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Pakistan and India confirm ceasefire ‘with immediate effect’

Journalism isn't verifiable proof.

Either Pak come out with proof or wait for an Indian/French govt statement.

Why would the Indian govt do it in the middle of a conflict?

This ain't a video game where you display your trophies.

Also not publicly revealing Pakistani air losses means Pak awaam can be sold the chooran of "20 Rafales lost" and they can de-escalate, which is the preference of both governments.

Thing is India literally "bombed" Pakistan but Pakistan is now de-escalating without retaliating. Why would anyone prevent that?
The only proof their defense minister gave is that it's in social media.
 
India is attacking with missile and drone inside Pakistan and Pakistani still counting How many jets and drone down. :kp
 
Multiple sources have mentioned Pakistan NSA and Ajit Doval have spoken.

Not sure whether this about de-escalation or Pakistan giving India a heads up that a retaliatory strike is imminent

I welcome this.

I hope Pakistan is able to make the right call and offer to unconditionally cooperate in eliminating terrorism within their territory. That’s all we demand from Pakistan as a responsible neighbour. Is it too much
 
I welcome this.

I hope Pakistan is able to make the right call and offer to unconditionally cooperate in eliminating terrorism within their territory. That’s all we demand from Pakistan as a responsible neighbour. Is it too much
Wouldn't they have already done something about it if they were indeed responsible people? What more needs to be said when UN designated and internationally sanctioned terrorists roam around the country openly without any fear and are VVIP's there. And lastly, does anything need to be said after the OBL saga?​
 
I did though and this is what it says -

Two or three Indian aircraft went down inside India’s border, according to Indian officials, Western diplomats and local media reports. Pakistan, for its part, claims it shot down five planes and at least one drone: three Rafale fighter jets, one MIG-29 fighter aircraft, one Su-30 fighter jet and one Heron drone.

The New York Times was unable to independently verify these claims.

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After Pakistan caught lying using fake images of children's death, it is very tough to buy anything coming from them. However, by no means I am stopping your celebration...go ahead.
Not sure if you have comprehension issues, but it doesn't even quote Pakistan in the first sentence.
 
I welcome this.

I hope Pakistan is able to make the right call and offer to unconditionally cooperate in eliminating terrorism within their territory. That’s all we demand from Pakistan as a responsible neighbour. Is it too much
Before any of this, India must stop supporting terrorism via BLA, TTP etc.
 
Operation Sindoor: What’s the significance of India’s Pakistan targets?

The Indian military launched multiple missile attacks targeting sites in Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir early on Wednesday in an attack it called Operation Sindoor. The Pakistani military claims to have retaliated, shooting down multiple Indian military planes.

At least 31 Pakistanis have been killed in the six targeted cities, according to Lieutenant Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry, the director general of the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) media wing of Pakistan’s military. India says it struck nine sites.

But what’s the significance of the cities and sites that India attacked? And what are India and Pakistan saying about those strikes? And why did India launch these attacks in the first place?

Why did India strike Pakistan?

The missiles were India’s response to the deadly April 22 attack on tourists in Indian-administered Kashmir in Pahalgam, during which 26 men were killed.

An armed group called The Resistance Front (TRF), which demands independence for Kashmir, claimed responsibility for the Pahalgam attack. India claims that the TRF is an offshoot of Pakistan-based armed group, the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT). Islamabad has denied its involvement in the Pahalgam attack and has asked for a neutral investigation into the incident.

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However, since the attack, India has suspended its participation in the Indus Waters Treaty that Pakistan relies on for its water supply. Pakistan has responded by threatening to suspend its participation in the Simla Agreement, a pact signed in 1972 following the Indo-Pakistan War. Both countries have also scaled back their diplomatic ties, and each has expelled the other’s citizens.

How has India justified the attacks?

India claims it hit “terrorist infrastructure”, targeting organisations including the LeT and Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM), an armed group based in Pakistan which claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing in February 2019, which killed 40 Indian paramilitary soldiers in Pulwama in Indian-administered Kashmir.

In a briefing on Wednesday, Indian Foreign Secretary Vikram Misri insisted that the missile strikes “focused on dismantling the terrorist infrastructure and disabling terrorists likely to be sent across to India”.

