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Pakistan reach 109/3 at the end of Day 2 of the first Test against the West Indies, with a lead of 202 runs

jnaveen1980 said:
Indian pitches that had too much turn backfired. India won matches where pitch had a little bit of turn. Because Indian seamers like Shami, Umesh took a lot of wickets in india with reverse swing. It is not the pitch alone. It is the cricket ball that INida uses. If India uses SG ball on this pitch whole test will be over in 4 sessions.
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It's not about who won. It's about the practice of doctoring pitches
 
what's the use of Abrar on such a pitch , he is no good long term plus he won't get many overs to have much impact when we have Saj-Nomi combo, plus Agha is also there and Saud can also bowl handy spin. Another specialist batter would be much more helpful, and even Shehzad is playing just for sake of playing fast bowler.
 
So 230 all out.... Pakistan and their legendary collapse

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Ahmed216 said:
It's not about who won. It's about the practice of doctoring pitches
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All countries try to prepare helpful pitches. But among all the countries India produces the fairest pitches like they did against England. ALl 5 were very good pitches. Helped both seamers nad spinners. Also didn't break up immediately. Rohit sharma out of desperation tried spin pitch and lost the toss. So it backfired. Creating these kind of pitches is a double edged sword.Toss will decide your fate.
 
Sajid as the 3rd highest scorer in the batting lineup is pretty funny.

In fairness the bowling in the 2nd hour of this session was quite good but as usual Pakistan gave its opposition some gifts on the first day. WI will have a tough time batting here though.
 
Maharaja averaged 18 even in West Indies against them last year or before. Ashwin and Jadeja averaged 15 agianst West Indies last year in West Indies. They were not even turnign wickets. So i suspect this team will last for more than 2 sessions against Pakistan.
 
Any good players of spin for the West Indies?

If not, they're about to be in a lot of trouble on this wicket.
 
kingusama92 said:
Any good players of spin for the West Indies?

If not, they're about to be in a lot of trouble on this wicket.
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THey don't have aggressive players to throw bowlers off hte line. Defending is not going to take you anywhere. I don't think they have any technicians there. They struggled against every spinner even in West Indies. Taijul picked a fifer in the last test. They also struggle against pace.
 
Sajid should seriously play all formats? This guy is a proper no 8 for pakistan. Solid spinner and good no 8 batter.

Pakistan need to go back to their old strategy back when we had the ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez trio aka 3 pacers + 3 spinners.
 
followed said:
Tinda sajid and chacha Nauman is better than indian spinners ashwin and company.

I wish they had played more matches on these kinds of pitches.
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Ashwin, Jadeja, Laxman, Kumble, Dhoni (In tests and t20), Rohit and Kohli (In tests), and many others are the biggest frauds in Indian history.

The truth is Indian fans despite regarding their players as ATG's via overglorification have literally only produced 2 to 3 greats in every format and that's it.

Everyone else has to be overglorfied. Their some old PP threads where zaheer Khan was compared to wasim akram and mcgrath 🤣🤣. Thankfully they found their father bumrah who can't even take a 10 fer, is a clown in knockouts and against NZ.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sajid should seriously play all formats? This guy is a proper no 8 for pakistan. Solid spinner and good no 8 batter.

Pakistan need to go back to their old strategy back when we had the ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez trio aka 3 pacers + 3 spinners.
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Should try him for tri series to see if he can play CT.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Should try him for tri series to see if he can play CT.
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Imo, Pakistan was at its absolute best (bowling wise, not batting) during 2011-2016.

Don't get me wrong, 1990 Pakistan is top tier but that's because they were relying in generational pace and spin talents.

Combination and team building wise, 3 pacers and 3 spinners was pak's best strategy.

A trio of Sajid, Abrar and One more can really do wonders for pakistan. Noman is too old and Agha needs to brush up on his spin skills. He's getting better as he was top tier against sa, but he needs to improve still.
 
mominsaigol said:
Imo, Pakistan was at its absolute best (bowling wise, not batting) during 2011-2016.

Don't get me wrong, 1990 Pakistan is top tier but that's because they were relying in generational pace and spin talents.

