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Now overseas Pakistanis will be able to vote in Pakistan elections too!

I agree that dual passport holders should not have any voting rights. However, folks living in the Middle East or those in the west that don't have a foreign passport should be totally entitled to vote.

I agree - if you do not have a foreign passport, you should be eligible to vote.

Pakistanis living in the Middle-East have no security because they can be legally deported any time. It is perfectly reasonable to enfranchise them.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

If the Government of Pakistan follows India’s lead and demands that you choose between the Pakistani passport and the UK passport, what will your decision be? Of course, you will choose the UK passport and give up the Pakistani passport.

You can lie and say that you will do otherwise but the reality is that you won’t. If you valued your Pakistani passport more, you would not be living in the UK in the first place.

So people like you do not deserve to have voting rights in Pakistan. You cannot be considered and viewed as citizens of Pakistan and thus do not deserve to be enfranchised.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

If the Government of Pakistan follows India’s lead and demands that you choose between the Pakistani passport and the UK passport, what will your decision be? Of course, you will choose the UK passport and give up the Pakistani passport.

You can lie and say that you will do otherwise but the reality is that you won’t. If you valued your Pakistani passport more, you would not be living in the UK in the first place.

So people like you do not deserve to have voting rights in Pakistan. You cannot be considered and viewed as citizens of Pakistan and thus do not deserve to be enfranchised.

WE are no here to divert to your fantasy. Lets stick to reality.

Please explain how you can type you have 1000% more assocation when you cheerlead Indian jets bombing Pakistan lands or schools?
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

If the Government of Pakistan follows India’s lead and demands that you choose between the Pakistani passport and the UK passport, what will your decision be? Of course, you will choose the UK passport and give up the Pakistani passport.

You can lie and say that you will do otherwise but the reality is that you won’t. If you valued your Pakistani passport more, you would not be living in the UK in the first place.

So people like you do not deserve to have voting rights in Pakistan. You cannot be considered and viewed as citizens of Pakistan and thus do not deserve to be enfranchised.

There you go. It was only a matter of time before you made the Indian comparison.

If Pakistan follows India then all good? No thank you.

Pakistan is following USA and UK, both countries allow dual nationality. But no, Pakistan should follow India, a country that doesn't recognise dual nationality.

Choosing nationality is liking choosing between 1 parent.

Nothing to see here folks, just a jealous disgruntled human being.
 
I repeat - you cannot have voting rights in Pakistan when you are a dual passport holder. Your foreign passport is your safety blanket - your insurance policy.

If things go south, you will have an escape route. You will be able to run to your adopted homeland.

The overseas Pakistanis who want to be enfranchised will happily throw their Pakistani passports in the trash if they are asked to choose between the Pakistani passport and their U.S./UK/Canada/Australia/EU passport that they worship.

I agree that dual passport holders should not have any voting rights. However, folks living in the Middle East or those in the west that don't have a foreign passport should be totally entitled to vote.

Overseas Pakistanis are not the only ones with dual passports. Their are Pakistanis living in Pakistan, who also have foreign passports. Plenty of my relatives in Pakistan have Canadian, US, British passports.

Should they also be disenfranchised? If yes, then fine dont let dual citizens who live abroad vote. However you need to do it across the board otherwise its blatant discrimination.
 
U.S. citizens living abroad are taxed by the U.S. government so they deserve to have voting rights. Turkey is another joker country with severe identity crisis like Pakistan. They do not deserve to be mentioned or used as a yardstick.

How about Israel? It allows dual citizenship and dual voting rights with USA. Are they both joker countries too?
 
How about Israel? It allows dual citizenship and dual voting rights with USA. Are they both joker countries too?

Israel is a joke because ANY Jew can move to even occupied land because of his/her faith but this chap will still find a way to defend this nonsense.
 
How will this work? Will they just be able to vote for any MNA or MPA? Considering they are not tied to any 'halka' living outside Pak.

Hope they have thought out this move.

My "home address" in Pakistan is at Lahore , so will vote for PTI's candidate from that "halka"
 
Happens in tons of other countries including the United states, and Turkey. It is not new. Democracies allow their citizens the ability to vote no matter where they are. Also considering remittances are such a big part of our economy at the moment I think it is a wise thing to do. How much will things help a incumbent govt is still unknown. I suspect the PTI will get a large amount of these votes although there are plenty of patwaris out there too.

I don't consider people who don't live in this country as its citizens. Neither do most other people. And just from an ideological stand-point, people who left this country for seemingly 'greener pastures' should have no right to vote on its political future.
 
WE are no here to divert to your fantasy. Lets stick to reality.

Please explain how you can type you have 1000% more assocation when you cheerlead Indian jets bombing Pakistan lands or schools?

Lol he asked you a perfectly valid question that you dodged because we all know what your answer will be.
 
Lol he asked you a perfectly valid question that you dodged because we all know what your answer will be.

I give the same respect I recieve. When he failed to answer mine, which is on topic but instead asked me a question which is not reality of today, he or you wont get an answer.

I don't consider people who don't live in this country as its citizens. Neither do most other people. And just from an ideological stand-point, people who left this country for seemingly 'greener pastures' should have no right to vote on its political future.

Yes they do as the governments of Pakistan does and has done for a long time. It might be a shock to you but many nations have dual nationality, they are all wrong according to you. lol
 
I give the same respect I recieve. When he failed to answer mine, which is on topic but instead asked me a question which is not reality of today, he or you wont get an answer.



Yes they do as the governments of Pakistan does and has done for a long time. It might be a shock to you but many nations have dual nationality, they are all wrong according to you. lol

The right to vote is a privilege above all else. People who don't even have enough faith in this country to stay here should not be accorded the right to vote here. That's just basic logic.
 
The right to vote is a privilege above all else. People who don't even have enough faith in this country to stay here should not be accorded the right to vote here. That's just basic logic.

Its just a basic right for all citizens. Many live in both nations, have assets, family and a long history.

You are entitled to your opinion, the reality is Pak and many nations have dual citizenship, meaning those people have the right to live and vote in both lands. Go lobby those governments perhaps they will listen to you.
 
Its just a basic right for all citizens. Many live in both nations, have assets, family and a long history.

You are entitled to your opinion, the reality is Pak and many nations have dual citizenship, meaning those people have the right to live and vote in both lands. Go lobby those governments perhaps they will listen to you.

There are alot things that exist that are not right. And allowing dual-nationals to vote, in any country is one of those things.

As far as this is concerned, we'll see what happens. Hopefully it will never get passed through parliament.
 
Overseas Pakistanis are not the only ones with dual passports. Their are Pakistanis living in Pakistan, who also have foreign passports. Plenty of my relatives in Pakistan have Canadian, US, British passports.

Should they also be disenfranchised? If yes, then fine dont let dual citizens who live abroad vote. However you need to do it across the board otherwise its blatant discrimination.

Yes, it's fair that the rule should apply to anyone that is hedging their bets about the future of the country, there should always be an element of jeopardy for voters when it comes to elections. People with limited skin in the game should not be allowed to have a voice in determining a country's political direction, doubly so if those people don't care to live in the country.
 
