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Pak "A" v Aus "A" (2nd test) score thread (17-20 sept)

Firstly whats all this Asim bashing. What exactly has Asim done wrong apart from looking and playing boring? The main factor is that he is solid and refrains from playing rash shots. Thats one thing the majority of the Pak batsman dont do, with the exception of Inzi and to a lesser degree Younis Khan. If i recall, its not a middle order problem Pakistan has but a top order one. If you dont believe me read Bobs latest article where he says that England start out as favourites because theres something wrong with Pakistan in test matches and its something he needs to sort out. That mafraid was an obvious reference to our pants top 3 batting order. Remember, Younis khan is a natural middle order batsman and due to our lack of quality batsman, he is being shoved up to number 3. Though he performed well against India, they clearly bowled alot worse from the last time they played us at home. England however will be a different prospect altogether.
 
Naveed said:
Others have won tests for Pakistan. Even Sami has done that.
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wow sami has contributed in 1 pakistan test win. asim made 99 v s.africa which contributed to a win. he scored 73 v india which contributed to a win.
 
Amjid Javed said:
why is he? is there sum law that says at 27 he cant get better?

:19: some proof behind ur theory please...

hasnt inzi improved in late age? :14:
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You do realize that he is 29 and not 27?
 
can't believe sami fans are complaining about asim.May be u should take a look at sami's performances before u go after kamal.
 
Good to know Hasan Raza is amongst the runs. He deserved an extended run a couple of years back after his performance vs the Australians, but in typical Pak fashion was discarded very soon after. I'd expect him to make the squad for the upcoming series although whether he makes it to the XI is doubtful .If he is selected it should be as a middle order bat - I wouldn't favour throwing him to open the innings as its not the role he is used to. Pakistan must play 5 bowlers which could mean taking a slight gamble with Afridi and Akmal coming in at 6 or 7. If Afridi opens, Hasan Raza could fit in at 6. But it is again questionable whether constantly changing the opening pair every series is a wise thing to do, keeping in mind Afridi has said he will not open abroad.
 
Naveed said:
You do realize that he is 29 and not 27?
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If he only plays test cricket, he still has around 6 good years of test cricket in him and alot can be improved, most of the Australian batsmen (Martyn, Langer, Hayden) made a come back to the team at the same age and I belive they served Australia pretty well.
 
Everyone here knows raza is much better player than asim kamal.But asim kamal has done his job consistently so far so raza cannot replace him
 
Elan Tedronai said:
Everyone here knows raza is much better player than asim kamal.But asim kamal has done his job consistently so far so raza cannot replace him
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Then why not have Younis Khan as an opener and Hassan Raza at number 3? All our openers are failures in test matches so 90 percent of the time Younis is practically opening the innings.
 
Nauman said:
Then why not have Younis Khan as an opener and Hassan Raza at number 3? All our openers are failures in test matches so 90 percent of the time Younis is practically opening the innings.
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have a look at my signature;-)
 
Elan Tedronai said:
Everyone here knows raza is much better player than asim kamal.But asim kamal has done his job consistently so far so raza cannot replace him
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Says who...????
You're trying to compare Hasan Raza's performances on 'A' tours and domestic cricket with Asim Kamal's performances in International matches....that's like comparing apples with oranges. Until and unless they are pitted against the same level of opposition under similar conditions no meaningful comparisons can be made between the two!
 
I think one of the issues about Hasan Raza was his attitude and the whether the hunger to succeed was there. One thing that really concerned me about Hasan was the lack of discipline, i.e. the fact that he has slept in on more than one occasion and missed team buses due to this.

However in my opinion, the lad deserves another chance but at whose expense is the question !
 
Amjid Javed said:
il tell you whats next... if hasan raza doesnt perform in next 10 test and someone like shahid yousaf scores well on fringes then it will be a typical muddy post kick hasan out and play shahid yousaf....


This sounds awfully similar to someone here that we know...anyone knows who I am talking about :21:
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Amjid Javed said:
:))) pakistan is full off miandad jnrs isnt it? :)))

i hope hasan raza plays next 10 test and if he doesnt average 50 he shud be kicked out....

