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Pakistan trail by 2 runs in their second innings, finishing Day 2 of the First Test against South Africa at 88/3

Abid Z said:
Because in Odi even a bad ball can get you wickets and there is a massive difference bowling 10 overs and bowling 20 in a day. In Odi going at 4 rpo is ok. In tests 4rpo is rubbish. You are just handing the initiative to opposition.

I’m not saying Abbas, Jamal, Naseem are bowling well. They are awful
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The economy argument doesn’t apply to the enforcer role—you’re looking at this from too high-level a perspective.

Rauf’s success in Australia came from consistently hitting a good length at 145 kph, delivering sharp short balls, and getting some to straighten. If he can replicate that exact skillset in Test cricket—nothing more, nothing less—he’ll be effective.

As for workload, 10 overs a day at the same pace as ODIs is perfectly fine for this role. Players like Abbas and Nauman can handle the workhorse duties.
 
So far not super impressed with Aamer Jamal. His line and length seems a bit off - trying to bowl like he's in an ODI.
 
m.shah said:
Bowling looks toothless
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How To Train Your Dragon's Live-Action Toothless Design Eases A Major Concern
 
Ali T said:
So far not super impressed with Aamer Jamal. His line and length seems a bit off - trying to bowl like he's in an ODI.
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Jamal is a nothing bowler they were looking for so called bowler who cud bat and decided to pick him
 
Farabi said:
The idea that success in ODIs doesn’t translate to Tests is an oversimplification. ODI bowling, in particular, shares many similarities with Test cricket. Countless players have started in ODIs, impressed, and gone on to have great Test careers.

Rauf has the skills, regardless of his lack of extensive first-class experience. You’re right that FC experience should be a pre requisite. But you cannot become one dimensional in your thought process. There isn’t any bowler in FC whose express.

He’s already proven himself in ODIs and thrives in helpful conditions. I’d rather he plays where he thrives than play mindless T20s where he tends to lose the plot.

Age is irrelevant—look at South Africa’s debutants who bowled out Pakistan; they were 31 and 35. At the end of the day, it’s the skills that matter, not the fluff.
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Paterson (166 FC matches)
Bosch (34 FC matches)

Age and lack of FC experience. It's a double whammy. There is no overcoming that.
 
DTrump said:
Paterson (166 FC matches)
Bosch (34 FC matches)

Age and lack of FC experience. It's a double whammy. There is no overcoming that.
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I know they both have FC experience. It’s okay man. You’re not gonna get it!
 
Really mediocre mindset guy is Naseem

Anything hits the pads and he’s screaming like it’s a plumb lbw

Anyone who plays a shot against him and he screams catch it.

You expect this stuff from 10 year olds in playgrounds. Guy is playing his 20th Test match and still hasn’t matured mentally
 
They are expecting reverse but it isn't there. That's the only logic behind Naseem constantly bowling full on a pitch where that length has gotten hammered
 
Rana said:
Really mediocre mindset guy is Naseem

Anything hits the pads and he’s screaming like it’s a plumb lbw

Anyone who plays a shot against him and he screams catch it.

You expect this stuff from 10 year olds in playgrounds. Guy is playing his 20th Test match and still hasn’t matured mentally
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Hes only 21 🤣

Real talk he needs to spend time in FC if he wants to become a proper test bowler. He's OK for t20's and just about for odi's
 
emranabbas said:
Hes only 21 🤣

Real talk he needs to spend time in FC if he wants to become a proper test bowler. He's OK for t20's and just about for odi's
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Well he’s had to do a lot of forced growing up since his debut but 20 Tests is a lot of cricket. Its enough to mentally and psychologically mature an individual. I just don’t see it in this guy
 
Rana said:
Really mediocre mindset guy is Naseem

Anything hits the pads and he’s screaming like it’s a plumb lbw

Anyone who plays a shot against him and he screams catch it.

You expect this stuff from 10 year olds in playgrounds. Guy is playing his 20th Test match and still hasn’t matured mentally
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He hasn’t improved a lot
 
Since there is no accountability so performance doesn't matter for our players.
 
Pakistan is back in the match with this wicket .

Very loose shot from Bedingham.
 
