Now overseas Pakistanis will be able to vote in Pakistan elections too!

[MenInG]

A delegation of overseas Pakistanis on Tuesday arrived at the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) to push for the implementation of the i-voting regime days after a law to this effect was passed by the National Assembly.

The delegation also submitted a note for future reference to the ECP secretary as they urged the commission to implement i-voting on an immediate basis. The secretary assured the expatriates that the i-voting system will be implemented within 90 days.

As per the text of the memorandum, the overseas Pakistanis urged the ECP to implement the new law regarding internet voting within 90 days. They said the ECP should also issue instructions to the Pakistani missions abroad to take steps regarding the i-voting.

“It is the constitutional responsibility of the ECP to give voting rights to overseas Pakistanis,” the memo said, adding that they will protest across Pakistan if the said right was denied to them.

Overseas Pakistan Chairman Shahid Ranjha said that he was grateful to Prime Minister Imran Khan for giving the expatriates the right to vote.

He said their right to vote was being politicised, adding that overseas Pakistanis should be included in the local government elections. According to Ranjha, overseas voters will play a decisive role in the upcoming elections.

Earlier, the forum also held a rally outside the ECP where Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry and Special Aid to the PM on Political Communication Shahbaz Gill, among other federal ministers, were also present.

Speaking on the occasion, SAPM Gill said the government was aware of the issues faced by the Pakistanis living overseas. He added that the expatriates were demanding their due rights by asking for i-voting.

 

[MenInG]

President Dr Arif Alvi signed the bill on the use of electronic voting machines (EVMs) in the next general elections and granting the right to vote to the overseas Pakistanis into law during a ceremony at the Aiwan-e-Sadr.

No official from the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) was present at the signing ceremony despite the invitation. After signing the bill, the president urged the election supervisor to set a timeline for acquiring the machines.

The legislation was among 33 bills passed by the joint session of parliament during its sitting on November 17. Alvi had signed several bills on Wednesday. The remaining bills were signed on Thursday. On this occasion, the president congratulated the government for its efforts for electoral reform.

“Pakistan will progress only when the ordinary Pakistanis adopt innovation,” Alvi said, as he gave his assent to the bill. The president described the elections amendment bill as a big step, and emphasised the new law would end allegations of rigging in the elections.

“Allegations of rigging have been made in all previous elections but this will not happen now,” he said. “It will help strengthen democracy in the country. With this machine the vote result will be in front of everyone immediately,” he added.

Alvi stressed that the Science and Technology Ministry was not the manufacturer of EVMs, rather it built a prototype of the machine.” The ECP [Election Commission of Pakistan] will decide what kind of machine it wants,” he continued. “Pakistan needs EVMs as well as internet voting.”

Speaking on the occasion, Science and Technology Minister Shibli Faraz said that 23 months remained in the next elections, which was an adequate time period to prepare for the next general elections, due in October 2023.

“With the new legislation, now is the time for us to put it [the law] into practice. “There is ample time to conduct the next election through the EVM. “It was time for the ECP to decide which machine to use in the elections.”

Adviser to Prime Minister on Parliamentary Affairs Babar Awan said that the legislation about the EVMs had been enacted after three years of hard work. He added that Prime Minister Imran Khan, Science and Technology Minister Shibli Faraz and other government officials made this law possible.

“Congratulations to the president, prime minister, parliament, the people of Pakistan and Pakistanis abroad. As a result of the new legislation, Pakistanis abroad are being included in the decision-making process for the first time,” he added.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD:
The Senate was informed that more than 1.139 million Pakistanis had gone abroad for employment during the three-year rule of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI).

According to a report presented by the Ministry of Overseas Pakistanis, 624,000 Pakistanis went to Saudi Arabia for employment.

Those who went abroad for employment included 452,000 laborers, 347,000 drivers, 34,000 technicians, 33,000 mechanics, 27,000 electricians, 21,000 carpenters, 13,000 cooks and others.

A total of 292,000 Pakistanis are in the United Arab Emirates, 77,000 in Oman, 64,000 in Qatar, 29,000 in Bahrain, 13,000 in Malaysia, 6,000 in Iraq, 2,000 in China, 2,000 in the UK and more than 1,000 in the USA.

According to the overseas ministry, Pakistani citizens have gone to Turkey, Syria, Sweden, Spain, Germany, Iran, Italy, Lebanon, Libya, Kenya, Jordan, Kuwait, South Korea, Japan and other countries for employment under the incumbent government.

Job seekers include doctors, nurses, teachers, managers, welders, engineers, operators and others, it added.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2339895/1139m-pakistanis-went-abroad-for-jobs-senate-told

 

[silentkiller187]

So with the news yesterday that a general election will be called, how many of our overseas Pakistanis will register a vote?

 

[irfan]

So with the news yesterday that a general election will be called, how many of our overseas Pakistanis will register a vote?

