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Pakistan v England | 1st Test | Abu Dhabi | Oct 13-17 | Day 1

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Mamoon said:
Well Hafeez has opened all his career but it does not mean he can play swing. Compared to the best batsmen of his generation, Younis is nowhere near th
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A bit of Exaggeration... I think hes in the top 5 test batsmen in the world currently esp after sangas retirement. Although as i hate his his off field antics and the fact that he played more than 50 odis..
 
Mamoon said:
He is not in the class of the four best Test batsmen of his generation - Sangakkara, Amla bhai, Pietersen and de Villiers. His comparison with Clarke is debatable as well, that is why he is not counted among the greats.
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Younis is definately 2nd, or maybe 3rd tier.

As a test bat, he can be compared to Clarke due to his superior ability against spin. Yes, Clarke was technically a very good player of spin, but he never lived up to his potential. However, overall Clarke was much better simply down to the fact that he was a very good ODI batsman in his day.
 
Younis and Malik at the crease, feels like we've gone back to the nineties......just need Wasim and Waqar in the lineup and it will be back to the good days
 
wasimjunior said:
Younis averages 54 .. Hafeez in the 30s.
What a strange strange argument
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It is not a comparison between the two. The assessment that he has played at three all his career = good player of pace is not correct.

Your batting position doesn't say much about your ability to handle a particular type of bowling.

Someone who hasn't watched Hafeez play will see an average of 40 as an opener and will think that he can handle the new ball, similarly, Younis' record doesn't reveal the fact that he is a mediocre batsman against fast bowling.
 
Mamoon said:
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Younis is nowhere near their ability to play pace***

Sorry for the typo.
 
Mamoon said:
He is not in the class of the four best Test batsmen of his generation - Sangakkara, Amla bhai, Pietersen and de Villiers. His comparison with Clarke is debatable as well, that is why he is not counted among the greats.
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KP Is too inconsistent to be in the same group as Sanga Amla and AB.


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aliasad1998 said:
A bit of Exaggeration... I think hes in the top 5 test batsmen in the world currently esp after sangas retirement. Although as i hate his his off field antics and the fact that he played more than 50 odis..
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Being in the current top 5 isn't a huge achievement, nobody is settled yet, and most of the best are youngsters. Younis is a borderline case too.

Williamson, Smith, Amla, Younis, Kohli, Root, etc are all candidates, and Younis would be towards the lower end.
 
Younis will be a sitting duck in England next year.


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I could care less how Younis looks. He goes out there and gets the job done.

Runs everywhere, against all kinds of bowling while batting at three for a large part of his career.(Averages over 50 at that position)

Yet he is not good against pace. :facepalm:
 
Bilal7 said:
You truly have gone bonkers due to your love for Malik. Yousuf, Inzi, Amla, Kallis and Clarke, during his peak, were/are all good to great players of swing bowling. There are countless examples available but instead of looking at individual innings, go check their records in places like England, South Africa and New Zealand.
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Yes, they were great, but no one was able to perform in the swing conditions in the history of International level. Sometimes, yes, but not consistently.

Watch your language. If you wanna carry on using the language like this, have fun debating with yourself.
 
Adil_94 said:
KP Is too inconsistent to be in the same group as Sanga Amla and AB.


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In Test cricket, Sangakkara is the best of his generation, but Amla bhai is in his class. After that it's Pietersen and then de Villiers, Clarke and Younis.

It is a reflection of their overall careers not just peaks - Except Younis, all of them at some point in their careers have been the best Test batsman around.
 
Geordie Ahmed said:
I meant in terms of the review, Malik should have told him he was out and not to waste a review
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Ah, yeah you're right about that. It looked pretty straight but I don't think there was any chance of Hafeez not reviewing it so close to a hundred.
 
Arsal_AK said:
I could care less how Younis looks. He goes out there and gets the job done.

Runs everywhere, against all kinds of bowling while batting at three for a large part of his career.(Averages over 50 at that position)

Yet he is not good against pace. :facepalm:
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Of course it does not matter, but he is good at surviving against pace but cannot dominate and play shots like his peers. It is not a problem to accept that he is not a good player of pace, most batsmen have their weaknesses.

Ponting wasn't great against spin but he is still an ATG.
 
Mamoon said:
In Test cricket, Sangakkara is the best of his generation, but Amla bhai is in his class. After that it's Pietersen and then de Villiers, Clarke and Younis.

It is a reflection of their overall careers not just peaks - Except Younis, all of them at some point in their careers have been the best Test batsman around.
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AB will surely overtake KP now.


