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Pakistan v England | 1st Test | Abu Dhabi | Oct 13-17 | Day 1

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Well played Hafeez, y'all are being too harsh. Granted that was a horrible shot and pretty inconvenient time.
 
the Great Khan said:
will be a walking wicket in england..
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Anyone will be walking wicket in swing condition including Younus Khan, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzimam. 2006 was the flat bounce. There hasn't been batsman born who can play swing condition, not even Amla and Kallis. In this year, the whole Australia including Michael Clark in England. That was expected. No one can play in swing condition. But a year before England, he did score fifty in Australia which shows he is capable of playing in flat bounce.
 
That's what happen when you play defensively looking for a hundred.
 
I would've preferred Hafeez out on 100 and Shan out for 0, rather than 98 and 2 respectively lol. Give the lad his stat, he earned it today.
 
dashing_man said:
a recipe to fail :facepalm:

you people want to repeat the mistake that was made for Malik
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He opens in FC, and Malik is doing fine at 3 today. Azhar has to open b/c it won't be fair to drop Malik & Hafeez after today while YK, Misbah, Shafiq, Sarfraz are fixtures in the XI.
 
Ahson8 said:
He opens in FC, and Malik is doing fine at 3 today. Azhar has to open b/c it won't be fair to drop Malik & Hafeez after today while YK, Misbah, Shafiq, Sarfraz are fixtures in the XI.
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I don't get why it's difficult for him to understand that Azhar Ali has been opening his whole domestic career.
 
Ahson8 said:
He opens in FC, and Malik is doing fine at 3 today. Azhar has to open b/c it won't be fair to drop Malik & Hafeez after today while YK, Misbah, Shafiq, Sarfraz are fixtures in the XI.
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Azhar should be opening in any case. His game screams opener, and he's the best new ball batsman in the country. Can't believe the likes of Shan and Shehzad are considered openers, while Azhar isn't.
 
Fallen King said:
Anyone will be walking wicket in swing condition including Younus Khan, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzimam. 2006 was the flat bounce. There hasn't been batsman born who can play swing condition, not even Amla and Kallis. In this year, the whole Australia including Michael Clark in England. That was expected. No one can play in swing condition. But a year before England, he did score fifty in Australia which shows he is capable of playing in flat bounce.
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he wont do anything in england..even on a decent pitch..
 
the Great Khan said:
he wont do anything in england..even on a decent pitch..
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He already has. He showed little glimpse in capable of handling swing okay by scoring 38 runs in the cloudy condition of the first test against England, 2010. That being said, anyone can struggle in the swing condition, yet the selective expectation. :sanga
 
Fallen King said:
He already has. He showed little glimpse in capable of handling swing okay by scoring 38 runs in the cloudy condition of the first test against England, 2010. That being said, anyone can struggle in the swing condition, yet the selective expectation. :sanga
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test cricket isnt masala cricket..he plays to far away from his body and will be out giving catching practice in the slips..it wont need to swing massively..just move a bit and a bit of bounce..
 
dashing_man said:
Misbah said he will think about thinking about retirement :jf
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He was supposed to resign at the end of the year if India agreed to play Pakistan in UAE. Misbah is already 41 years old, and hint has been given to indicate his time is up now.
 
Hafeez crapping his pants in the 90's as usual. :facepalm:

Slept for an hour and missed it though.
 
England can get 3 4 wickets in this session and get right back in the game. There will be some reverse swing on offer.
 
Mamoon said:
Hafeez crapping his pants in the 90's as usual. :facepalm:

Slept for an hour and missed it though.
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Don't think that's fair really. He got to 90 with a boundary and the very next ball came down the pitch and lofted one down the ground......not exactly "crapping his pants".
 
the Great Khan said:
test cricket isnt masala cricket..he plays to far away from his body and will be out giving catching practice in the slips..it wont need to swing massively..just move a bit and a bit of bounce..
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If that was the case, he wouldn't be successful in scoring fifty runs against Australia at the year of 2009. Otherwise, he was set to score for century if it wasn't for the collapse. :facepalm:
 
"Mohammad Hafeez has been dismissed in nervous 90s three times while nervous 190s two times. 95 v Eng in 2006 196 v SL in 2012 197 v NZ in 2014 96 v NZ in 2014 98 v Eng in 2015"
 
Younis when set will not get out. England need to get him out if they want any chance.
 
t_kaay said:
Don't think that's fair really. He got to 90 with a boundary and the very next ball came down the pitch and lofted one down the ground......not exactly "crapping his pants".
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He was stuck on 98 for a generation, and he has been dismissed in the 90s thrice and 190s twice.

Not to forget getting out in the 80s thrice in ODIs in the last few months. He melts like butter when he gets close to milestones.
 
Younis is an ordinary batsman against all types of bowling except spin.
 