I won't even though I am eligible to vote as I don't live in Pakistan, imo I should not have this right.

 

[bones]

Reddit put a poll up and about 85% of the voters were for PTI. Overseas Pakistanis are overwhelmingly in favour of Imran Khan and the PTI. In fact it's so lopsided I cannot find a single person who is pro PPP or PML.

 

[Technics 1210]

Has it been confirmed that overseas Pakistanis can vote in the upcoming election?

 

[Manunited18]

Has it been confirmed that overseas Pakistanis can vote in the upcoming election?

Yes.

 

[JaDed]

Reddit put a poll up and about 85% of the voters were for PTI. Overseas Pakistanis are overwhelmingly in favour of Imran Khan and the PTI. In fact it's so lopsided I cannot find a single person who is pro PPP or PML.

Do you trust Reddit polls? It’s an American company..

“Reddit is an American social news aggregation, web content rating, and discussion website”

 

[RajBan]

Is the vote going to be over digital platform or folks need to travel to Pakistan?

 

[Manunited18]

Is the vote going to be over digital platform or folks need to travel to Pakistan?

For overseas, it will be on digital platform, therefore overseas pakistanis won't have to travel.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes.

Excellent, in which case he’s getting 5 votes from my side!

 

[Manunited18]

Excellent, in which case he’s getting 5 votes from my side!

Yes, definitely voting for him.

 

[Kashmirilion]

In Sha Allah will be voting for him and my family and friends of which the numbers are great. In Sha Allah nothing will stop him by the will of Allah. May khan win this election by a long majority in sha Allah we can get rid of this old Constitution the sellout judiciary's all the corrupt institution and the corrupt theiving political party's are finished once and for all in Sha Allah. May this be the change that Pakistan has needed since inception. Ameen.

 

[Major]

Overseas without filing their taxes in pakistan want to vote in my country.. sad sad

 

[Technics 1210]

Overseas without filing their taxes in pakistan want to vote in my country.. sad sad

You do not even pay taxes in Pakistan, the story of PPP supporters.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Overseas without filing their taxes in pakistan want to vote in my country.. sad sad

So, anyone that doesn’t pay tax can’t vote? Basically 99% of the Pakistan population.

 

[Syed1]

Overseas without filing their taxes in pakistan want to vote in my country.. sad sad

Only about 3 million file taxes in Pakistan (this number was only 1 million when your favourite looters were at the helm btw).


I'm all for just allowing these 3 million Pakistanis the right to vote, the rest of the 217 million which I'm sure includes you as well should be disenfranchised - as you yourself said only tax filer should be allowed to vote.

 

[Manunited18]

Overseas without filing their taxes in pakistan want to vote in my country.. sad sad

PPP= corruption, which also includes tax dodgers.

 

[Local.Dada]

So you can sit in America and vote in for a govt that is anti-American.

Not just Pakistanis but in principal how does that work?

Anyway I guess the target market is Brit-Pakistanis . Don’t need to go to far to figure that out

 

[YousafTheBeast]

So you can sit in America and vote in for a govt that is anti-American.

Not just Pakistanis but in principal how does that work?

Anyway I guess the target market is Brit-Pakistanis . Don’t need to go to far to figure that out

The govt isn’t anti-American.

Being anti-war, not being dictated by the west to pick sides i.e Russia/USA, refusing to allow US bases on your soil is not being anti-American. It’s Pakistan first, and that’s what the previous PM’s failed to do because they didn’t have the balls to stand up.

 

[Major]

You do not even pay taxes in Pakistan, the story of PPP supporters.

how can you be so sure i file or not file taxes.

I do file taxes.

Also, even if the public isn't filing taxes, they do end up paying more taxes than a filer. The state has laws when buying assests or making transactions where non filer has to pay extra tax while filer gets advantage...

I understand you being a non resident here and still wanting to vote bash the locals dont know these things.

Wanna live overseas, but dont even wanna file taxes in Pakistan , frauds.

 

[Major]

So you can sit in America and vote in for a govt that is anti-American.

Not just Pakistanis but in principal how does that work?

Anyway I guess the target market is Brit-Pakistanis . Don’t need to go to far to figure that out

I have said this before, the lot that lives in the west, they will talk against the west and its system, and than cry about racism or islamophobia... Not knowing they are the ones that spread the hate.

You should read their views on Afghanis, especially when there is Afg vs Pak match. Often you will find generalized comments against afghanis.

 

[daytrader]

I have said this before, the lot that lives in the west, they will talk against the west and its system, and than cry about racism or islamophobia... Not knowing they are the ones that spread the hate.

You should read their views on Afghanis, especially when there is Afg vs Pak match. Often you will find generalized comments against afghanis.

