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Pakistan end a rain-shortened Day 1 of the 1st Test against South Africa on 145/3

I will make fried eggs and naan for a very late dinner at lunch. All this food talk got me hungry.
 
Is it just me or does Maharaj's action looks dodgy ? it looks like he is chucking..
 
We need another leftie in our batting lineup.

It was obvious Saud Shakeel would have suited todays match with 2 left arm spinners playing. Abid Ali should never play for Pakistan again. Azhar Ali can open. He is effectively opening at the moment.
 
Under Misbah both Australia and NZ whitewashed us and we were lucky not to be whitewashed by Eng. If he survived after all these then no way he will be sacked after any fail series. Best we can hope PCB doesn't renew his and Waqar's contract. Don't fall for PCB's trick of Andy Flower/Gary Kristen name in coaching role.
 
Muddaser said:
We need another leftie in our batting lineup.

It was obvious Saud Shakeel would have suited todays match with 2 left arm spinners playing. Abid Ali should never play for Pakistan again. Azhar Ali can open. He is effectively opening at the moment.
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Nor should Butt.
 
Either Pakistan plays shots or looses wickets... you barely see good running between the wickets.
 
Shafi said:
Under Misbah both Australia and NZ whitewashed us and we were lucky not to be whitewashed by Eng. If he survived after all these then no way he will be sacked after any fail series. Best we can hope PCB doesn't renew his and Waqar's contract. Don't fall for PCB's trick of Andy Flower/Gary Kristen name in coaching role.
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If I had 120 Billion dollars cash, I would happily give it to Imran Khan and had asked him to use the money and pay off all of Pakistan’s national debt.
Imran would’ve asked me as to what do I want in return? And I would’ve said, make me the PCB chairman.

This is the only way I can think of getting rid of Misbah and Waqar.
$120 Billion is all what we need.
 
More I see Fawad bat the more angry I get on the injustice on him. He looks such a capable batsman every time.
 
I am no fan of Misbah but all this Misbah bashing in the test match thread is getting boring.
 
Don't like an idea of going with winning combination. You always has positives and negatives out of game irrespective of results. We should always focus to eradicate negatives while going into mew game.

Abid should have been warming bench with Saud as his replacement.
 
55 / 3

The honeymoon period for SA is over , now a long grind after lunch awaits them , they will be lucky to get a wicket in the next whole session.
 
Not to get away from the game but just a little insight about Misbah’s appointment, he is not liked by the PCB management but was imposed by PM.....
 
Top 3 gone batting starts now But then again after these two, batting finishes too
 
dildilpak said:
Either Pakistan plays shots or looses wickets... you barely see good running between the wickets.
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+ 1
This mindset was indoctrinated into our batting culture by none other than Baba-e-tuk tuk

And then modern day Pak batting is also modeled on tape ball cricket where a youngster never learns how to improvise, how to take singles n doubles, how play mind games with the bowler and fielders, how to convert a good ball into scoring a run or two etc.

These guys mostly wait for a bad ball to try to hit a 4, otherwise they don’t have too much of a skill to improvise, so blocking or leaving is usually the only option.

I guess modern day test cricket is also changed. As long as you keep the scoring rate around 3, and save wickets, it doesn’t matter how the runs come. This usually works against weaker teams, but you almost always get choked to suffocation against good quality teams with this approach.
 
imshally81 said:
Is it rank Turner or poor batting?
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Whether it is poor batting or not can be judged only when Pakistan finish their batting because Pakistan lower order is very strong and efficient a couple of good partnerships can finish the game for SA here , also remember with the way SA vat against spin 300 is enough against them.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
If I had 120 Billion dollars cash, I would happily give it to Imran Khan and had asked him to use the money and pay off all of Pakistan’s national debt.
Imran would’ve asked me as to what do I want in return? And I would’ve said, make me the PCB chairman.

This is the only way I can think of getting rid of Misbah and Waqar.
$120 Billion is all what we need.
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From the outside, looking in IK isn't closely involved in cricket anymore. He cares about it & had a broad idea how to help it, but it's not in his top ten priorities as a President & nor should it be.

He appointed some people he thinks have an idea what they are doing & then as leader, you step back & give them a few years to do it.

So far, things have improved dramatically- domestic changes, return of home tours. Two biggest boxes ticked. He understands there is no magic box of players to pick to instantly become world beaters. But the groundwork in improvement of stadiums, pitches, domestics, home situation & professionalism is all heading in the right direction.

In 5-10 years, that is the path to see sustained results. There's no other magic fix. Misbah is a competent character overall. It's easy to hate but he was a shining light of professionalism in a side filled with quite a few seedy characters. More importantly, Imran has put an even more competent guy in charge over the top of Misbah. That's the good decision. The rest will slowly come. It's Khans job to look in on Misbah, not Imran's problem.


The idea of the President micro managing cricket is absurd.
 
Dont ask or mention any links for watching the game
 
Both these batsmen looking very comfortable here , SA captain should try something different here
 
wrongun said:
From the outside, looking in IK isn't closely involved in cricket anymore. He cares about it & had a broad idea how to help it, but it's not in his top ten priorities as a President & nor should it be.