Combination and team building wise, 3 pacers and 3 spinners was pak's best strategy.

A trio of Sajid, Abrar and One more can really do wonders for pakistan. Noman is too old and Agha needs to brush up on his spin skills. He's getting better as he was top tier against sa, but he needs to improve still.
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Saim ayub and Agha can be handy part timers to support a full time spinner like Sajid
 
mominsaigol said:
Imo, Pakistan was at its absolute best (bowling wise, not batting) during 2011-2016.

Don't get me wrong, 1990 Pakistan is top tier but that's because they were relying in generational pace and spin talents.

Combination and team building wise, 3 pacers and 3 spinners was pak's best strategy.

A trio of Sajid, Abrar and One more can really do wonders for pakistan. Noman is too old and Agha needs to brush up on his spin skills. He's getting better as he was top tier against sa, but he needs to improve still.
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We had good spin all rounders then so it added balance. Nowadays we don't have any all rounders in LOI sadly
 
mominsaigol said:
Sajid should seriously play all formats? This guy is a proper no 8 for pakistan. Solid spinner and good no 8 batter.

Pakistan need to go back to their old strategy back when we had the ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez trio aka 3 pacers + 3 spinners.
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This is 100% my thinking too. I know the tracks are flat and white ball is different sport but he must be tried as he's a pretty decent all-round package. Also someone who is willing to fight which is an extra advantage.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It's too much. Coach, captain and even selection committee were helping in pitch preparation.

Pakistan test cricket needed a boost so it's an ok short term solution but we should be honest and say it's crap cricket overall.
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India is master at the doctoring. Otherwise they are pathetic team. I m glad Pakistan is learning this art from them.
 
followed said:
Pretty dumb by that ramiz raja and others to not prepare these kinds of wickets before.
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Ahmed216 said:
It's not about who won. It's about the practice of doctoring pitches
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Yup! Pakistan should be a loving kind host and care about its guests more.
We feel bad for WI here. We should not make pitches that give us an advantage. Let the world do whatever it wants.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sajid should seriously play all formats? This guy is a proper no 8 for pakistan. Solid spinner and good no 8 batter.

Pakistan need to go back to their old strategy back when we had the ajmal, Afridi, Hafeez trio aka 3 pacers + 3 spinners.
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Bro if pak wants to retain ct sajid is must he is world class dare i say will be greatest pak off spinner.
 
followed said:
In your country even a batsman can roll his arm and pick up a fifer. LOL
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you are the one crying non stop about INdian pitches where fast bowlers take wickets. Here all wicekts to spinners lol It has never happened in India. India occasionally makes these pitches because INdia has pace attack that averages 16, 20 at home.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It's too much. Coach, captain and even selection committee were helping in pitch preparation.

Pakistan test cricket needed a boost so it's an ok short term solution but we should be honest and say it's crap cricket overall.
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Why is this crap cricket overall?
 
daytrader said:
Saim ayub and Agha can be handy part timers to support a full time spinner like Sajid
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Agha yes. Saim needs to improve. So far he's only bullied SA tailenders or lower order with spin. The top order has negotiated him well.

Atm he's just a part timer, not a proper spinner like hafeez and afridi were.

Agha can transition into it cause he's an allrounder. Saim is most likely gonna remain an opening batter who can bowl 1 to 3 overs of spin.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It's too much. Coach, captain and even selection committee were helping in pitch preparation.

Pakistan test cricket needed a boost so it's an ok short term solution but we should be honest and say it's crap cricket overall.
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To be fair, this is way better than what Pakistani home tests have been like in the past. Absolute highways where no one can win.
 
mominsaigol said:
Agha yes. Saim needs to improve. So far he's only bullied SA tailenders or lower order with spin. The top order has negotiated him well.

Atm he's just a part timer, not a proper spinner like hafeez and afridi were.

Agha can transition into it cause he's an allrounder. Saim is most likely gonna remain an opening batter who can bowl 1 to 3 overs of spin.
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Afridi started off as a bowler who could bat abit and I think it was the same case with hafeez. Agha I think is batsmen who can bowl abit
 
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