That's because we have exposure to actual racism from others including overseas Afghanis.Tum Pakistan mein beth ke sirf internet pe hi comment kar sakte ho rather than engage in real life debates with other ethnicities.

Islamophobia wouldn't even be talked about if overseas Pakistanis didn't raise it as an issue. We contribute to the societies we live in unlike domestic Pakistanis like you who make a fuss about paying tax

 

[Colorblind Genius]

how can you be so sure i file or not file taxes.

I do file taxes.

Also, even if the public isn't filing taxes, they do end up paying more taxes than a filer. The state has laws when buying assests or making transactions where non filer has to pay extra tax while filer gets advantage...

I understand you being a non resident here and still wanting to vote bash the locals dont know these things.

Wanna live overseas, but dont even wanna file taxes in Pakistan , frauds.

Interesting.
Can you elaborate a little more on this law? When was it introduced?

 

[Technics 1210]

The jealousy here is remarkable. The majority of indigenous Pakistanis have a problem with overseas Pakistanis because they wish they were sitting in the West enjoying the privilege of dual nationality. Instead the said indigenous weep and wallow while they avoid paying taxes in Pakistan yet they want the low hanging fruit - hence corruption is rife in Pakistan, hence said lot despise IK because the rivers of brown envelopes have dried up!

Overseas Pakistanis will vote for IK to get rid of said corruption in Pakistan, it is our moral duty to support IK.

 

[Major]

The jealousy here is remarkable. The majority of indigenous Pakistanis have a problem with overseas Pakistanis because they wish they were sitting in the West enjoying the privilege of dual nationality. Instead the said indigenous weep and wallow while they avoid paying taxes in Pakistan yet they want the low hanging fruit - hence corruption is rife in Pakistan, hence said lot despise IK because the rivers of brown envelopes have dried up!

Overseas Pakistanis will vote for IK to get rid of said corruption in Pakistan, it is our moral duty to support IK.

Interestingly you ignired my post and now ranting about jealosy and what not.

Moral duty? You live in a country that made israel, where were the morals than

 

[Technics 1210]

Interestingly you ignired my post and now ranting about jealosy and what not.

Moral duty? You live in a country that made israel, where were the morals than

Interestingly? Not at all. I ignored your previous response, because every Pakistani when pulled up on taxes claims to pay taxes. Then you are teeing off by talking about transactions just so you can add the piece we overseas are unawre of the ground realities etc etc.

It’s been a bad week for you and your corrupt party, it’s only about to get worse.

 

[daytrader]

how can you be so sure i file or not file taxes.

I do file taxes.

Also, even if the public isn't filing taxes, they do end up paying more taxes than a filer. The state has laws when buying assests or making transactions where non filer has to pay extra tax while filer gets advantage...

I understand you being a non resident here and still wanting to vote bash the locals dont know these things.

Wanna live overseas, but dont even wanna file taxes in Pakistan , frauds.

You were the one complaining about the 17% sales tax.

Also you as an individual might be filing taxes but most Pakistanis don't. Yes I'm generalizing, just like you generalize about overseas Pakistanis. But unlike you, my remarks are based on the fact that Pakistan's direct tax contributions hover around 5% of the GDP. That means you should be preaching more to your fellows in Pakistan rather than wasting your time online with overseas Pakistanis. You seem like an educated fellow, so please use your influence on the local population and encourage them to file their taxes.

 

[basitmian]

Overseas without filing their taxes in pakistan want to vote in my country.. sad sad

Wow... we send billions of dollars in Remittance to Pakistan.
Let me educate your ignorance a bit that overseas pakistani have many investments in Pakistan that we pay tax on. Majority of our Charity and Zakaat goes to Pakistan.

How about people who live in Pakistan and don't pay any tax?
If I am willing to pay more tax in Pakistan than your yearly income, then should your vote be discounted to lower proportion because I paid more tax from your logic?

 

[Major]

Wow... we send billions of dollars in Remittance to Pakistan.
Let me educate your ignorance a bit that overseas pakistani have many investments in Pakistan that we pay tax on. Majority of our Charity and Zakaat goes to Pakistan.

How about people who live in Pakistan and don't pay any tax?
If I am willing to pay more tax in Pakistan than your yearly income, then should your vote be discounted to lower proportion because I paid more tax from your logic?

I dont care about your remitance or charity you send in ruppees or whatever.

If you want to vote in pakistan while living overseas you should be filing for taxes.

This is what usa does. Its cotizens overseas can vote but they are also required to file tax as they are citizens....

Also interestingly point, you accept that there is a wage difference in pakistan hence probing the argument that pti failed as a govt to increase salaries which are not adjustable to the inflation

 

[Major]

You were the one complaining about the 17% sales tax.