WE are no here to divert to your fantasy. Lets stick to reality.

Here's the reality: between Boris Johnson and Imran Khan, you would choose Boris Johnson in a heartbeat (B for Boris, B for Benefits).

And as for bombings, between the country getting droned and the one doing the droning, you would choose the latter.

British Pakistanis gonna British Pakistanis.
 
Very strange concept this dual citizenship.
even more strange is the dual citizen demanding voting rights
 
Here's the reality: between Boris Johnson and Imran Khan, you would choose Boris Johnson in a heartbeat (B for Boris, B for Benefits).

And as for bombings, between the country getting droned and the one doing the droning, you would choose the latter.

British Pakistanis gonna British Pakistanis.

What a dumb remark. Boris is the PM of the country he is living in, he could hardly vote for Imran now could he? If Imran was standing for election in the UK could well be that many people would vote for him. But it's such a crazy tangent from the topic not even sure it deserves a place in the thread.
 
What a dumb remark. Boris is the PM of the country he is living in, he could hardly vote for Imran now could he? If Imran was standing for election in the UK could well be that many people would vote for him. But it's such a crazy tangent from the topic not even sure it deserves a place in the thread.

Who he votes for is secondary. Between Boris Johnson's world and Imran Khan's world, he has chosen that BJ will be his utopia, so to now cry that he won't have an opportunity to be able to vote for Imran Khan and that Pakistanis residing in Pakistan support 'bombings' is a laugh.

In his ideal world, he wouldn't even have a democracy but then we digress.
 
There’s a lot of jealousy in this thread from the usual suspects. Same suspects would take up a foreign passport in a jiffy. The issue it seems is not dual nationality, but rather which foreign passport. Same lot wouldn’t care about dual national combo of say, Egypt/Pakistan (hypothetical).
 
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Very strange concept this dual citizenship.
even more strange is the dual citizen demanding voting rights

Not strange at all. Just like having 2 parents and each parent from a different country or even different race.
 
Here's the reality: between Boris Johnson and Imran Khan, you would choose Boris Johnson in a heartbeat (B for Boris, B for Benefits).

And as for bombings, between the country getting droned and the one doing the droning, you would choose the latter.

British Pakistanis gonna British Pakistanis.

Here’s the reality : many dual nationals are born in the foreign country offering dual citizenship.

Were you asked where you wanted to be born? Please tell.
 
Overseas Pakistanis should certainly get to vote but giving voting rights to dual nationals is not logically consistent with our other laws. A dual national cannot run for public office in Pakistan or join the military due to potential conflict of interest. It makes no sense that we don’t allow them to run for office or join the military but give them the right to vote into office the civilian (and by extension military) leadership. Either give them all the rights of a Pakistani citizen or treat them as foreign nationals. These neither here nor there laws are completely contradictory.
 
Here’s the reality : many dual nationals are born in the foreign country offering dual citizenship.

Were you asked where you wanted to be born? Please tell.

Doesn't matter what the circumstances were when you were born, 30-40 years after realizing the fact, there is a government mechanism to shed the British citizenship and retain only the Pakistani one as a cursory Google search shows.

I wonder how many dual nationals have even considered the option.
 
Who he votes for is secondary. Between Boris Johnson's world and Imran Khan's world, he has chosen that BJ will be his utopia, so to now cry that he won't have an opportunity to be able to vote for Imran Khan and that Pakistanis residing in Pakistan support 'bombings' is a laugh.

In his ideal world, he wouldn't even have a democracy but then we digress.

You have already digressed with cheap shots about B for benefits and British Pakistanis. Why don't you aim such barbs at Anglo Saxon Brits on benefits? Are they higher on your caste scale?
 
How about Israel? It allows dual citizenship and dual voting rights with USA. Are they both joker countries too?

Israel is USA’s pet state, so it is not the best example.

Besides, giving examples of other countries does not mean anything. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Dual passports holders should not have voting rights. You cannot be loyal to two countries at one point.

99% of the overseas Pakistanis who want voting rights, if asked to choose, will pick their foreign passports over their Pakistanis ones. Should such people have voting rights? Certainly not.
 
Overseas Pakistanis are not the only ones with dual passports. Their are Pakistanis living in Pakistan, who also have foreign passports. Plenty of my relatives in Pakistan have Canadian, US, British passports.

Should they also be disenfranchised? If yes, then fine dont let dual citizens who live abroad vote. However you need to do it across the board otherwise its blatant discrimination.

Yes. Pakistanis living in Pakistan with foreign passports should not have voting rights.

A foreign passport is a safety blanket; an insurance policy. When things go south, you can pack your bags and run to your other country.

Dual passports holders, whether living in Pakistan or abroad, should not have voting rights and they should not be allowed to hold public office.
 
Doesn't matter what the circumstances were when you were born, 30-40 years after realizing the fact, there is a government mechanism to shed the British citizenship and retain only the Pakistani one as a cursory Google search shows.

I wonder how many dual nationals have even considered the option.

Why shed a citizenship? Is it because OCIs feel left out?
 
Yes. Pakistanis living in Pakistan with foreign passports should not have voting rights.

A foreign passport is a safety blanket; an insurance policy. When things go south, you can pack your bags and run to your other country.

Dual passports holders, whether living in Pakistan or abroad, should not have voting rights and they should not be allowed to hold public office.

I have both passports, I will vote. Great initiative from government as we run, own property, commercially invest in and love Pakistan ����. Patwaris will not like it as they have a tiny vote bank.
 
Why don't you aim such barbs at Anglo Saxon Brits on benefits? Are they higher on your caste scale?

Because they are sons and daughters of the soil. Several BritPaks on the other hand moved to said soil after abandoning home turf, and seemingly leech off benefits while grumbling on about Anglo-Saxon activity in Muslim lands like a broken record.

And in this case - whining that they should be allowed to vote in the land they left and haven't chose to return to. Like Mamoon said, if push came to shove and one of the two passports on dual nationals had to be consigned to the trash can, it would unfortunately be the one with the bottle green sleeve.

Put your money and vote where your mouth is if you don't want to be an empty vessel.
 
dont agree with non-residents voting in elections, and even if anyone supports it i dont see how you can equate the vote of a non-resident to a resident. seems grossly unfair to affect an election which has very little impact on your own life.
 
Because they are sons and daughters of the soil. Several BritPaks on the other hand moved to said soil after abandoning home turf, and seemingly leech off benefits while grumbling on about Anglo-Saxon activity in Muslim lands like a broken record.

And in this case - whining that they should be allowed to vote in the land they left and haven't chose to return to. Like Mamoon said, if push came to shove and one of the two passports on dual nationals had to be consigned to the trash can, it would unfortunately be the one with the bottle green sleeve.

Put your money and vote where your mouth is if you don't want to be an empty vessel.

Please stop.

Pakistanis ‘choosing’ to move to a foreign land because they do not claim Pakistan is ‘incredible’, or claim Pakistan is the fastest growing economy, or claim Pakistan provides ample opportunity, equality, and even democracy.

