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Pakistan end Day 3 on 153/3, needing 228 to win the 3rd Test against South Africa

Hassan gets a well deserved wicket. His pace has been up, that one was 141.

Come one now try to wrap it up within the next 40 runs.

Bad news is that with the pitch starting to misbehave South Africa's battery of 140+ bowlers are going to bowl us out for under 150.
 
Fahdi said:
Hassan gets a well deserved wicket. His pace has been up, that one was 141.

Come one now try to wrap it up within the next 40 runs.

Bad news is that with the pitch starting to misbehave South Africa's battery of 140+ bowlers are going to bowl us out for under 150.
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Not seen a single ball today , any regular misbehavior or a odd ball or 2 ?
 
Fahdi said:
Hassan gets a well deserved wicket. His pace has been up, that one was 141.

Come one now try to wrap it up within the next 40 runs.

Bad news is that with the pitch starting to misbehave South Africa's battery of 140+ bowlers are going to bowl us out for under 150.
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Getting to 100 would be respectable considering how poor we have been.
 
Why cant they hit the spot regularly , i remember bowlers practicing hitting a smaller marker on the pitch.
 
That crack is more of a problem for the rhb than the lhb. Still will be quite tricky to face and with the pitch in mind.
 
Olivier has been the difference between the two sides. Without him, Pakistan may have scored 250 on 2 other occasions. Olivier's short pitch bowling and that too with pace has been too hot to handle for Pakistan. The only time Pakistan managed to negotiate Olivier, they scored 294.

Easily the man of the series. And despite this being a pathetic batting performance, Olivier has bowled exceptionally well. I don't think him getting wickets can be compared to us gifting wickets to Abbott, Somerville, Grandhomme etc because Olivier has thoroughly deserved all the wickets. He will be ineffective in the UAE and India but in SA, he will trouble almost everyone.
 
If Azhar and Shafiq were born in S Africa, India, England or Australia they will not play 2nd grade league at most
 
Azhar drops......

Actually didn't carry but it was poor technique once again. Why is he still first slip?
 
He keeps diving sideways when the ball comes to him and stands way too deep. Can't blame anyone else for it when it looks dubious or drops just in front.
 
Nice heavy defeat coming up to round off 3 series defeat.
 
Sarfaraz could try Shan perhaps.
Or bring Shadab on.
Do something different,man.
 
Mamoon said:
Dibbly-dobbler returns.
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On average my guess is pakistani bowlers are bowling 5.kph faster than they were in the first 2 tests. Whether that is because of the rest fahim is giving them like [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] says I don't know.
 
rollingstoned said:
On average my guess is pakistani bowlers are bowling 5.kph faster than they were in the first 2 tests. Whether that is because of the rest fahim is giving them I don't know.
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Or perhaps they are bending their back more because of Sarfraz’s statement.
 
So Pakistan's slip cordon is standing further back than SA even though the bowlers are slower?
 
JibranAnsari said:
You gotta question arthurs credentials as a coach.
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Hasan was bowling at ~140 kph and there were a considerable amount of deliveries dying on Sarfraz. Azhar and Shafiq, considering their experience, should have made the decision to move forward themselves.
 
Pitch is losing its bounce. Pakistan have chance of chasing up to 325 here. Have to get rid of tail first though.
 
JibranAnsari said:
You gotta question arthurs credentials as a coach.
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Distance of slip cordon is set by WK. But yes, Azhar standing at 1st slip is Coach’s call. Probably it’s an honorary position for Sr player in the squad - Misbah, Hafeez & now Azhar, though Babar clearly has better pair of palms for 1st slip & he fields there in ODI.
 
J’burg track is probably best for batting on day 3, then cracks start to open. But 350 is too big a target. I was expecting PAK to start batting now, but looks like Kok will take target beyond PAK’s reach.
 
The difference between attacking the stumps and bowling a 6th stump line...
 
MMHS said:
Distance of slip cordon is set by WK. But yes, Azhar standing at 1st slip is Coach’s call. Probably it’s an honorary position for Sr player in the squad - Misbah, Hafeez & now Azhar, though Babar clearly has better pair of palms for 1st slip & he fields there in ODI.
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They dont want senior players to run. Thats why standing in slips.
 