Also you as an individual might be filing taxes but most Pakistanis don't. Yes I'm generalizing, just like you generalize about overseas Pakistanis. But unlike you, my remarks are based on the fact that Pakistan's direct tax contributions hover around 5% of the GDP. That means you should be preaching more to your fellows in Pakistan rather than wasting your time online with overseas Pakistanis. You seem like an educated fellow, so please use your influence on the local population and encourage them to file their taxes.

Mini budget increased the inflation rate. The 17percent tax was not on every item, but now this tax is being charged on every thing being sold in the mkt.

This is on top of the inflation that already exists.

 

[Technics 1210]

I loving this. Overseas Pakistanis should first pay tax then vote in Pakistan elections because Amreekans do the same.

Comedy gold.

 

[Salma_T]

If OS Pakistani are to vote they should have substantial financial links to Pakistan. I don't think sending zakat qualifies a person to have a say in election. Most countries have a limit on who can and cannot vote and Pakistan should adopt those. Case in point, I assume with a valid NICOP I could vote even those I have not been to Pakistan since 1999 and have no bank account in the country etc.

 

[Abstraction1]

how can you be so sure i file or not file taxes.

I do file taxes.

Also, even if the public isn't filing taxes, they do end up paying more taxes than a filer. The state has laws when buying assests or making transactions where non filer has to pay extra tax while filer gets advantage...

I understand you being a non resident here and still wanting to vote bash the locals dont know these things.

Wanna live overseas, but dont even wanna file taxes in Pakistan , frauds.

My brother, my dear friend..

Read your first and last sentence.
Do you not realise how hypocritical and ridiculous you sound?

Is this how opposition voters think? (Or I guess don't think).

I hope you were trolling.

 

[Gayle_Force]

If OS Pakistani are to vote they should have substantial financial links to Pakistan. I don't think sending zakat qualifies a person to have a say in election. Most countries have a limit on who can and cannot vote and Pakistan should adopt those. Case in point, I assume with a valid NICOP I could vote even those I have not been to Pakistan since 1999 and have no bank account in the country etc.

I agree but in reality the people with no substantial link to Pakistan are not really going to go out and vote anyways and the % of these people will be very small. However, there are a fairly large number of overseas Pakistanis particularly in the Middle East that send a major portion of their income to support their families in Pakistan. However, these people are deprived of voting and it’s hard to argue that they should not have a say.

 

[Salma_T]

I agree but in reality the people with no substantial link to Pakistan are not really going to go out and vote anyways and the % of these people will be very small. However, there are a fairly large number of overseas Pakistanis particularly in the Middle East that send a major portion of their income to support their families in Pakistan. However, these people are deprived of voting and it’s hard to argue that they should not have a say.

Totally agree those with links should be able to vote especially those in ME.

 

[JaDed]

So how do they choose their representative? Are the regions for which they vote will always remain the same?

 

[Varun]

Reddit put a poll up and about 85% of the voters were for PTI. Overseas Pakistanis are overwhelmingly in favour of Imran Khan and the PTI. In fact it's so lopsided I cannot find a single person who is pro PPP or PML.

I doubt Reddit has too many Pakistanis from places like the Middle East, which is where the bulk of overseas votes will likely come from.

 

[adzzy786]

Those who support Nawaz Sharif are an absolute joke. The guy is a theif and fraud, robbed the country of milllions and they still want his daughter and his family in power. What a joke

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Overseas without filing their taxes in pakistan want to vote in my country.. sad sad

Aren't you the one who was blabbering about upholding the constitutional rights and "respect to constitution" and blah blah ?

So what happened? Why not sticking to your guns now?

Doesn't a holder of a Pakistani passport have a fundamental constitutional right to vote in Pakistan?

It really is sad, isn't it?

 

[Syed1]

Aren't you the one who was blabbering about upholding the constitutional rights and "respect to constitution" and blah blah ?

So what happened? Why not sticking to your guns now?

Doesn't a holder of a Pakistani passport have a fundamental constitutional right to vote in Pakistan?

It really is sad, isn't it?

Oddly enough this guy himself spent his childhood as an overseas Pakistani. I bet most of us "overseas" have spent more years in Pakistan than this guy. Also we send remittance and charity back every year which from his intellect level seems like would be far higher than the taxes he would pay in a lifetime.

 

[Major]

Aren't you the one who was blabbering about upholding the constitutional rights and "respect to constitution" and blah blah ?

So what happened? Why not sticking to your guns now?

Doesn't a holder of a Pakistani passport have a fundamental constitutional right to vote in Pakistan?

It really is sad, isn't it?

The overseas voting is happening not because of parliamentary bill but because govt bypassed parliament and got president to issie ordinance which is against democracy.

Every pakistan living in pakistan cannot just vote while sitting at home they have to go to their constiuentcy to actually vote.

Anyways, now ecp will decide whether overseas can vote or not. Right now the issue is to make and update the vote sheets.

