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I'll pass thanks for the offer. If he wins an icc event amd achieves test dominance(He'll be made test cap eventually) then I'll change my mind.@Rana and @mominsaigol
An offer!
Rizwan has done what no Pakistani captain has managed to do for 22 years!
Rectify your mistake and acknowledge that Rizwan is great captain and wk batter for Pakistan. We will welcome you with open arms.
Hes a leachWell sidecoached azhar mahmood
In competitive sport and Aussie management are very professional. It’s not due to “non-seriousness”. I am surprised you couldn’t tell that their commentators and team are hurt and embarrassed.
It’s down to poor planning from Aus. Donald-Ball strategy wasn’t a good fit for the spicy conditions on offer early season.
As for poor planning, it happens. Pakistan perpetually under performs because of it. In fact, we too played a lot of losers even though we had better options available and lost to Aus.
Saim and kamran debuted. Hasnain came back with remodelled action. Fakhar was not there for show cause notice. So what?Matt short only played 7 odis before this series
Mcgurk only 2 odis before this series
Hardie only played 7 before this series
I don't know what your talking about they are not regulars
This is incorrect. You’re desperately going on a limb to somehow prove that Australia don’t care about this series at all. That is not true. International cricket will always be the holy grail and while Australia is a much better team overall, they know that Pakistan is not that far behind. This is the main reason their ODI and test teams are fully stacked when Pakistan tours generally, and it was this time around as well until the Aussie players requested for the break on the third ODI to prepare for the BGT.It's not poor planning. Australia know this format better than anyone else. Between the Australia A squad and the players preparing for BGT , they cannot keep pulling players from domestic as it will weaken their domestic season beyond recognition.
So they simply played with the T20 players.
Great bowling by pakistan. These were some 350 run pitchesShow someone these scores and he would think this was a t20 series
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Is that our problem.Yeah Australia felt so humiliated they couldn't bother to play half their team in series decider.
Nevertheless, congratulations to Rizwan nexus for beating the pawns to submission with their full strength attack.
Oh bhai Don't argue these guys are very stubborn
Actually it's even less matches for Pakistan player that what you stated as before the series matches should be posted.Abdullah Shafique- 14 ODIs
Saim Ayub, Kamran Ghulam and Irfan Niazi- 3 ODIs
Hasnain- 11 ODIs
Yeah experience excuse doesn’t work
No they will field with the team they played in 2nd ODI which got mauled by Bowlers and Saim.You think Australia are going field this team in ct25?
So their best player Travis not playing in the ct25No they will field with the team they played in 2nd ODI which got mauled by Bowlers and Saim.
Yes he will, so will be Fakhar who was not part of this series. So its even evenSo their best player Travis not playing in the ct25
Fakhar is a hit and miss nowhere near Travis head. Fakhar only shines every no and againYes he will, so will be Fakhar who was not part of this series. So its even even
But as per you and entire brigade Fakhar is the best white ball player Pak has ? Do you agree then Pak is mediocre team overall or you still say it is mediocre because Rizwan is part of it?Fakhar is a hit and miss nowhere near Travis head. Fakhar only shines every no and again
Yes he's the best pakistani standards but won't get into an Australian team Travis is way ahead of him even maxwell is.But as per you and entire brigade Fakhar is the best white ball player Pak has ? Do you agree then Pak is mediocre team overall or you still say it is mediocre because Rizwan is part of it?
You’re mixing up formats.Fakhar is a hit and miss nowhere near Travis head. Fakhar only shines every no and again
If Fakhar is onsong while the everyone else besides Travis head isn't on that day, Then Australia will 100% lose. An onsong Fakhar is that good.Yes he will, so will be Fakhar who was not part of this series. So its even even
Open a fakhar vs Travis head odi thread we will debate theirYou’re mixing up formats.
Travis Head overall is a better player, but in ODIs both are up there. A batter with an average of 47 and 11 centuries cannot be considered “hit and miss”.
The biggest problem with you guys is assuming other don't know a thing about cricket.Yes he's the best pakistani standards but won't get into an Australian team Travis is way ahead of him even maxwell is.
