Now overseas Pakistanis will be able to vote in Pakistan elections too!

[MenInG]

President Arif Alvi on Saturday promulgated an ordinance to grant voting rights to overseas Pakistanis and allow the use of electronic voting machines in general elections.

Through the Second Election (Amendment) Ordinance, the president amended Sections 94 (1) and 103 of Election Act, 2017.

“The Commission shall with technical assistance of the National Database and Registration Authority (NADRA) or any other Authority and Agency shall enable overseas Pakistanis to exercise their right to vote during general elections in their country of residence,” says the amended section 94 (1) of the Act.

According to amended Section 103, the Election Commission would be responsible for procurement of the electronic voting machine for use in general elections.

Earlier, the law had allowed extending voting rights, use of electronic voting and biometric verification machines as a pilot project in by-elections which would now be used for general elections as well.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/349350-pr...-voting-right-to-expatriates-in-general-polls

 

[MenInG]

So now apart from talking about who they prefer to govern in Pakistan, overseas Paks will be able to vote their favourites in as well.

 

[King-Misbah]

Good boost for PTI!

 

[Technics 1210]

Epic news. Now overseas Pakistanis have a hand in shaping Pakistan politics.

Not a great week for some. First the IPL cancelled, now overseas Pakistanis voting in Pakistan general elections.

Ha!

 

[Bewal Express]

There are a 28bn reasons why the overseas deserve representation.

 

[Mamoon]

This was expected.

PTI’s pathetic performance has ensured that they have pretty much lost all support in Pakistan.

The common man on the streets is cursing the government on a daily basis.

Imran and PTI are aware of the fact that they without overseas votes, they will get smashed in the next election.

The overseas PTI supporters are unaware of the ground realities and do not suffer the consequences of the destructive incompetence of the worst government - and the worst PM - in Pakistan history.

They are deluded and ignorant, and hence they still support Imran and PTI in droves.

This is a desperate move by PTI to save themselves from embarrassment in 2023.

 

[Savak]

This was expected.

PTI’s pathetic performance has ensured that they have pretty much lost all support in Pakistan.

The common man on the streets is cursing the government on a daily basis.

Imran and PTI are aware of the fact that they without overseas votes, they will get smashed in the next election.

The overseas PTI supporters are unaware of the ground realities and do not suffer the consequences of the destructive incompetence of the worst government - and the worst PM - in Pakistan history.

They are deluded and ignorant, and hence they still support Imran and PTI in droves.

This is a desperate move by PTI to save themselves from embarrassment in 2023.

Overseas Pakistanis have to save the country from badniyat local Pakistanis who did nothing during the reign of Zardari and Sharif and are unwilling to make the sacrifices necessary to turn around 20 years of loot and plunder. Good stuff from the pti. Someone has to save the country from its people

 

[Bewal Express]

This was expected.

PTI’s pathetic performance has ensured that they have pretty much lost all support in Pakistan.

The common man on the streets is cursing the government on a daily basis.

Imran and PTI are aware of the fact that they without overseas votes, they will get smashed in the next election.

The overseas PTI supporters are unaware of the ground realities and do not suffer the consequences of the destructive incompetence of the worst government - and the worst PM - in Pakistan history.

They are deluded and ignorant, and hence they still support Imran and PTI in droves.

This is a desperate move by PTI to save themselves from embarrassment in 2023.

Maybe you should read Javed Ch, a Noora Columnist on what was going to happen in 2019. He quoted a meeting from 2016, that claimed that PK would be bankrupt by 2019 and the person he was quoting was none other than Fawad Hasan Fawad. You illiterate ramblings can't change facts and your Aristoo Ahsan Iqbal admitted as much. So either debate or shut up.
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[Bewal Express]

Overseas Pakistanis have to save the country from badniyat local Pakistanis who did nothing during the reign of Zardari and Sharif and are unwilling to make the sacrifices necessary to turn around 20 years of loot and plunder. Good stuff from the pti. Someone has to save the country from its people

This is your pathetic Nooras at each others throat. And dont run off. Watch the video from 4 min and if you have the balls we will have debate.

 

[Mamoon]

Overseas Pakistanis have to save the country from badniyat local Pakistanis who did nothing during the reign of Zardari and Sharif and are unwilling to make the sacrifices necessary to turn around 20 years of loot and plunder. Good stuff from the pti. Someone has to save the country from its people

Overseas Pakistanis have no business poking their nose in Pakistan anymore. They worship their foreign passports and their love and concern for Pakistan is fake.

They claim that they are patriots and then make a million excuses when you ask them to return to the country that they proclaim to love.

As far as making “sacrifices” are concerned, PTI has destroyed the middle and lower class. When they are struggling to buy sugar in Ramzaan and cannot even afford the basic commodities anymore, you cannot convince them that this joker government will perform miracles in X years and improve their standard of living.

The people living in Pakistan do not buy PTI’s lies and dummies anymore. They are no longer prepared to be conned by a clueless leader who offers nothing but words and can achieve nothing practical.

The Pakistani public certainly needs saving, but from Imran and his government.

 

[Bewal Express]

This is your pathetic Nooras at each others throat. And dont run off. Watch the video from 4 min and if you have the balls we will have debate.

Sorry I quoted you. I was talking to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[Mamoon]

Maybe you should read Javed Ch, a Noora Columnist on what was going to happen in 2019. He quoted a meeting from 2016, that claimed that PK would be bankrupt by 2019 and the person he was quoting was none other than Fawad Hasan Fawad. You illiterate ramblings can't change facts and your Aristoo Ahsan Iqbal admitted as much. So either debate or shut up.
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The incumbent finance minister, Imran’s latest guru, has explicitly condemned PTI’s economic policies and has asserted to revert to the economic policies of PMLN.

He made it clear that if Pakistan does not achieve a GDP growth rate of 5% over the next 4 years, Pakistan will been in deep crisis.

The tragedy is that Pakistan had a GDP growth rate of 5.5-5.8% before the PTI government brought it down to 1.9% by choking the economy, and these are pre-COVID figures.

Now, Imran agrees with him after destroying the economy over the last 3 years.

 

[Bewal Express]

Overseas Pakistanis have no business poking their nose in Pakistan anymore. They worship their foreign passports and their love and concern for Pakistan is fake.

They claim that they are patriots and then make a million excuses when you ask them to return to the country that they proclaim to love.

As far as making “sacrifices” are concerned, PTI has destroyed the middle and lower class. When they are struggling to buy sugar in Ramzaan and cannot even afford the basic commodities anymore, you cannot convince them that this joker government will perform miracles in X years and improve their standard of living.

The people living in Pakistan do not buy PTI’s lies and dummies anymore. They are no longer prepared to be conned by a clueless leader who offers nothing but words and can achieve nothing practical.

The Pakistani public certainly needs saving, but from Imran and his government.