Your words are more suited to Indians who decide to leave despite claiming their motherland is the best thing since sliced bread.
 
Because they are sons and daughters of the soil. Several BritPaks on the other hand moved to said soil after abandoning home turf, and seemingly leech off benefits while grumbling on about Anglo-Saxon activity in Muslim lands like a broken record.

And in this case - whining that they should be allowed to vote in the land they left and haven't chose to return to. Like Mamoon said, if push came to shove and one of the two passports on dual nationals had to be consigned to the trash can, it would unfortunately be the one with the bottle green sleeve.

Put your money and vote where your mouth is if you don't want to be an empty vessel.

You are making a lot of assumptions here. How do you know that the BritPaks you are talking about moved to English soil? Many of them may in fact be as much born to the soil as the Anglo Saxons you defer to. You don't actually know the situation of anyone on here so unrelated stabs in the dark about benefits only reveal your own prejudice. It's you who lives in the third world, and it's your country which has a fanatical enmity with Pakistan. Why would anyone take advice from someone like you on the elections in Pakistan?
 
Here's the reality: between Boris Johnson and Imran Khan, you would choose Boris Johnson in a heartbeat (B for Boris, B for Benefits).

And as for bombings, between the country getting droned and the one doing the droning, you would choose the latter.

British Pakistanis gonna British Pakistanis.

Boris is a clown, Imran is a great man, nobody close to him in Hindustan.

But nations aren't owned by people.

It might be a mental struggle for Indians to understand dual nationality, not much I can do to help.

The topic is voting for dual nationals, only a simpleton would suggest otherwise.
 
I have said many times that I am not patriotic. The only reason why I am still in Pakistan is because I have family and assets here. I have no love or emotions for the country.

However, there are people out there who claim that they love Pakistan but in reality, they worship their foreign passports and do not even want to live in the country that they proclaim to love, and now these people will have voting rights. How ridiculous.

Likewise I am in the UK because I have family and assets here. I love Pakistan though.
 
Fawad against giving online voting rights to expats

Says electronic voting system is one step ahead of the present electoral system

ISLAMABAD:
Though the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government has swung into action to give voting rights to overseas Pakistanis, Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Chaudhry Fawad Hussain has said that he is personally not in favour of giving voting right to expatriates through the internet.

The information minister while expressing that the option of the postal ballot would be safer than allowing expatriates to vote online or through the internet said it is currently being debated what would be the safest and best way through which the expats can exercise their right to franchise in the coming elections.

“Personally, I am not in favour of online or internet-based voting for the overseas Pakistanis,” Chaudhry told The Express Tribune, adding that a secure method would be adopted as the whole focus is to make the 2023 elections transparent and free from controversies.

The statement has come amid opposition parties’ fears that the biggest disadvantage of an electronic voting machine (EVM) is election hacking, saying there is a risk that the results can be altered if electronic voting is online and internet based.

Among other things, the opposition has already raised several questions, including on the mechanism to ensure the integrity of vote and how would all parties reach out to expats spread across the globe.
They have also said that the electoral reforms through the promulgation of ordinances were not viable in the long run.

To the opposition’s question how will the presiding officers and polling agents be appointed and will the voting be constituency-wise or in any other way if expats get the right to vote, Chaudhry said that overseas Pakistanis were already registered as voters in different constituencies and a proper mechanism for enabling them to vote was being envisaged.

Under electoral reforms, the government’s spokesperson said, regulations have to be changed, adding that the government's electoral reforms consist of four parts, including EVMs, e-voting for overseas Pakistanis, biometric and legislation.

Chaudhry said that the prototype of EVM has already been developed and presented to parliamentarians, adding that the President has already promulgated ordinance giving voting rights to overseas Pakistanis and enabling the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) to use EVMs while work was underway on biometric and e-voting systems.

To the question what would happen once the ordinances lapse, Chaudhry said that the ordinances have been promulgated so that ECP and other institutions can start working on the proposed ideas and do not come up with the excuse at a later stage that they did not have enough time to complete the job.
He was hopeful that the government would find a way to pass the bills related to giving voting rights to expats and holding elections through EVMs from parliament.

Expressing that the government is determined to bring electoral reforms, Chaudhry said the electronic voting system is one step ahead of the present electoral system and would ensure transparency in the polls.
Apart from transparency, the electronic voting system would not only ensure quick and accurate results but help ending the culture of blame game that is witnessed after every election, he said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302567/fawad-against-giving-online-voting-rights-to-expats
 
Overseas Pakistanis have every right to save Pakistan from badniyat people living under it who behave like the PDM opposition when the PTI is in power but turn a blind eye and stay quiet when the PDM parties are in power.

Must save Pakistan at all costs
 
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Overseas Pakistanis on Monday held a protest demonstration outside the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP), demanding a right to cast their vote in the general elections.

A dozen of overseas nationals gathered outside the building, organised by Pakistan Overseas Forum, clamouring for equal rights to take part in general elections - a stance which the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government has been asserting since it first started making moves to introduce electoral reforms through an ordinance that sought to enable Pakistanis living outside the country to vote.

Talking to the media, the protestors pointed out that, in 2016, the Supreme Court had ordered in favour of extending the right of casting votes to the overseas Pakistanis but the electoral body utterly failed in developing a mechanism whereby they would have been able to practice their basic right.

Demonstrators demanded that seats be allocated for expats in both houses of parliament and provincial assemblies. “ECP should set up a mechanism to give voting rights to us,” they demanded.

Chairman Pakistan Overseas Global Mian Tariq Javed said it is high time that changes were enacted in this regard so that overseas Pakistanis could be given their basic democratic right.

He said that expats could play a key role in resolving some of Pakistan’s longstanding issues as they met the “requirements of the modern world”.Furthermore, a large number of policemen were deployed outside the ECP during the protest, while the roads leading to the ECP were blocked with barbed wire.

Earlier this year, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi had said that the government was making efforts to integrate overseas Pakistanis into the political system and endow the expat community with decision-making powers.
 
ISLAMABAD: Almost 0.7 million overseas voters are registered in 20 hotly-contested constituencies, where the margin of victory was quite narrow in the 2018 general elections, as Geo News seeks to figure out the possible impact of overseas voters in the upcoming polls.

In a first, Geo News obtained access to official statistics, which showed that 20 important districts of Pakistan collectively host over 0.7 million overseas voters who could swing the elections in favour of any particular party in many constituencies, according to the official figures.

In these constituencies, as many as 8.1 million voters are registered.

Almost 10 million Pakistani nationals have a National Identity Card for Overseas Pakistanis (NICOP), which makes them eligible to the right to vote in upcoming elections from nearly 200 countries.

Geo News took up important constituencies from four districts, Rawalpindi, Gujranwala, Faisalabad and Sialkot, and investigated how the overseas voters in these constituencies could potentially make an impact in the upcoming polls.

Rawalpindi district
District Rawalpindi collectively has 406,843 potential overseas voters in its seven NA constituencies.