Ellipsism said:
Hasan was bowling at ~140 kph and there were a considerable amount of deliveries dying on Sarfraz. Azhar and Shafiq, considering their experience, should have made the decision to move forward themselves.
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If not them , then there is a coach as well.
 
Despite some dropped catches the most heartening aspect from Pakistan has been their fielding it has improved leaps and bounds. Bowling has not been bad either but we made error in selection each time, playing Yasir in first ywoatches and leaving out Afridi in this match.
 
JibranAnsari said:
They dont want senior players to run. Thats why standing in slips.
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I think, Azhar wanted to field at 1st slip & Sarfraz is too polite to say him no. This was the case for Hafeez as well, who is probably the worst slip fielder I have seen. Best slip fielder fields st 2nd slip, which is the toughest spot; 1st slip is about bucket hands, not the best reflex required but very safe palm required because most of 1st slip catches are regulation gathers.
 
JibranAnsari said:
If not them , then there is a coach as well.
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There’s also 3 men behind the stump who are very experienced and logic suggests that the should be able to make decisions themselves and not have the need to be spoon fed every instruction.
 
PakPremi said:
Despite some dropped catches the most heartening aspect from Pakistan has been their fielding it has improved leaps and bounds. Bowling has not been bad either but we made error in selection each time, playing Yasir in first ywoatches and leaving out Afridi in this match.
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Shaheen is dropped or injured? Can anyone confirm here?
 
By the way, Sarfraz can create some sort of record here - so far 5+4 catches & a 50. I don’t think anyone in history has taken 5+5 catches & scored 2 50s in same Test, probably not in FC cricket either. Definitely a PAK record if he can take one more catch out of next 3 wickets. Can’t fault him in what could be his last Test as captain.
 
Ellipsism said:
There’s also 3 men behind the stump who are very experienced and logic suggests that the should be able to make decisions themselves and not have the need to be spoon fed every instruction.
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The coach too is heavily paid and thats his job really to take care of every aspect of the teams game.
 
MMHS said:
I think, Azhar wanted to field at 1st slip & Sarfraz is too polite to say him no. This was the case for Hafeez as well, who is probably the worst slip fielder I have seen. Best slip fielder fields st 2nd slip, which is the toughest spot; 1st slip is about bucket hands, not the best reflex required but very safe palm required because most of 1st slip catches are regulation gathers.
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Haris was a big loss. Haris and Asad at first and second slip were a very good combo, Azhar is clueless.
 
MMHS said:
Shaheen is dropped or injured? Can anyone confirm here?
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There has been no news about his injury probably rested as he is a rookie and they do not want to play him too much too early, especially he is most likely to play all ODIs. Hasan has not been at his best on this match have too many lose runs. Or perhaps we wanted our Bhai to return to form.
 
What can Pak try to achieve with the bat in the last dig.
I think the runs go out the window and we need to put our heads down and try and bat 80 overs.
Let's try to face a 2nd new ball
 
Abdullah719 said:
Haris was a big loss. Haris and Asad at first and second slip were a very good combo, Azhar is clueless.
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Yes, Haris is very good at 1st slip while Asad is probably the best or top 2-3 slip fielders in world right now.
 
PakPremi said:
There has been no news about his injury probably rested as he is a rookie and they do not want to play him too much too early, especially he is most likely to play all ODIs. Hasan has not been at his best on this match have too many lose runs. Or perhaps we wanted our Bhai to return to form.
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So, I don’t think I deserved the trolling for saying that if Abbas was fit in first Test, it was Shaheen to sit out😫
 
Need to take last 3 wickets for 20 runs, we often collapse while chasing small totals but maybe a target of 320 will enable our players to play without pressure and hopefully we can pull off a sensational win.
 
MMHS said:
So, I don’t think I deserved the trolling for saying that if Abbas was fit in first Test, it was Shaheen to sit out😫
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People will troll Sarfraz for no matter what he says as he has pathetic record as test captain.
 
Ganju Baba said:
Best bowling attack is giving a 300+ run chase to their timid batting lineup in 4th innings.:hasan2
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Best bowling attack bowled the opposition team for 260 in the first innings and 230/7 now, if our batsmen had scored the same as SA in the first innings, we would have been chasing 245 now.
 