With the 28bn of the overseas PK, the rp would be at 300. Without overseas PK the country would be a running CAD of close 40bn and no way to fund it. Your illiterate nonsense has been exposed by everyone on here. And all you do is to look for the exit.

 

[Bewal Express]

The incumbent finance minister, Imran’s latest guru, has explicitly condemned PTI’s economic policies and has asserted to revert to the economic policies of PMLN.

He made it clear that if Pakistan does not achieve a GDP growth rate of 5% over the next 4 years, Pakistan will been in deep crisis.

The tragedy is that Pakistan had a GDP growth rate of 5.5-5.8% before the PTI government brought it down to 1.9% by choking the economy, and these are pre-COVID figures.

Now, Imran agrees with him after destroying the economy over the last 3 years.

Son let me educate you. I, could live in a lavish house with all the mod cons and give the illusion of wealth by borrowing from the bank. My neighbours won't know the difference until I can't pay back. Well in a nutshell that is the lie that has been sold to you and this combined with imports meant that back in 2016, they knew where this was heading. So tell me how they were going to pay for the 40bn CAD? I await with anticipation because you are about to solve our economic crisis with your answer

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Overseas Pakistanis have to save the country from badniyat local Pakistanis who did nothing during the reign of Zardari and Sharif and are unwilling to make the sacrifices necessary to turn around 20 years of loot and plunder. Good stuff from the pti. Someone has to save the country from its people

Extremely condescending post regardless of the subject of the thread. Asking people who can’t afford to eat, to make sacrifices.

 

[Muddaser]

Overseas Pakistanis have no business poking their nose in Pakistan anymore. They worship their foreign passports and their love and concern for Pakistan is fake.

They claim that they are patriots and then make a million excuses when you ask them to return to the country that they proclaim to love.

As far as making “sacrifices” are concerned, PTI has destroyed the middle and lower class. When they are struggling to buy sugar in Ramzaan and cannot even afford the basic commodities anymore, you cannot convince them that this joker government will perform miracles in X years and improve their standard of living.

The people living in Pakistan do not buy PTI’s lies and dummies anymore. They are no longer prepared to be conned by a clueless leader who offers nothing but words and can achieve nothing practical.

The Pakistani public certainly needs saving, but from Imran and his government.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post.

You of all people questioning someones patriotism.

 

[Technics 1210]

If Mamoon believes IK is finished, then why is he worried about overseas Pakistanis voting in the next GE?

Answers on a postcard please.

 

[Giannis]

Extremely condescending post regardless of the subject of the thread. Asking people who can’t afford to eat, to make sacrifices.

He obviously isn't talking about poor or middle class Pakistanis, it's the elite class and the landowning and political/business mafias that have destroyed Pakistan

 

[King-Misbah]

I will vote Imran Khan, Mamoon, stop me if you can

 

[moghul]

Addition of most educated and patriotic Pakistanis in voters list will boost PTI's vote bank.

 

[Zeshan547]

Addition of most educated and patriotic Pakistanis in voters list will boost PTI's vote bank.

It won't matter one bit in overall results. PTI's fate is sealed no matter what they do now. The biggest Tabdeeli scam the world has ever seen.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

How will this work? Will they just be able to vote for any MNA or MPA? Considering they are not tied to any 'halka' living outside Pak.

Hope they have thought out this move.

 

[Giannis]

How will this work? Will they just be able to vote for any MNA or MPA? Considering they are not tied to any 'halka' living outside Pak.

Hope they have thought out this move.

I'm pretty sure it would work the way it works in most other countries; in America if you're living overseases then your vote goes to the constituency where you have/had your primary residency in the US - so in Pakistan's case, your vote would go to the constituency of the address listed on your NICOP.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It won't matter one bit in overall results. PTI's fate is sealed no matter what they do now. The biggest Tabdeeli scam the world has ever seen.

Central Punjabis would have voted for Sharifs anyway. Even at its peak the PTI couldn't win many seats in central punjab.

PTI's last hope is the Sehat card initiative which will revolutionize the whole health system in Punjab after being a big success in KPK. If they manage to roll it out at the end of 2021 things could change a bit and they might manage to win over Southern Punjab.

For Imran even that alongside KPK might not be enough to have a majority govt in the federal setup. Let's see how things roll out, but indeed things are gloomy for PTI.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I truly hope that they are smart enough to demand either a copy of NICOP or a copy of Pak passports. One or the other.

Many, many dual citizens here in the US have opted to get the NICOP to eliminate the need of a keeping a Pak passport, myself included.

So our Pak passports are either lost or expired decades ago.

If they make it mandatory to provide a copy of Pak passport then many won’t bother.
It’s just way too much hassle to renew or get a new Pak passport.

 

[Bi_Jamalo]

Which constituency in Pakistan will these overseas Pakistanis belong to?

And i highly doubt that their vote will make any difference what so ever on the actual outcome of the elections. Therefore this is just a token gesture by Imran Khan’s government to compensate for all his shortcomings and broken promises.

He came to power on the pretext of bringing Nawaz Sharif and Zardari to justice. Instead he allowed Nawaz go scot free and now Shahbaz Sharif is on his way out as well. Zardari is not affected a tiny bit. Economy is down the drain and Army in full control of most civilian institutions and Media.

These are the things that really mattered to ordinary Pakistanis not a phoney tactic of allowing votes for overseas Pakistanis.

 

[golagunda]

Have mixed feelings about this. If people with dual nationalities are not eligible to hold public office or join the military then it is a huge contradiction to give them voting rights. There is always going to be a conflict of interest with dual nationals.

 

[King-Misbah]

Which constituency in Pakistan will these overseas Pakistanis belong to?

And i highly doubt that their vote will make any difference what so ever on the actual outcome of the elections. Therefore this is just a token gesture by Imran Khan’s government to compensate for all his shortcomings and broken promises.

He came to power on the pretext of bringing Nawaz Sharif and Zardari to justice. Instead he allowed Nawaz go scot free and now Shahbaz Sharif is on his way out as well. Zardari is not affected a tiny bit. Economy is down the drain and Army in full control of most civilian institutions and Media.

These are the things that really mattered to ordinary Pakistanis not a phoney tactic of allowing votes for overseas Pakistanis.

The courts sent the corrupt brothers out. We are in a pendamic and a lot of economies around the world are not doing great. Anything else?

 

[Bewal Express]

Have mixed feelings about this. If people with dual nationalities are not eligible to hold public office or join the military then it is a huge contradiction to give them voting rights. There is always going to be a conflict of interest with dual nationals.

What is the conflict of interest?

 

[Mamoon]

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post.

You of all people questioning someones patriotism.

I have said many times that I am not patriotic. The only reason why I am still in Pakistan is because I have family and assets here. I have no love or emotions for the country.

However, there are people out there who claim that they love Pakistan but in reality, they worship their foreign passports and do not even want to live in the country that they proclaim to love, and now these people will have voting rights. How ridiculous.

 

[Mamoon]

I will vote Imran Khan, Mamoon, stop me if you can

No one can or should stop you. You can vote for him if you wish.