In the 2018 polls, the PTI and its ally Awami Muslim League of Sheikh Rasheed Ahmed won six of these NA seats and one seat went to PPP’s Raja Pervaiz Ashraf. None of the contests were close and all saw a 10% or more difference between winners and the runner-up, except on NA-57, where PML-N's Shahid Khaqan lost with a margin of only 5% votes to his PTI rival.

If an overseas voters' scenario played out, PTI could gain between 28,000 to 71,000 voters in the district to become stronger. But this would depend on the candidate it fields and other ground realities, the same as Sialkot district where the PML-N had maintained a 47% share in votes in 2008 and 2013, however, it got 12% less in the same district in 2018.

Sialkot district
There are a total of 357,700 potential overseas voters in District Sialkot's five NA constituencies.

NA-73 saw a victory margin of 1,406 votes in favour of PML-N’s Khawaja Asif in the 2018 elections. The constituency has 93,372 potential overseas voters and different scenarios show that it could gain between 6,535 to 16,340 votes in the constituency, Geo News' investigation found.

If these scenarios play out, the seat could tilt towards the PTI. There are, however, many variables for the outcome to be certain.

The PML-N has maintained its vote bank in Sialkot in 2013 and 2018, as well as the recent by-election. The party has been winning all seats since 2008, with the exception of one that they lost to the PPP in 2008.

NA-74 is another potential Sialkot constituency that could get affected. The vote difference in here was only 2%.

In the remaining three constituencies, the difference was more than 15% and it is unlikely overseas voters would be able to change that, unless of course they participate in large numbers.

According to the research, if we apply the 10% incumbency factor, the PTI would lose in its share of domestic votes too. The by-poll in NA-75, however, did not show a dent on PTI's vote bank by much.

Faisalabad district

The PML-N swept Faisalabad in 2013 with a vote share of 57%, however, PTI dented its vote share in 2018 and reduced it significantly by 23% compared to 2013. The PTI won six out of 10 seats, while PML-N could win on only two. The difference in votes between both parties was around 156,000.

Despite its 2013 clean sweep aside, Faisalabad cannot be considered a hub for PML-N as it only won three seats in 2008 too.

So the Faisalabad district has been on and off for the party. Overseas scenarios mentioned above are unlikely to have a significant impact on the results in the district.

Gujranwala district

District Gujranwala has six NA seats.

It is known to be the PML-N’s hub as the party has won all seats in the district comfortably in the 2013 and 2018 elections. It seems unlikely that the outcome would change after an addition of overseas voters.

The difference of votes between the PML-N and PTI in the district was above 250,000 in 2018 and it is highly unlikely to be covered by overseas voters.

PTI’s MNA Khial Zaman won by a margin of 728 votes in Hangu, which has 77,563 expat votes, which is 25.4% of total 305,209 votes. The NA-190 which has 69,637 NICOP (18.4%) holders was a closely contested constituency where PTI’s MNA Farooq Khosa won by 129 votes. This constituency has 378,286 total votes in district Dera Ghazi Khan.

PML-N’s MNA Zulfiqar Bhatti won his seat with a margin of 78 votes only in the last elections in NA-91, Sargodha. This constituency has 28,879 overseas votes, out of total 511,807 votes, according to official records.

Awami National Party’s MNA Amir Haider Hoti defeated his opponent with a thin margin of 152 votes in NA-21, which has had more than 50,412 overseas votes in the constituency, which has total votes of over 471,058 votes. PTI’s MNA Talib Nakai won by 249 votes in NA-140 which has total 15, 287 expat votes in the constituency having total votes of 533,808 in Kasur while Muhammad Akram defeated his opponent with margin of 350 votes in NA-239 which has 43,239 overseas’ votes.

Overseas Pakistanis can swing elections in 20 hotly-contested constituencies
The constituency of MNA Sahibzada Mehboob of PTI had over 11,961 overseas votes where victory margin was only 538 votes in NA-114 Jhang in the previous poll. This constituency has total votes of 579,760. Naveed Dero of NA-215 grabbed victory with 568 votes by defeating his opponent in a constituency which had 7,960 overseas votes of total 366,452 votes.

The constituency of independent MNA Mohsin Javid Dawar has had 19.1pc (71,199) overseas votes in his NA-48, Waziristan, witnessed a victory margin of only 1,167 votes in 2018 elections. The constituency has a total 371,892 votes.

Prime Minister Imran Khan defeated PML-N’s Khawaja Saad Rafique with a margin of 756 votes in NA-131, Lahore, where this constituency has had 45,074 (11pc) overseas votes with registration of total 409,541 votes, the investigation report stated.

It added that Federal Minister Fehmida Mirza has had a margin of only 997 votes in her constituency NA-230, which has 1,365 overseas votes in Badin. Faisal Vawda of PTI had defeated PML-N President Shahbaz Sharif with a margin of 723 votes in NA-249, Karachi, where 15,025 overseas’ votes were registered in 2018. This constituency has a total 341,394 votes.

The constituency of PML-N’s Khawaja Asif has had over 93,371 expats in NA-73, which has a total number of 538,482 registered voters in Sialkot. Victory margin remained 1,406 votes in this constituency in the 2018 elections.

Lastly, State Information Minister Farrukh Habib witnessed a margin of 1,275 votes in NA-108, which had 29, 469 overseas of 481,462 total votes in Faisalabad.
 
Overseas Pakistani's can now vote. Electronic Voting Machines would also be used in the upcoming ele

Two controversial bills have been passed today after pti conducted a joint session with national assembly members and senate both voting. Horse trading was also probably involved as usual.

The upcoming elections will now become controversial.

Overseas with no knowledge of our problems will be playing with our faiths. However atleast this time we can baouth them like they have been doing against the locals for many years.

EVM will be controversial as the system has many loopholes. Its not the perfect system and mamy countries dont adopt it. While I do somewhat think its a move in the right direction, but it only makes the election very controversial.

Our paper balloting system had problems in vote counting as the supervisor at those election places can decide which vote to count and which to not count...
But EVM has issues lets see how this gets implemented now
 
Two controversial bills have been passed today after pti conducted a joint session with national assembly members and senate both voting. Horse trading was also probably involved as usual.

The upcoming elections will now become controversial.

Overseas with no knowledge of our problems will be playing with our faiths. However atleast this time we can baouth them like they have been doing against the locals for many years.

EVM will be controversial as the system has many loopholes. Its not the perfect system and mamy countries dont adopt it. While I do somewhat think its a move in the right direction, but it only makes the election very controversial.

Our paper balloting system had problems in vote counting as the supervisor at those election places can decide which vote to count and which to not count...
But EVM has issues lets see how this gets implemented now

I bet that has never happened before. LOL
 
Two controversial bills have been passed today after pti conducted a joint session with national assembly members and senate both voting. Horse trading was also probably involved as usual.

The upcoming elections will now become controversial.

Overseas with no knowledge of our problems will be playing with our faiths. However atleast this time we can baouth them like they have been doing against the locals for many years.

EVM will be controversial as the system has many loopholes. Its not the perfect system and mamy countries dont adopt it. While I do somewhat think its a move in the right direction, but it only makes the election very controversial.