Such high expectations..?

:))) true stupidity... seems to me you think pakistan is littered with bradman

why dont u name me the last pakistan batsmen to average 50 @ number 6

why dont u list me any pakistan batsmen in history of game to average 50

:))) :)))
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All this from someone who started asking for Bob's head, after just a couple of months in his office...even long before ICC trophy, you were posting anti Bob threads:9:
 
Elan Tedronai said:
have a look at my signature;-)
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You've got a point there. Considering Younis Khan is practically an opener and hes not that bad at that position, why not play him there. In that way, we can bring in Hasan Raza and give him a go.
 
Baron said:
Firstly whats all this Asim bashing. What exactly has Asim done wrong apart from looking and playing boring? The main factor is that he is solid and refrains from playing rash shots. Thats one thing the majority of the Pak batsman dont do, with the exception of Inzi and to a lesser degree Younis Khan. If i recall, its not a middle order problem Pakistan has but a top order one. If you dont believe me read Bobs latest article where he says that England start out as favourites because theres something wrong with Pakistan in test matches and its something he needs to sort out. That mafraid was an obvious reference to our pants top 3 batting order. Remember, Younis khan is a natural middle order batsman and due to our lack of quality batsman, he is being shoved up to number 3. Though he performed well against India, they clearly bowled alot worse from the last time they played us at home. England however will be a different prospect altogether.
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boring batsmen who graft and block are seen as sinners in pakistan and see as No good. :( :(

no wonder are test batting line up is a joke on most occasions!

players like asim and may others will always be ignored due to lack of excitement! sadly Most pakistan fans just want a top six of sloggers and shot players!
 
Sheikh_Ji said:
Says who...????
You're trying to compare Hasan Raza's performances on 'A' tours and domestic cricket with Asim Kamal's performances in International matches....that's like comparing apples with oranges. Until and unless they are pitted against the same level of opposition under similar conditions no meaningful comparisons can be made between the two!
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What about his performance three years ago vs the Aussies in Sharjah when they were the best in the world? This was a rampaging Aussie bowling attack which scythed the rest of our batsmen for next to nothing yet Hasan scored fifties in both innings!!
 
Amjid Javed said:
boring batsmen who graft and block are seen as sinners in pakistan and see as No good. :( :(

no wonder are test batting line up is a joke on most occasions!

players like asim and may others will always be ignored due to lack of excitement! sadly Most pakistan fans just want a top six of sloggers and shot players!
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Is Hasan Raza a slogger?
 
Mercenary said:
What about his performance three years ago vs the Aussies in Sharjah when they were the best in the world? This was a rampaging Aussie bowling attack which scythed the rest of our batsmen for next to nothing yet Hasan scored fifties in both innings!!
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Asim Kamal has played only ONE test against the aussies ...in far more difficult batting conditions (as compared to Sharjah) down under in Aus and scored 87 in one of the innings!

If you want to make any meaningful comparison between the two, they have to be played side by side...or have an extended run the national team. Comparisons between domestic performances against international performances are useless.

As things stand at the moment, Asim Kamal certainly does not deserve to be dropped, but he'll have to become more consistent
 
My team will solve all the problems.
Butt,Y.Khan,Raza,Inzi,Yoyo,Kamal,Kamran,Gul,Akhtar ,Rana,kaneria

At least this team has 400+ innings in them.Something sadly pakistan always lacked.Australia have been behind england everytime 450 runs were scored.If a 5 #th bowler is needed then afridi in for asim.

I just can't see brothers 400+ runs if we open with taufeeq,malik,farhat or afridi.

That's why i feel 3 top order grafters are needed.We need to grind england down
 
Sheikh_Ji said:
Asim Kamal has played only ONE test against the aussies ...in far more difficult batting conditions (as compared to Sharjah) down under in Aus and scored 87 in one of the innings!
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Dont change the goal posts. You said Raza is being considered based on domestic and A team performances and I clarified that he had performed against the very best when they were at their best and when the bowlers of that team had their tails up.

Hasan Raza has also played only one test vs the Aussies, the test match Asim played was the best batting wicket of the lot and the Pakistan team made their best score of the series (629 runs overall) during that match. The one match Hasan played vs Aus was one of the lowest scoring test matches in Pakistans history we made a total of 424 runs in both innings!