However, in spite of voting for him, you are not willing to live in the country that he is leading because you value your UK passport more than your love for Pakistan and your faith in Imran Khan. What does that say about you?

 

[Bewal Express]

No one can or should stop you. You can vote for him if you wish.

However, in spite of voting for him, you are not willing to live in the country that he is leading because you value your UK passport more than your love for Pakistan and your faith in Imran Khan. What does that say about you?

Why did you run from giving me the solution to the CAD crisis. I am awaiting with anticipation or are you going to run like usual. Come on, grow a pair.

 

[Mamoon]

Addition of most educated and patriotic Pakistanis in voters list will boost PTI's vote bank.

Educated yes but patriotic? You cannot be patriotic when you worship your foreign passport and make a million excuses when you are asked to return to your homeland.

Earning in dollars and pounds and enjoying the privileges of living in the first world outweigh your so-called love and patriotism for Pakistan.

Please don’t take it personally - it is not addressed at you but to all overseas Pakistanis who claim that they are patriotic and love Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

If Mamoon believes IK is finished, then why is he worried about overseas Pakistanis voting in the next GE?

Answers on a postcard please.

The vote of fake Pakistanis living abroad, who worship their foreign passports, is not going to save Imran, the most incompetent PM in Pakistan history.

The point is to highlight the desperation of the PTI government to save their backsides. Giving voting rights to overseas Pakistanis is their final card.

 

[Mamoon]

With the 28bn of the overseas PK, the rp would be at 300. Without overseas PK the country would be a running CAD of close 40bn and no way to fund it. Your illiterate nonsense has been exposed by everyone on here. And all you do is to look for the exit.

Oh no, not this baloney again.

Do you think all educated and qualified Pakistanis should move abroad so that they can remit $£€ home?

Do you think that would help Pakistan?

Make no mistake - overseas Pakistanis do not send money home to boost the forex reserves and to help the economy; they send money home to help their families.

 

[Mamoon]

Son let me educate you. I, could live in a lavish house with all the mod cons and give the illusion of wealth by borrowing from the bank. My neighbours won't know the difference until I can't pay back. Well in a nutshell that is the lie that has been sold to you and this combined with imports meant that back in 2016, they knew where this was heading. So tell me how they were going to pay for the 40bn CAD? I await with anticipation because you are about to solve our economic crisis with your answer

Imran and PTI had 3 years to put the economy of Pakistan on the right track and they have failed with flying colors.

What happened to Imran’s tall claims that he would rather commit suicide than go to IMF? Why is he still alive?

When the economy is doing well, you don’t change your finance minister every 6 months. Moreover, as I stated earlier, the incumbent finance minister, Shaukat Tareen, explicitly stated that the previous PTI finance ministers destroyed the economy.

PTI reduced the CAD but at what cost? At the cost of completely choking the economy, destroying the GDP and therefore destroying the middle and lower-class.

Bringing the GDP down to 1.9% pre-COVID from 5.5-5.8% has destroyed Pakistan and PTI is responsible for that destruction.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Educated yes but patriotic? You cannot be patriotic when you worship your foreign passport and make a million excuses when you are asked to return to your homeland.

Earning in dollars and pounds and enjoying the privileges of living in the first world outweigh your so-called love and patriotism for Pakistan.

Please don’t take it personally - it is not addressed at you but to all overseas Pakistanis who claim that they are patriotic and love Pakistan.

But you are home based and you hate Pakistan, and the people. You have said this on numerous occasions, so it is not even a statement of contention.

So if you don't want overseas Pakistanis to vote, and you despise home based Pakistanis, who would you wish to decide the future of Pakistan? Perhaps Indians could get a vote, would that be more to your liking?

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran and PTI had 3 years to put the economy of Pakistan on the right track and they have failed with flying colors.

What happened to Imran’s tall claims that he would rather commit suicide than go to IMF? Why is he still alive?

When the economy is doing well, you don’t change your finance minister every 6 months. Moreover, as I stated earlier, the incumbent finance minister, Shaukat Tareen, explicitly stated that the previous PTI finance ministers destroyed the economy.

PTI reduced the CAD but at what cost? At the cost of completely choking the economy, destroying the GDP and therefore destroying the middle and lower-class.

Bringing the GDP down to 1.9% pre-COVID from 5.5-5.8% has destroyed Pakistan and PTI is responsible for that destruction.

So let's assume that the PTI didn't reduce CAD, what is your solution for not reducing it? Because as I said earlier, Noora media cells don't educate you, they use idiots to propagate rubbish. So tell me a solution Because you are about to solve our problems.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran and PTI had 3 years to put the economy of Pakistan on the right track and they have failed with flying colors.

What happened to Imran’s tall claims that he would rather commit suicide than go to IMF? Why is he still alive?

When the economy is doing well, you don’t change your finance minister every 6 months. Moreover, as I stated earlier, the incumbent finance minister, Shaukat Tareen, explicitly stated that the previous PTI finance ministers destroyed the economy.

PTI reduced the CAD but at what cost? At the cost of completely choking the economy, destroying the GDP and therefore destroying the middle and lower-class.

Bringing the GDP down to 1.9% pre-COVID from 5.5-5.8% has destroyed Pakistan and PTI is responsible for that destruction.

I have answered your GDP point earlier. But obviously you didn't understand.

 

[Bewal Express]

Oh no, not this baloney again.

Do you think all educated and qualified Pakistanis should move abroad so that they can remit $£€ home?

Do you think that would help Pakistan?

Make no mistake - overseas Pakistanis do not send money home to boost the forex reserves and to help the economy; they send money home to help their families.

Most of the PKs that went abroad weren't educated. The ratio was more like 80-20. So tell me what the rate of the rp if this huge amount wasn't injected into the economy. The likes of you have enjoyed cheap imports because of the billions sent by hard working Pks abroad.

 

[Bewal Express]

The vote of fake Pakistanis living abroad, who worship their foreign passports, is not going to save Imran, the most incompetent PM in Pakistan history.

The point is to highlight the desperation of the PTI government to save their backsides. Giving voting rights to overseas Pakistanis is their final card.

Anothef idiotic post Maybe a fact check will do. The Nooras passed the law in 2017. It wasn't being implemented

 

[Markhor]

This was expected.

PTI’s pathetic performance has ensured that they have pretty much lost all support in Pakistan.

The common man on the streets is cursing the government on a daily basis.

Imran and PTI are aware of the fact that they without overseas votes, they will get smashed in the next election.

The overseas PTI supporters are unaware of the ground realities and do not suffer the consequences of the destructive incompetence of the worst government - and the worst PM - in Pakistan history.

They are deluded and ignorant, and hence they still support Imran and PTI in droves.

This is a desperate move by PTI to save themselves from embarrassment in 2023.

Why did you help give the worst PM of all time a majority in 2018 ? Don't tell me Imran transformed in office, made U-turns etc because you were blasting him well before 2018.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ote-for-in-the-2018-Pakistan-General-Election

Gave both my votes to PTI.