Joining Misri in the briefing, Indian military officials Colonel Sofiya Qureshi and Wing Commander Vyomika Singh detailed the operation. Five of the nine sites that India hit, they said, were in Pakistan-administered Kashmir. The remaining four were in Punjab – in Bahawalpur, Muridke, Shakar Garh and a village near Sialkot.

During the briefing, the Indian military showed a map marking out what it claimed were 21 “terrorist camps” in Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Al Jazeera has not been able to independently verify the claims of either the Indian or Pakistani militaries.

What has Pakistan said about the sites attacked?

Chaudhry of the ISPR described the Indian strikes as an “unprovoked attack, targeting innocent people”. He indicated that India had launched a total of 24 strikes across six locations in Pakistan and Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

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Chaudhry said at least 31 civilians, including women and children, had been killed, and dozens more were injured. He claimed mosques and residential areas were targeted, killing and injuring civilians.

What’s the significance of the sites targeted by India?

The Indian missile strikes represent the most extensive attacks on Pakistani soil outside the four wars that the nuclear-armed neighbours have fought. They also mark the first time since the war of 1971 that India has attacked Punjab, Pakistan’s most populated province and historical and economic hub.

Unlike previous aerial attacks by India in Pakistan or in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, some of these strikes targeted large population centres. Muridke is next to Lahore, Pakistan’s second-most populous city. Sialkot and Bahawalpur are major cities, too.

But many of the sites chosen as targets by India also hold specific strategic importance, at least from New Delhi’s perspective. Here’s a breakdown:

Muridke, Punjab

Muridke is a city in Punjab’s Sheikhupura District, peppered with totems of historical memory from the Mughal, Mauryan and Gupta eras.

Chaudhry said a mosque named Masjid Ummul Qura was targeted with four strikes. One man was killed and one man was injured as a result. Two people have been missing from this location, Chaudhry said, adding that surrounding residential quarters have also been damaged in these attacks.

But the town, according to India and much of the international community, also hosts the headquarters of the Jamat-ud-Dawa, a charity organisation that New Delhi insists is a front for the LeT.

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On Wednesday, India’s Qureshi claimed that Indian missiles struck the LeT’s Markaz Taiba camp in Muridke. The Indian army claimed that key perpetrators of the 2008 Mumbai attack – including Ajmal Kasab, the sole gunman who was captured alive after that assault on India’s financial capital – were trained at that camp.

Meanwhile, images emerging from Muridke showed rescuers searching for victims amid the debris of a damaged government health and education complex.

Bahawalpur, Punjab

Chaudhry said that four Indian missiles struck Ahmedpur Sharqia, a town near Bahawalpur, targeting a mosque named Masjid Subhan, which was destroyed in the attack. He said that at least five people were killed in the attack, including two men, two women, and a three-year-old girl. Additionally, he said, 31 people were injured – 25 men and six women. He added that four “residential quarters”, where civilian families were living, were damaged.

But Qureshi said India had hit the headquarters of the JeM, called Markaz Subhanallah. India described the site as a hub for “recruitment, training and indoctrination”.

Muzaffarabad, Pakistan-administered Kashmir

Muzaffarabad is the capital city of Pakistan-administered Kashmir, located at the confluence of the Jhelum and Neelum rivers. Muzaffarabad is sustained by its cottage industry ecosystem, including furniture making, wood carving, garment making and embroidery work, according to the State Bank of Pakistan.

Chaudhry said that a mosque called Masjid e Bilal was hit in Muzaffarabad, and a “young girl was injured”.

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But Qureshi said India hit a LeT training centre, Sawai Nala camp in Muzaffarabad, 30km (19 miles) away from the Line of Control (LoC), the de facto border that separates Indian-administered and Pakistan-administered Kashmir. She claimed that those responsible for multiple attacks, including the April 22 Pahalgam killings, were trained at this camp.

The Indian military officials also said they attacked a Jaish-e-Muhammad “staging area”, the Syedna Bilal camp in Muzaffarabad. A staging area refers to a place where people, vehicles and equipment are assembled and readied before being assigned a mission.