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hussain.r97 said:
He can survive pace in his own way, but he lacks the ability to assert dominance over a pacer, and he can't 'strike back' after getting beaten. There's a reason he's an ODI TTF.
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Dravid never dominated the pacers either, neither did Kallis or Gavasker. He more than makes up for it by eating the opposing spinners alive.

Mamoon said:
You need to revisit those runs. It didn't come in swinging conditions; in fact, 2006 was a very batting friendly summer in the UK, and the weather was quite dry. I was there pretty much the entire summer.

and in Australia, he has failed to score a hundred. He is not an accomplished player of pace and that's why he ranks below his peers like Sangakkara, Amla bhai, de Villiers and even Clarke.

Ultimately his legacy is of a Test batsman who wasn't even in the top 3/4 of his generation.
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You are kidding yourself if you believe that Clarke features anywhere near Younis or any of the other bats you mentioned. He was a HTB who couldn't even end his career with an average of 50+. Not a great batsman.

Being the third/fourth best batsman of his era is nothing to be ashamed of. Dravid was fourth best of his era, Miandad was probably third or fourth best too.

I don't recall how the conditions were during our 2006 series but Younis can only score on the pitches that he's given. He's done superbly in England, was good in Australia and recently scored a century against Steyn and co in South Africa.
 
Not sure about giving Ali a bowl at younis.
Spin is about the only type of bowling he can score at these days....and part timers
 
Azhar and Asad can get close but they need a great peak. 2-3 years of 60+ average.

Next 3-4 years should be interesting.
 
Mamoon said:
In Test cricket, Sangakkara is the best of his generation, but Amla bhai is in his class. After that it's Pietersen and then de Villiers, Clarke and Younis.

It is a reflection of their overall careers not just peaks - Except Younis, all of them at some point in their careers have been the best Test batsman around.
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Amla and de Villiers are the best test batsmen of this era. Sanga bullied the minnows too much and his record outside the subcontinent left a lot to be desired.

Younis comes fourth, ahead of also-rans like Clarke, Pietersen and Cook.
 
Mamoon said:
Azhar and Asad can get close but they need a great peak. 2-3 years of 60+ average.

Next 3-4 years should be interesting.
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Babar can because of his age. Plus hes already a better batsman that shehzad. Babar can honestly get 10k+ also haris because of his tendency to score in every game. No doubt its close between these 4
 
Bilal7 said:
Amla and de Villiers are the best test batsmen of this era. Sanga bullied the minnows too much and his record outside the subcontinent left a lot to be desired.

Younis comes fourth, ahead of also-rans like Clarke, Pietersen and Cook.
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Cannot see anyone placing YK over kp and Clarke. And cook by the time he is done will be above them all
 
Bilal7 said:
Dravid never dominated the pacers either, neither did Kallis or Gavasker. He more than makes up for it by eating the opposing spinners alive.



You are kidding yourself if you believe that Clarke features anywhere near Younis or any of the other bats you mentioned. He was a HTB who couldn't even end his career with an average of 50+. Not a great batsman.

Being the third/fourth best batsman of his era is nothing to be ashamed of. Dravid was fourth best of his era, Miandad was probably third or fourth best too.

I don't recall how the conditions were during our 2006 series but Younis can only score on the pitches that he's given. He's done superbly in England, was good in Australia and recently scored a century against Steyn and co in South Africa.
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Clarke's career was cut short due to his back problem. His career hasn't been much different. The notion that Clarke was a HTB is a total myth, and he was a much better player of pace and swing.

In South Africa he needed a dry wicket to score a hundred. Failed in the two other Tests with pace and bounce.

Dravid and Miandad have faced better pacers. Younis would have been a tailender against the pacers of 70's and 80's, while his comparison with Dravid is legit but the Indian Wall has the edge no doubt, but he is overrated by Pakistanis who don't want to acknowledge Tendulkar's greatness.
 
Mamoon said:
Hafeez has also opened all his career but that does not mean he is good against the new ball. Younis is comfortably below the great batsmen of his generation against pace. Lacks the ability to dominate them, he's in survival-mode all the time.
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Yeah, but can you really call him weak against pace? He might not dominate pace bowlers but he's fairly comfortable against them. He's simply phenomenal against spin but that doesn't mean he has to be equally good against pace too.

Its ludicrous to call someone weak against pace when he averages above 50 at number 3. :))
 
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aliasad1998 said:
Babar can because of his age. Plus hes already a better batsman that shehzad. Babar can honestly get 10k+ also haris because of his tendency to score in every game. No doubt its close between these 4
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What has Babar done in the FC level remotely to suggest that he can surpass Younis? He has been good in List A that's it.