Every vote counts, and I think I would have felt guilty later on, especially if PTI would have failed to win majority.

 

[street cricketer]

Does the term overseas Pakistanis mean the Pakistani equivalent of the NRIs or does it include the people of Pakistani origin born and brought up in other countries as well?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

This is a good news for Pakistanis who live abroad.

Fellas, don't feed the hateful troll. He is kind of guy praising likes of Muslim Killer Modi and that Zionist terrorist who rules Israel. Why do y'all even bother? People like him are angry since the idea of Pakistan was presented to the world by Chaudhry Rahmat Ali (may Allah SWT bless his soul). How can the troll be ever happy for anything positive happening to Muslims or Pakistan?

And for the record, I am against this step because I don't expect Pak administration to execute it correctly. Pak must manage to celebrate at least 1 election inside Pakistan without cheating... then they can start thinking about overseas. Let's see tho... hopefully I'm proven wrong!

 

[golagunda]

What is the conflict of interest?

I am not one to deny the contributions of overseas Pakistani’s (I am one myself). I just find it logically inconsistent that we don’t allow dual-nationals to stand for public office due to potential conflict of interest but are ok with giving them voting rights. It is not a black and white matter and in my view there can be good arguments for both sides.

Let’s take a recent example. The PTI govt came under criticism from certain quarters that they didn’t ban Pakistan-UK travel soon enough because PTI has strong support among British Pakistanis and some recent reports have shown that up to 70% of new covid cases in Pakistan in the second wave had the UK variant. Now I personally don’t agree with these stories and feel it is too oversimplistic an explanation but this is just an example of how conflict of interest can arise. If a party feels they have a significant vote bank among overseas Pakistanis, its policies will certainly be shaped by the wishes of that vote bank to a certain extent (arguably at the cost of Pakistanis who actually live in Pakistan).

 

[Technics 1210]

The vote of fake Pakistanis living abroad, who worship their foreign passports, is not going to save Imran, the most incompetent PM in Pakistan history.

The point is to highlight the desperation of the PTI government to save their backsides. Giving voting rights to overseas Pakistanis is their final card.

You can call them fake etc, but you were born in Pakistan, studied in USA, and enjoyed holidays in the UK and by your own admittance are jealous of overseas Pakistanis.

You are jealous because overseas Pakistanis don't have to return/visit Pakistan before their Visa expires, but rather have a choice on when they do, on a Pakistani passport, then travel the world on their Western passport. Dual nationality - something which your beloved India doesn't offer.

For your information, Pakistan will not be the only country that will allow overseas to vote, other countries do too. It's not a new concept. UK does it all the time, is UK government desperate too?

You are just upset because you feel left out, nothing to do with IK/PTI per se.

 

[Bewal Express]

I am not one to deny the contributions of overseas Pakistani’s (I am one myself). I just find it logically inconsistent that we don’t allow dual-nationals to stand for public office due to potential conflict of interest but are ok with giving them voting rights. It is not a black and white matter and in my view there can be good arguments for both sides.

Let’s take a recent example. The PTI govt came under criticism from certain quarters that they didn’t ban Pakistan-UK travel soon enough because PTI has strong support among British Pakistanis and some recent reports have shown that up to 70% of new covid cases in Pakistan in the second wave had the UK variant. Now I personally don’t agree with these stories and feel it is too oversimplistic an explanation but this is just an example of how conflict of interest can arise. If a party feels they have a significant vote bank among overseas Pakistanis, its policies will certainly be shaped by the wishes of that vote bank to a certain extent (arguably at the cost of Pakistanis who actually live in Pakistan).

There are some interesting points you raise. Firstly, the issue of PKs from the UK going back to PK and helping to spread the virus has some validity but how you can prevent your people going back has lots of other implications. They should have enforced the quarantine much better.
As far as overseas PKs receiving preferential treatment is concerned, well that's simply not true. What is the PKs abroad desire? Acces to embassy services, protection of property rights at home and an airline that isn't rubbish. Which of these are wrong and give them preferential treatment

 

[golagunda]

There are some interesting points you raise. Firstly, the issue of PKs from the UK going back to PK and helping to spread the virus has some validity but how you can prevent your people going back has lots of other implications. They should have enforced the quarantine much better.
As far as overseas PKs receiving preferential treatment is concerned, well that's simply not true. What is the PKs abroad desire? Acces to embassy services, protection of property rights at home and an airline that isn't rubbish. Which of these are wrong and give them preferential treatment

Oh, I never intended to imply that overseas Pakistanis receive preferential treatment. They dont, and all the services you mentioned are legitimate demands that should be fulfilled. Especially for poor wrokers working the in Gulf like IK recently emphasized. However, if giving voting rights to dual-nationals in western countries is the solution is not something I am too sure about. To me the distinction between overseas Pakistanis and dual nationals is important and it eventually leads to a larger debate about whether dual nationality should be an option at all (like in India where you can only keep one citizenship).

 

[Manunited18]

The vote of fake Pakistanis living abroad, who worship their foreign passports, is not going to save Imran, the most incompetent PM in Pakistan history.

The point is to highlight the desperation of the PTI government to save their backsides. Giving voting rights to overseas Pakistanis is their final card.

You have no association with pakistan so stop embarrassing Yourself, your bitterness towards anything/anyone associated with pakistan is mind boggling. You have no right to judge anyone but your miserable self.

 

[Major]

what a joke.
people who wont live here will get a chance to cast a vote and dictate our lives

what an insult

 

[Bewal Express]

what a joke of a country.
people who wont live here will get a chance to cast a vote and dictate our lives

what an insult

But you are happy to have home grown criminals with billions of assets abroad to rule you like serfs. Once a ghulam,always a ghulam

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I have said many times that I am not patriotic. The only reason why I am still in Pakistan is because I have family and assets here. I have no love or emotions for the country.

However, there are people out there who claim that they love Pakistan but in reality, they worship their foreign passports and do not even want to live in the country that they proclaim to love, and now these people will have voting rights. How ridiculous.

If you look at the two scenarios, they are equal but totally opposite. A totally polarized situation.

Just as you cannot leave Pakistan because you have assets and family in Pakistan yet you would DEARLY want to leave, same goes with many dual citizenship holding Pakistanis abroad. They may dearly want to move to Pakistan just as you may want to move OUT, but just like yourself, they may have assets and family/kids in a foreign country which does not make the decision of moving to Pakistan as a walk in the park.
How hard is it to understand?

So many of us do whatever they can, and within their means, to help and support Pakistan in order to express our allegiance.

The problem is: You believe that THE ONLY WAY an expat can prove his patriotism is to live in Pakistan.

Yes, this is one way to prove your allegiance but not the ONLY way.
Otherwise, your favorite India has a bigger issue then.