Our paper balloting system had problems in vote counting as the supervisor at those election places can decide which vote to count and which to not count...
But EVM has issues lets see how this gets implemented now

An excellent move by IK and it should stop the balatant rigging that political parties and the establishment both took part in. It wont be perfect but its a start to some semblance of a proper democracy.
 
The government on Wednesday achieved a crucial victory in the parliament's joint session as it managed to pass the Elections (Amendment) Bill, 2021, granting voting rights to overseas Pakistanis and the use of electronic voting machines.

The opposition, in protest, tore copies of the day's agenda and walked out of the session in protest. The bill on the use of EVMs was earlier deferred at the request of Adviser to the Prime Minister on Parliamentary Affairs Babar Awan but was later put up for a vote.

Following the protest, leaders of opposition parties gathered in the chambers of the opposition leader, Shehbaz Sharif, to ponder over a future course of action.

Addressing the media out the Parliament House, Shehbaz Sharif said the day would be remembered as the "blackest day in the history of the parliament".

Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Ameer Sirajul Haq echoed Shehbaz's sentiments and said the new laws were passed to "steal the next elections".

He added that it was a "sad day in the history of the parliament".


The joint session was supposed to take place on Nov 11 but was cancelled by the government much to the opposition's chagrin after its allies expressed reservations. However, after taking all allies on board, President Arif Alvi summoned the session today at noon.

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) chairperson, Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, also attended the session along with his father Asif Ali Zardari, the co-chairperson of the PPP that rules Sindh.

Following the government’s victory in the parliament, Planning Minister Asad Umar took to Twitter to take a jibe at the opposition. There was a lot of noise for weeks about government’s ouster through this joint sitting but they probably forgot that “honour and disgrace are in the hands of Allah”, he wrote on his official handle.

'Evil and vicious machines'

Taking the floor, Shehbaz claimed that the session was delayed by the government as it did not have the majority to win the vote on the crucial bills.

"The nation and history will not forgive the National Assembly speaker if these bills were bulldozed today, Shehbaz said. In response, the speaker said he will not violate rules during today's session.

Shehbaz said to prove his impartiality, the speaker should quit the PTI and the opposition "will welcome him with open arms".

Reminding the house of the need for consensus, the opposition leader said all important legislations, including that of the National Action Plan, were achieved through consensus and agreement of all.

He also termed electronic voting machines (EVMs) "evil and vicious machines".

"The opposition will oppose these bills at all costs." According to Shehbaz, the parliament was in "lockdown" and bills are bulldozed during the "dark era" of PTI in the house.

There were only three meetings on electoral reforms in June, August and September on the laws proposed by the PTI, he said, adding that during the tenure of PML-N, at least 117 meetings were held on election reforms to achieve consensus.

The PTI is avoiding dialogue on these reforms because it wanted to get these 'black laws' passed, he reiterated.

Shehbaz further said the proposed electoral law was an attempt to prolong PTI's rule, adding that Pakistan never had such a "fascist" regime in its history.

The opposition leader also urged the NA speaker to prorogue the joint session so that proper talks on the issue could be held.

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi called the day "historic" as the parliament will pass laws that will ensure that future elections are "clean and transparent".

"Shehbaz said that the government wanted to introduce a black law. Absolutely not, the government wants to wash away the blackness of the past."

He further said that the government had consulted opposition members to address their reservations but they "did not pay attention".

'Unilateral electoral reforms'

PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, taking the floor, urged the NA speaker to run the house in a way that would not "undermine" parliament.

Bilawal said it was the first time in the history of Pakistan that a government tried to bring "unilateral" electoral reforms.

He said the government tried to bring reforms through an ordinance and now it was trying to bulldoze these reforms through today's session.

The PPP chairperson also lauded the PML-N supreme leader, Nawaz Sharif, for achieving consensus over electoral reforms in 2017 despite holding the required majority to bulldoze the said reforms in the house.

He said the opposition will not accept the next elections if the EVM bill was approved by the government despite several reservations by the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP).

Bilawal said if there was no way to hold electronic voting in the parliament then how could the government bring EVMs across Pakistan in mere 20 months and added that opposition parties will go to court if the bill is passed as it "violated" the Constitution of Pakistan.

The PPP chairperson further added that his party and the PML-N endorsed the ballot right for overseas Pakistanis but the PTI was still taking a solo flight in this regard.

He said PTI's attempt to grant voting rights to overseas Pakistanis was an attempt to "dilute" the concerns of Pakistanis living in the country and there was a need for a separate electoral college for overseas Pakistanis to represent their rights in Pakistan

Bilawal also criticised the ordinance to facilitate convicted Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav, saying it made a mockery of the parliament.

The PPP chief also took the government to task over the deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF), saying the masses were facing the brunt of the "policies made on the orders of the IMF".

He added the government wanted to bring the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) under the control of the IMF, which was akin to "tying hands of parliament" and further said the opposition will also challenge this bill in court.

PPP and PML-N meet

Ahead of the session, Bilawal called on Shehbaz at his chambers to discuss the strategy to defeat the government that enjoys a slight majority in the House.

Parliamentary meeting of PTI

During the parliamentary meeting of the PTI, Prime Minister Imran Khan appeared to be confident of victory.

The prime minister said the government has the required majority to get the bills passed while directing members to ensure their presence in the House.

The PM said the right of vote to overseas Pakistanis and electronic voting machines will empower the democratic process, adding that the proposed legislation favoured Pakistan, not any individuals.

Imran said the government wanted to bring laws that would end the controversy surrounding elections since the 1970s. "We want to bring a system that would make electoral results acceptable to all political parties," he added.

After the meeting, Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry said the PTI lawmakers expressed their complete trust in the leadership of PM Imran.

"The government enjoys a majority in the joint session," he said, adding that the bills will be passed with ease.

"EVMs and right of vote to overseas Pakistan are two very important pieces of legislation," Fawad said and added that the premier was committed to getting these bills passed.

According to the minister, the PTI was the only party that favoured voting rights for expatriates.

He thanked the allies and party lawmakers who ensured their presence for the joint session despite prior commitments.

Fawad also took a dig at the opposition, saying the joint opposition was a victim of internal rifts and today's session would act as a catalyst to exacerbate these divisions.

Meanwhile, the opposition is apprehensive of the alleged "arm-twisting" in the lead-up to the session. In a tweet, the Pakistan People's Party (PPP) senator, Sherry Rehman, alleged that the government was using pressure tactics to ensure its majority in the House.

"A manufactured majority in parliament starts crippling the system. But not just the system. So much arm-twisting going on in the capital right now by the shaky “Govt” that Islamabad’s orthopaedic surgeons should be on alert." She, however, said that the opposition was "united" against the government.

Shehbaz writes letter to NA speaker

PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif also wrote a letter to NA speaker Asad Qaiser, expressing dismay that the government was not sincere about consensus on legislation.

"I had provided a comprehensive proposal to achieve consensus on the bills referred to the joint sitting of parliament; unfortunately, no response was received...which creates doubt about your intentions."

