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Pakistan and India confirm ceasefire ‘with immediate effect’

Markhor said:
Firstly there's no love in Pakistan bar a few nutters for these Hafiz Saeeds and Masood Azhars. However do you seriously believe Pakistani state would meekly hand them over without any quid pro quo at the behest of a hardline Hindu nationalist government ?

Most Pakistanis accept they cannot win a conventional war with India. We cannot match your military and economic capacity over the long-run. Therefore Pakistan must maximise its points of leverage.

I cannot speak for Pakistani state but it's hard to believe they wouldn't entertain a return to dialogue on basis of Musharraf-Singh four point plan on Kashmir - turning LOC into a soft IB like Ireland, phased demilitarisation, no forced demographic change, and both countries ending support for proxies in Kashmir and Balochistan.

Please don't mention Kargil (started by an egomaniac general long dead) or Modi's 2015 visit which was all PR with no groundwork or preparation (which would've shown Nawaz as a lame duck with a nonexistent relationship with his military).

India's unsubstantiated declarations of victory (as we heard after repeal of Article 370) or screaming "INTERNAL ISSUE" doesn't end a conflict and makes a Pahalgam inevitable. Sit down and resolve this once and for all.
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Well, there are a few issues.

1. The Hindu nationalist or whatever government came to power in 2014. What was Pakistan’s stand before that? India suffered even worse terrorist attacks back then. Bomb blasts were routine incidents in major Indian cities.

2. You can’t negotiate with a country using terrorists. India will never accept it.

3. Pakistan wants any discussion to start with Kashmir. India does not. All the points you mentioned like a permeable border etc will happen when two countries are on friendly terms. India doesn’t entertain any direct discussion on Kashmir because it sees that as an interference in its internal matter. It’s like approaching a girl with a honeymoon itinerary.

4. Things have reached a stage where India doesn’t care. The default policy now is to accept that Pakistan will be an eternal enemy and avoid running into them.

5. You are seriously underestimating the complications involved. The terror networks, their funding, the army’s existence and the biggest factor of them all, the religious element are all problems. It can’t be shut down in one day or even a year. When the Pakistani minister made that statement to Sky News about being forced to do the dirty job, he wasn’t kidding. Pakistan is indeed a victim of religious extremism in the sense that knowingly or unknowingly it created a Frankenstein’s monster it can’t control.
 
Ceasefire violations by pak with huge fires are reported in Akhnoor, Sunderbani, chamber, naushera
 
Pakistani PM Shehbaz Sharif thanks US President Donald Trump for intervening, eventually leading to a ceasefire between India and Pakistan.

"We thank President Trump for his leadership and proactive role for peace in the region.

Pakistan appreciates the United States for facilitating this outcome, which we have accepted in the interest of regional peace and stability.

We also thank Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio for their valuable contributions for peace in South Asia.

Pakistan believes this marks a new beginning in the resolution of issues that have plagued the region and prevented its journey toward peace, prosperity and stability."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921220993101525318
 
ipog said:
I told after the cease fire announcement that knowing Pak army, this would last long. Are they deranged or what?
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I think army is not happy with pak pm decision for ceasefire. Tehre were reports that nawaj came back and had a discussion with officials along with his bro.so media speculated munir may gone
 
Boyka said:
‘Revenge’ is giving a strong response after being attacked, which is what happened. Strong enough to make India think twice. What more will we be avenging here? This is not a blood feud between clans, potentially it’s devastation on a large scale.

English is not your first language so maybe I’ll take it easy. War between neighbours is not good, Modi is a dangerous extremist and a threat to peace. Please accept this.
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not modi the whole world knows what is dangerous and threat to peace. u need a clue. yes sir we are kafirs.
 
Vikram1989 said:
I think army is not happy with pak pm decision for ceasefire. Tehre were reports that nawaj came back and had a discussion with officials along with his bro.so media speculated munir may gone
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omg. Proper **** house . Why don't they come up with one decision?
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Of all this fiasco:
Biggest loser:
1. Imran Khan

Losers:
1. The innocent people and soldiers who died for their respective nations
2. Cricketing ties
3. Kashmiri public who have been set back by about 5 years of growth.
4. IAF's operational capability still under question
5. Pakistan Air Defense: Capital getting struck multiple times shows clear gap in defenses.
5. India and Pakistan media, non stop false propaganda was pathetic


No change :
1. The war hawks on both sides, who will keep claiming their wins

Winners:
1. Asim Munir: The Big Daddy winner of all this. Unchallenged grip on Pakistan.
2. Modi: Easy strengthening of hold over power. IWT is still suspended.
3. Trump: He should be getting his Nobel Prize
4. Chinese weapons, taking out a Rafale a big plus win, but utter failure of Air defense systems fully exposed.
5. Indian Air Defense: Rock Solid


With IWT suspended, India will continue to build a powerful leverage against Pakistan against any future misadventure. Pakistan needs restoration of IWT else all this retaliation serves no purpose. After all the dust has settled, boundaries have not changed. Short military wins and losses have been claimed but the lasting change is the suspension of IWT and that will dictate the future of India-Pak ties.

Now, Can Pakistan's general care about their future and bring India back into IWT? That's the question.
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Fair assessment I think.

Munir and Modi are the clear winners. The pink haze of patriotism will carry them for a fair while.