Million upon millions of Indians permanently live abroad. A large chunk is the IT workers. Their IT workers in the foreign countries remit 10's and billions worth of remittance every year (I think its over $70 Billion a year).
tsk tsk tsk ... all those unpatriotic Indians living outside India. Isn't it?

So far as dual citizens being able to cast vote .... it's not new.
If you are a U.S and Israeli dual citizenship holder, you can vote in Israel and you can vote in USA to the candidate of your choice.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The majority of Overseas Pakistanis are people living in the Gulf Arab states, who do not have citizenship of those countries. Of course they should be allowed to vote.

Their is a huge difference in allowing people of Pakistani descent voting in elections, vs allowing citizens of Pakistan who just happen to be residing abroad from voting.

Other countries also let their citizens who happen to be living abroad vote.

US citizens living abroad enjoy full federal voting rights, regardless of how long they have lived abroad. In addition, 36 states, plus the District of Columbia, allow US citizens who have never resided in the US to vote in the respective state based on where their parent or legal guardian was last registered.

British citizens living abroad may vote in UK general elections and referendums for 15 years following their official date of leaving the UK and thereafter until the electoral register is next updated.[71] However, they may only do so if they were registered to vote in the UK while living there and are registered as an overseas voter. British expatriates who were under 18 at the time of leaving the UK may vote as long as their parent or guardian was registered to vote in the UK.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_expatriates_to_vote_in_their_country_of_origin

 

[PakLFC]

If Pak people from overseas send remittances then we have every right to vote as well. If Pakistan is happy to take our money then i see no problem unless the country they are living in bans this practise.

 

[street cricketer]

The majority of Overseas Pakistanis are people living in the Gulf Arab states, who do not have citizenship of those countries. Of course they should be allowed to vote.

Their is a huge difference in allowing people of Pakistani descent voting in elections, vs allowing citizens of Pakistan who just happen to be residing abroad from voting.

Other countries also let their citizens who happen to be living abroad vote.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_expatriates_to_vote_in_their_country_of_origin

It's why I asked whether the term "overseas Pakistanis" means Pakistani citizens residing outside Pakistan, like the non-resident Indians (NRIs), in which case it makes complete sense to let them vote.

Or does it include say the 2nd generation Brits of Pakistani descent born and brought up in Britain, in which case, it's a weird decision. The reason I'm asking this is because the term overseas Pakistanis is a bit confusing in the case of Pakistan, as it allows dual nationality, whereas in the case of India, the demarcation between an NRI and an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) is clear cut. NRIs mean Indians residing outside India, and they're allowed to vote in the Indian elections, whereas OCIs are first generation or second generation British or American Indians and while they can visit India life long visa free and have some other privileges, they don't have the right to vote or hold public offices in India.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It's why I asked whether the term "overseas Pakistanis" means Pakistani citizens residing outside Pakistan, like the non-resident Indians (NRIs), in which case it makes complete sense to let them vote.

Or does it include say the 2nd generation Brits of Pakistani descent born and brought up in Britain, in which case, it's a weird decision. The reason I'm asking this is because the term overseas Pakistanis is a bit confusing in the case of Pakistan, as it allows dual nationality, whereas in the case of India, the demarcation between an NRI and an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) is clear cut. NRIs mean Indians residing outside India, and they're allowed to vote in the Indian elections, whereas OCIs are first generation or second generation British or American Indians and while they can visit India life long visa free and have some other privileges, they don't have the right to vote or hold public offices in India.

India does not allow dual citizenship at least with USA and Canada, if not with all other countries.

So Indians who choose to take American citizenship must denounce and give up their Indian citizenship - (and many proudly do so) which means they cannot have an Indian passport. And hence they can’t participate in the Indian election.

 

[street cricketer]

India does not allow dual citizenship at least with USA and Canada, if not with all other countries.

So Indians who choose to take American citizenship must denounce and give up their Indian citizenship - (and many proudly do so) which means they cannot have an Indian passport. And hence they can’t participate in the Indian election.

I knew that already though. My question is does the term overseas Pakistanis mean just Pakistanis who are residing outside of Pakistan or even the 2nd and 3rd generation British and Americans of Pakistani origin.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

It's why I asked whether the term "overseas Pakistanis" means Pakistani citizens residing outside Pakistan, like the non-resident Indians (NRIs), in which case it makes complete sense to let them vote.

Or does it include say the 2nd generation Brits of Pakistani descent born and brought up in Britain, in which case, it's a weird decision. The reason I'm asking this is because the term overseas Pakistanis is a bit confusing in the case of Pakistan, as it allows dual nationality, whereas in the case of India, the demarcation between an NRI and an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) is clear cut. NRIs mean Indians residing outside India, and they're allowed to vote in the Indian elections, whereas OCIs are first generation or second generation British or American Indians and while they can visit India life long visa free and have some other privileges, they don't have the right to vote or hold public offices in India.

Overseas Pakistanis refers to all Pakistani people and people of Pakistani descent who live outside of Pakistan.

In Pakistan for dual nationals they can get the National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis. I guess this is like the NRI for Indians.

Then their is the Pakistan Origin Card. This is for people of Pakistani descent, or people who have given up their Pakistani citizenship. You get benefits like visa free entry, right to purchase property, open bank accounts, get a job, etc. This would be similar to the OCI for Indians.

The only people overseas who would have the right to vote are Pakistani citizens.

 

[Mamoon]

If you look at the two scenarios, they are equal but totally opposite. A totally polarized situation.

Just as you cannot leave Pakistan because you have assets and family in Pakistan yet you would DEARLY want to leave, same goes with many dual citizenship holding Pakistanis abroad. They may dearly want to move to Pakistan just as you may want to move OUT, but just like yourself, they may have assets and family/kids in a foreign country which does not make the decision of moving to Pakistan as a walk in the park.
How hard is it to understand?

So many of us do whatever they can, and within their means, to help and support Pakistan in order to express our allegiance.

The problem is: You believe that THE ONLY WAY an expat can prove his patriotism is to live in Pakistan.

Yes, this is one way to prove your allegiance but not the ONLY way.
Otherwise, your favorite India has a bigger issue then.

Million upon millions of Indians permanently live abroad. A large chunk is the IT workers. Their IT workers in the foreign countries remit 10's and billions worth of remittance every year (I think its over $70 Billion a year).
tsk tsk tsk ... all those unpatriotic Indians living outside India. Isn't it?

So far as dual citizens being able to cast vote .... it's not new.
If you are a U.S and Israeli dual citizenship holder, you can vote in Israel and you can vote in USA to the candidate of your choice.

It is easy to show love and patriotism for Pakistan and support Imran/PTI when you are not the one suffering from their incompetence and you are not the one struggling to find sugar in Ramzaan.

The Overseas Pakistanis do not suffer the consequences and thus they should not have voting rights.

Nothing comes easier than armchair patriotism and armchair support. When you ask these overseas Pakistanis do something practical, they make millions of excuses.