"Instead of considering our proposal,...late last night we received less than 16 hours notice from your office that the joint sitting of parliament had been called to meet at 12pm today. Is this how consensus on issues of national importance is achieved?".

"The bills being considered today include an amendment to the election laws; we want to remind you that in the history of Pakistan, legislation regarding elections has never been done in this unilateral manner; election laws have always been made with extensive consultation and consensus with all parties in parliament."

The decision to summon a joint session has made the office of the speaker "controversial", he said, adding that the "partisan conduct" of Qaiser has removed the opposition's confidence in the office of the speaker.

"We, therefore, demand that you take action to rectify this egregious wrong before today's joint sitting of parliament is convened," the NA opposition leader added.

The letter was shared with the speaker by a delegation of the joint opposition that called on him ahead of the session. PPP's Senator Sherry Rehman, Khursheed Shah; PML-N's Ayaz Sadiq, Azam Nazir Tarrar, Saad Rafiq, Marriyum Aurangzeb; and JUI-F's Shahida Akhtar Ali were part of the delegation

The numbers

According to the data obtained from political parties, the ruling party and its allies have a total of 221 voters, including 179 MNAs and 42 senators.

The opposition, on the other hand, has a total of 219 members, including 162 MNAs and 57 senators.

Of the total 341 MNAs, one seat is vacant in the National Assembly. Of the 99 Senate members, one seat is suspended. This brings the combined total to 440 voters.

As per the government’s data, PTI has 156 MNAs and 27 senators bringing the total to 183; the MQM-P with seven MNAs and three senators makes a total of 10 votes; the BAP with five MNAs and nine senators totals 14; the PML-Q with five MNAs and one senator makes six votes; the GDA with three MNAs and a senator totals four; and one each from the JWP, AMLP and an independent brings the total to 221 from both the houses.

The opposition’s data states that the PML-N has 83 MNAs and 16 senators making total of 99; the PPP 56 MNAs and 21 senators brings the total of 77 votes; the 15 MNAs and five senators of the MMAP (JUI-F) total 20, the BNP-M with four MNAs and two senators totals six; the ANP has one MNA and two senators; Jamaat-e-Islami has one senator; the PkMAP and NP’s each have two senators and three MNAs and six senators of ex-FATA’s Dilawar Khan Group bring the total opposition votes from both the houses to 219.

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The government on Wednesday achieved a crucial victory in the parliament's joint session as it managed to pass the Elections (Amendment) Bill, 2021, granting voting rights to overseas Pakistanis and the use of electronic voting machines.

The opposition, in protest, tore copies of the day's agenda and walked out of the session in protest. The bill on the use of EVMs was earlier deferred at the request of Adviser to the Prime Minister on Parliamentary Affairs Babar Awan but was later put up for a vote.

Following the protest, leaders of opposition parties gathered in the chambers of the opposition leader, Shehbaz Sharif, to ponder over a future course of action.

Addressing the media out the Parliament House, Shehbaz Sharif said the day would be remembered as the "blackest day in the history of the parliament".

Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) Ameer Sirajul Haq echoed Shehbaz's sentiments and said the new laws were passed to "steal the next elections".

He added that it was a "sad day in the history of the parliament".


The joint session was supposed to take place on Nov 11 but was cancelled by the government much to the opposition's chagrin after its allies expressed reservations. However, after taking all allies on board, President Arif Alvi summoned the session today at noon.

Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) chairperson, Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, also attended the session along with his father Asif Ali Zardari, the co-chairperson of the PPP that rules Sindh.

Following the government’s victory in the parliament, Planning Minister Asad Umar took to Twitter to take a jibe at the opposition. There was a lot of noise for weeks about government’s ouster through this joint sitting but they probably forgot that “honour and disgrace are in the hands of Allah”, he wrote on his official handle.

'Evil and vicious machines'

Taking the floor, Shehbaz claimed that the session was delayed by the government as it did not have the majority to win the vote on the crucial bills.

"The nation and history will not forgive the National Assembly speaker if these bills were bulldozed today, Shehbaz said. In response, the speaker said he will not violate rules during today's session.

Shehbaz said to prove his impartiality, the speaker should quit the PTI and the opposition "will welcome him with open arms".

Reminding the house of the need for consensus, the opposition leader said all important legislations, including that of the National Action Plan, were achieved through consensus and agreement of all.

He also termed electronic voting machines (EVMs) "evil and vicious machines".

"The opposition will oppose these bills at all costs." According to Shehbaz, the parliament was in "lockdown" and bills are bulldozed during the "dark era" of PTI in the house.

There were only three meetings on electoral reforms in June, August and September on the laws proposed by the PTI, he said, adding that during the tenure of PML-N, at least 117 meetings were held on election reforms to achieve consensus.

The PTI is avoiding dialogue on these reforms because it wanted to get these 'black laws' passed, he reiterated.

Shehbaz further said the proposed electoral law was an attempt to prolong PTI's rule, adding that Pakistan never had such a "fascist" regime in its history.

The opposition leader also urged the NA speaker to prorogue the joint session so that proper talks on the issue could be held.

Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi called the day "historic" as the parliament will pass laws that will ensure that future elections are "clean and transparent".

"Shehbaz said that the government wanted to introduce a black law. Absolutely not, the government wants to wash away the blackness of the past."

He further said that the government had consulted opposition members to address their reservations but they "did not pay attention".

'Unilateral electoral reforms'

PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, taking the floor, urged the NA speaker to run the house in a way that would not "undermine" parliament.

Bilawal said it was the first time in the history of Pakistan that a government tried to bring "unilateral" electoral reforms.

He said the government tried to bring reforms through an ordinance and now it was trying to bulldoze these reforms through today's session.

The PPP chairperson also lauded the PML-N supreme leader, Nawaz Sharif, for achieving consensus over electoral reforms in 2017 despite holding the required majority to bulldoze the said reforms in the house.

He said the opposition will not accept the next elections if the EVM bill was approved by the government despite several reservations by the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP).

Bilawal said if there was no way to hold electronic voting in the parliament then how could the government bring EVMs across Pakistan in mere 20 months and added that opposition parties will go to court if the bill is passed as it "violated" the Constitution of Pakistan.

The PPP chairperson further added that his party and the PML-N endorsed the ballot right for overseas Pakistanis but the PTI was still taking a solo flight in this regard.

He said PTI's attempt to grant voting rights to overseas Pakistanis was an attempt to "dilute" the concerns of Pakistanis living in the country and there was a need for a separate electoral college for overseas Pakistanis to represent their rights in Pakistan

Bilawal also criticised the ordinance to facilitate convicted Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav, saying it made a mockery of the parliament.

The PPP chief also took the government to task over the deal with the International Monetary Fund (IMF), saying the masses were facing the brunt of the "policies made on the orders of the IMF".

He added the government wanted to bring the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) under the control of the IMF, which was akin to "tying hands of parliament" and further said the opposition will also challenge this bill in court.

PPP and PML-N meet

Ahead of the session, Bilawal called on Shehbaz at his chambers to discuss the strategy to defeat the government that enjoys a slight majority in the House.