Kotli, Pakistan-administered Kashmir

Kotli is a city along the Poonch river and is an agricultural and tourist hub.

Chaudhry said a mosque named Masjid Abbas was targeted in Kotli. A 16-year-old girl and an 18-year-old boy were killed. At least two other people were injured, he added.

Qureshi, however, said that India hit a LeT base, Gulpur camp, about 30km (19 miles) away from the LoC. The Indian army added that it also struck what it called the Abbas camp in Kotli, 13km (8 miles) away from the LoC, where Qureshi said up to 15 “terrorists” could be trained at a time.

Qureshi said India has also hit Mehmoona Joya, which she described as a facility of the Hizbul Mujahideen (HuM), a rebel group based in Indian-administered Kashmir. The HuM was founded by separatist leader Muhammad Ahsan Dar in September 1989, with a pro-Pakistan ideology, calling for India to leave the parts of Kashmir that it administers.

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Bhimber, Pakistan-administered Kashmir

Qureshi claimed India struck what India called the Barnala camp in Bhimber, about 9km (5.6 miles) away from the LoC. She claimed that fighters were trained in using weapons, improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and in jungle survival at this camp.

Pakistani officials had not mentioned Bhimber as the site of any of the Indian attacks by late Wednesday evening. However, Bhimber is just south of Kotli, so it is unclear whether a missile strike on Bhimber is being counted by Pakistan as among the attacks on Kotli.

Sialkot, Punjab

Sialkot is one of Pakistan’s most important industrial centres for the manufacture of surgical items, sporting goods and leather products.

Chaudhry said that a village north of Sialkot called Kotli Loharan was targeted in two strikes. One of these strikes misfired and did not explode, while the other landed in an open field, resulting in no damage, Chaudhry said.

India’s Qureshi and Singh, however, claimed that India had struck what they called the Sarjal camp in Sialkot. They claimed this was the training centre for those responsible for the killing of four police officers in March this year in Indian-administered Kashmir.

Shakar Garh, Punjab

Chaudhry said Shakar Garh was targeted with two strikes and reported “minor damage” to a “small hospital, a dispensary”.

However, Indian military officials have not mentioned Shakar Garh among the places targeted in the May 7 strikes.

SOURCE; https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...tent&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
 
That’s just Pakistan refusing to act on terrorism by making lame excuses.

You have your own internal problems with unhappy Baloch, Afghans. Don’t put it on us.

Yeah, with excuses like these from India and/or Indians, I wouldn't expect any change.
 
Wouldn't they have already done something about it if they were indeed responsible people? What more needs to be said when UN designated and internationally sanctioned terrorists roam around the country openly without any fear and are VVIP's there. And lastly, does anything need to be said after the OBL saga?​

It’s their moment to correct things.
 
Pakistan wants to attack really bad, I have no doubts about it, but the country is so far outmatched that even the biggest maniacs will think twice before attempting anything.
 
Not sure if you have comprehension issues, but it doesn't even quote Pakistan in the first sentence.
Bro I may have comprehension issues but you are simply embarrassing yourself in open theatre. This is what the article says which you posted...read again slowly and if you understand English let us know what you make out of it -

Pakistan, for its part, claims it shot down five planes and at least one drone: three Rafale fighter jets, one MIG-29 fighter aircraft, one Su-30 fighter jet and one Heron drone.

The New York Times was unable to independently verify these claims.

:facepalm
 
Bro I may have comprehension issues but you are simply embarrassing yourself in open theatre. This is what the article says which you posted...read again slowly and if you understand English let us know what you make out of it -

Pakistan, for its part, claims it shot down five planes and at least one drone: three Rafale fighter jets, one MIG-29 fighter aircraft, one Su-30 fighter jet and one Heron drone.

The New York Times was unable to independently verify these claims.

:facepalm
You omitted the sentence before where they quoted Indian and Western officials. As I said, you have comprehension issues bar none.
 
No attack from Pakistan so far, all unverified tweets , response will take time that the Indian hierarchy knows as mentioned by their analysts Maj Gen Rajan & Gen Dua
 
What happened with the irrefutable dossier Pakistan shared with the world 5 years ago? Did India's terrorism get exposed or did no one take you guys seriously?

