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Pakistan end Day 3 on 153/3, needing 228 to win the 3rd Test against South Africa

Hasan123 said:
When we bat, let's just try to show some fight and bat for a period of time.

Also well done to De Kock on his 100. Brilliant player.
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What fight are we going to show with Azhar, Imam, Fakhar and Asad in our team. We can only hope that Shan and Babar get some decent runs and our captain continues with is half decent form so we get a couple of hundred on the board.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Show some class my dear sir, you can do better. Family is fine, IA. Hope that is the same with you too:)

Yes, Pakistan batting crumbled yesterday. We were doing well until we collapsed - all too familiar. Hoping Babar can sign off the tour in grand style with a hundred and good memories back. We can win here next tour.
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I can indeed do better as I am doing to make sure that trolls don't tag me here & there. Class is a relative thing - you have to operate at per to remain decent.

So far this is 3rd time - I hope you have seen new ball bowling and you also have seen that Shaheen is siting out this game. Next time, before tagging me, remember that I actually don't bother much about my class, against trolls.

Yes, I do think, PAK will score 400 in combined innings :)
 
Sher Khan said:
Mamoon has been right all along in his judgement. This series has been a real eye opener for people that were chest thumping.
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This so-called new generation of fearless Pakistani cricketers and PSL superstars were exposed 12 months ago in New Zealand.

That embarrassing 5-0 whitewash showed that there has been zero progress and this team is no better than the previous one(s).

At that time, chest-thumpers brushed it aside as an off series and how it was no big deal.
 
Something said:
Only thing Mamoon has been saying for the past 10 or so years he's been on here is that all our players are useless and eventually when they have a bad series or a drop in form. He stands up and says "I told you so".

Its very easy to do what Mamoon does. Just downright keep saying every single player that comes through the rank is useless and if they play well, make up an excuse and wait for them to have a bad series or two.
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Is the pitch getting easier to bat or is Pakistan just bowling bad?
 
AMSS said:
Surprised to learn this is QdK's 4th century...he seems to be playing since forever. That average is also under par for someone of his skill, shade under 40.
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I think the fact he bats so low down the order has something to do with it. His role majority of the time is to get quick runs. He's a great player
 
MMHS said:
I can indeed do better as I am doing to make sure that trolls don't tag me here & there. Class is a relative thing - you have to operate at per to remain decent.

So far this is 3rd time - I hope you have seen new ball bowling and you also have seen that Shaheen is siting out this game. Next time, before tagging me, remember that I actually don't bother much about my class, against trolls.

Yes, I do think, PAK will score 400 in combined innings :)
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Say all you want about cricket. Family is out of bounds :)

All the best.
 
MMHS said:
Welcome back. As you invited, I did watch PAK's batting yesterday; but missed you. Sudden emergency on Saturday? Everything ok at family?
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I am actually wondering if South Africa arent declaring because of loss of gate receipt for 4th and 5th day?
 
PakPremi said:
If you think giving two three games at high end will produce world beaters then you are mistaken my friend. You need to invest in promising players for a long time to judge their capability. We discard our junior players without any connection far too quickly. India have plenty of chances to Rahul and still after so many years hoping Rahane would become world class.
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Same with Pakistan and Azhar/Shafiq. No difference between the two systems :)
 
I dont think there is a lack of talent in pakistan but there is a lack of system which develops good players. To start with our premium 4 day cricket tournament is played in worst possible conditions to develop any kind of batting or bowling talent. The tournament is played on damp , low bounce pitched where medium pacers like hammad azam , aizaz cheema , mir hamza have a ball and on such pitches spinners have no role to play. You see the stats and you will see that no spinners are standing out in our domestic cricket. Unless pakistan change the calender of their 4 day cricket , there wont be any batting or bowling talent coming through.
 
babajee said:
Based on?
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Based on how he repeatedly finds a way to get out after getting in. He needs to learn to dig his heels more and learn to grind. Flashy half-centuries don’t win you Test matches.
 
a_tahir said:
Is the pitch getting easier to bat or is Pakistan just bowling bad?
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You really think the bowlers would feel up for it as soon as the lead crossed 150 runs? This is just QdK making easy runs against a deflated bowling attack, which very well knows the test match cannot be won even if their batsmen bat twice :sarf2
 
Mamoon said:
Based on how he repeatedly finds a way to get out after getting in. He needs to learn to dig his heels more and learn to grind. Flashy half-centuries don’t win you Test matches.
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That will come with time.
 
a_tahir said:
Is the pitch getting easier to bat or is Pakistan just bowling bad?
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There are cracks on the pitch and it is difficult out there for the right handers. For the left handers it seems to be okay still and the pitch doesn't seem to be troubling them much
 
Ganju Baba said:
:yk2

On Topic, QDK hasn't made a Test hundred since Jan 2017. Nice job there Pakistan.
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He was due.

Also, if you can check back my yesterday's post - I categorically wrote that bowlers are getting tired - Kok might take the game away with tail. Everything, everything went wrong for that 185 and you can't blame 1st morning fresh wicket here either.
 
