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Pakistan General Elections 2024 - The ins/outs and mechanics

Salman Raja lost despite a 100,000 lead against his opponent... People on the ground are claiming that his opponent's camps were empty during the polling, I wonder how his opponent won...

RexRex said:
Look at the bright side. Nawaz Sharif has a good relationship with Modi, trade relations will resume between the two countries if PMLN is back.

I've always respected the Sher for taking on the Establisment several times in the past.
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I understand that you guys are interested in this election but you have to stop bringing up India when it has no relevance to the discussion.

Open a separate thread about PMLN-India relations if you want because this thread is about the elections taking place right now.
 
RexRex said:
Look at the bright side. Nawaz Sharif has a good relationship with Modi, trade relations will resume between the two countries if PMLN is back.

I've always respected the Sher for taking on the Establisment several times in the past.
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Is this meant yo be a joke.

Surely you mean bad mouth the establishment whilst hiding abroad in his hide out. LOL
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Is this meant yo be a joke.

Surely you mean bad mouth the establishment whilst hiding abroad in his hide out. LOL
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You must excuse my alleged countryman here. He isn't thinking right, hardly anyone is interested in his rants against Modi and BJP, hence the frustration.
 
Major said:
Whether they are the single largest party or not will be determined after all seats winners have been announced.
The numbers are not even adding up right now, so how can this lady state that they are a majority?

Thing is, independents will have to join either party that will also determine the govt.
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She is technically correct

They will be single largest party because they have more than PPP. The 'PTI' are independent so not technically a party.
 
PTI's Omar Ayub sweeps NA-18 Haripur

PTI General Secretary Omar Ayub won the NA-18 Haripur seat with 192,984 votes, according to provisional results released by the ECP.

PML-N’s Babar Nawaz Khan came second with 112,389 votes while TLP candidate Muhammad Saleh bagged 12,316 votes.

Express Tribune
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Awaam will never support them now. And it will get worse for them.
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oh plz, after what zia did awaam supported Raheel Sharif who was also upto no good.

The awaam will support the establishment..it just propoganda that the army has to run.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
She is technically correct

They will be single largest party because they have more than PPP. The 'PTI' are independent so not technically a party.
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i agree but they cant claim majority till 134 seats have been won by her side.

Plus, PPP is still getting a few seats right now
 
PTI leader Ali Amin Gandapur wins NA-44 seat from DI Khan

PTI leader Ali Amin Gandapur has emerged victorious on the NA-44 seat from Dera Ismail Khan with 93,443 votes, according to the provisional results released by the ECP.

JUI-F chief Fazlur Rehman is second in the lead with 59,922 votes while PPP’s Faisal Karim Kundi is in the third position with 35,567 votes.

Dawn
 
PTI-backed Shahid Ahmad Khattak wins NA-38 from Karak

PTI-backed candidate Shahid Ahmad Khattak has won the NA-38 seat from Karak, according to provisional results released by the ECP.

JUI-F’s Shah Abdul Aziz is second in the lead with 40,965 votes while ANP’s Hamid Khan is the third runner-up with 15,868 votes.

Dawn
 
Major said:
PPP is a party, has numbers to challenge PMLN somewhat and also bring in a few reserves. PTI has KNOWN.
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Let's get one thing out of the way, the numbers both PPP and PMLN are getting are not reflective of the people's mandate. People are making repositories full of evidence of the fact as we speak.

I'll wait till this heist is over and the data is compiled before I speak further about this.

Major said:
PTI cant do anything with independants because the reserve seats that will be adjusted in NA will be done on the basis of PARTY performance in provincial.

So if PTI wants to sit on opposition, than the opposition is going to be automatic alliance between PPP and PTI as PPP already said they wont be joining the govt with PMLN.
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PMLN has said that they are willing to join PPP again, they're both a perfect match for each other given that they formed PDM not long ago.

The reserve seats are based on a technicality that the current PTI head is saying they are going to challenge in court or find another way around.

You should be watching the news, so far every independent candidate has shot down the idea of an alliance with PPP but you never know what might change when the threats start coming through. Like they always do when the establishment and PPP are involved.

MQM seems to be winning big in Karachi according to the ECP.

Major said:
If PTI wants to be in the govt, the only way is joining hands with PPP. Or else, PTI has already lost the election here
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They own the election because of the people's votes. They can lose this rigging rat race for all I care.

If officially joining hands with PPP was an option PTI would've done so long ago to get rid of its rivals in Punjab, PTI as a party sees PPP as ideologcally incompatible.
 