Lol stokes shut up and bowl. Just cuz you cant get us out doesnt mean you start talking to our players like that. Theres something called sledging but going up to the batsman and saying stuff is messed up. Younis doesnt look easy against pace in the beginning of his innings
 
Fallen King said:
Anyone will be walking wicket in swing condition including Younus Khan, Mohammad Yousuf and Inzimam. 2006 was the flat bounce. There hasn't been batsman born who can play swing condition, not even Amla and Kallis. In this year, the whole Australia including Michael Clark in England. That was expected. No one can play in swing condition. But a year before England, he did score fifty in Australia which shows he is capable of playing in flat bounce.
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You truly have gone bonkers due to your love for Malik. Yousuf, Inzi, Amla, Kallis and Clarke, during his peak, were/are all good to great players of swing bowling. There are countless examples available but instead of looking at individual innings, go check their records in places like England, South Africa and New Zealand.
 
Mamoon said:
Younis is an ordinary batsman against all types of bowling except spin.
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Still a great test bat. Simply because he knows his weakness against place. Also why he has been so bad in odis because you need to score freely against pace
 
Sick of this "xyz player won't last outside Asia" argument. Let's reserve our judgements when we actually play abroad. Considering the amount of tours we get away from Asia, does it even matter?
 
Mamoon said:
Younis is an ordinary batsman against all types of bowling except spin.
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How many types of bowling are there if you classify all spin bowling as merely "spin"?

And no, he's good against pace bowling. You don't get the numbers he has at #3 by being an ordinary batsman against pace, nor do you average 50+ in England and 40+ in Australia by being ordinary against pace.

Most batsmen are vulnerable at the start of their innings, heck I'm pretty sure ALL batsmen are.
 
Younis looking very shaky early on. Always starts like a tailender.


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Mamoon said:
Jumps around like an amateur. What's the use of all this experience when you still chicken out against pace after all these years.
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Younis hitting 40 his reflexes have slowed down a lot


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Mamoon said:
He was stuck on 98 for a generation, and he has been dismissed in the 90s thrice and 190s twice.

Not to forget getting out in the 80s thrice in ODIs in the last few months. He melts like butter when he gets close to milestones.
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I wasn't referring to his record, I was stating that your statement about how he was "crapping his pants" was unfair. Even more so as by your admission you were sleeping for an hour and didn't even see it. He was stuck on 98 due to tight bowling maybe?
 
aliasad1998 said:
Actually he plays well outside asia despite his weakness vs pace. Bad odi bat but he is a very good test batsman
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Yes, I know about all his stats. But I'm talking about the current YK playing overseas, I don't see he's gonna last more than 20-30 balls. In Australia there is bounce, England the ball swings forever and NZ is similar.
 
Bilal7 said:
How many types of bowling are there if you classify all spin bowling as merely "spin"?

And no, he's good against pace bowling. You don't get the numbers he has at #3 by being an ordinary batsman against pace, nor do you average 50+ in England and 40+ in Australia by being ordinary against pace.

Most batsmen are vulnerable at the start of their innings, heck I'm pretty sure ALL batsmen are.
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You need to revisit those runs. It didn't come in swinging conditions; in fact, 2006 was a very batting friendly summer in the UK, and the weather was quite dry. I was there pretty much the entire summer.

and in Australia, he has failed to score a hundred. He is not an accomplished player of pace and that's why he ranks below his peers like Sangakkara, Amla bhai, de Villiers and even Clarke.

Ultimately his legacy is of a Test batsman who wasn't even in the top 3/4 of his generation.
 
You is is doing well to get set. He looks awkward but once he gets set im sure hell score big..
 
Bilal7 said:
How many types of bowling are there if you classify all spin bowling as merely "spin"?

And no, he's good against pace bowling. You don't get the numbers he has at #3 by being an ordinary batsman against pace, nor do you average 50+ in England and 40+ in Australia by being ordinary against pace.

Most batsmen are vulnerable at the start of their innings, heck I'm pretty sure ALL batsmen are.
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He can survive pace in his own way, but he lacks the ability to assert dominance over a pacer, and he can't 'strike back' after getting beaten. There's a reason he's an ODI TTF.
 
Younis is fast approaching ATG levels. Will end up as our best batsman, alongside Miandad. Cherish him while you can.
 
Younis is not weak against pace. The guy batted at number 3 for most part of his career. :facepalm:
 
hussain.r97 said:
Somehow survives everything, but looks so awkward. There's a reason he's not up there with the greatest.
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He is not in the class of the four best Test batsmen of his generation - Sangakkara, Amla bhai, Pietersen and de Villiers. His comparison with Clarke is debatable as well, that is why he is not counted among the greats.
 
Red Devil said:
Younis is not weak against pace. The guy batted at number 3 for most part of his career. :facepalm:
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Well Hafeez has opened all his career but it does not mean he can play swing. Compared to the best batsmen of his generation, Younis is nowhere near th
 
England making a mistake by brining spinner early on in younis' innings.. They need to go full out pace against him. Good shot for 4
 
younis will always struggle early on, but if he gets set, he makes you pay.
 
Red Devil said:
Younis is not weak against pace. The guy batted at number 3 for most part of his career. :facepalm:
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Hafeez has also opened all his career but that does not mean he is good against the new ball. Younis is comfortably below the great batsmen of his generation against pace. Lacks the ability to dominate them, he's in survival-mode all the time.
 
Mamoon said:
Well Hafeez has opened all his career but it does not mean he can play swing. Compared to the best batsmen of his generation, Younis is nowhere near th
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Younis averages 54 .. Hafeez in the 30s.
What a strange strange argument
 
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