Hopefully ecp fails to get accurate data or record which would eventually bar overseas from voting inshallah

 

[KingKhanWC]

The overseas voting is happening not because of parliamentary bill but because govt bypassed parliament and got president to issie ordinance which is against democracy.

Every pakistan living in pakistan cannot just vote while sitting at home they have to go to their constiuentcy to actually vote.

Anyways, now ecp will decide whether overseas can vote or not. Right now the issue is to make and update the vote sheets.

Hopefully ecp fails to get accurate data or record which would eventually bar overseas from voting inshallah

PPP is dead in the Uk & US )

Overseas Pakistanis are dual nationals , they have the same right & more rights compared to those who have been involved with parties who looted the nation blind .

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The overseas voting is happening not because of parliamentary bill but because govt bypassed parliament and got president to issie ordinance which is against democracy.

Every pakistan living in pakistan cannot just vote while sitting at home they have to go to their constiuentcy to actually vote.

Anyways, now ecp will decide whether overseas can vote or not. Right now the issue is to make and update the vote sheets.

Hopefully ecp fails to get accurate data or record which would eventually bar overseas from voting inshallah

But you can't have it both ways.

OK, so if an overseas Pakistani visits Pakistan to go into his constituency, casts his vote, and catches the next flight to USA, how would that satisfy your rona dhona? He will remain an overseas Pakistani that does not pay taxes in Pakistan. And hence, shouldn't have the right to vote. Period.

What kinda tears you gonna shed then or it will expose the hypocrite in you where you will have no objection to overseas Pakistanis to come to Pakistan and vote, even though they live abroad and don't pay taxes?

 

[Major]

But you can't have it both ways.

OK, so if an overseas Pakistani visits Pakistan to go into his constituency, casts his vote, and catches the next flight to USA, how would that satisfy your rona dhona? He will remain an overseas Pakistani that does not pay taxes in Pakistan. And hence, shouldn't have the right to vote. Period.

What kinda tears you gonna shed then or it will expose the hypocrite in you where you will have no objection to overseas Pakistanis to come to Pakistan and vote, even though they live abroad and don't pay taxes?

Sure, any overseas pakistani who has his name on the voter list come to the country vote and than they may get lost....

Instead of sitting at home overseas and casting their vote

 

[KingKhanWC]

Zardari supporters asking others to pay tax . Comedy at its best .

Taxes are paid for services. If you don’t live there , you won’t be using any services.

Overseas Pakistanis have saved the nation by investing & sending money while some so called patriot residents having been robbing the nation.

 

[Syed1]

Alhumdulilah Allah has blessed me with enough. If ECP gives an election date and overseas are not allowed to vote, then I'll book a flight and come just to vote Inshallah. Did the same in 2018.


Anything for IK. Also my constituency is in the heart of Karachi so it gives me special solace to come vote for PTI and ensure a resounding defeat for Billoo Rani and his PPP, and Altaf's leftover MQM.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Sure, any overseas pakistani who has his name on the voter list come to the country vote and than they may get lost....

Instead of sitting at home overseas and casting their vote

See?
Why would you now allow an overseas Pakistani to vote who does not pay taxes?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Zardari supporters asking others to pay tax . Comedy at its best .

Taxes are paid for services. If you don’t live there , you won’t be using any services.

Overseas Pakistanis have saved the nation by investing & sending money while some so called patriot residents having been robbing the nation.

lol ,,, seriously .. what a comedian this guy is?

I mean, folks WITHIN Pakistan who paid $5 Billion in taxes telling OVERSEARS Pakistanis who remitted $30 Billion, that "you are NOT supposed to vote because you don't pay taxes in Pakistan. However, you CAN vote if you visited Pakistan on the voting day, in which case, it doesn't matter whether you pay taxes or not."

In essence, you can't vote electronically because you don't pay taxes. But you can vote manually, even if you don't pay taxes.

And this guy was opening threads about "respecting the constitution" LOL

 

[Major]

lol ,,, seriously .. what a comedian this guy is?

I mean, folks WITHIN Pakistan who paid $5 Billion in taxes telling OVERSEARS Pakistanis who remitted $30 Billion, that "you are NOT supposed to vote because you don't pay taxes in Pakistan. However, you CAN vote if you visited Pakistan on the voting day, in which case, it doesn't matter whether you pay taxes or not."

In essence, you can't vote electronically because you don't pay taxes. But you can vote manually, even if you don't pay taxes.

And this guy was opening threads about "respecting the constitution" LOL

Thats how it is in usa.


Funny how you dont wanna file tax but want to vote.....

That

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Thats how it is in usa.


Funny how you dont wanna file tax but want to vote.....

That

Can you show me where it says that you have to pay tax to vote in Pakistan?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Thats how it is in usa.


Funny how you dont wanna file tax but want to vote.....