He appointed some people he thinks have an idea what they are doing & then as leader, you step back & give them a few years to do it.

So far, things have improved dramatically- domestic changes, return of home tours. Two biggest boxes ticked. He understands there is no magic box of players to pick to instantly become world beaters. But the groundwork in improvement of stadiums, pitches, domestics, home situation & professionalism is all heading in the right direction.

In 5-10 years, that is the path to see sustained results. There's no other magic fix. Misbah is a competent character overall. It's easy to hate but he was a shining light of professionalism in a side filled with quite a few seedy characters. More importantly, Imran has put an even more competent guy in charge over the top of Misbah. That's the good decision. The rest will slowly come. It's Khans job to look in on Misbah, not Imran's problem.


The idea of the President micro managing cricket is absurd.
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This is last over before lunch , Pakistan go 60 odd for 3 down , SA are lucky to get those wickets , now they will be grinded into submission :))
 
SA slight ahead at this stage but Pak batting starts at 3 anyway,so we actually lost one wicket.
 
Justcrazy said:
This is last over before lunch , Pakistan go 60 odd for 3 down , SA are lucky to get those wickets , now they will be grinded into submission :))
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InshAllah that moisture evaporates and it’ll be a batting session come the second session, both these guys looking composed. Really bad time for Linde to be out, hope he’s ok.

I called it before in another post that first 2 hrs will be tough with moisture but then expect the ball to come on nicely to the bat.
 
PakPremi said:
SA slight ahead at this stage but Pak batting starts at 3 anyway,so we actually lost one wicket.
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SA were never ahead in the series , being ahead means you have certain control over the proceedings , which SA never had . They do not have impact players for these conditions , India would have finished them in 3 days , Pakistan will do it on day 5 , that is the only difference
 
Rawalpindi ground looks better than Karachi. The grass is greenish and the practice pitches are further away.
 
Poor 1st session for pakistan with the bat, i said a few days ago that playing same opening pair would be asking for trouble and we wouldnt get away with it. Once again 20 odd for 3 early on!

Simply cant start test matches against anyone like this, pathetic team selection.
 
Sometimes you can spare Misbah (First time in coaching role without having any skill or experience) but how come fraud like Waqar keeps coming back. This guy is not only a lazy individual but also don't have any clue to coach players. At least he can observe bowlers like Rabada, Starc, Boult, Shouthe, Anderson.... and pass some knowledge to our bowlers.
 
Nice to see both openers went back to the dressing room early, now the pressure will be on Babar and Fawad to score big.
 
Pakistan need a wicket less 2nd session here with the bat after lunch just to get back into the game here.
 
Still SA in front.....Abid Imran must b dropped....that's enough.... Promote Azhar...bring in Saud...
 
wrongun said:
From the outside, looking in IK isn't closely involved in cricket anymore. He cares about it & had a broad idea how to help it, but it's not in his top ten priorities as a President & nor should it be.

He appointed some people he thinks have an idea what they are doing & then as leader, you step back & give them a few years to do it.

So far, things have improved dramatically- domestic changes, return of home tours. Two biggest boxes ticked. He understands there is no magic box of players to pick to instantly become world beaters. But the groundwork in improvement of stadiums, pitches, domestics, home situation & professionalism is all heading in the right direction.

In 5-10 years, that is the path to see sustained results. There's no other magic fix. Misbah is a competent character overall. It's easy to hate but he was a shining light of professionalism in a side filled with quite a few seedy characters. More importantly, Imran has put an even more competent guy in charge over the top of Misbah. That's the good decision. The rest will slowly come. It's Khans job to look in on Misbah, not Imran's problem.


The idea of the President micro managing cricket is absurd.
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Don’t agree.
You’ve got way too much theory, and too much hope with no actual plan.

The very first thing you need is to have the right people in place to do the job and get it done first time and in the right way. This also means absolutely no room for inept people in your plans. And hence 99% of PCB’s current workforce from chai Wala to chairman, go out of the door. (Misbah and Waqar included).

You must have limited but qualified, intelligent, honest and experienced people in place. Quality over quantity. There is then, no micromanagement required.

Second, if you truly want to start fixing it long term, then the very first step is into introduce a very well organized school level hardball cricket with great coaching support in place.

This is the key to Indian batting factory. They keep churning out world class players. And its primarily because they have got perhaps one of the best school level organized cricket setup in the world.

Heck, once in a while we hear that 12 year old or a 15 year old has scored a triple century in a jr. school level tournament match. Having this kind of stamina and temperament in such an early age is mind boggling. It’s mostly because they have, in place, an excellent coaching support in a fairly good competitive environment at school level cricket.

It’s non existent in Pakistan.

So, you fix the top by having the right management in place, and you start from the roots by a well organized school cricket. This is how it works.

And this point, we don’t have either. And we are bringing the new “domestic structure” and hoping that Misbah (a very “good professional” but zero coaching experience and qualification) and this new domestic structure in 15 years will produce Viv Richards and Dennis Lilliees, and hence we will start getting good results.