RexRex said:
Ignore the post if you're not interested in it. Pretty simple.
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In all honesty. It doesnt matter who is in charge of Pakistan. Our public love India and Indian people but have no good will towards the Indian state or government. Trying for positive relations is not a motivating factor during elections.
 
Hextro said:
Let's get one thing out of the way, the numbers both PPP and PMLN are getting are not reflective of the people's mandate. People are making repositories full of evidence of the fact as we speak.

I'll wait till this heist is over and the data is compiled before I speak further about this.



PMLN has said that they are willing to join PPP again, they're both a perfect match for each other given that they formed PDM not long ago.

The reserve seats are based on a technicality that the current PTI head is saying they are going to challenge in court or find another way around.

You should be watching the news, so far every independent candidate has shot down the idea of an alliance with PPP but you never know what might change when the threats start coming through. Like they always do when the establishment and PPP are involved.

MQM seems to be winning big in Karachi according to the ECP.



They own the election because of the people's votes. They can lose this rigging rat race for all I care.

If officially joining hands with PPP was an option PTI would've done so long ago to get rid of its rivals in Punjab, PTI as a party sees PPP as ideologcally incompatible.
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No not really ideologically incompatible.

Most of the main PTI hevay weights were ex PPP. Current PPP heavy weights were sympathetic to Imran ( Aitizaz etc). Imran also styles himself as the actual inheritor of ZAB legacy.

The incompatible stuff is around personalities. Can that be overcome? Perhaps
 
Hextro said:
Let's get one thing out of the way, the numbers both PPP and PMLN are getting are not reflective of the people's mandate. People are making repositories full of evidence of the fact as we speak.

I'll wait till this heist is over and the data is compiled before I speak further about this.



PMLN has said that they are willing to join PPP again, they're both a perfect match for each other given that they formed PDM not long ago.

The reserve seats are based on a technicality that the current PTI head is saying they are going to challenge in court or find another way around.

You should be watching the news, so far every independent candidate has shot down the idea of an alliance with PPP but you never know what might change when the threats start coming through. Like they always do when the establishment and PPP are involved.

MQM seems to be winning big in Karachi according to the ECP.



They own the election because of the people's votes. They can lose this rigging rat race for all I care.

If officially joining hands with PPP was an option PTI would've done so long ago to get rid of its rivals in Punjab, PTI as a party sees PPP as ideologcally incompatible.
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oh bhai, you are starting a very useless argument and misread what i have wrote

There is no evidence of PPP rigging the elections as of yet as the leads they got were maintained the next day. rigging is only taking place in Punjab.

Also, whether its rig or peoples mandate DOES NOT MATTER WHEN FORMING THE GOVT. If PMLN wins, they form govt and PTI sits in the opposition, as simple as that.

If PTI wants to sit in govt its only option is PPP
 
No excuse from ECP. He should be tried for treason. Suddenly the system goes down
 
@DeadlyVenom how many seats can pmln adjust for themselves through Punjab alone? 30?
and from KPK will the reserve seats be adjusted to them and JUI right?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
No not really ideologically incompatible.

Most of the main PTI hevay weights were ex PPP. Current PPP heavy weights were sympathetic to Imran ( Aitizaz etc). Imran also styles himself as the actual inheritor of ZAB legacy.

The incompatible stuff is around personalities. Can that be overcome? Perhaps
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People vote for PTI on the basis of the PDM parties being corrupt and incompetent. Allying with PPP would do irreparable damage to PTI's reputation and might put their future electoral chances in danger.

There's a major difference between individuals switching parties and the merger of entire parties. Even PMLN and PPP took a hit to their repute when they joined hands and formed PDM, imagine that.

DeadlyVenom said:
For me its working bro
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I've tried multiple times and it ain't budging.
 
Caretaker govt says yesterday’s closure of mobile services ‘not an easy decision’

The caretaker government has said the decision to close mobile phone services on the election day was “not an easy decision”.

“We knew there would be noise from every side over the decision, but I would take this decisionagain if I had to,” Interior Minister Gohar Ejaz said in a press conference alongside Information Minister Murtaza Siolangi and others

Dawn
 
Info minister claims internet services were not suspended on Feb 8

Information Minister Murtaza Solangi has claimed that neither internet services nor social media platforms were blocked yesterday.

“The suspension of internet services was not introduced in Pakistan […] it has happened in the US, Britain and even our neighbouring country,” he stated. “No one has fought terrorism as much as we have.”