That

lol ... that's how WHAT is in USA?

Under Absentee ballot, American citizens can vote from anywhere in the world, regardless of whether they live in USA or not, and regardless of whether they pay taxes in USA or not.

And the American citizen couples who live and earn abroad (outside of USA), do NOT pay any taxes in USA if they earn less than $210,000 a year.
And many do not cross this limit.

So there are thousands upon thousands of American citizens who do NOT live and work in USA, and they do NOT pay any taxes in USA, BUT they still vote in the American elections.

How much more bisti you want?

 

[Major]

lol ... that's how WHAT is in USA?

Under Absentee ballot, American citizens can vote from anywhere in the world, regardless of whether they live in USA or not, and regardless of whether they pay taxes in USA or not.

And the American citizen couples who live and earn abroad (outside of USA), do NOT pay any taxes in USA if they earn less than $210,000 a year.
And many do not cross this limit.

So there are thousands upon thousands of American citizens who do NOT live and work in USA, and they do NOT pay any taxes in USA, BUT they still vote in the American elections.

How much more bisti you want?

if you are an American living abroad as a US citizen, you must file a US federal tax return and pay US taxes on your worldwide income no matter where you live at that time. In other words, you are subject to the same rules regarding income taxation as people living stateside

I am not gonna even bother with you now, here is the irs website if you are interested

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad


Tax file kerna nahi, but still want to vote in elections and play with the future of other people....

 

[cric_man]

If OS Pakistani are to vote they should have substantial financial links to Pakistan. I don't think sending zakat qualifies a person to have a say in election. Most countries have a limit on who can and cannot vote and Pakistan should adopt those. Case in point, I assume with a valid NICOP I could vote even those I have not been to Pakistan since 1999 and have no bank account in the country etc.

Agree plus you should have a primary residence in Pakistan. So you can vote in your constituency.
Last year, my mother sold all our properties and assets in Pakistan and moved to the US. So technically I do not have a residence in Pakistan. My in laws are there, but I should not be able to vote.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

if you are an American living abroad as a US citizen, you must file a US federal tax return and pay US taxes on your worldwide income no matter where you live at that time. In other words, you are subject to the same rules regarding income taxation as people living stateside

I am not gonna even bother with you now, here is the irs website if you are interested

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad


Tax file kerna nahi, but still want to vote in elections and play with the future of other people....

lol HAHAHAHHAHA.
Dude you must get comedian of the month award.

"FILING" taxes is NOT the same as "PAYING" taxes.

Every American FILES a tax return but not PAY tax on their income.

Americans who live abroad, (singles who earn $108K and couples who earn less than $210K) outside the United States do NOT pay income tax.

They simple "File" tax returns with zero tax due. This means, they submit a form to the govt by showing their international income that has NO tax due because it's under the limit set.

Anyway,
It will be nice to visit Pakistan as a NON-Tax payer, and vote for IK if online voting option is not available.

 

[basitmian]

if you are an American living abroad as a US citizen, you must file a US federal tax return and pay US taxes on your worldwide income no matter where you live at that time. In other words, you are subject to the same rules regarding income taxation as people living stateside

I am not gonna even bother with you now, here is the irs website if you are interested

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/us-citizens-and-resident-aliens-abroad


Tax file kerna nahi, but still want to vote in elections and play with the future of other people....

You posted IRS link with Zero knowledge of how IRS tax works for Citizens abroad.
You pay differential tax, if you have already paid tax in international country then you pay the difference if any.
US tax bracket is also based on income level, majority of time you don't have pay any US tax if you work outside of US but you have to file for it.

 

[basitmian]

I dont care about your remitance or charity you send in ruppees or whatever.

If you want to vote in pakistan while living overseas you should be filing for taxes.

This is what usa does. Its cotizens overseas can vote but they are also required to file tax as they are citizens....

Also interestingly point, you accept that there is a wage difference in pakistan hence probing the argument that pti failed as a govt to increase salaries which are not adjustable to the inflation

1. You ignored my point about taxes on investments in pakistan by Overseas Pakistani.

2. You are just going to ignore the billions of dollars of remittance and millions of dollars of charity that goes to Edhi, Alamgir, Etc from OPs because "you dont care".

3. If you are so anti Overseas Pakistanis voting, then what about your politicians who have dual citizenships, who are hiding outside, who have properties outside, whose children cant even speak in Urdu, who have laundered money outside. Kapain Tang rahi hain, really that guy should your FM?

4. Nobody is saying PTI has done the best job ever but this discussion is about OP being able to vote or not.

You have exposed of your level of biasness and immaturity to an objective and intellectual argument.

 

[Major]

1. You ignored my point about taxes on investments in pakistan by Overseas Pakistani.

2. You are just going to ignore the billions of dollars of remittance and millions of dollars of charity that goes to Edhi, Alamgir, Etc from OPs because "you dont care".