Parliamentary meeting of PTI

During the parliamentary meeting of the PTI, Prime Minister Imran Khan appeared to be confident of victory.

The prime minister said the government has the required majority to get the bills passed while directing members to ensure their presence in the House.

The PM said the right of vote to overseas Pakistanis and electronic voting machines will empower the democratic process, adding that the proposed legislation favoured Pakistan, not any individuals.

Imran said the government wanted to bring laws that would end the controversy surrounding elections since the 1970s. "We want to bring a system that would make electoral results acceptable to all political parties," he added.

After the meeting, Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry said the PTI lawmakers expressed their complete trust in the leadership of PM Imran.

"The government enjoys a majority in the joint session," he said, adding that the bills will be passed with ease.

"EVMs and right of vote to overseas Pakistan are two very important pieces of legislation," Fawad said and added that the premier was committed to getting these bills passed.

According to the minister, the PTI was the only party that favoured voting rights for expatriates.

He thanked the allies and party lawmakers who ensured their presence for the joint session despite prior commitments.

Fawad also took a dig at the opposition, saying the joint opposition was a victim of internal rifts and today's session would act as a catalyst to exacerbate these divisions.

Meanwhile, the opposition is apprehensive of the alleged "arm-twisting" in the lead-up to the session. In a tweet, the Pakistan People's Party (PPP) senator, Sherry Rehman, alleged that the government was using pressure tactics to ensure its majority in the House.

"A manufactured majority in parliament starts crippling the system. But not just the system. So much arm-twisting going on in the capital right now by the shaky “Govt” that Islamabad’s orthopaedic surgeons should be on alert." She, however, said that the opposition was "united" against the government.

Shehbaz writes letter to NA speaker

PML-N President Shehbaz Sharif also wrote a letter to NA speaker Asad Qaiser, expressing dismay that the government was not sincere about consensus on legislation.

"I had provided a comprehensive proposal to achieve consensus on the bills referred to the joint sitting of parliament; unfortunately, no response was received...which creates doubt about your intentions."

"Instead of considering our proposal,...late last night we received less than 16 hours notice from your office that the joint sitting of parliament had been called to meet at 12pm today. Is this how consensus on issues of national importance is achieved?".

"The bills being considered today include an amendment to the election laws; we want to remind you that in the history of Pakistan, legislation regarding elections has never been done in this unilateral manner; election laws have always been made with extensive consultation and consensus with all parties in parliament."

The decision to summon a joint session has made the office of the speaker "controversial", he said, adding that the "partisan conduct" of Qaiser has removed the opposition's confidence in the office of the speaker.

"We, therefore, demand that you take action to rectify this egregious wrong before today's joint sitting of parliament is convened," the NA opposition leader added.

The letter was shared with the speaker by a delegation of the joint opposition that called on him ahead of the session. PPP's Senator Sherry Rehman, Khursheed Shah; PML-N's Ayaz Sadiq, Azam Nazir Tarrar, Saad Rafiq, Marriyum Aurangzeb; and JUI-F's Shahida Akhtar Ali were part of the delegation

The numbers

According to the data obtained from political parties, the ruling party and its allies have a total of 221 voters, including 179 MNAs and 42 senators.

The opposition, on the other hand, has a total of 219 members, including 162 MNAs and 57 senators.

Of the total 341 MNAs, one seat is vacant in the National Assembly. Of the 99 Senate members, one seat is suspended. This brings the combined total to 440 voters.

As per the government’s data, PTI has 156 MNAs and 27 senators bringing the total to 183; the MQM-P with seven MNAs and three senators makes a total of 10 votes; the BAP with five MNAs and nine senators totals 14; the PML-Q with five MNAs and one senator makes six votes; the GDA with three MNAs and a senator totals four; and one each from the JWP, AMLP and an independent brings the total to 221 from both the houses.

The opposition’s data states that the PML-N has 83 MNAs and 16 senators making total of 99; the PPP 56 MNAs and 21 senators brings the total of 77 votes; the 15 MNAs and five senators of the MMAP (JUI-F) total 20, the BNP-M with four MNAs and two senators totals six; the ANP has one MNA and two senators; Jamaat-e-Islami has one senator; the PkMAP and NP’s each have two senators and three MNAs and six senators of ex-FATA’s Dilawar Khan Group bring the total opposition votes from both the houses to 219.

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It was only last week that the Lifafas were predicting that IK was finished and today he passes historic legislation. This is humiliating for the corrupt opposition.
 
Electronic verified voting would be the biggest tabdeeli IK was able to bring that alone could change Pakistani politics for the better. Democracy works when the elected are accountable to their voters. Pmln and PPP protests tell you despite all the problems this government faces because of inflation they know that in a clean election they still wont be able to win. It also hampers outside forces from interfering in the election like the so called establishment.
 
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OP says, “ Overseas with no knowledge of our problems will be playing with our faiths” - I mean Pakistani’s haven’t been making the right decisions clearly, that’s why the country is still a s***hole.

Pakistani’s vote for politicians based on their ethnic group. Overseas Pakistani’s will vote for what’s best for Pakistan.

Pakistani’s will vote for corrupt politicians because their parents voted for them too.

Pakistanis feel pressured to vote for parties that they don’t like, again due to family.

Trust me, the least of your concerns are overseas Pakistanis voting.

There’s no way PTI can lose now, because 95% of overseas Pakistanis will vote for Imran Khan.

It’s time for baby Zardari to enjoy the rest of his life in his mansion in Dubai.
 
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Good news, the overseas Pakistanis will be more educated.and make smarter votes. Is e people in Pakistan who aren't educated (which is a lot of people) will get bribed with samosa chaat to vote for whatever party.
 
What happened to the doomsday, this govt's days are numbered, this govt is going, the opposition is going to badly embarras the govt in parliament narrative the media was feeding non stop in the last 10 days?

Excellent initiative for overseas Pakistani's to show their love and patriotism to their motherland and to save the country from the local Pakistani's.
 
Given the fact that the Overseas Pakistani's are sending $32 billion annually to Pakistan i.e. 10 times more than the tax revenues that local Pakistani's contribute to the country, we have every right to have a voice and a role in the nations destiny
 
The rona dona of the thugs and crooks is worth its weight in gold. SS offered to talk today but where was he for the last 3 years?
 
Make Overseas Pakistanis pay taxes on their income and then putting this law we will see how many are really going to hold the dual citizenship then.

Comparison with overseas Americans is mute.
 
Make Overseas Pakistanis pay taxes on their income and then putting this law we will see how many are really going to hold the dual citizenship then.

Comparison with overseas Americans is mute.

A lot of overseas Pakistani's have investments, assets in Pakistan and have to pay taxes on it to the local authorities.
 
Make Overseas Pakistanis pay taxes on their income and then putting this law we will see how many are really going to hold the dual citizenship then.

Comparison with overseas Americans is mute.

Why is the American example mute?
 
A lot of overseas Pakistani's have investments, assets in Pakistan and have to pay taxes on it to the local authorities.