Ganju Baba said:
Best bowling attack is giving a 300+ run chase to their timid batting lineup in 4th innings.:hasan2
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I think, this wicket is far better than what it’s made out & a score of 185 never can be justified in day 2. Bowlers did exceptionally well to take 17 wickets for less than 500 & any team has to compete in a Test with a combined total of less than 550. And remember- SAF dropped/missed stumping/run-out probably 12 times in that innings of 185, otherwise it could have been touch & go 100.

These bowlers are bowling 150+ overs in 7 sessions - deserves a % of match fee from their batsmen’s share.
 
We should start with Amir and Hasan after lunch as these 2 are best against tailenders, although Hasan can leak runs.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
We should start with Amir and Hasan after lunch as these 2 are best against tailenders, although Hasan can leak runs.
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Amir & Shadab, though 2 lefti in middle. Shadab to bowl with packed leg side & cramping Kok for space - if it doesn’t work in 2-3 overs, then may be Fahim, who has better control. Hasan might leak cheap runs to tail. Surprising that Shadab didn’t get overs in 1st session.
 
MMHS said:
I think, this wicket is far better than what it’s made out & a score of 185 never can be justified in day 2. Bowlers did exceptionally well to take 17 wickets for less than 500 & any team has to compete in a Test with a combined total of less than 550. And remember- SAF dropped/missed stumping/run-out probably 12 times in that innings of 185, otherwise it could have been touch & go 100.

These bowlers are bowling 150+ overs in 7 sessions - deserves a % of match fee from their batsmen’s share.
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You do realise that their is a different thread going on where most posters agree that this is the weakest SA battling line up since atleast the turn of the century.

Either this is a very weak batting line up against a much weaker bowling or this is a superb battling line up against a very good bowling attack.

You can't have it both ways. Last I checked SA is not famous for 22 yard roads so I am going to pick former.
 
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MMHS said:
Amir & Shadab, though 2 lefti in middle. Shadab to bowl with packed leg side & cramping Kok for space - if it doesn’t work in 2-3 overs, then may be Fahim, who has better control. Hasan might leak cheap runs to tail. Surprising that Shadab didn’t get overs in 1st session.
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Hasan can quickly clean up the tail also, but yeah it is a risk. De Kock can easily score big shots against Shadab and take this lead close to 400, Faheem is a option but I don't think they will try him immediately.
 
Ganju Baba said:
You do realise that their is a different thread going on where most posters agree that this is the weakest SA battling line up since atleast the turn of the century.

Either this is a very weak batting line up against a much weaker bowling or this is a superb battling line up against a very good bowling attack.

You can't have it both ways. Last I checked SA is not famous for 22 yard roads so I am going to pick former.
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I think, this is the worst PAK batting lineup in history, at least since 1960s, which is diluting every standard. SAF batting isn’t the strongest, but you are judging PAK attack based on perceived demon on wicket & quality of SAF batting.

I have seen every Test at J’bugh in 25 years, and this is far better track than last year - after 262, most teams would have got a lead here; PAK conceded 77. Bowlers did make it 44-4; but Amla handelled the pressure well until bowlers get tiered. Had he been out at 55-5, PAK could have been all out by now😝. Can’t blame bowlers here - it was a different ball game if PAK’s first innings was 285.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Best bowling attack bowled the opposition team for 260 in the first innings and 230/7 now, if our batsmen had scored the same as SA in the first innings, we would have been chasing 245 now.
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By your own admission even if Pak batsmen had scored 260 in the first innings they'd still be chasing 250 in the 4th innings on a SA pitch. Where do you see this going?
 
Ganju Baba said:
By your own admission even if Pak batsmen had scored 260 in the first innings they'd still be chasing 250 in the 4th innings on a SA pitch. Where do you see this going?
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This pitch is not bad as the first 2 Tests, 250 can be chased.
 
PAK should get close to 250-300 2nd time here; but game is lost on 1st innings. Also, looks like SAF pacers will get nice rest after bowling 40-45 overs today. It’s beautifully timed for them actually- 10-12 overs before tea; then 35 overs, then over night rest ..... and if PAK survives till lunch tomorrow, 2nd ball right after lunch. All these because of that 185 in 1st innings.

In ideal world, PAK batting for another 20 overs to reach at least 250; then SAF end day 2 at 3-4 down. After over night rest bowlers come back and after lunch PAK chasing something around 200-225; anyone’s game.
 
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