3. If you are so anti Overseas Pakistanis voting, then what about your politicians who have dual citizenships, who are hiding outside, who have properties outside, whose children cant even speak in Urdu, who have laundered money outside. Kapain Tang rahi hain, really that guy should your FM?

4. Nobody is saying PTI has done the best job ever but this discussion is about OP being able to vote or not.

You have exposed of your level of biasness and immaturity to an objective and intellectual argument.

File your taxes than vote......

Lol tax on inestment, by that logic every Pakistani pays sales tax....

Yes Faisal Vawda like dual nationals should not be in our system, why does Imran Khan back him?

 

[Major]

You posted IRS link with Zero knowledge of how IRS tax works for Citizens abroad.
You pay differential tax, if you have already paid tax in international country then you pay the difference if any.
US tax bracket is also based on income level, majority of time you don't have pay any US tax if you work outside of US but you have to file for it.

so you do file them. why cant overseas pakistanis just simply file and vote.

 

[Major]

lol HAHAHAHHAHA.
Dude you must get comedian of the month award.

"FILING" taxes is NOT the same as "PAYING" taxes.

Every American FILES a tax return but not PAY tax on their income.

Americans who live abroad, (singles who earn $108K and couples who earn less than $210K) outside the United States do NOT pay income tax.

They simple "File" tax returns with zero tax due. This means, they submit a form to the govt by showing their international income that has NO tax due because it's under the limit set.

Anyway,
It will be nice to visit Pakistan as a NON-Tax payer, and vote for IK if online voting option is not available.

where did i said filing is same as paying tax? your hte one who is making assumption.

Overseas can simply file their taxes in the pakistani system. But than again, people who are involved in hundi and hawala system, why would they file taxes

 

[Salma_T]

Agree plus you should have a primary residence in Pakistan. So you can vote in your constituency.
Last year, my mother sold all our properties and assets in Pakistan and moved to the US. So technically I do not have a residence in Pakistan. My in laws are there, but I should not be able to vote.

I live on Aus and can vote in the UK as I was registered to vote in the last 15 yrs and you must renew that every year. I do not have to pay taxes in the UK to hold this right. I think you should have been registered to vote at some point, as how can anyone just vote makes a mockery.

 

[Has]

How do overseas Pakistanis register to vote? Has anyone done this successfully?

 

[Saj]

I guess this policy will be revoked soon?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

I guess this policy will be revoked soon?

They will try to play a cunning move by reserving two seats in the parliament to represent about 9 MILLION overseas Pakistanis

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

They will try to play a cunning move by reserving two seats in the parliament to represent about 9 MILLION overseas Pakistanis

How can they get away with this?

 

[Savak]

Will overseas Pakistani's be willing to file tax returns and pay some taxes in Pakistan for the right to vote? I don't think it should be a big issue given that the US does it

 

[Saj]

Will overseas Pakistani's be willing to file tax returns and pay some taxes in Pakistan for the right to vote? I don't think it should be a big issue given that the US does it

Are all local Pakistanis who should be doing this, actually doing this?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Will overseas Pakistani's be willing to file tax returns and pay some taxes in Pakistan for the right to vote? I don't think it should be a big issue given that the US does it

I don't believe in overseas citizens voting in a foreign country anyway, but I would say that if Pakistanis paid their taxes honestly in the first place, they wouldn't need money from outside anyway. But these losers can't even hold out for election time to get rid of their govts. It's all yours mate. Have fun.

 

[Major]

Are all local Pakistanis who should be doing this, actually doing this?

Pakistanis are not forced to file taxes. It's pretty much optional for everyone. The only thing that has been done is that people who file tax they get relaxation on many products interms of price.

However non filers are forced to pay extra money on certainproducts like bank transaction fee, purchasing and selling land, buying a car paying road tax etc.

 

[Major]

I don't believe in overseas citizens voting in a foreign country anyway, but I would say that if Pakistanis paid their taxes honestly in the first place, they wouldn't need money from outside anyway. But these losers can't even hold out for election time to get rid of their govts. It's all yours mate. Have fun.

We have our own constitution and we will follow that thank you.

Just because you want an election no body cares lol. What do you expect, we stop following our constitution just because you want an election?

As an outsider you shouldnt be calling us as losers its our country and our constitution

 

[Saj]

Pakistanis are not forced to file taxes. It's pretty much optional for everyone. The only thing that has been done is that people who file tax they get relaxation on many products interms of price.

However non filers are forced to pay extra money on certainproducts like bank transaction fee, purchasing and selling land, buying a car paying road tax etc.

So making this compulsory for overseas Pakistanis as some have suggested is rather unfair it seems when the locals don't have to do it.

 

[Major]

So making this compulsory for overseas Pakistanis as some have suggested is rather unfair it seems when the locals don't have to do it.