I don't know why your trying to debate me when you don't understand 10% of cricket
If you want to debate then open a thread but no runners of please
Many like you troll in match thread when it comes to debate you all take a runner
OK bro we won the world cup congratulationsThe biggest problem with you guys is assuming other don't know a thing about cricket.
But it is baffling to see how you are downplaying this series calling it Australia's C team when they already played their full strength in 2nd ODI. That reflects how well you understand the cricket and it's severely bad.
You are running out of excuses now, just accept it was a wonderful performance by Pak and deserved to win and Move on. There is no point coming up with So and so were not playing.
No it's not a world cup. It is something Pak won after 24 years. Something which everyone including you and me never expected a week ago.OK bro we won the world cup congratulations
In past Pakistan team were losing to Australia at home as well to their C teams. So this is a big achievement to get this team fight in alien conditions and beat a team that we struggle against no matter who is in their team. Of course a mediocre team has not become world beaters overnight but every step in right direction should be appreciated by fans and every glory cherished as this is what gives the team confidence to compete in more profile matches and against tougher teams.The biggest problem with you guys is assuming other don't know a thing about cricket.
But it is baffling to see how you are downplaying this series calling it Australia's C team when they already played their full strength in 2nd ODI. That reflects how well you understand the cricket and it's severely bad.
You are running out of excuses now, just accept it was a wonderful performance by Pak and deserved to win and Move on. There is no point coming up with So and so were not playing.
No doubt its a good win I don't see the reason going over the top like you guys want us tooNo it's not a world cup. It is something Pak won after 24 years. Something which everyone including you and me never expected a week ago.
We may and we may not, but that doesn't give us liberty to downplay the efforts they have put in this series.No doubt its a good win I don't see the reason going over the top like you guys want us too
But will this same team win a series in England vs England, in South Africa vs South Africa in India vs India and in newzealand vs newzealand?
So what you want us to do? Please explainWe may and we may not, but that doesn't give us liberty to downplay the efforts they have put in this series.
Head is at his peak, and he too will have plenty of "misses' when form dips. Also cricket is a team game it is easy batting when batsmen on the other side are also providing useful support. This also helped India as they had many world class batters in their team.Open a fakhar vs Travis head odi thread we will debate their
Well pak got the mantra at home with spin pitches they should be fine with noman and sajid shaheen will work in away tours.odi and t20 pakistan will always be fine.
tests is where pacers struggle with bowling intensity and stamina
also shaheen is not good enough
My point still stands - it is ONLY ONE game. Surely playing your key players will not have a significant impact on their prep.This series doesn't hold much significance for Australia; their focus is squarely on preparing for the Champions Trophy 2025. You can downplay their performance now, but by the time CT25 rolls around, they'll be a fully tuned, well-prepared team.
I’ve been saying this from day one, especially when they were experimenting with their bowling lineup in the first ODI. Yet, some people think I’m just trying to undermine Rizwan's captaincy.
These series are primarily about testing new players, assessing who can fit into the squad, and finding the right combinations. Not every team, takes these matches as seriously as Pakistan does.
On the other hand, Pakistan tends to play their full-strength playing xi against teams like Nepal and then hype up individual performances, such as a player scoring 151 off 131 balls, as if it's an extraordinary achievement.
It's all about perspective, and while those performances might seem impressive in the context of those series, it doesn't carry the same weight as preparing for bigger tournaments like the Champions Trophy or world cup
What’s that got to do with this thread? Or cricket in general?Nothing can stop the decree of the Almighty
No doubt
It is what it is.
Let me put it this way.No doubt its a good win I don't see the reason going over the top like you guys want us too
But will this same team win a series in England vs England, in South Africa vs South Africa in India vs India and in newzealand vs newzealand?
Who asked Australia to lose the second ODI with Cummins, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood, Labuschagne, Maxwell etc.?Yeah Australia felt so humiliated they couldn't bother to play half their team in series decider.
Nevertheless, congratulations to Rizwan nexus for beating the pawns to submission with their full strength attack.
My point still stands - it is ONLY ONE game. Surely playing your key players will not have a significant impact on their prep.