Well, good luck with that.
 
Again Fawad is in the role of saviour, MashaAllah. It gives me source of immense fun when I just try to imagine the face of Fawad haters in PP. It was bound to happen. Pakistan badly missed his services over the years. He is at the end part of his career. Still he is better than others who have played a lot more tests than him. Every time he comes into bat Pakistan is in deep trouble. Still he absorbs all the pressure and delivers. He won't get time to gather experience of international cricket and settle in the team as he is already 35,that's the problem. At least I hope he gets the career span of Misbah.
 
Serious looking team huddle from SA, Seems FAF was doing most of the talking.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pakistan need a wicket less 2nd session here with the bat after lunch just to get back into the game here.
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What’s the fun then?
I say a couple of quick wickets before team’s 100 and then some fightback by the tail to get all out at 180ish.

This is going to be another paradise for Yasir n Nauman. SA would hardly score 200 runs in their first innings.
 
Mahraj to start after lunch to fawad - Maiden over to start,
 
Colorblind Genius said:
What’s the fun then?
I say a couple of quick wickets before team’s 100 and then some fightback by the tail to get all out at 180ish.

This is going to be another paradise for Yasir n Nauman. SA would hardly score 200 runs in their first innings.
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180 All out and we will lose this game, the pitch is not a bowlers paradise, we have lost 3 wickets to poor cricket.
 
Justcrazy said:
SA were never ahead in the series , being ahead means you have certain control over the proceedings , which SA never had . They do not have impact players for these conditions , India would have finished them in 3 days , Pakistan will do it on day 5 , that is the only difference
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What are you talking about it was definitely SA session, who is taking about series, if we lose couple more wickets quickly it would be difficult for us to get to 350.
And can we stop bringing India in a match being played between two mid table teams. Pakistan is not India, so let us stop comparing ourselves to them. Yes we can inspire to be top team but at the moment we do not have the talent nor their coaching and structure.
 
naseem said:
Still SA in front.....Abid Imran must b dropped....that's enough.... Promote Azhar...bring in Saud...
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They may argue that they scored more than Azhar in this innings (at least they didn’t get out on zero), so there is no justification to give their spot to Azhar.
 
Mainul said:
Again Fawad is in the role of saviour, MashaAllah. It gives me source of immense fun when I just try to imagine the face of Fawad haters in PP. It was bound to happen. Pakistan badly missed his services over the years. He is at the end part of his career. Still he is better than others who have played a lot more tests than him. Every time he comes into bat Pakistan is in deep trouble. Still he absorbs all the pressure and delivers. He won't get time to gather experience of international cricket and settle in the team as he is already 35,that's the problem. At least I hope he gets the career span of Misbah.
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Just enjoy him as long as we can. There's a chance he spends 5 years at the top. If he's a miracle with reflexes, maybe a bit longer.

Good thing is mentally, he's fresh & hungry. At least the desire won't be first to go. The obviosu technique comparison is Chanderapaul who played Tests until he was 40 & was still quality when he left.
 
George Linde Update:

He has been stitched up and is going to go for x-rays to check on the pinkie bone soon.
 
Amjid Javed said:
180 All out and we will lose this game, the pitch is not a bowlers paradise, we have lost 3 wickets to poor cricket.
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I am not watching the game but is De Kock grabbing them at his chest or shoulder height?
If not, this is a dead wicket where our spinners will rip thru them in a one sided boring game if we scored 300 runs.
 
If Babar wants to cement himself as one of the world's best in Test Match cricket, he needs some big big scores. There's no better time than now to start. Fairly flat pitch, came in early, and you need a massive first innings score to be competitive in this match.
 
So Pakistan's trouble against left arm spinners conitues?
 
wrongun said:
I said Khan instead of Muhammad Wasim at the end, but you get what I mean.
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It doesn’t matter.
Sowing a lemon seed and hoping to harvest apples from the tree doesn’t happen, whether you wait 15 years or 20 years.

We simply don’t have the right seed in the ground.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
I am not watching the game but is De Kock grabbing them at his chest or shoulder height?
If not, this is a dead wicket where our spinners will rip thru them in a one sided boring game if we scored 300 runs.
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Pitch is easy paced. Ball coming onto bat nicely, weve gifted 3 wickets on a good batting surface.
 
Nice shot for 4 by babar, with linde now injured we need to make most of SA being 1 bowler down.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Pitch is easy paced. Ball coming onto bat nicely, weve gifted 3 wickets on a good batting surface.
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OK let’s see then.
It will be interesting to see how they cope with our spinners and how many they score on this good batting surface.
 
This is the difference between Babar and the opening tailenders, he got owned by Maharaj in the first Test but he worked on it and is now playing him rather comfortably.
 
Lol two more players with fawad's quality and this team is going to score in double digits after a full days play
 
DeadBall said:
This is the difference between Babar and the opening tailenders, he got owned by Maharaj in the first Test but he worked on it and is now playing him rather comfortably.
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Am sure YK got him in the nets and got him working on his technic, plus nauman would have given him good practice.
 
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