For many years, they presented the lame excuse that we cannot return to Pakistan because the government is corrupt. However, they have cowered from returning to Pakistan even after the so-called honest leader Imran Khan took the reigns.

Take a look at this American Pakistani doctor who proudly stood in his scrubs and claimed, on the day Imran became the PM, that he is now ready to return and serve Pakistan.



Apparently, he got thrashed by his wife and kids who knocked him back to his senses. He is still working in the U.S. and is getting trolled on a daily basis.

The Indians living permanently abroad are not patriots either, and the GOI is perspective enough to realize this which is why it does not give dual citizenship to Indians living permanently abroad and thus rightfully do not have voting rights. You cannot sail in two ships at once - you are either an Indian living in India or you are a foreigner living abroad with Indian background.

On the other hand, by allowing dual citizenship, The GOP has foolishly allowed overseas Pakistanis the same status and privileges as Pakistanis living in Pakistan and now the PTI government has enfranchised them as well, which is complete nonsense.

If the GOP makes these “patriotic” overseas Pakistanis choose between Pakistani citizenship and American/Canadian/UK citizenship, these “patriots” will not think twice before giving preference to their American/Canadian/UK citizenship. Should such people have voting rights in Pakistan? Certainly not.

 

[Mamoon]

You have no association with pakistan so stop embarrassing Yourself, your bitterness towards anything/anyone associated with pakistan is mind boggling. You have no right to judge anyone but your miserable self.

My parents live in Pakistan and my father is a retired civil servant with 32 years of service. My grandfather was an engineer who was part of the team that constructed the Tarbela dam. My great grandfather was part of the British India bureaucracy and served in key posts all over Pakistan and also Delhi before independence.

I was born in Pakistan, and I received my formative education in Pakistan, I work in Pakistan, I got married to a Pakistani girl, my children will grow up in Pakistan and I will die in Pakistan. I do not have any foreign passport and most of assets, properties, wealth etc. is in Pakistan.

I have about 1000% greater association with Pakistan than these so-called patriotic overseas Pakistanis who worship their foreign passports and whose future generations will have no links with Pakistan and will probably not even bother to visit the country of their forefathers. This is the extent of their love and patriotism, and their association with Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

You can call them fake etc, but you were born in Pakistan, studied in USA, and enjoyed holidays in the UK and by your own admittance are jealous of overseas Pakistanis.

You are jealous because overseas Pakistanis don't have to return/visit Pakistan before their Visa expires, but rather have a choice on when they do, on a Pakistani passport, then travel the world on their Western passport. Dual nationality - something which your beloved India doesn't offer.

For your information, Pakistan will not be the only country that will allow overseas to vote, other countries do too. It's not a new concept. UK does it all the time, is UK government desperate too?

You are just upset because you feel left out, nothing to do with IK/PTI per se.

There are two types of overseas Pakistanis. Type 1: the ones who are open about the fact that they do not care about Pakistan, they do not take interest in Pakistan politics and they haven’t even visited in the country in decades. These overseas Pakistanis have fully embraced their adopted country and do not have any underlying insecurities that forces them to overdo their patriotism.

Then there is the type 2 overseas Pakistanis, most of whom can be found in the UK, who moved to the British Isles to work in mills and factories in the West Midlands in the 50s and 60s and sang God Save the Queen to get the UK passport after Quaid-e-Azam liberated them from the same Queen.

These people suffer from acute identity crisis. They claim that they are true patriots and loyal to Pakistan and criticize Pakistanis living in Pakistan for lacking patriotism, but their patriotism is limited to dancing in cricket matches because they cannot walk the talk and do something practical.

Their love and loyalty for their UK passports trumps their so-called love and loyalty for Pakistan.

The GOP needs to call their bluff and do what the GOI has done - disband dual citizenship and make these overseas Pakistanis choose between the Pakistani passport and the U.S./Canada/UK passports.

Almost all of them, including you, will not think twice before discarding your Pakistani passport, which shows your patriotism and love for Pakistan. Patriotism comes easy when your patriotism is not tested.

 

[Mamoon]

Why did you help give the worst PM of all time a majority in 2018 ? Don't tell me Imran transformed in office, made U-turns etc because you were blasting him well before 2018.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ote-for-in-the-2018-Pakistan-General-Election

I was pressurized by my family who were hardcore Youth until they finally saw the light a couple of years ago and realized that Imran can do nothing other than offers words and sell dreams that he does not have the capacity to realize.

They have realized that he is incompetent and has no vision and no one in my family is going to vote for PTI in the next election.

The PTI government has been a total disaster and all sensible Pakistanis who voted for him are regretful and sorry.

 

[Mamoon]

I have answered your GDP point earlier. But obviously you didn't understand.

There is nothing to understand other than the fact that PTI crippled the economy and destroyed the middle and lower-class by reducing the GDP to 1.9%.

 

[Mamoon]

Most of the PKs that went abroad weren't educated. The ratio was more like 80-20. So tell me what the rate of the rp if this huge amount wasn't injected into the economy. The likes of you have enjoyed cheap imports because of the billions sent by hard working Pks abroad.

They were not smart enough to find their way in Pakistan. The system defeated them and they had to move to West Midlands in the 50s and 60s to find labor in mills and factories. The educated and smart Pakistanis mostly moved to the UK in the 80s and 90s and a lot of them were doctors.

The factory workers hustled and their children today are well-off. They are educated and they run successful businesses, and they do not send money to Pakistan to boost the forex; they send money to Pakistan to help their families back home, and these people do not deserve to be enfranchised.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is nothing to understand other than the fact that PTI crippled the economy and destroyed the middle and lower-class by reducing the GDP to 1.9%.

For you as an illiterate blow hard, probably not. So tell me what the Nooras did that helped the economy so much. I am all ears. You are now cornered because i was waiting for this from you all the time. And i need some real economic examples not your usual, make a glib statement and then run.

Ps
Phone Munshi and ask for his secret- lol

 

[Mamoon]

But you are home based and you hate Pakistan, and the people. You have said this on numerous occasions, so it is not even a statement of contention.

So if you don't want overseas Pakistanis to vote, and you despise home based Pakistanis, who would you wish to decide the future of Pakistan? Perhaps Indians could get a vote, would that be more to your liking?

Whether you love or hate Pakistan, when you live in Pakistan, you suffer the consequence of good and bad governance. Hence, you have the right to vote and it is your vote that counts.

Within the vote bank of Pakistan, it is the middle and lower-class whose votes hold the most value, because they are the ones who suffer the most.

The future of Pakistan belongs to the Pakistanis living in Pakistan, i.e. those who do not carry foreign passports. When things go south, these overseas Pakistanis can pack their bugs and go back to their adopted countries. Hence, they should not have voting rights.

 

[Technics 1210]

There are two types of overseas Pakistanis. Type 1: the ones who are open about the fact that they do not care about Pakistan, they do not take interest in Pakistan politics and they haven’t even visited in the country in decades. These overseas Pakistanis have fully embraced their adopted country and do not have any underlying insecurities that forces them to overdo their patriotism.