One game that will decide the outcome of a home series? Regardless of how important or unimportant, this decision was downright stupid.
I’m not debating about how big or small this win is.In all three games, they were missing key players. This game they had six or seven players out, while the other games also saw two or three main players missing.
It’s still a good win, but if you people want to act like this Pakistan team just beat the 2000-era Australian team, that’s up to you.
I’m not going to go overboard and jump up and down like a clown going crazy for Rizwan saying "oh rizwan oh rizwan"
I don’t even do that for Amir or the players I support.
Other than head and to a lesser extent marsh this was a full strength Aus X1 for the first 2 ODI s.In all three games, they were missing key players. This game they had six or seven players out, while the other games also saw two or three main players missing.
It’s still a good win, but if you people want to act like this Pakistan team just beat the 2000-era Australian team, that’s up to you.
I’m not going to go overboard and jump up and down like a clown going crazy for Rizwan saying "oh rizwan oh rizwan"
I don’t even do that for Amir or the players I support.
Its no point explaining to you for you to understand you need to understand how Australian cricket works.I’m not debating about how big or small this win is.
Anyhow, Australia was pretty much full strength in the first two ODIs. All teams make slight tweaks to lineup in the name of trying new faces - doesn’t mean they are weakened. Going by your logic, Pak was also missing Fakhar and Imam - does that make us a weakened side?
But yes, in the 3rd ODI, Aus was truly weakened and I think it was very illogical decision on their part.
I don’t know why you keep on harping about how significant or insignificant this victory is. Where have I made any remarks regarding that?Its no point explaining to you for you to understand you need to understand how Australian cricket works.
The team pakistan are playing is 99% the same team you will see in ct25
but you won't see the same team For Australia in ct25 in ct25 they will have their best available players.
If you watched the full series even in the first odi you will see Australia were experimenting with their bowling line up you had about 8 different players bowling
2nd odi pakistan won with their own effort
3rd odi Australia rested players and preparing for the test vs India which ar more important to them than winning a series vs pakistan
Point is I'm not delusional yes we beat Australia in Australia but that doesn't mean we have become a top team over night and will smash teams like South Africa England newzealand and India for fun
Better to accept our weakness and prepare for CT25 than being delusional and thinking we have become world beaters overnight.
1) Fakhar ZamanLet me put it this way.
They will have a much better chance than the players that you, @Rana, @mominsaigol, @CerebralPatriot want to have in the team.
Its no point explaining to you for you to understand you need to understand how Australian cricket works.
The team pakistan are playing is 99% the same team you will see in ct25
but you won't see the same team For Australia in ct25 in ct25 they will have their best available players.
If you watched the full series even in the first odi you will see Australia were experimenting with their bowling line up you had about 8 different players bowling
2nd odi pakistan won with their own effort
3rd odi Australia rested players and preparing for the test vs India which ar more important to them than winning a series vs pakistan
Point is I'm not delusional yes we beat Australia in Australia but that doesn't mean we have become a top team over night and will smash teams like South Africa England newzealand and India for fun
Better to accept our weakness and prepare for CT25 than being delusional and thinking we have become world beaters overnight.
Matt Short and jfm aren't seasoned by any means, neither is Spencer and Morris.So what most team apart from pakistan rotate their squads and blood in players through odis and t20s .
You can beat only what's on paper
And pakistan dominated comprehensively, even these second string aussie players are seasoned pros and their future players ,they don't hand out caps to rubbish players or have selections based on merit not sifarish or nepotism or quotas.
Stopped reading when you picked Usman over Rizwan, but whatever floats your boat.1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saim Ayub
3) Babar(If in form, Otherwise can trust Saud or Kamran ghulam)
4) Usman Khan (WK)
5) Tayyab Tahir
6) Salman Ali Agha (C)
7) Sajid Khan
8) Mubashir Khan/ Jamal
9) Shaheen
10) Rauf
11) Ali Raza/Husnain/ Naseem
^^ This is what I want for CT
Let's replace Usman for Rizwan and have rizzu as captain, what about then?Stopped reading when you picked Usman over Rizwan, but whatever floats your boat.