You guys have this weird obsession of getting buy-in from Western countries. In any case, you guys got exposed by US and Canada not long ago, so almost no one takes your crocodile tears seriously anymore vis-a-vis Pakistan. That's cool for you and all, but at the end of the day your points can only be taken seriously if you come clean about your own terrorism and stop supporting them.
 
Pakistan wants to attack really bad, I have no doubts about it, but the country is so far outmatched that even the biggest maniacs will think twice before attempting anything.

Dropping your jets, decimnating your army camps and approaching Amritsar are good enough attempts as a response. You have been attacked so bad that you are targeting other cities now in desperation. Keep making it worse and it is going to keep getting worse for you. Indian cowards thought Pakistan will just sit around to be attacked, Indian terrorists are getting a befitting response
 
You omitted the sentence before where they quoted Indian and Western officials. As I said, you have comprehension issues bar none.

:trollface

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Two or three Indian aircraft went down inside India’s border, according to Indian officials, Western diplomats and local media reports. Pakistan, for its part, claims it shot down five planes and at least one drone: three Rafale fighter jets, one MIG-29 fighter aircraft, one Su-30 fighter jet and one Heron drone.

The New York Times was unable to independently verify these claims.


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What NY times saying here is, According to Indian officials two or three Indian aircrafts went down. Then there is a full stop. Then they went onto add Pakistani claims. However, NY times is saying they cant independently verify both the claim.


:facepalm:
 
You guys have this weird obsession of getting buy-in from Western countries. In any case, you guys got exposed by US and Canada not long ago, so almost no one takes your crocodile tears seriously anymore vis-a-vis Pakistan. That's cool for you and all, but at the end of the day your points can only be taken seriously if you come clean about your own terrorism and stop supporting them.
All this dancing around suggests that the dossier was a waste of paper and didn't achieve anything.

And we can't take our terrorism seriously if you can't prove it. Pakistani proofs don't hold much water in a non-Pakistani landscape.
 
We must welcome this move.
But where are the assurances on anti terror cooperation from Shehbaz bhai?

Even Canada and US called you out on terrorism recently, which Pakistan has been calling you out for a long time. How are you going to assure Hindutva Terrorists will be dealth with in India?
 
Dropping your jets, decimnating your army camps and approaching Amritsar are good enough attempts as a response. You have been attacked so bad that you are targeting other cities now in desperation. Keep making it worse and it is going to keep getting worse for you. Indian cowards thought Pakistan will just sit around to be attacked, Indian terrorists are getting a befitting response
Approaching Amritsar and beyond indeed will be a worthy response. Just do it outside twitter and photoshop.
 
All this dancing around suggests that the dossier was a waste of paper and didn't achieve anything.

And we can't take our terrorism seriously if you can't prove it. Pakistani proofs don't hold much water in a non-Pakistani landscape.

If you are talking about "non-Pakistani landscape", I will remind you sympathies you get from other countries are not against the Pakistani government, just terrorist groups. So no one really cares whenever you accuse the Pakistani government. Whatever sanctions, etc you got were against non-state actors.

But seriously, you want to prove to a thief that he's a thief? When was the last time someone proved Saudi Arabia supports terrorism, despite it being widely believed?

In any case, you can dance around the issue however much you want, but this constant denial from Indians, pretending India is pure and innocent, and always a victim, is not going to result in much change either. Either come clean and stop supporting terrorism, or don't expect any change.
 
Well that stupidity resulted in Justin Trudu bhai killing his political career. Canadians labelled him a disaster for supporting Khalistani terrorists and ruining relationships with Bharat, US etc.

Be our guests and go down the same path.
Always the victims baaji :qdkcheeky
 
Well that stupidity resulted in Justin Trudu bhai killing his political career. Canadians labelled him a disaster for supporting Khalistani terrorists and ruining relationships with Bharat, US etc.

Be our guests and go down the same path.
What are you talking about? Do you live in an alternative universe? Nothing like that happened in Canada. Canadians were firmly behind him on that particular issue. His political career died because of immigration and inflation.
 
Well that stupidity resulted in Justin Trudu bhai killing his political career. Canadians labelled him a disaster for supporting Khalistani terrorists and ruining relationships with Bharat, US etc.