Then there is the type 2 overseas Pakistanis, most of whom can be found in the UK, who moved to the British Isles to work in mills and factories in the West Midlands in the 50s and 60s and sang God Save the Queen to get the UK passport after Quaid-e-Azam liberated them from the same Queen.

These people suffer from acute identity crisis. They claim that they are true patriots and loyal to Pakistan and criticize Pakistanis living in Pakistan for lacking patriotism, but their patriotism is limited to dancing in cricket matches because they cannot walk the talk and do something practical.

Their love and loyalty for their UK passports trumps their so-called love and loyalty for Pakistan.

The GOP needs to call their bluff and do what the GOI has done - disband dual citizenship and make these overseas Pakistanis choose between the Pakistani passport and the U.S./Canada/UK passports.

Almost all of them, including you, will not think twice before discarding your Pakistani passport, which shows your patriotism and love for Pakistan. Patriotism comes easy when your patriotism is not tested.

There are 2 more types, one of which include those who were born overseas, but hey, no one made you an authority on overseas Pakistani or patriotism.

Just because you are not patriotic doesn’t mean others are not. You could sell your assets and buy yourself a season ticket at Arsenal if you really meant what you say.

You are the typical indigenous Pakistani though, a wannabe gora, sell out, sadly, you love your assets more, (a true test of your love for all that is West), so you are better off investing in fair and lovely.

By the way, singing God save the Queen, is a new thing when taking an oath in the UK, didn’t exist pre 2000 for new UK citizens. At least get your facts straight.

You will forever by a pseudo-gooner, a glory hunter, with no future. Love the fact despite your education, despite IK sacking those you know, for corruption, you are stuck in a rot, both physically, and mentally.

 

[Technics 1210]

I was pressurized by my family who were hardcore Youth until they finally saw the light a couple of years ago and realized that Imran can do nothing other than offers words and sell dreams that he does not have the capacity to realize.

They have realized that he is incompetent and has no vision and no one in my family is going to vote for PTI in the next election.

The PTI government has been a total disaster and all sensible Pakistanis who voted for him are regretful and sorry.

Pressurised. So you can’t even think for yourself, and had to lie to your family. No wonder you post on PP with an alter-ego, you’re in reality a softy push over fraud.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Whether you love or hate Pakistan, when you live in Pakistan, you suffer the consequence of good and bad governance. Hence, you have the right to vote and it is your vote that counts.

Within the vote bank of Pakistan, it is the middle and lower-class whose votes hold the most value, because they are the ones who suffer the most.

The future of Pakistan belongs to the Pakistanis living in Pakistan, i.e. those who do not carry foreign passports. When things go south, these overseas Pakistanis can pack their bugs and go back to their adopted countries. Hence, they should not have voting rights.

I have always argued that overseas Pakistanis should not have a right to vote in Pakistani elections, so there is no disagreement there. I was simply pointing out that your views about overseas Pakistanis hold little credence on this topic since you hate home based Pakistanis even more, by your own admission. [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] is in the same boat. He is whinging about overseas Pakistanis voting while lamenting he isn't qualified to get the hell out of Pk himself.

Such ingrates deserve misery and humiliation. I have no sympathy, and in truth they don't need it. Most of them are better off than 90% of the population but still spend all their time griping.

 

[MenInG]

Opposition parties on Sunday raised several objections on the government’s move to give voting rights to the overseas Pakistanis through the promulgation of an ordinance, saying the incumbent regime needs to explain before the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) can go ahead. Two major opposition parties – Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) – have strongly objected to the stance and termed it a political point scoring stint.

Prime Minister Imran Khan has stressed the need for electoral reforms; he championed the use of electronic voting machines (EVMs) and President Dr Arif Alvi promulgated an ordinance on May 8, which aims to pave the way for the use of the voting machines and giving overseas Pakistani a right to vote in future elections. Former governor of Sindh, Mohammad Zubair, said that the government has issued the ordinance clearly showing that they want the overseas Pakistanis to become part of the electoral process, adding that “we will oppose it tooth and nail on several grounds.”

ECP conveys concerns over EVMs to govt

“What is the mechanism to ensure the integrity of the vote,” the ex-governor, who is a spokesperson of PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif and his daughter, Maryam Nawaz, asked. “How will political parties reach out to overseas Pakistanis,” Zubair questioned, saying that Pakistanis are spread around the globe and “do all major parties have a reach to them.” Zubair asked how will the presiding officers and polling agents be appointed and will the voting be constituencywise, adding that the government needs to first explain and then the ECP has to give its consent whether it can manage the elections.

Even in the US, people are only allowed to vote from overseas in presidential elections and not for each Senate or House seat. To the government’s move of giving overseas Pakistanis a right to vote through an ordinance, which will lapse after 120 days, PPP’s Raza Rabbani said that it was nothing but “political point scoring”. On May 8, President Alvi promulgated an ordinance to grant voting right to the overseas Pakistanis and allow the use of electronic voting machine in general elections.

Through Second Election (Amendment) Ordinance, the president amended the sections 94 (1) and 103 of the Election Act 2017. According to the amended section 103, the election commission would be responsible for the procurement of electronic voting machines for use in general elections. The federal cabinet had recently approved two ordinances that would enable the polls supervisory body to introduce EVMs in general elections and also take measures to allow the overseas Pakistanis to cast their votes. No response was received from the members of the ruling party when they were approached for comment on the matter.

Express Tribune

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It is easy to show love and patriotism for Pakistan and support Imran/PTI when you are not the one suffering from their incompetence and you are not the one struggling to find sugar in Ramzaan.

The Overseas Pakistanis do not suffer the consequences and thus they should not have voting rights.

Nothing comes easier than armchair patriotism and armchair support. When you ask these overseas Pakistanis do something practical, they make millions of excuses.

So if overseas Pakistanis don't vote, it will result in the availability of sugar during Ramzan?
You talk about inflation and suffering of general public, and directly seem to be holding PTI accountable for it.
Fair enough.
But if you are able to scratch the surface, you would perhaps want to know how all previous govts mange to pile up $105 BILLION loan, and where did all that money go? (Yes, that's a Billion with a B). Whose gonna pay off this debt now? PTI? You?

Corruption has been rampant from head to toe in Pakistan all along. And now when the temporary bandages are falling off the deep wound, we blame PTI?
Pakistani nation has been continuously ranked very high on the scale of corruption over the last 40 years. Is it the PTI's fault?
We wrote our destiny. No point in blaming others.


In my opinion, PTI is far from perfect. However, it's perhaps the least corrupt parties. Imran Khan is trying to walk through the mud without getting his feet dirty.

Many of his party leadership members are the same old corrupt scumbags that have been sucking the blood for decades, but what can you do? These scumbags have the vote bank. Many of our corrupt people love to vote for corrupt leaders. And this is the core of Pakistani politics for you.