Actual realisation is better than perceived potential he has not shown consistency in his FC career so far he has been out for a duck in the qualifying match going on.

Come on people hold your horses people thought Umar Akmal would be the next big thing he is not even in the team.
 
Bilal7 said:
Amla and de Villiers are the best test batsmen of this era. Sanga bullied the minnows too much and his record outside the subcontinent left a lot to be desired.

Younis comes fourth, ahead of also-rans like Clarke, Pietersen and Cook.
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Sangakkara is the number one Test batsman of the last 7-8 years. period.
 
Pete Rose said:
Cannot see anyone placing YK over kp and Clarke. And cook by the time he is done will be above them all
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You clearly haven't visited the Younis vs KP thread. Clarke doesn't even feature in the discussion, like I said. His numbers do not hold up to the other great batsmen of this era and he doesn't have the flash of de Villiers or KP to make up for it.
 
I expect a few more nauseating me me me type interviews end of play today.
 
Red Devil said:
Yeah, but can you really call him weak against pace? He might not dominate pace bowlers but he's fairly comfortable against them. He's simply phenomenal against spin but that doesn't mean he has to be equally good against pace too.

Its ludicrous to call someone weak against pace when he averages above 50 at number 3. :))
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I won't say he is comfortable; he is always in survival mode and cannot dominate them. That is not reflect in his averages.

He cannot be considered a quality player of fast bowling.
 
Bilal7 said:
You clearly haven't visited the Younis vs KP thread. Clarke doesn't even feature in the discussion, like I said. His numbers do not hold up to the other great batsmen of this era and he doesn't have the flash of de Villiers or KP to make up for it.
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Don't need the numbers. They are a guide but not definitive. YK competes with chanderpal at best
 
Red Devil said:
Yeah, but can you really call him weak against pace? He might not dominate pace bowlers but he's fairly comfortable against them. He's simply phenomenal against spin but that doesn't mean he has to equally good against pace too.

Its ludicrous to call someone weak against pace when he averages above 50 at number 3. :))
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One question. When you see Younis Khan playing pace, falling over, getting beaten, does he inspire confidence?

Yes, he has his own way of handling pace, and it works for him, but there is no way he can be mentioned alongside the greats of his time when it comes to ability against pace. Of course, he's an ATG player of spin, but that's it.
 
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Cricket lover 27 said:
What has Babar done in the FC level remotely to suggest that he can surpass Younis? He has been good in List A that's it.

Actual realisation is better than perceived potential he has not shown consistency in his FC career so far he has been out for a duck in the qualifying match going on.

Come on people hold your horses people thought Umar Akmal would be the next big thing he is not even in the team.
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Ok tell me what have azhar ali and shafiq done in first class. Both only have good list a stats
 
There is a reason YK is pants on odi's. In his short stint so far, the runs are coming most against spin. Nothing wrong with that: he is a good player with a decent enough defense to keep the pacers out and cash in against spinners
 
Mamoon said:
Younis destroying Moeen bhai, sad day for the Ummah.
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Younis has been good in Test cricket because he realises his limitations if he cannot play pace he does not get out to them either that's why we can all rave about Umar Akmal's ability to play pace and be dominant in overseas but to succeed you need to have a brain and if you do not have it you unfortunately can't cut it.

He has played within his limitations so well which none of our other good Batsmen were able to do.
 
Regarding the ability to play pacers with such ease on flat bounce, only Mohammad Yousuf was the world-class batsman able to do so, from the perspective of Pakistan cricket.
 
MRSN said:
sir, delusions have no limits. He is Misbah fan after all.:asadrauf

Sanga is miles ahead of YK as well.
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Comparing Younis with Sangakkara is a joke, and an intellectual assault when you bring in ODIs.
 
Cricket lover 27 said:
Younis has been good in Test cricket because he realises his limitations if he cannot play pace he does not get out to them either that's why we can all rave about Umar Akmal's ability to play pace and be dominant in overseas but to succeed you need to have a brain and if you do not have it you unfortunately can't cut it.

He has played within his limitations so well which none of our other good Batsmen were able to do.
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Agree
 
YK is above Clarke and Pietersen in my opinion. It's very close no doubt and maybe my bias is helping me swing that way but I do believe it as well deep down. A real match winner at Tests was Younis, always got important runs not just easy ones.

But below Sanga.
 
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