Usman is not even a better batsman, but even if he was, I wouldn’t have him over Rizwan because he isn’t even half the keeper.
Replace Usman for whom?Let's replace Usman for Rizwan and have rizzu as captain, what about then?
Rizwan, put rizwan at 4 and everyone else as is? Any issues with the squad?Replace Usman for whom?
That is a trash line up with so many flaws.1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saim Ayub
3) Babar(If in form, Otherwise can trust Saud or Kamran ghulam)
4) Usman Khan (WK)
5) Tayyab Tahir
6) Salman Ali Agha (C)
7) Sajid Khan
8) Mubashir Khan/ Jamal
9) Shaheen
10) Rauf
11) Ali Raza/Husnain/ Naseem
^^ This is what I want for CT
They had the best numbers in champions cup. Abdullah was trash and needs to be kicked to the curbThat is a trash line up with so many flaws.
Are you serious TT and UK in a one day starting X1
So what most team apart from pakistan rotate their squads and blood in players through odis and t20s .
You can beat only what's on paper
And pakistan dominated comprehensively, even these second string aussie players are seasoned pros and their future players ,they don't hand out caps to rubbish players or have selections based on merit not sifarish or nepotism or quotas.
Graeme hick and mark raprakash were famous for having great numbers in county cricket but they were no Lara s on the international stage.That is a trash line up with so many flaws.
Are you serious TT and UK in a one day starting X1
Graeme hick and mark raprakash were famous for having great numbers in county cricket but they were no Lara s on the international stage.They had the best numbers in champions cup. Abdullah was trash and needs to be kicked to the curb
Saud and KG yes.Graeme hick and mark raprakash were famous for having great numbers in county cricket but they were no Lara s on the international stage.
Trescothick had poor numbers in county cricket when he was picked but we all know how he did in International cricket.
Numbers are not a be all or end all criteria.
ABD , Saud, KG, IK are far better players than these two.
Abdullah is 100 times the player who you want in Tayyab Tahir.They had the best numbers in champions cup. Abdullah was trash and needs to be kicked to the curb
Where did I name a line-up???.Saud and KG yes.
Irfan Khan and Abdullah hell no. Not even close.
And both KG and saud shouldn't be in the sane lineup. You need one accumulator who can bat through not 2
Name your 11 let's hear it thenWhere did I name a line-up???.
I mentioned players that are better than the one s you said.
ABD has international pedigree.
Irfan is going to be a good player in the short formats.
You put both TT and UK in your ODI line-up
As of now I would go with the following X1 but come closer to the CT form , fitness and conditions on the day will determine the X1 for that game.Name your 11 let's hear it then
What was your prediction before the series bossOK mate this match is equivalent to world cup final and rizwan is the imran khan of 1992
3-0 to full strength AustraliaWhat was your prediction before the series boss
How many odis has Abdullah,Saim,Karam,Agha played ?Matt short only played 7 odis before this series
Mcgurk only 2 odis before this series
Hardie only played 7 before this series
I don't know what your talking about they are not regulars
No mention of Australia in thier ?Oh bhai Don't argue these guys are very stubborn
just agree pakistan are the best team in the world, and will trash india newzealand England and South Africa with their eyes closed
Untill reality hits them in few months time and they will have knives out for all players in the team
Its no point explaining to you for you to understand you need to understand how Australian cricket works.
The team pakistan are playing is 99% the same team you will see in ct25
but you won't see the same team For Australia in ct25 in ct25 they will have their best available players.
If you watched the full series even in the first odi you will see Australia were experimenting with their bowling line up you had about 8 different players bowling
2nd odi pakistan won with their own effort
3rd odi Australia rested players and preparing for the test vs India which ar more important to them than winning a series vs pakistan
Point is I'm not delusional yes we beat Australia in Australia but that doesn't mean we have become a top team over night and will smash teams like South Africa England newzealand and India for fun
Better to accept our weakness and prepare for CT25 than being delusional and thinking we have become world beaters overnight.
Only Abdullah and Saim batted, and both of them have played international cricket before—they aren’t new.How many odis has Abdullah,Saim,Karam,Agha played ?