PakPremi said:
If you think giving two three games at high end will produce world beaters then you are mistaken my friend. You need to invest in promising players for a long time to judge their capability. We discard our junior players without any connection far too quickly. India have plenty of chances to Rahul and still after so many years hoping Rahane would become world class.
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By the time the player gets a national cap, he is damaged goods already. Similarly, most of the domestic players that we have today have too many faults in their game to excel at the top level.

We might have 1-2 like Babar for example, but this team is 5-6 world class players short of becoming top 3 material in Tests and ODIs. The T20 drama will end soon too - just play a series with India anywhere in the world.
 
Abdullah719 said:
"Specialist captain"



So the reason for the bowlers struggling at times is because they aren't trying their best? That's concerning.
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Look at his average for the last 2 years why else is he playing ?

I think it 1 reason. Another reason is they aren't bowling in the right areas. I think Michael Holding said it that our bowlers lack patience.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I am actually wondering if South Africa arent declaring because of loss of gate receipt for 4th and 5th day?
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No point declaring when the game is not even at half way; also, PAK has to bat at 2 sessions tomorrow for a full pay day (otherwise, they return portion of the daily ticket). But yes, last time a J'burg, Smith didn't enforce follow on to make sure the game doesn't end in 2 days.
 
babajee said:
That will come with time.
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Yes everything will come with them and we will be a top team by 20xx.

I was told the same in 2012 how everything will fall in place in a few years.

In 2022, we will be having the same discussion. We need to make peace with our demise in cricket. It is a sad reality that we cannot accept because of patriotism.
 
adzzy786 said:
‘Amla Bhai’ is putting on a bet on how many sessions they can bowl Pakistan out in. Word is he’s betted on two sessions.
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Our batsmen should lose in 1 session and make him lose his money.. maybe the only way we can cause a loss at this time :))
 
MMHS said:
He was due.

Also, if you can check back my yesterday's post - I categorically wrote that bowlers are getting tired - Kok might take the game away with tail. Everything, everything went wrong for that 185 and you can't blame 1st morning fresh wicket here either.
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True.

This has been a disastrous outing for Pak. Dominated the game for maybe 3 sessions in 3 Tests.
 
Something said:
What fight are we going to show with Azhar, Imam, Fakhar and Asad in our team. We can only hope that Shan and Babar get some decent runs and our captain continues with is half decent form so we get a couple of hundred on the board.
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These are the players playing. So we have to hope they show some fight.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes everything will come with them and we will be a top team by 20xx.

I was told the same in 2012 how everything will fall in place in a few years.

In 2022, we will be having the same discussion. We need to make peace with our demise in cricket. It is a sad reality that we cannot accept because of patriotism.
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Talking specifically about Babar here, he's still developing into the final product.
 
The kaptaan brings Shadab now... he's making the ball talk.. this has been some real great captaincy
 
[MENTION=147683]Something[/MENTION]

It’s not about me or what I do. The signs of Pakistan cricket’s demise have been there for a decade now. In fact, to be precise, 2003 was the year when Pakistan cricket started to go south. The 90’s generation underachieved but they still had world class players and with star quality.

The new crop were timid, average cricketers while teams like India had started to go in the opposite direction. What is happening now is something that has been brewing for years and years.

And it is only going to get worse. Theoretically, with 200m people and a cricket heritage of 60 years, Pakistan cricket can not only be saved, it can be second to India.

However, realistically, I don’t see it happening.
 
I thought his keeping was good . :broad

Cannot wait until we move on from Sarfraz in tests at least.
 
5th bowler Shadab who looked effective yesterday hasnt even bowled 10 overs, I am yet to see such poor captaincy and backroom strategy.

Even Azhar Ali could have bowled this much.
 
Woeful batting , awful azhar at slips , marginal decisions going oppositions way and absolutely pathetic captaincy. The story of the tour.
 
babajee said:
Talking specifically about Babar here, he's still developing into the final product.
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He might, but there is every chance that he will get overshadowed by the likes of Shaw, Gill or someone else.
 
Elgar would be crazy to declare now, we still have good 2 1/2days of cricket left.
 
Mamoon said:
He might, but there is every chance that he will get overshadowed by the likes of Shaw, Gill or someone else.
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Babar is proving in international cricket, whereas Shaw and Gill are yet to perform. Sometimes hyped up players turn to duds, look at Aamir, no other bowler was fit to tie his shoe lace.
 
de Kock, Buttler, Bairstow, Pant etc.

This truly is the golden era of WK batsmen. The Gilchrist legacy has truly started to shine a decade after his retirement.
 
Mamoon said:
de Kock, Buttler, Bairstow, Pant etc.

This truly is the golden era of WK batsmen. The Gilchrist legacy has truly started to shine a decade after his retirement.
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Not for Pakistan though. But we were told Sarfraz walks into any team in the world:))
 
QDK bats too low for his talent.Certainly better than DeBruyn and even Bavuma
 
What PAK has done here is dug their grave for ODI as well - now Amla-Kok will open in ODI.
 
Get ready for losing 50 for sarfraz and Asad in final inns.
 