Dawn
 
PML-N’s Amir Muqam wins NA-11 seat in Shangla

PML-N candidate Amir Muqam has won the NA-11 seat in Shangla with 59,863 votes, according to the provisional results announced by the Election Commission of Pakistan.

The runner-up was PTI-backed candidate Syed Fareed with 54,311 votes.

Dawn
 
FearlessRoar said:
Caretaker govt says yesterday’s closure of mobile services ‘not an easy decision’

The caretaker government has said the decision to close mobile phone services on the election day was “not an easy decision”.

“We knew there would be noise from every side over the decision, but I would take this decisionagain if I had to,” Interior Minister Gohar Ejaz said in a press conference alongside Information Minister Murtaza Siolangi and others

Dawn
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by shutting down mobile service, alot of people couldnt msg 8300 to know where there vote was. It was a stupid move to sabotage the election.

Threat was only in Balochistan and KPK, not in Punjab or Sindh.

so let me guess, the terrorist had bombs implanted on election day, but today (with network returning) the terrorist will retrieve the bombs and postpone the explosion?
 
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FearlessRoar said:
Info minister claims internet services were not suspended on Feb 8

Information Minister Murtaza Solangi has claimed that neither internet services nor social media platforms were blocked yesterday.

“The suspension of internet services was not introduced in Pakistan […] it has happened in the US, Britain and even our neighbouring country,” he stated. “No one has fought terrorism as much as we have.”

Dawn
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Someone needs to tell him that half of the population uses mobile connection internet as its much more cheaper than wifi internet.

Yes Wifi net was not shut, but not everyone opts for wifi.
 
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Major said:
oh bhai, you are starting a very useless argument and misread what i have wrote

There is no evidence of PPP rigging the elections as of yet as the leads they got were maintained the next day. rigging is only taking place in Punjab.
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Again, I can't comment on that yet because there's too much evidence of rigging to go through and see which is authentic and which isn't.

I'll waste my time and look at the compilation once the election is over.

Major said:
Also, whether its rig or peoples mandate DOES NOT MATTER WHEN FORMING THE GOVT. If PMLN wins, they form govt and PTI sits in the opposition, as simple as that.
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I know I was just making it clear that the election is being manipulated to an extreme degree, and you seem to agree with my sentiment.

I don't think PTI will form the government after this election unless something drastic happens.

Major said:
If PTI wants to sit in govt its only option is PPP
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That's unlikely.
 
General Elections 2024 results by the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) so far.

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Hextro said:
Again, I can't comment on that yet because there's too much evidence of rigging to go through and see which is authentic and which isn't.

I'll waste my time and look at the compilation once the election is over.



I know I was just making it clear that the election is being manipulated to an extreme degree, and you seem to agree with my sentiment.

I don't think PTI will form the government after this election unless something drastic happens.



That's unlikely.
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if pti independants wins 136+ seats, that will be a useless number as they still wont be able to form govt without a party to join with

With 136 seats, PTI sitting in opposition wont do them any good. Imran doesnt have much years left of his life and this was his last election.

PTI can do a compromise and sit with PPP, or else having 136+ seats and sitting in opposition is going to be a waste
 
PML-N wins NA-56 seat from Rawalpindi

PML-N’s Muhammad Hanif Abbasi has won the NA-56 seat from Rawalpindi V with 96,649 votes, according to provisional results released by the ECP.

PTI-backed Shahriyar Riaz is second in the race with 82,613 votes

Dawn
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Most of the ire is towards PMLN not PP.

A PTI coalition with PPP could work if pitchec properly to the public.
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Don't you think Imran Khan will stain his reputation if he begins picking sides between Zardari and Nawaz?
 
Major said:
if pti independants wins 136+ seats, that will be a useless number as they still wont be able to form govt without a party to join with

With 136 seats, PTI sitting in opposition wont do them any good. Imran doesnt have much years left of his life and this was his last election.

PTI can do a compromise and sit with PPP, or else having 136+ seats and sitting in opposition is going to be a waste
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It doesn't look like PTI is getting 136 seats, and if it does it'll most likely look at smaller parties first like it did in 2018.
 
Returning Officer Khushab (NA-87) Ahamed Shoaib has resigned, says last 2/3 days were a "nightmare".

Also says, "I do not want to go into details"

In NA-87, "something" happened and losing PMLN candidate suddenly wins with 9K votes.
 
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PPP have also claiming that rigging took place in Punjab. Mustafa Khokar of PPP has said this that his PTI opponent should had won and not PMLN and Sherry Rehman is now saying that Bilalwal's votes in punjab were changed
 
Varun said:
Don't you think Imran Khan will stain his reputation if he begins picking sides between Zardari and Nawaz?
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Depends on the terms and the arrangement.