If a genuine and educated person runs in the election against a seasoned and corrupt politician, he will probably get a few hundred votes.
The corruption has been spread like blood cancer in the body of Pakistani nation.
Where should IK bring "doodh k dullhay huvay Farishtay" from this nation?

But anyway,
If your reason to leave Pakistan is PTI then I think you may be in luck.
In my opinion, Bilawal Bhutto is your next PM. So you got only a couple of years left before Pak will turn into a heaven for you. Yeah, and sugar will be able in the next Ramzan.

And finally to end this point.
Aren't you an armchair "unpatriot"? You just talk and talk about leaving Pakistan but practically you can't do p00p about it.

When we ask you to leave Pakistan, you keep coming up with the lame excuses,,, "ohhh I have family and assets in Pak so I can't leave". no?

For many years, they presented the lame excuse that we cannot return to Pakistan because the government is corrupt. However, they have cowered from returning to Pakistan even after the so-called honest leader Imran Khan took the reigns.

Take a look at this American Pakistani doctor who proudly stood in his scrubs and claimed, on the day Imran became the PM, that he is now ready to return and serve Pakistan.

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Apparently, he got thrashed by his wife and kids who knocked him back to his senses. He is still working in the U.S. and is getting trolled on a daily basis.

Isn't this EXACTLY what I said?
Many overseas Pakistanis genuinely want to come to Pakistan but they can't due to families (and assets), just as you can't move out of Pakistan due to family and assets. Thanks for proving my point.

The Indians living permanently abroad are not patriots either, and the GOI is perspective enough to realize this which is why it does not give dual citizenship to Indians living permanently abroad and thus rightfully do not have voting rights. You cannot sail in two ships at once - you are either an Indian living in India or you are a foreigner living abroad with Indian background.

Indians living abroad are not patriots, is your opinion that you are entitled to. However, many won't agree with you.

On the other hand, by allowing dual citizenship, The GOP has foolishly allowed overseas Pakistanis the same status and privileges as Pakistanis living in Pakistan and now the PTI government has enfranchised them as well, which is complete nonsense.

If the GOP makes these “patriotic” overseas Pakistanis choose between Pakistani citizenship and American/Canadian/UK citizenship, these “patriots” will not think twice before giving preference to their American/Canadian/UK citizenship. Should such people have voting rights in Pakistan? Certainly not.

So the problem is GOP?
First it was PTI, and now GOP.
Pointing figures to others for our shortcomings? Is that even surprising?

The actual and true problem is the rampant corruption in our nation. And this has been going on for decades.
IK can only fight against this like a bird in a thunderstorm.

Many overseas Pakistanis support IK for this very reason, otherwise, what happens in Pakistani politics should be the least worry of dual citizenship holders.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

IMO, if IK can reduce JUST 5% of corruption in it's 5 years tenure, then it will a great success.
This how big the mountain of troubles is in Pakistan.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This idea goes against the very grain of democracy. People who do not live in a specific country have no right to decide on its political future.

If this is an ordinance than it means it will become null and void after a certain period and will have to pass through parliament, which I hope to God it doesn't.

 

[the Great Khan]

This idea goes against the very grain of democracy. People who do not live in a specific country have no right to decide on its political future.

If this is an ordinance than it means it will become null and void after a certain period and will have to pass through parliament, which I hope to God it doesn't.

Happens in tons of other countries including the United states, and Turkey. It is not new. Democracies allow their citizens the ability to vote no matter where they are. Also considering remittances are such a big part of our economy at the moment I think it is a wise thing to do. How much will things help a incumbent govt is still unknown. I suspect the PTI will get a large amount of these votes although there are plenty of patwaris out there too.

 

[ahmedzee]

All citizens have the right to vote. You have NICOP or Identification card, you have the right to vote. Anyone who is saying that Overseas Pakistanis don't deserve that are just jealous.

 

[Mamoon]

I repeat - you cannot have voting rights in Pakistan when you are a dual passport holder. Your foreign passport is your safety blanket - your insurance policy.

If things go south, you will have an escape route. You will be able to run to your adopted homeland.

The overseas Pakistanis who want to be enfranchised will happily throw their Pakistani passports in the trash if they are asked to choose between the Pakistani passport and their U.S./UK/Canada/Australia/EU passport that they worship.

Such fake patriots should not have voting rights. Imran and PTI are desperate because they know they are on the brink of humiliation.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I repeat - you cannot have voting rights in Pakistan when you are a dual passport holder. Your foreign passport is your safety blanket - your insurance policy.

If things go south, you will have an escape route. You will be able to run to your adopted homeland.

The overseas Pakistanis who want to be enfranchised will happily throw their Pakistani passports in the trash if they are asked to choose between the Pakistani passport and their U.S./UK/Canada/Australia/EU passport that they worship.

Such fake patriots should not have voting rights. Imran and PTI are desperate because they know they are on the brink of humiliation.

I agree that dual passport holders should not have any voting rights. However, folks living in the Middle East or those in the west that don't have a foreign passport should be totally entitled to vote.

 

[KingKhanWC]

My parents live in Pakistan and my father is a retired civil servant with 32 years of service. My grandfather was an engineer who was part of the team that constructed the Tarbela dam. My great grandfather was part of the British India bureaucracy and served in key posts all over Pakistan and also Delhi before independence.

I was born in Pakistan, and I received my formative education in Pakistan, I work in Pakistan, I got married to a Pakistani girl, my children will grow up in Pakistan and I will die in Pakistan. I do not have any foreign passport and most of assets, properties, wealth etc. is in Pakistan.

I have about 1000% greater association with Pakistan than these so-called patriotic overseas Pakistanis who worship their foreign passports and whose future generations will have no links with Pakistan and will probably not even bother to visit the country of their forefathers. This is the extent of their love and patriotism, and their association with Pakistan.

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Best laugh ive had in a while.

By your own admission you do not like Pakistan. You even go further by supporting foriegn forces bombing Pakistan ie when India invaded our air space. This would be seen as treason.

Many overseas Pakistanis have more assets than you could ever imagine. They also made their money from hard work , not from corruption. Many also have dual nationality. They have every right to vote, choosing the government as it will directly impact them, their families or their assets.

You have wrote no sensible argument here.

 

[Mamoon]

Happens in tons of other countries including the United states, and Turkey. It is not new. Democracies allow their citizens the ability to vote no matter where they are. Also considering remittances are such a big part of our economy at the moment I think it is a wise thing to do. How much will things help a incumbent govt is still unknown. I suspect the PTI will get a large amount of these votes although there are plenty of patwaris out there too.

U.S. citizens living abroad are taxed by the U.S. government so they deserve to have voting rights. Turkey is another joker country with severe identity crisis like Pakistan. They do not deserve to be mentioned or used as a yardstick.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree that dual passport holders should not have any voting rights. However, folks living in the Middle East or those in the west that don't have a foreign passport should be totally entitled to vote.

Why? They are citizens too.