., a 36-year-old Indian, ret*urned home from Oman in September 2020 after losing his job. His Arab employer had to shut down his upholstery workshop due to Covid-19 lockdowns and funds crunch, which resulted in job loss for Ajeesh and a couple of his colleagues.

Ajeesh, who had worked for 14 continuous yea**rs in Oman, would be paid Rs 49k a mon*th. He was supposed to receive around Rs 3 lakh, including various dues as end-*of-service benefits. Instead, he only got Rs 99k, including his September salary. Since his return, Ajeesh’s life in Kerala is stuck.

He first worked to set up an upholstery worksh*op in his village. But it didn’t happen because he couldn’t raise the investment required. Then he decided to start a small mobile tea shop and took a small food truck on rent for Rs 5,000 per month. But due to the Covid lockdown, that too failed, even though he had to pay the rent. Now, he works as a painter in his town.
“We don’t get regular jobs. Life is hard here,” Ajeesh added.

Another returnee, Udaykumar Vasudevan (36), joined a cashew factory as supervisor for a mon*thly salary of Rs 15,000. Udaykumar had retur*ned from Qatar in July 2020, having given up around Rs 1,50,000 in pending salaries and end-of-service benefits due to him. Having ret*urned empty-handed, he couldn’t think of sett*ing up a self-employment initiative, unlike Aje*esh.

So, he joined a cashew factory. But due to the Covid lockdowns and restrictions, the factory is only open intermittently, and doesn’t pay salaries regularly.

According to Ajeesh and Udaykumar, many of their friends who returned from foreign lands in 2020 after losing jobs during Covid lockdowns, are in the same sit*u*ation.

A data point shared in Parliament on December 12 revealed that 7,16,662 Indians had returned from Oman, Saudi Arabia, Qat**ar, Kuw*ait, Bahrain and UAE after losing jobs, follo*wing the Covid-19 outbreak.

Data released by the Department of Non-Resi*dent Keralite Affairs, a state government body set up for the welfare of Kerala’s sig*nificant mig*rant population, shows that bet*ween June 2020 and June 2021, 15 lakh Kera*l*i*tes returned from foreign countries following the pandemic. Of them, 12 lakh are now jobless.

There already were 37 lakh job-seekers in Kerala, according to government data. To this has now been added these 12 lakh returnees.

Unfortunately, even if the returnees want to return to the Gulf looking for jobs, opportunities are fewer as Arab countries too are struggling with the Covid-induced economic crisis.

The World Bank’s August report says the Covid-19 pandemic and subsequent fall in global oil demand has dealt Gulf Cooperation Council countries a comm*o*dity market sho*ck over the health crisis, causing a GDP contraction of 4.8 per cent in 2020.

“Fiscal deficits are projected to persist for most over the forecast period, however. The three count*r*ies with the largest deficits in 2020—*Kuwait, Bahrain, and Oman*—*are projected to remain in deficit throughout 2021-23, but at narrower ratios to GDP in 2023 than during the economic down*turn in 2020,” the World Bank rep*ort adds.

Rajendra Prasad, a construction company manager in UAE, says the*re is little activity happening in the region, compared to pre-Covid times. “It’s slowly picking up. But as there is a funds crunch, salaries offered to fresh recruits are low, and there are few takers,” Rajendra says.

Indian government data also reveals that com*p*ared to previous years, the number of people who migrated for employment is few. The Indian Protector of Emigrants data reveals that till October this year, only 80,756 people migra*ted to foreign countries for jobs.

In 2019, the number of migrants who left Ind*i**an shores for better opportunities abroad was 3,68,043. In 2020, that fell to 93,978. Com*par*i**ng migration outflows of 2019 and 2021 rev*eals there is a 78 per cent fall.

In August 2021, Keralite businessman Sant*h*osh K. travelled to Saudi Arabia via Kyrgyzstan, as the Saudis had put a ban on passengers direc*tly from India. The trip cost him around Rs 2 lakh. However, as he was running a business in Riyadh, he couldn’t avoid the trip. But many wor**kers who returned to Kerala during the pan**demic couldn’t go back to the Gulf, as ticket prices are still high.

Since May 7, 2020, India is operating limited number of flights under an air bubble arrangement. As the demand is high, so are ticket pri*ces. If earlier, a ticket to any Gulf country cost Rs 15,000, today it is around Rs 50,000. This doesn’t include mandatory RTPCR tes*ts, nor the Rs 1.5 lakh for institutional quarantine, if necessary. “Who can aff*ord this huge amount for a Rs 20,000 per month salary?” asks Raj*eesh R., who had returned from Qatar dur*ing the 2020 lockdown. Rajeesh is now working as a head loader in Ern*a*kulam.

The Kerala government has announ*ced rehabilitation plans for retur*nees, but many like Ajeesh are strug*g*ling to make use of these schemes due to complicated application processes.

Kerala-based migrant rights expert Mini Mohan says the Keralite’s Gulf dream is fast fading. “Fewer jobs, slashed salaries and high cost of migration are turning away Keralites from the Gulf, and this is going to affect Kerala’s economy, as remittance plays a vital role in it,” she says.

A fresh World Bank report says that on an average, overseas rem*i*tt*a*nces fell by $267 per month amo*ng Kerala households who repo*rted receiving remittance. Kerala rec*ei*v*es around Rs 2.27 lakh crore in remittance ann*ually, which is equivalent to 30 per cent of the state’s GDP. “Kerala’s decent education sta*n*dards, high health and living sta*n*dards were all achieved through remittan*ces from the Gulf that started in the 1960s. Now, that’s going to end. Interestingly, Kerala’s public debt is aro*und Rs 3.25 lakh crore. We also pay around Rs 20,000 crore as interests on loa*ns taken. And we don’t have enough resou*r*ces too. If migrat*ion to the Gulf fades away, Kerala will be in big trouble,” Mini adds.

Economist Ram Mohan K.T. says the state’s economy is often known as LLR (liquor, lottery and remittance) economy. If remitt*ance falls, it’s going to severely affect the state,” he added.

https://www.outlookindia.com/magazi...eralas-petro-dollar-pipeline-from-gulf/305337
 
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