Taxes on income abroad like Americans , you will see how that burns. There is a difference between choice and law.
Investments are not same as paying taxes on your income abroad.
 
Why is the American example mute?

This means that you as an American living abroad or a Green Card holder will need to file a US federal tax return this year if your total income in 2020 – regardless of where the income was earned (and in what currency) – exceeds any of the following minimum thresholds:

https://www.greenbacktaxservices.com/blog/paying-taxes-american-living-abroad/

Imagine GOP putting that law for Overseas Pakistanis, most will end up at higher tax bracket end up paying a lot?
 
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This means that you as an American living abroad or a Green Card holder will need to file a US federal tax return this year if your total income in 2020 – regardless of where the income was earned (and in what currency) – exceeds any of the following minimum thresholds:

https://www.greenbacktaxservices.com/blog/paying-taxes-american-living-abroad/

We can send tax returns, its not a problem. The issue is not overseas paying taxes, its the locals paying little tax( the elite) and our hard earnt money being stolen by NSs and others and sent back abroad through laundering
 
Taxes on income abroad like Americans , you will see how that burns. There is a difference between choice and law.
Investments are not same as paying taxes on your income abroad.

Overseas Pakistani's are already contributing more money to Pakistan vs the Local Pakistani's living and working in Pakistan. They have every right to have a voice on the destiny of their country
 
This means that you as an American living abroad or a Green Card holder will need to file a US federal tax return this year if your total income in 2020 – regardless of where the income was earned (and in what currency) – exceeds any of the following minimum thresholds:

https://www.greenbacktaxservices.com/blog/paying-taxes-american-living-abroad/

Imagine GOP putting that law for Overseas Pakistanis, most will end up at higher tax bracket end up paying a lot?

Not really. The Government of Pakistan will have to give a Foreign Tax Credit if they are also taxing the overseas income of the Pakistani's in their countries and if they have already paid tax on the income abroad in order to avoid the double taxation problem.
 
If this is implemented fully I hope we finally destroy the PPP. They are an insidious security risk and traitors. Sindh needs to be liberated from this clan and Bilawal needs to be put behind bars with his father.
 
Good for overseas Pakistanis. This is something 99% of so called democracies around the world do. So yeah Shabaashs.


The real Win is the EVM, at least corrupt filth won't have it so easy to manipulate elections.
 
Given the fact that the Overseas Pakistani's are sending $32 billion annually to Pakistan i.e. 10 times more than the tax revenues that local Pakistani's contribute to the country, we have every right to have a voice and a role in the nations destiny

no you dont.

You only getting this because pti is begging for votes now to save itself and get a reelection.

Hopefully a majority in future helps get this amended, terrible bill passed today.
 
no you dont.

You only getting this because pti is begging for votes now to save itself and get a reelection.

Hopefully a majority in future helps get this amended, terrible bill passed today.

No where to hide. Btw did you know that both Nooras and PPP had also promised overseas PK the vote
 
no you dont.

You only getting this because pti is begging for votes now to save itself and get a reelection.

Hopefully a majority in future helps get this amended, terrible bill passed today.

The PTI doesn't need to beg for a single vote. They don't even have to campaign..unlike serfs like you, we are educated and love PK, not crooked families
 
Lol typical reasons by poster that it happens in US. US nationals have to file tax. I wonder how many overseas actually file tax.

Remittances are not for the govt, its for the family members.

This election is going to be the most controversial elections now...
 
Good news, the overseas Pakistanis will be more educated.and make smarter votes. Is e people in Pakistan who aren't educated (which is a lot of people) will get bribed with samosa chaat to vote for whatever party.

Really?

Did you know that PTI had Amir Liaqut as their MNA. He was elected by the people so that Imran Khan could be made PM.


Typical overseas badmouthing the locals.


I wonder how people that have never been back to Pakistan in the last few years will be voting for the MNAs and MPAs. They dont know what work has been done in their localities.... But i guess just so that Imran Khan can become Prime Minister they will vote any looney as the MNA or MPA.. If local Pakistanis are uneducated, than how exactly will overseas vote? Will they again vote Amir Liaqut as an MNA who does nothing in his locality?
 
The PTI doesn't need to beg for a single vote. They don't even have to campaign..unlike serfs like you, we are educated and love PK, not crooked families

ok so if you are educated, would you be voting a MNA in your locality(which many of you overseas havent visited back home) based on the work he has done or based on his party?

99% of you that call locals uneducated, you to will vote an MNA based on him belonging to PTI, not the actual work that MNA has pushed for in that area
 
Lol typical reasons by poster that it happens in US. US nationals have to file tax. I wonder how many overseas actually file tax.

Remittances are not for the govt, its for the family members.

This election is going to be the most controversial elections now...

If you are a US citizen earning abroad, you have to file taxes. Based on various taxes reciprocity treaties with other nations (US/Pakistan has one), You are exempted upto certain amount as long as you pay taxes in that country. If you don't file a tax return knowingly expect the IRS to come after you.
There is a saying here "In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes"

You gotta be a billionaire with an army of lawyers and accountants to beat paying taxes through various loop holes built into the tax code. These are just for the uber wealthy otherwise ordinary joe has to pay up and face the wrath of the IRS.

Coming back to the subject, I guess need to get my NICOP & Passport renewed. Who are the candidates running for NA-244 :)
 
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Really?

Did you know that PTI had Amir Liaqut as their MNA. He was elected by the people so that Imran Khan could be made PM.


Typical overseas badmouthing the locals.


I wonder how people that have never been back to Pakistan in the last few years will be voting for the MNAs and MPAs. They dont know what work has been done in their localities.... But i guess just so that Imran Khan can become Prime Minister they will vote any looney as the MNA or MPA.. If local Pakistanis are uneducated, than how exactly will overseas vote? Will they again vote Amir Liaqut as an MNA who does nothing in his locality?

Remind me of what work has been done by your PPP stalwarts in Noderoferoz, Larkana et al that they keep getting re-elected over and over again? So who votes for them?
 
ok so if you are educated, would you be voting a MNA in your locality(which many of you overseas havent visited back home) based on the work he has done or based on his party?

99% of you that call locals uneducated, you to will vote an MNA based on him belonging to PTI, not the actual work that MNA has pushed for in that area

And you think that local people vote for an MNA or MPA based on their performance. If that was the case why are the PPP still in power in Sindh?
 
It's a right that I won't ever exercise.

Only someone living in or paying taxes in the country should be allowed to vote.

Overseas Pakistanis hold Imran in incredibly high regard but the feeling is beginning to wane amongst Pakistanis.

It would be unfair for overseas Pakistanis to be able to influence the election when we aren't living with the effects of inflation.
 
Lol typical reasons by poster that it happens in US. US nationals have to file tax. I wonder how many overseas actually file tax.

Remittances are not for the govt, its for the family members.

This election is going to be the most controversial elections now...

Remittances maybe for the family but even someone as basic as you should know that without the 30bn a year the PK economy and Rp would crash. The exports are around 26bn and imports are heading for 80bn. You do the maths
 
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