Be our guests and go down the same path.

You think because he called you out on your terrorism is what ended his career? How absolutely clueless are you about world's politics or this is what was being said in Godi media? Canada is still calling you sponsoring and carrying out terrorism in their soil and in other soil even when Trudeau is not there.

I ask you again how are you going to ensure Hindutva terrorism is taken care of within India? Put emotions on the side, don't forget your PM was a designated Terorrist and was on no US fly list before he became a PM. How Hindutva terror menace will be completely destroyed in India by Indians?
 
Indians denying Indian government officials quoted in western media. Can you imagine these clowns and their reaction if Pakistani officials were in western media if something similar happened? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
What are you talking about? Do you live in an alternative universe? Nothing like that happened in Canada. Canadians were firmly behind him on that particular issue. His political career died because of immigration and inflation.

How is that not linked to what just said? Justinder was pandering to the Khalistani vote bank for years and got the boot for it.

It’s been a massive L for Canada. They have never been humiliated in international politics like last whole year firstly with China , then Bharat and in last few months Trump gang has been tearing them apart for fun.
 
Locals and an official say an aircraft crashed in India’s Punjab state as India carried out Pakistan strikes

Eyewitnesses and a local official in northern India’s Punjab have told CNN a plane crashed out of the night sky on Wednesday — around the same time Pakistan claims to have shot down five Indian jets.

India has not commented on the claims, nor can CNN independently verify them.

Eyewitness accounts: An agricultural worker who lives in Aklain Kalan village in Bathinda in Punjab said he heard a loud explosion around 1:15 a.m. on Wednesday.

“It was an unidentified aircraft that had crashed. We rushed to it and sparks were coming out of it.”

He said one person died and several were injured from the fire.

“I made a few videos of the incident but was asked to delete them by the authorities.”

A grocery store owner who lives near the site of the crash said he and his family also heard the explosions.

“It was very scary. We all sat and stared at the fire. After the aircraft fell, it continued to make some noises before it kept burning. Yes, people have been injured in the village.”

CNN has chosen not to name the eyewitnesses.

A local government official confirmed to CNN that an aircraft crashed into a wheat field in Aklain Kalan village in Bathinda, Punjab at around 2 a.m. that night. He said the aircraft was unidentified but “seems to be ours.”

Indian media reports: While there have been no reports or official confirmation from authorities on any crash in Punjab, Indian media outlets have reported an aircraft crashed at the site around the same time, with one dead and nine injured.

Dr Dheera Gupta at a government hospital near the crash site told CNN that 10 people were brought to her hospital, of whom one was declared dead.

It is not clear who the aircraft belonged to.

CNN
 
Always the victims baaji :qdkcheeky

It's absolutely hilarious how quickly they change tone. Now foreign nation calling their extremist BJP and RSS as terror cells is not trustworthy either. Other nations calling them out on their terrorism is not right, UN calling them out on terrorism in IOK for decades is not right, foreign media confirming Indian jets getting destroyed is not right etc etc..... #OperationMaangUjaar tu en ka khatam ho jae ga but #OperationDenial will always stay with the tag Indian
 
How is that not linked to what just said? Justinder was pandering to the Khalistani vote bank for years and got the boot for it.

It’s been a massive L for Canada. They have never been humiliated in international politics like last whole year firstly with China , then Bharat and in last few months Trump gang has been tearing them apart for fun.

Man, you are delusional to the highest order when it comes to this topic at least. Immigration here meant allowing too many immigrants. Nothing to do with whatever imagination you've concocted in your mind. If this is how most people in India think, no wonder they live in a massive bubble where whole world cares about India.
 
Clear signs of Pakistani civilian leadership now being out of sync with the military dictatorship over this misadventure in Pehelgam.


How much more tax payers money is Pakistan military willing to put on the line for a fake sense of pride that their countrymen are struggling to associate with ?
 
Poonch shelling gone quiet ever since Indian army put their focus on Lahore and now we’re hearing more and more reports of third party intervention being sought by Pakistan civilian leadership.