If its to keep Sharifs away then it will be acceptable.

Zardari is not a front line figure much anyway. Will mainly be Bilawal.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
Depends on the terms and the arrangement.

If its to keep Sharifs away then it will be acceptable.

Zardari is not a front line figure much anyway. Will mainly be Bilawal.
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Bilawal is much respected especially in the media by Ary, Geo, Dawn, Dunya and Samaa. They say that he talks sensible and post Imran if a void is made than he can fill that void.
 
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wonder if a zardari meeting with Imran can be set up.

Man if it happens, Maryam claiming her dad writing a speech would be the most hilarious thing to ever happen in our elections
 
If we go by the Form-45 results, then PMLN has been wiped out from Punjab. This could be their last election if they are dumb enough to form a weak government from this. The nationwide rejection will only grow.
 
Bewal Express said:
I can't stand him or the Sharifs. Two sets of crooks and you have to evaluate which one is worse.
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Yeah its a choice between a rock and a hard place for sure.

But PPP/PTI is better than N and PPP joining for sure. There is a chance to finish N completely.
 
Pathetic all the cronies are winning by hook or crook .
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
Yeah its a choice between a rock and a hard place for sure.

But PPP/PTI is better than N and PPP joining for sure.
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was there a meeting between zardari establishment and imran in adialia or just a rumor?
 
I think the establishment know that this qoum is coward and they can easily manipulate the results without any consequences. I don’t see anything changing in Pakistan. It’s heading towards anarchy
 
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Hextro said:
If we go by the Form-45 results, then PMLN has been wiped out from Punjab. This could be their last election if they are dumb enough to form a weak government from this. The nationwide rejection will only grow.
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Much of the power in Punjab is through resolving disputes etc esp in rural areas. Its almost tribal style politics when you get below the surface. Overseas money also flows in to grease the palm of these politicians.

But those guys wont give N selected candiates time of day. They have been categorically and obviously rejected.

I just wish Imran had not dissolved Punjab Assembly. Otherwise these guys wouldn't have got a sniff.
 
Azzurri said:
I think the Establishment know that this qoum is coward and they can easily manipulate the results without any consequences. I don’t see anything changing in Pakistan. It’s heading towards anarchy
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This qoum went to the elections knowing it was rigged. They had no phone connections and had to find there vote from visiiting multiple places. One family would have half there votes in one area and the rest of there votes 20 kms off to another area. Many are not educated enough and still voted for the right party with no symbol.
 
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Azzurri said:
Don't you guys realise that unlike Indian elections which revolve around Pakistan, we don't give a flying F about India.
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Indian elections don't revolve round pakistan. Yes its a topic in the overall national security scenario but that's about it.

If Indian elections revolved around pakistan, Indian economy won't be touching 4tn USD.

Bte its only the likes of rexrex who think Pakistan is relevant to Indian elections.
 
Azzurri said:
This election have exposed pretty much all of the evil forces. They have buried themselves
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They have. The Nooras and the Billos should have accepted defeat and wait for their return, the public ( as a mass) have short memories and both Billo and Nani would have got their chance. Instead these losers have PANICKED and aligned themselves with the establishment and betrayed themselves and their voters.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
Yeah its a choice between a rock and a hard place for sure.

But PPP/PTI is better than N and PPP joining for sure. There is a chance to finish N completely.
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But as PTI supporter i would be sick to the stomach if an alliance was made with PPP on anything other than constitutional reform.Politics is dirty and always will be, but the Billo was educated at Oxford, surely he has more morals? but alas not.
 
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Bewal Express said:
But as PTI supporter i would be sick to the stomach if an alliance was made with PPP on anything other than constitutional reform. They have sold their souls and backed all the murder and mayhem which just sends me to red. Politics is dirty and always will be, but the Billo was educated at Oxford, surely he has more morals? but alas not.
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Well they can only play what is infront of them. Over throwing the establishment wont happen.

Main priority is to get Imran out. Strengthen and develop 'khan doctrine' while he is alive and embedd themselves deeper into local politics and structure of Pakistan including at college university level.

Otherwise sit in opposition, Imran sits in jail and the goons continue unaffected.

Time to toughen your stomach up brother and support whats necessary.
 
PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal wins NA-76 seat from Narowal

PML-N leader Ahsan Iqbal has won the NA-76 seat from Narowal with 136,279 votes, according to provisional results released by the election commission.