Birdman said:
Babar is proving in international cricket, whereas Shaw and Gill are yet to perform. Sometimes hyped up players turn to duds, look at Aamir, no other bowler was fit to tie his shoe lace.
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India knows how to develop players. Considering how much they invested in those two and how much faith they have in them, they are bound to deliver eventually.

Indian selectors are very good at identifying great talents and even when they fail for long periods, they persist with them because they know they will succeed eventually.

That is why they backed Rohit for years and are backing Rahul now. The competition for batting is intense in India, so you have to be bloody good to make it to the top.
 
Mamoon said:
de Kock, Buttler, Bairstow, Pant etc.

This truly is the golden era of WK batsmen. The Gilchrist legacy has truly started to shine a decade after his retirement.
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How could you forget about Shai Hope? More talented than all of them imo.
 
Mamoon said:
de Kock, Buttler, Bairstow, Pant etc.

This truly is the golden era of WK batsmen. The Gilchrist legacy has truly started to shine a decade after his retirement.
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DeKk wicket keeping has been ordinary this series. No don't about his batting though
 
Saurav said:
QDK bats too low for his talent.Certainly better than DeBruyn and even Bavuma
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No, he is perfect for his role. He keeps, for which he needs resting time - not everyday he'll bat after 50 overs of keeping, and he can score quickly with tail. Also, he opens in ODI, which gives him some security against new ball - at 6-7, often you are likely to face 2nd ball early in your innings. This is exactly the explanation Ian Chappel gave on why Gilly bats at 7 ...... and I'll take any analysis by a Aussie Captain blindly; they don't come by dozens.
 
PakPremi said:
DeKk wicket keeping has been ordinary this series. No don't about his batting though
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Pure keeping skills are declining these days, but it hardly matters when you are world class with the bat.

However, you can be the best keeper in the world but it would mean little if you cannot bat.

Even Gilchrist was not at the level of Knott, Dujon, Healy etc. with the gloves.
 
Maybe this is actually genius tactics by Sarfaraz. Let SA bat for longer so that Pakistan have higher chances of taking the game into day 4 and therefore getting the moral victory :)
 
Asked the same yesterday but no body responded so will try again....

Is it time to say what the margin of Pakistan's defeat will be?
 
Mamoon said:
He might, but there is every chance that he will get overshadowed by the likes of Shaw, Gill or someone else.
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Babar is proving in international cricket, whereas Shaw and Gill are yet to perform. Sometimes hyped up players turn to duds, look at Aamir, no other bowler was fit to tie his shoe lace.
 
I am ripping into specialist captain but our bowling has not been good enough. If you can't get wickets at least keep it tight. We can't even do that. Serious questions need to be asked for the bowlers on this tour.
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=147683]Something[/MENTION]

It’s not about me or what I do. The signs of Pakistan cricket’s demise have been there for a decade now. In fact, to be precise, 2003 was the year when Pakistan cricket started to go south. The 90’s generation underachieved but they still had world class players and with star quality.

The new crop were timid, average cricketers while teams like India had started to go in the opposite direction. What is happening now is something that has been brewing for years and years.

And it is only going to get worse. Theoretically, with 200m people and a cricket heritage of 60 years, Pakistan cricket can not only be saved, it can be second to India.

However, realistically, I don’t see it happening.
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Again, disagree. We might be suffering in tests but that's purely down to poor selection whereas our ODI is a lot better ignoring the fact that we are not playing the likes of Yamin and Saad Nasim and a multitide of other youngsters who could be better than the current lot.
 
hadi123 said:
Maybe this is actually genius tactics by Sarfaraz. Let SA bat for longer so that Pakistan have higher chances of taking the game into day 4 and therefore getting the moral victory :)
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Day 4 is already on . If now the rain dance experts here work really hard we might get in to day 5 too :)
 
With still 2 full days left and Pakistan's inability to play more than 60 overs, won't be surprised if they carry on playing and Quinton smashes an unbeaten 200 in the process or even more.
 
Sher Khan said:
Mamoon has been right all along in his judgement. This series has been a real eye opener for people that were chest thumping.
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He usually.knows his onions no matter what the subject. A voice of reason here who gets unnecessarily derided because people don't like what he says. Up there with [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] in this regard.
 
Something said:
Again, disagree. We might be suffering in tests but that's purely down to poor selection whereas our ODI is a lot better ignoring the fact that we are not playing the likes of Yamin and Saad Nasim and a multitide of other youngsters who could be better than the current lot.
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Even in ODIs, we lose to the top teams 8 out of 10 times. This new generation have won only one ODI against top 8 teams in the last 12 months.
 
Hasan123 said:
I am ripping into specialist captain but our bowling has not been good enough. If you can't get wickets at least keep it tight. We can't even do that. Serious questions need to be asked for the bowlers on this tour.
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Serious questions need to be asked of the entire squad not a few of them.
 
ILcricket said:
Day 4 is already on . If now the rain dance experts here work really hard we might get in to day 5 too :)
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"We"? Are you a Pakistan fan or India fan as your flag is Indian and your venue says India?
 
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