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All over social media
Khawaja Asif
 
Things are escalating very quickly. Pakistan better back down. They cant afford a war in their dire state, its not good for the poeple of Pakistan. Pakistan own people doesnt back their government and army.
 
Pakistan geography and location and concentration of institutions of their major cities is just not ideal for modern warfare. India knows every weak point of Pakistan. They don’t need to physically cross the international border to inflict major pain.
 
Baaji jaan, dont dodge the question. How are you going to ensure that Bharat won't be used as a hub for Hindudva terrorism locally and internationally which has been called out by International bodies?
 
Baaji jaan, dont dodge the question. How are you going to ensure that Bharat won't be used as a hub for Hindudva terrorism locally and internationally which has been called out by International bodies?

Bhai at least make a point worthy of debate. Hindutva terrorism in Pakistan? 🤦🏻 How do you expect me respond to that. It was ok until allegation of financial support to BLA etc
 
Clear signs of Pakistani civilian leadership now being out of sync with the military dictatorship over this misadventure in Pehelgam.


How much more tax payers money is Pakistan military willing to put on the line for a fake sense of pride that their countrymen are struggling to associate with ?
Yeh woh log hain jinko baad main Pakistan bill main ghussa ke Chittar pherai ga

He should know Pakistan has a designated separate budget to delete India if it must. These kind of paindu uncles are not privy to this information, they are only privy to daawats and khaana peena information.
 
I am surprised the dictatorship hasn’t blocked ARY news yet given how it’s exposed Pakistan being clueless against incoming attack drones.
 
Yeh woh log hain jinko baad main Pakistan bill main ghussa ke Chittar pherai ga

He should know Pakistan has a designated separate budget to delete India if it must. These kind of paindu uncles are not privy to this information, they are only privy to daawats and khaana peena information.

I’m also surprised. I thought Pak military had a greater control over who spoke what on news channels but seems like the civilian leadership is about to throw them under the bus here seeing an opportunity in war.

You have a lot of traitors to take care.

A lot more than us.
 
Day 2 only going in Bharat’s way so far

  • PAF - Unable and unwilling to cross the line. No proportional retaliation from Pakistan for IAF’s 9/9 operation yesterday
  • Pakistan unable to defend itself from the smallest UAVs being used by Bharat so far
  • Civilian leadership in Pakistan showing early signs of being out of sync with military dictatorship
  • Chinese trolls gone super quiet today on social media after Indian drones made a mockery of their defense technologies

So far, heavy shelling in Poonch yesterday is the only opening Pakistan army has managed to exploit.

India dominating overall
 
So it’s 1 Rafale down?

Can we settle the debate at that if you all agree ?
@Kriketer @Rajdeep @Devadwal @DeadlyVenom @Major
Why should we settle anything? You guys have jumped around for days calling us out for not questioning our government, smugly ignoring evidence and basing it on your media sources.

Now when the cat is out the bag and your government and media lips are still sealed, rather than question their disinformation campaign you want to use to provide further evidences and engage in pointless debated.

If GOI can lie about the jets I wonder what else they can and have lied about.
 
Day 2 only going in Bharat’s way so far

  • PAF - Unable and unwilling to cross the line. No proportional retaliation from Pakistan for IAF’s 9/9 operation yesterday
  • Pakistan unable to defend itself from the smallest UAVs being used by Bharat so far
  • Civilian leadership in Pakistan showing early signs of being out of sync with military dictatorship
  • Chinese trolls gone super quiet today on social media after Indian drones made a mockery of their defense technologies

So far, heavy shelling in Poonch yesterday is the only opening Pakistan army has managed to exploit.

India dominating overall
They are setting the stage for the real "false flag" to attack Indian cities. When they come, we will be ready. We didn't hear anything official from Indian side on today's strikes but it appears Lahore and Karachi saw 1-2 drones. Not sure how reliable the info is. May be them pursuing their favourite "falze flag" option
 
Why is India doing drone attacks in Lahore, Karachi, Rawalpindi and other mainland Pakistan?

Was it pre planned or retaliation to Pakistan's misadventure in Amritsar last night?

Unless we hear from the Indian side officially, any drone attack news on Lahore, Karachi should be considered "falze flag" - a favourite strategy of our Pak posters
 
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