If a Rafale was destroyed in a standoff engagement (and it looks like it was) by a previous generation Chinese fighter, that's a huge black mark on the French manufacturer. India was anyway likely to switch to the Americans to make up the trade deficit. This will accelerate that.
 
Raja Ishtiaq said:
Is there any evidence of that or are you just a blind modi follower?

Imagine acting all tough and mighty and then agreeing to a ceasefire the second the opposition retaliates. India in a nutshell.
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Evidence of what? Pahalgam was done by TRF which is Lashkar-e-Toiba offshoot based in Pak

You guys denied Pulwama too and later your own ministers accepted it.

And don't forget Osama hiding near army base. Enough evidence of Pak being a terrorist state

BTW do you know what the father of DG ISPR Ahmed Sharif Chaudhary used to do?
 
ipog said:
I told after the cease fire announcement that knowing Pak army, this may not last long. Are they deranged or what?
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Probably frustrated and embarrassed. The posters can hide it behind trolls and memes. They don’t have that option.
 
Saurav said:
Evidence of what? Pahalgam was done by TRF which is Lashkar-e-Toiba offshoot based in Pak

You guys denied Pulwama too and later your own ministers accepted it.

And don't forget Osama hiding near army base. Enough evidence of Pak being a terrorist state

BTW do you know what the father of DG ISPR Ahmed Sharif Chaudhary used to do?
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Blah blah blah.

Demand evidence from cult members.

Their side kick users have been destroyed.
 
I think some 3rd party entities don't want peace between the neighbors.

Things are not as simple as it seems.

Both Governments should fight that "entity" together for once and don't fall in the trap again.
 
This proves more than beyond doubt that pahalgam is handi work of pak army .Entire region is under violation
 
It’s the Chinese technology which saved us.

It proved that advanced Chinese technology is on a par with proven western hardware.

In the end our superior air power was the difference

However, Pakistan needs to upgrade its air defence technology. The fact that so many missiles got in undetected on the first day was a cause of concern for many.
 
Manager101 said:
Two suspects:

Those independent Elites who control Weapon industry.

Isreali Mossad, there think tank have been dreaming for long of denuclearizing Pakistan and there best bet is using India even at cost of billions of deaths.

It's not tough for such advanced tech agencies in fooling and trapping governments through such instigation.
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@DeadlyVenom @Cpt. Rishwat

What’s your take on this brothers

Personally feeling sad about this
 
I have checked multiple sources. There was no Indian incursion once the ceasefire declared.

This is pathetic from Pakistan
 
shah_1 said:
India must have violated the ceasefire seeing the reaction from Indians against ceasefire on social media.
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So how come Pakistan drones appear on Srinagar? If launched from Indian side won't people have seen? And how can India engage it from the same side. Are everyone this conditioned?
 
Hikaru said:
Pathetic truly but it is what it is. Let's force a ceasefire now.
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What force CF bro? No guarantee it won't be breached again. Not sure what India does here. if they don't engage, it will be severe hits for them.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I swear to you if it is him i will pierce a dagger through his heart.

Whoever it is, may he burn in hell and i never say these things
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My parents are in PK. People were partying on the roofs and chilling. Now went indoors.

All because of Narendra facing an internal backlash.
 
As for the missiles used are concerned.

Fatah 1 and 2 are meant for attacking battalions and army formations closer to the border. They are not intended to take out airbases. I assume Pakistan used them because they are cheap, in plenty numbers, and Pakistan was not expecting them the conflict to get too serious.

The good stuff, aka Shaheens and Ababeels, cannot be intercepted.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
My parents are in PK. People were partying on the roofs and chilling. Now went indoors.

All because of Narendra facing an internal backlash.
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Hope they’re all safe. 🙏🏻

God knows what it is. I don’t trust anyone. You’re putting it on Modi blindly too purely following instincts.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
My parents are in PK. People were partying on the roofs and chilling. Now went indoors.

All because of Narendra facing an internal backlash.
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Yup backlash got him

Why would Pakistan do it. They had a face saving as well along with India. Pakistan economically is in no position to be an aggressor.

Godi MEDIA lying
 
Indians coming with a new script, infesting the internet as usual. LOC is a hotspot right now, both sides are going to blame each other. If there’s going to be any fighting, let it be on the borders not main cities. Regrettable.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Hope they’re all safe. 🙏🏻

God knows what it is. I don’t trust anyone. You’re putting it on Modi blindly too purely following instincts.
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Indian public weren't happy with ceasefire.

In Pakistan it was seen as a victory.

No reason for Pakistan to breach. In our eyes India had been humbled.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Indian public weren't happy with ceasefire.

In Pakistan it was seen as a victory.

No reason for Pakistan to breach. In our eyes India had been humbled.
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This is purely emotional and biased take from you for now. We need to know for real what’s going on. We have to get to the bottom of this because this is dangerous territory now for all of us including your and my families
 
Boyka said:
Indians coming with a new script, infesting the internet as usual. LOC is a hotspot right now, both sides are going to blame each other. If there’s going to be any fighting, let it be on the borders not main cities. Regrettable.
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Not just kashmir. Pakistani drones over kitchen too.
 
So Pak army revolting and Modi avoiding a backlash seem like two strong possibilities here.

Which side reported broken ceasefire first? That might give us a clue, I can see Omar Abdullah's tweets. Anything from Pakistani side?
 
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