Hasan made 29% of the teams runs in that match and Asim made 15% of the teams runs in his match! Hasan's contribution was twice as great!!

Sheikh_Ji said:
As things stand at the moment, Asim Kamal certainly does not deserve to be dropped, but he'll have to become more consistent
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I agree he's done nothing to deserve being dropped but a winning team sometimes drops players who are still playing well (i.e. Aus with Bevan) in order to get even better. Our team isnt even a winning one!!
 
This will be my team for 1st test in Multan. Bob and Inzy have said recently that they will like to attack England with Spin, so I will not be surprised if we see spin dominated attack. So Malik & Afridi or may be Mushtaq have to be in the test's. Atleast in the Multan test as it is Batting wicket, well most of the Pakistan wickets are but thats beside the point. This will be the team most likely for the first test in Multan.

Like few folks here I am feel that Hasan Raza should be given a chance but that is not possible unless Kamal fails really bad in first two tests and why drop Kamal who has done quite good.

Most of the openers in the successful sides have been intially were asked to open by the coach or the captain(Justin Langer, Amir Shoail, Saeed Anwar and more).

I am all for giving a guy a chance anywhere there is a room. If Hasan Raza is as good as he looks from A tours, why dont make him a opener. Cause that is the only slot in batting, where we need a technically correct batsman. I will not be alone in Pakpassion who will say that Pakistan's major problem is our Openers. I think Tafeeq could have, should have been a good opener in long run but sad that Bob and Inzy didnt stick with him and now he is off the radar. Butt should be given a long run we should try to find a stable partner for him and give them 10 tests to show themselves. I belive in Salu, I think this boy has what it takes to be batting lengend. Inshallah we all will see in upcoming months if he is on his way to be batting great for pakistan.

This will be my team based on what is being said in press.

1-Malik or Raza
2-Butt
3-Y Khan
4-Inzy
5-YoYo
6-Kamal
7-Afridi or Razaaq
8-Akmal
9-Sami or Gul or Rana( Based on Form in pratice matches) /or Mushtaq (if a spin attack)
10-Akhtar
11-Dani
 
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Amjid Javed said:
wow sami has contributed in 1 pakistan test win. asim made 99 v s.africa which contributed to a win. he scored 73 v india which contributed to a win.
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i think you'll find that is wrong and you know it :9:
 
Pak A 348 all out

Mansoor Amjad made 82

no scorecard as yet
 
mansoor amjad seemz like a good all rounder...
his already picked up 5 wickets in this series.. and
now scored runz aswell...
 
Its a good score considering the start, yet still VERY dissapointing considering that this track is sooooo flat. The problem with any pakistan team is they can't get the REALLY big scores which take the opposition out of the game. Like making 500. They very rarely get the mandatory 400 score.
 
Not sure if the pitch was totally flat after it got flooded the other day.
 
I have heard on PTV news that the match has been drawn, Australia declared their 2nd inning on 181.
 
irshaad probably couldnt get it to reverse both ways due to the damp conditions.....
 
Poor game for Irshaad....there was a lot of talk about him, with his speed and reversing ability...didn't do much, did he?

I guess he must learn how to swing the new ball as well, if he hasn't done so already.

I reckon Gul should have played, it would have given him more match practise to help his fitness. I really want to see Gul play in the Test Matches.
 
i'm sure when the conditions become drier irshaad will soon be reversing it both ways with 90mph+ deliveries!!
 
i agree merc gul should have played...but i think the management got the weather forecast wrong..i think they expected it to be dry and that irshaad would be lethal with his reverse singers (both ways - in and out) at 90mph+....
 
Look at Gul from Bobs point of view, the uy had three stress fractures, even after a long rest he needs to brought to peak slowly there are more pratice matces to come
 
well Pakistan take the "test" series. Onwards to the ODIs :-
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[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]23 Sept 1st ODI Lahore[/font]
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]25 Sept 2nd ODI Lahore[/font]

[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]27 Sept 3rd ODI Lahore[/font]
 
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