“They’ve become a bit vocal too with vereynne”

It still feels like a library out there in the field. Can’t hear anything. What’s Haysman on about?
 
I think Pakistan needs to go back to drawing board for overseas tests.

No issues at home with Noman, Sajid, Salman backed up by Khurram and Jamal.

Khurram is by far their best bowler overseas even in the presence of Afridi and Naseem Shah.

Pakistan are 2 quality fast bowlers short with Khurram and 4th seamer Jamal. Afridi, Naseem, Abbas, Hamzah, Mohd Ali are not the answer.

May be blood 2 or 3 U25s from domestics with pace.
 
Day 2: Lunch Break - South Africa trail by 31 runs
PAK 211
RSA 180/5 (46) CRR: 3.91
 
Farabi said:
The economy argument doesn’t apply to the enforcer role—you’re looking at this from too high-level a perspective.

Rauf’s success in Australia came from consistently hitting a good length at 145 kph, delivering sharp short balls, and getting some to straighten. If he can replicate that exact skillset in Test cricket—nothing more, nothing less—he’ll be effective.

As for workload, 10 overs a day at the same pace as ODIs is perfectly fine for this role. Players like Abbas and Nauman can handle the workhorse duties.
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Oh I thought we were discussing SSA. Rauf may or may not be good in tests. He hasn’t declared availability and in all likelihood he’s another Wahab and Sami. Spraying it around at 90mph no more.

What we need in tests is control and accuracy. Philander at 77mph was more effective than nanti Hayward.

Shohaib Akthar was an enforcer because he could bowl 93-94mph consistently. 10 overs from him were effective. Harris simply isn’t.
 
gazza619 said:
Even if SA gets a lead of 50, it is not game over yet.
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A lead of 50+ Runs will make South Africa huge favourites but i don't think they can add another 80 runs from here .

Max they can add another 50 runs which is not bad for pakistan considering South Africa is going to bat last.

:kp
 
emranabbas said:
For a team like Pakistan so far we have not done bad in this test
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Pakistan were probably 70 runs short to apply some pressure on SA batting line up, and captaincy has been poor in terms of bowling changes, unless Khurram had some niggles. Also Jamal should have bowled more than Naseem, he has not done bad so far in his career as 4th seamer. I would also try spin as SA play pacers better than spinners, who knows how this pitch may support our spinners.
 
Abid Z said:
Oh I thought we were discussing SSA. Rauf may or may not be good in tests. He hasn’t declared availability and in all likelihood he’s another Wahab and Sami. Spraying it around at 90mph no more.

What we need in tests is control and accuracy. Philander at 77mph was more effective than nanti Hayward.

Shohaib Akthar was an enforcer because he could bowl 93-94mph consistently. 10 overs from him were effective. Harris simply isn’t.
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Rauf doesn't play FC and hasn't got the drive or desire to do it.
 
PakPremi said:
Pakistan were probably 70 runs short to apply some pressure on SA batting line up, and captaincy has been poor in terms of bowling changes, unless Khurram had some niggles. Also Jamal should have bowled more than Naseem, he has not done bad so far in his career as 4th seamer. I would also try spin as SA play pacers better than spinners, who knows how this pitch may support our spinners.
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Captaincy hasn't been all that great, we should have tried spin yesterday, I don't think the SA batsmen will be too comfortable with spin. Still not too late.
 
The least the bowlers should have done is maintain pressure by bowling good channels. The pitch will do the rest. Wayward and loose bowling lucky wickets but all count.
 
Abid Z said:
Oh I thought we were discussing SSA. Rauf may or may not be good in tests. He hasn’t declared availability and in all likelihood he’s another Wahab and Sami. Spraying it around at 90mph no more.

What we need in tests is control and accuracy. Philander at 77mph was more effective than nanti Hayward.

Shohaib Akthar was an enforcer because he could bowl 93-94mph consistently. 10 overs from him were effective. Harris simply isn’t.
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You need both. You need different players cut for different roles as you need variety in the attack as well.
An enforcer role doesn’t necessarily have to be 93 MPH. 88/89 is enough.
Need to have a hard length ball and good short ball, and 1 that straightens. He has all 3. Like I said, if he can replicate exactly what he did skill wise in Aus ODI series, he would be a handful in tests
 
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