Overseas have benefit in filing if they tend to send money as it wont be taxed heavily.

Anyways, those taxation thing is just some forummers like to say to mess with foreingn pakistanis

Right now its not confirm whether ivoting is allowed or not. Because imrans govt passed an ordinance on it i think not a bill, plus election comission pakistan might not approve it.

Even if they do, the problem is whether to adjust overseas pakistanis to the local constiuentcy or would they have to create new mna seats which would be a single seat per continent.

Plus than another issue is rigging, whether overseas can vote online from there home or atleast make them to the embassey.

Than they also have to make lists.

Alot of work to do for ecp

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We have our own constitution and we will follow that thank you.

Just because you want an election no body cares lol. What do you expect, we stop following our constitution just because you want an election?

As an outsider you shouldnt be calling us as losers its our country and our constitution

Why do you suddenly have a problem with outsiders criticising your constitution when you had no problem with westerners or Indians criticising it previously?

 

[Major]

Why do you suddenly have a problem with outsiders criticising your constitution when you had no problem with westerners or Indians criticising it previously?

What right does a self proclaimed outsider have to critisize our elections and constitution?

I dont have issues with you being a wannbe to be psrt of a group, but once you are stop caring what we do.

You dont wanna be part of it yet want to take an interest and critisize its people for who they vote who they elect their leader as.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What right does a self proclaimed outsider have to critisize our elections and constitution?

I dont have issues with you being a wannbe to be psrt of a group, but once you are stop caring what we do.

You dont wanna be part of it yet want to take an interest and critisize its people for who they vote who they elect their leader as.

This is a message board, just like Indians can criticise your army and and judiciary, so can we British. Deal with it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why do you suddenly have a problem with outsiders criticising your constitution when you had no problem with westerners or Indians criticising it previously?

Jealousy of outsiders, hence aspiring to be one.

 

[daytrader]

Govt mulls reserved seats for overseas Pakistanis


ISLAMABAD:
The new government is considering giving reserved seats to overseas Pakistanis instead of letting them cast their ballots through i-voting in the next general elections.

It is also deciding against using electronic voting machines (EVMs) in the next general polls as newly appointed Law Minister Azam Nazeer Tarar believes that a pilot project is necessary before putting them to use.

The new government has kicked off work on electoral reforms and sought suggestions from the coalition partners.

The law ministry has started taking stock of the legislation carried out during the previous PTI regime.

Tarar says that being a poor country, it is not possible for Pakistan to set up polling stations all over the world. Even in embassies and consulates, voting on such a large scale is not possible.

Last year, the previous PTI regime had stepped up the process of introducing electoral reforms in the country.

President Arif Alvi had asked the stakeholders to prepare a prototype of the EVMs for the lawmakers.

Chaired a meeting of the subcommittee on emerging technologies on i-voting at the Presidency, Alvi had underlined the need for expediting the i-voting process for overseas Pakistanis.

He had added that he would engage parliamentarians and members of other political parties for their support for the introduction of EVMs in the upcoming general elections.

Read More: Ready to use EVMs in Punjab LG polls: ECP

In November last year, the government and its allies had pulled off a victory against the opposition during a joint sitting of parliament by succeeding in passing the bills that pave the way for holding the next general elections in the country through the use of EVMs and giving around nine million overseas Pakistanis the right to cast their ballots in the 2023 polls though i-voting.

Surprisingly, the legislation pertaining to the electoral reforms -- The Election (Amendment) Bill, 2021 -- was deferred and only the bills related to using the EVMs and enabling overseas Pakistanis use i-voting were passed.

The opposition parties had condemned the PTI-led government for “hurriedly” passing bills during the joint sitting, claiming that EVMs, which were given the nod for use in the next general elections, could be tampered with to manipulate the results.

PPP leader Sherry Rehman had described November 17, 2021 as one of the darkest days in the country’s history.

She had added that parliament was deprived of the right to representation during the joint sitting.

“The whole voting process was trampled on in the presence of the speaker. The government passed laws which were rejected.”

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2353570/govt-mulls-reserved-seats-for-overseas-pakistanis

 

[bones]

Is it any surprise? They want to exclude the overseas Pakistanis and they want room for rigging.

 

[cric_man]

No overseas Pakistanis will be allowed to vote. But these 2 british babloos can be part of official Pakistani delegations on foreign visits.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Overseas Pakistanis should not be allowed to vote but they can form part of govt delegation to foreign states. &#55358;&#56614;*What's disturbing is not that politicians lie, but that their supporters defend their hypocrisy. <a href="https://t.co/QMrfgzTNJu">pic.twitter.com/QMrfgzTNJu</a></p>— SocialPariah (@Non_graata) <a href="https://twitter.com/Non_graata/status/1520365395097628673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 30, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>