PTI-backed Javed Kholoon is second in the race with 109,309 votes.

Dawn
 
Major said:
was there a meeting between zardari establishment and imran in adialia or just a rumor?
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Many rumours of many meetings. Who knows whats happening. Only thing clear is that rigging took place. Who will stand on top is still unknown.

I look at PPP a lot. Bilawal tweet yesterday about speed of results. His response to a journo on a podcast who said Shabaz sharif said that on qayamat he can stand infront of God and say he Pakistan from default...Bilawal said well who got us into this position in the first place. Some speeches where he hinted at rigging from N too.

I think there is a gap between PPP and PMLN for sure at least where an alliance between them is unlikely again.
 
Pervez Khattak loses NA-33, Nowshera

PTI-Parliamentarians founder Pervez Khattak (ex-PTI member who served as the party’s KP chief minister earlier) lost Nowshera’s NA-33 seat by a massive 66,000-vote margin to Syed Shah Ahad Ali Shah, a PTI-backed independent candidate. According to the ECP’s provisional results, Shah bagged 93,429 votes while the former KP chief won 26,574 votes.

Dawn
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Many rumours of many meetings. Who knows whats happening. Only thing clear is that rigging took place. Who will stand on top is still unknown.

I look at PPP a lot. Bilawal tweet yesterday about speed of results. His response to a journo on a podcast who said Shabaz sharif said that on qayamat he can stand infront of God and say he Pakistan from default...Bilawal said well who got us into this position in the first place. Some speeches where he hinted at rigging from N too.

I think there is a gap between PPP and PMLN for sure at least where an alliance between them is unlikely again.
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But this means nothing, did you ever think they would have an open alliance after the Nooras did to BB with pics, all the promises of dragging each other through the streets etc.
 
One think is for sure, this establishment didn’t dare to temper the results in KPK. They knew that the Pashtuns will fight back but us punjabis have always been a punching bag and because of some sold out black sheep’s inside us we keep on humiliating ourselves
 
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Bewal Express said:
But this means nothing, did you ever think they would have an open alliance after the Nooras did to BB with pics, all the promises of dragging each other through the streets etc.
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Yes that's true also. Still cant fathom it.

You are right here.
 
Azzurri said:
One think is for sure, this coward army didn’t dare to temper the results in KPK. They knew that the Pashtuns will fight back but us punjabis have always been a punching bag and because of some sold out black sheep’s inside us we keep on humiliating ourselves
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Bro these arent my own views so I don't want to be considered as regionalist...but establishment dont really care about KPK. It is a backwater to them full of tribals. Punjab is the jewel in their eyes alongside Karachi. So they focus their fixing their. Not for cowardice but efficiency.
 
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Sherry Rehman claiming rigging in Lahore against Bilawal.....

PTI claiming rigging......

PMLN are claiming.....victory!
 
Its effing amazing if you just think that the leader is in jail and he won the election knowing it will be rigged.

I dont think no one has achieved this feat other thn Imran Khan in Pakistan's history.

And indian media and some people still undermining Imran's political capability.

Hes a good learner but i rarely sees anyone having the ability like him.

hes very headstrong.
 
Azzurri said:
One think is for sure, this coward army didn’t dare to temper the results in KPK. They knew that the Pashtuns will fight back but us punjabis have always been a punching bag and because of some sold out black sheep’s inside us we keep on humiliating ourselves
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This has nothing to do with punjabis and pathans.

Punjab has more seats thats why it was rigged.
 
i just say that IK should sit in opposition this time. let these 2 effing parties run the country.
the economic mess is very deeper . these effers dont even know what they are looking for .
NS is known as a stubborn as eff . hes gona screw this again as always .
everyone knows that it wont last long. just 2/3 years max .
IK should remain in jail till thn .
 
Imran Khan needs to make an alliance with PPP, he’s going to get trolled for it but do whatever it takes to end the Sharif’s.
 
Lonewarrior said:
i just say that IK should sit in opposition this time. let these 2 effing parties run the country.
the economic mess is very deeper . these effers dont even know what they are looking for .
NS is known as a stubborn as eff . hes gona screw this again as always .
everyone knows that it wont last long. just 2/3 years max .
IK should remain in jail till thn .
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It makes sense, but one has no idea what the establishment and it's cronies will cook up in the meanwhile. It gives them time to hurt and incapacitate the PTI even more. Above all IK is 71 in a country where the average male life expectancy is only 66? Everyone knows he is fit, but his mental and physical wellbeing will only deteriorate in the conditions they've put him in.
 
Someone share the election result link plz
 
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